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Illegally from a supplier operating out of this driving school in london. Its my understanding that there was a paperwork issue. The proper forms werent filled out. Whitaker was it used in the execution of mr. Landrigan . Yes. Whitaker this office, the state of arizona, knew or should have known that it was illegal to import these drugs . Bill, i was not the attorney general when that happened. Whitaker yeah, but this. And i dont want to use that as an excuse, because i think theres a broader. Whitaker but if this office is. This is the top legal office. Right. Anderson cooper danny clinch has photographed just about every heavyweight in the music world rappers, rockers, country stars, jazz and pop artists. Hes developed friendships with many of his subjects, Bruce Springsteen included. Which gets him up close and personal access. How you doing . How are you . Good. Cooper clinch has documented the history of american music. And hes always looking for the next shot. 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Leslie stahl charlie and carol gasko were an elderly couple who moved to santa monica, california sometime in early 1997 to begin a new phase of their life. For the next 14 years, they did almost nothing that was memorable. And they would be of absolutely no interest if it werent for the fact that Charlie Gasko turned out to be james Whitey Bulger, the notorious boston gangster and longtime fugitive who is now in prison serving two lifetime sentences. Carol gasko was actually Catherine Greig, whiteys longtime girlfriend and caregiver. As steve kroft first reported in 2013, the story of how they managed to elude an International Manhunt for so long while hiding in plain sight is interesting. And tonight, you will hear about it from the gaskos neighbors and from the federal agents who finally unraveled the case, with the help of a boob job and an alley cat. Steve kroft if youre forced into retirement, with a comfortable nest egg and a desire to be left completely alone, there is no better place than santa monica, california. This lowkey seaside suburb of l. A. Is shared by transients and tourists, hippies and hedonists, celebrities and lots of Senior Citizens attracted to the climate and an abundance of inexpensive, rentcontrolled apartments just a few blocks from the ocean. Places like the princess eugenia on third street, which is where charlie and carol gasko, a childless couple from chicago, lived for 14 years without attracting much attention from longtime neighbors or landlords. Josh bond is the building manager. What were they like . Josh bond they were, like, the nice retired old couple that lived in the apartment next to me. Kroft good tenants . Bond excellent tenants. Never complained, always paid rent on time. Kroft in cash . Bond in cash. Kroft Janus Goodwin lived down the hall. Janus goodwin they had nothing. And they never went out. They never had food delivered. She never dressed nicely. Kroft you thought they were poor . Goodwin yes, without a doubt. Kroft the one thing everyone remembers about the gaskos is that they loved animals and always made a fuss over the ones in the neighborhood. Barbara gluck remembers that carol gasko always fed a stray cat after its owner had died. Barbara gluck she would, you know, pet it and be sweet to it, and then she would put a plate of food, like, out here. Kroft and what about Charlie Gasko . Gluck you know, he always had a hat on and dark glasses. I have to say it was mysterious to me, why a lovely woman like that was hanging out with that guy, that old, grumpy man. I never could figure that one out. Until i heard they had 800,000 something dollars in the wall. laughter and then i went, oh, okay, you know . Kroft money wasnt the only thing found in the gaskos apartment on june 22, 2011, when the fbi stopped by and ended what it called the most extensive manhunt in the bureaus history. Scott garriola weapons all over the apartment. I mean, weapons by his nightstand, weapons under the windowsill shotguns, mini rugers, rifles. Kroft what had started out as a routine day for special agent Scott Garriola, who was in charge of hunting fugitives in l. A. , would turn into one of the most interesting days of his career. After getting a call to stake out a building in santa monica, he notified his backup team with the l. A. P. D. Garriola i had four guys working that day, and i said, we got a tip on Whitey Bulger, and ill see you there in about an hour. And invariably the texts would return, whos Whitey Bulger . Kroft really . Garriola yeah, a few of them. So i had to remind them. Gently remind them who Whitey Bulger was. Kroft that he was number one of the fbis most wanted list. Garriola number. Number one. Number one, yeah. Big east coast figure, but. So, on the west coast, not so much. Imagine any cartel leader. Kroft the cops in l. A. Were focused on gangbangers and cartel members, not some retired irish mobster who hadnt been spotted in 16 years. But then, few mobsters have ever been as infamous in a city as Whitey Bulger was in boston, and his reputation was for more than just being grumpy. Besides extortion and flooding the city with cocaine, bulger routinely performed or ordered executions some at close range, some with a hail of bullets, and at least one by strangulation, after which, its said, he took a nap. Special agent rich teahan, who ran the fbis Whitey Bulger Fugitive Task force, had heard it all. Rich teahan bulger was charged with 19 counts of murder. He was charged with other crimes. He was a scourge to the society in south boston, his own community. Kroft he was also a scourge to the fbi, and a great source of embarrassment to teahan, special agent phil torsney, and others on the fbi task force. Years earlier, Whitey Bulger had infiltrated the Boston Office of the fbi and bought off agents, who protected him and plied him with information, including the tip that allowed bulger to flee just days before he was to be indicted. Phil torsney we really had to catch this guy to establish credibility after all the other issues. And it was just a matter of bringing this guy back to boston. Kroft torsney, whos now retired, and agent Tommy Macdonald joined the task force in 2009. The joke was bulger was on the fbis least wanted list. There hadnt been a credible lead in more than a decade. And their efforts in bulgers Old Neighborhood of south boston were met with mistrust and ridicule. Torsney some people, they told us right out front, you guys arent looking for that guy. People just made the assumption we had him stashed somewhere. I mean, people really thought that kind of thing. Tommy macdonald despite that mindset that were not going to help you, the fbi still got it done. Kroft took 16 years. Macdonald took 16 years. Yeah, this was not a typical fugitive. Kroft the fbi says bulger had planned his getaway years in advance, with money set aside and a fake identity for a thomas baxter. During his first two years on the lam, bulger was in touch with friends and family, shuttling between new york, chicago, and the resort town of grand isle, louisiana, where he rented a home until his identity was compromised. After that, it seemed as if bulger had disappeared from the face of the earth, except for the alleged sightings all over the world. How many of these tips do you think might have been true . Torsney boy, there was thousands and thousands of tips, and i think. I dont think any of them were true. Kroft one of the obstacles was, there were really no good photographs of bulger or his longtime livein girlfriend Catherine Greig, a former dental hygienist. The fbi often noted that the couple shared a love of animals, especially dogs and cats, and asked veterinarians to be on the lookout. There were reports that greig once had Breast Implants and other Plastic Surgery in boston, so the task force reached out to physicians. Eventually, they got a call from a dr. Matthias donelan, who had located her files in storage. Macdonald i was trying to leave the office a little early to catch one of my kids ballgames. And i said, well, listen, im going to swing by in the morning and pick those up. And they said to me, do you want the photos, too . And i said, you have photos . And they said, yeah, we have photos. I said, well be there in 15 minutes. Kroft the Breast Implant lead produced a treasure trove of highresolution Catherine Greig photographs that would help crack the case. The fbi decided to switch strategies, going after the girlfriend in order to catch the gangster. This is an announcement by the fbi. Kroft the fbi created this Public Service announcement. 60yearold greig is the girlfriend of 81yearold bulger. Kroft it ran it in 14 markets on daytime talk shows aimed at women. Call the tip line at 1800 callfbi. Kroft and it didnt take long. The very next morning, the bulger task force got three messages from someone that used to live in santa monica, and was 100 certain that charlie and carol gasko, apartment 303 at the princess eugenia apartments, were the people they were looking for. The descriptions and the age difference matched, and deputy u. S. Marshall neil sullivan, who handled the lead, said there was another piece of tantalizing information. Neil sullivan the tipster specifically described that they were caring for this cat and their love for this cat. So that was just one piece of the puzzle on the tip that just added up to saying, if this isnt them, its something we better check out immediately because it sure sounds like them. Kroft a search of the fbis computer database for the gaskos raised another red flag not for what it found, but for what it didnt. Sullivan basically, like, they were ghosts. Kroft no drivers license. Sullivan exactly. No drivers license, no california i. D. , like they didnt exist. Kroft thats the apartment. Garriola that corner on the third floor. Kroft on the righthand side . Garriola yep. Kroft by early afternoon, fbi agent Scott Garriola had set up a number of surveillance posts, and had already met with apartment manager josh bond to talk about his tenants. Bond he closed the door, threw down a folder and opened it up and said, are these the people that live in apartment 303 . Kroft did you say anything when you saw the pictures . Bond my initial reaction was, holy bleep . Kroft youre living next door to a gangster. Bond well, i still didnt really know who he was. Kroft but it didnt take him long to figure it out. While the fbi was mulling its options, bond logged on to bulgers wikipedia page. Bond and im just kind of scrolling down. Its like, oh, wow, this guys serious. Its, like, murders and extortion. And then, i get to the bottom and theres this. This thing. Its like, from one of his old, you know, people saying, well, the last time i saw him, he. He said, you know, when he goes out, hes. Hes going to have guns and hes going to be ready to take people with him. I was like, ooh, maybe i shouldnt be involved in this. laughs kroft bond told the fbi he wasnt going to knock on the gaskos door, because there was a note posted expressly asking people not to bother them. Carol had told the neighbors that charlie was showing signs of dementia. Garriola so we were back there. Kroft so, garriola devised a ruse involving the gaskos storage locker in the garage. Garriola it had the name gasko across it and apartment 303. Kroft he had the manager call to tell them that their locker had been broken into, and that he needed someone to come down to see if anything was missing. Carol gasko said her husband would be right down. Garriola we just rushed him. Kroft you mean guns out . Fbi, dont move garriola gave the words, hey, fbi. Get your hands up. Hands went up right away. And then, at that moment, we told him get down on his knees and he gave us. laughs yeah, he gave us a i aint getting down on my fing knees. Kroft didnt want to get his pants dirty. Garriola didnt want to get his pants dirty. You know, wearing white and seeing the oil on the ground, i guess he didnt want to get down in oil. Kroft even at 81, this was a man used to being in control. Garriola i asked him to identify himself and that didnt go over well. He asked me to fing identify myself, which i did. And i asked him, i said, are you Whitey Bulger . He said, yes. Just about that moment, someone catches my attention from a few feet away by the elevator shaft. Kroft it was Janus Goodwin from the third floor, coming to do her laundry. Goodwin and i said, excuse me. I think i can help you. This man has dementia, so if hes acting oddly, you know, that could be why. Garriola immediately, what flashed through my mind is, oh, my god, i just arrested an 81 yearold man with alzheimers who thinks hes Whitey Bulger. What is he going to tell me next, hes elvis . So i said, do me a favor. This woman over here says you have a touch of alzheimers, and he said, dont listen to her, shes fing nuts. He says, im james bulger. Kroft a few minutes later, he confirmed it, signing a consent form allowing the fbi to search his apartment. Garriola i did ask him, i said, hey, whitey, i said, arent you relieved that you dont have to look over your shoulder anymore and, you know, its come to an end . And he said, are you bleep nuts . Kroft but, in some ways, Whitey Bulger and Catherine Greig had already been prisoners in apartment 303, which appeared to be a mixture of the murderous and the mundane. Alongside the weapons and all the money, they had stockpiled a lifetime supply of cleansers, creams, and detergents. The fbi took special interest in a collection of 64ounce bottles with white socks stretched over the top. Garriola i said, hey whitey, what are these . Are these some kind of molotov cocktail youre making . He goes, no, he said, i buy tube socks from the 99 cent store, and theyre too tight on my calves and thats the way i stretch them out. I said, why you shopping at the 99 cent store . You have half a Million Dollars under your bed. He goes, i had to make the money last. Kroft its been said that one of the reasons it took so long to catch Whitey Bulger is that people were looking for a gangster, and bulger, whether he liked it or not, had ceased to be one. Torsney he said it was hard to keep up that mindset of a criminal. And thats part of the reason he came down to that garage. It was hard to stay on that edge, that criminal edge, after being on the lam as a regular citizen for 15 years. Kroft the master manipulator gave credit to Catherine Greig for keeping him crimefree, hoping it would mitigate her sentence. She is now serving eight years for harboring a fugitive. On the long plane ride back to boston, bulger told his captors that he became obsessed with not getting caught, and would do anything to avoid it, even if it meant obeying the law. Whitey bulgers biggest fear, they said, was being discovered dead in his apartment and he had a plan to avoid it. Torsney if he became ill and knew he was on his deathbed, hed go down to arizona, crawl down in the bottom of one of these mines, and die and decompose. And hope. Hope that we would never find him and still be looking. Looking for him forever. 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Bill whitaker in july of 2014, joseph wood was strapped to a gurney in arizonas death chamber. His execution, by lethal injection with a new cocktail of drugs was supposed to take about ten minutes. It took almost two hoursthe longest execution in u. S. History. As we first reported last november, when lethal injections were introduced in 1977, they were supposed to be a more humane form of Capital Punishment. Instead, the process has become a messy testing ground for unproven, toxic drugs. At the heart of the problem pharmaceutical companies have banned the use of their drugs for Capital Punishmentpartly under pressure from Death Penalty opponents. Without access to the lethal agents theyve used for decades, the states are turning to new, untried drugs. And thats creating an execution crisis in america, making it harder and harder to ensure that when a state decides to end a life, things dont go horribly awry, as they did in the execution of joseph wood. Arizona is one of 31 states to employ Capital Punishment. Cameras arent allowed here, but this department of corrections video takes us inside death row, where more than 100 inmates are awaiting execution by lethal injection. On july 23, 2014, it was joseph woods turn. Wood had been convicted of murdering his former girlfriend and her father. At 1 52 p. M. , arizona executioners began pumping an experimental combination of drugs into woods veins. They had never before used these drugs for execution, but they expected wood to die within minutes. Among the witnesses that day were deacon ed schaeffer, woods attorney, dale baich, and reporter michael kiefer. Michael kiefer it seemed to go as normal. They put in the. The catheters. They announced that they would. Were administering the drug. And he closed his eyes and went to sleep. Dale baich and about 11 minutes in, i noticed his lip quiver. And a minute later, he gasped. A few seconds later, he did it again, and then again and again and again. Ed schaeffer it was loud. It wasnt just, you know, some nice, peaceful sleeping sound. Whitaker were you thinking at this point, somethings gone wrong . Kiefer everybody was thinking something went wrong. You could see the looks on the faces of the people from the department of corrections, who were. Who were standing along the side. You know, they were looking at each other nervously. Whitaker you tried to have the execution stopped . Baich while joe wood was on the table gasping and gulping, we were arguing to a federal judge that he should stop the execution. Whitaker on what grounds . Baich that it wasnt working. Schaeffer i actually said about four rosaries, four complete rosaries, and theres five decades to each rosary. And each one can take anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes. Whitaker and that told you that this was going on for a very long time . Schaeffer hour and 58 minutes. Kiefer thats a long time to be sitting there, watching somebody die. Whitaker before the federal judge could rule, joseph wood was dead. It was supposed to take just one dose of the drugs to kill him. Prison logs show, before it was over, executioners had injected wood 15 times with the new cocktail of drugs. Baich someone made the decision to inject 14 additional doses of that drug into mr. Wood. Thats not something that has ever been done before. So, they were making it up as they went along. Whitaker in several rulings, the Supreme Court has reaffirmed the eighth amendment punishment must not be cruel and unusual. Joseph woods lingering death set off alarms across the country and prompted an independent investigation in arizona. Was joseph woods execution botched . Mark brnovich well, bill, i think botched is a very inflammatory word. Whitaker Arizona Attorney general Mark Brnovich told us he sees nothing wrong in the way woods execution was carried out. It took almost two hours. Thats the longest execution in u. S. History. Brnovich at the end of the day, though, the independent report, the medical examiner, all concluded that mr. Wood was sedated the entire time, was unresponsive to stimuli, and he was feeling no pain whatsoever. Whitaker but how do you know that . Brnovich well, obviously, at. At the end of the day. Whitaker were there sensors . Was anybody taking brain. You know, how do you know he wasnt feeling pain . Brnovich well, ultimately, you cant know, because the persons dead. Whitaker so if two hours isnt too long, what is . Three hours . Would that cause alarm . Four hours . Brnovich i think two hours, three hours, four hours when someones on the death gurney and theyre unconscious, i dont think theyre worried about the time. In this instance, it happened to take longer, but that does not mean that it was botched. Whitaker what would you call it . Brnovich i would call it that you had somebody who is a heinous killer that murdered people in cold blood, and eventually received justice. Whitaker theres no dispute of joseph woods guilt. In august of 1989, wood, a 31 yearold vet addicted to methamphetamines, walked into this auto body shop in tucson, arizona, shot and killed his former girlfriend, debra dietz, and her father, eugene dietz, in cold blood in broad daylight. Richard and Jeannie Brown remember that day well. You actually saw joe wood kill your. Richard brown . Sisterin law. Shes saying no, joe, dont do it, dont do it, and he shot her anyways. It was one of the worst days of my life. In 40 seconds, eugene dietz and Deborah Dietz were dead. Jeannie brown and my mom looked at me and she walked up and gave me a hug, and she said your dad and sister were just killed. Whitaker you witnessed his execution . Richard brown yes. Whitaker what was that day like for you . Richard brown that day was one of the best days of my life, because he finally got it. Jeannie brown everybody can say he went inhumanely, it was a horrible death. I wonder if we were all sitting in the same room and if we all saw the same thing, because he went peacefully. And my. Im sure my dad and my sister did not go peacefully. Whitaker this is a murderer. He committed a heinous crime. Why worry about his last two hours on earth . Baich were not medical doctors. We dont know whether joe wood experienced pain. But what we do know is that, under the constitution, there cannot be cruel and unusual punishment, and there cannot be a lingering death. I witnessed other executions by lethal injection and i had never seen anything like that. Whitaker lethal injections were supposed to be a civilized step up from the brutality of electrocutions and the spectacle of public hangings. Former president Ronald Reagan described execution by lethal injection as just like falling asleep. Alex kozinski i just think that the whole idea of using drugs is foolish. Whitaker Alex Kozinski is a judge on the United States court of appeals for the ninth circuit, which covers the west, including arizona, where joseph wood was executed. Kozinski was appointed to the bench by president reagan and is one of the most prominent conservative judges in the country. He is in favor of the Death Penalty, but is opposed to lethal injection. Kozinski the state of arizona and other states want to make this look like its benign, want to make it look like oh, its just a medical procedure. They ought to just face the idea that this is cruel and this is violent, and they ought to use some method that reflects that. Whitaker well, we used to do all kinds of things to kill people. We used to have the electric chair. We used to have the gas chamber. We used to hang people, even publicly. Kozinski many people were executed by electric chair, but then it was switched away from that because it was thought to be something that caused pain. Whitaker so, thats why most states moved to lethal injection. Kozinski and as a result, those people who strongly opposed the Death Penalty moved to stop the flow of drugs that are available for execution, so now, states have to scramble for evermoreexotic drugs to try to carry out the Death Penalty. Whitaker pharmaceutical companies also grew alarmed that drugs developed to heal were being used to kill, and they refused to sell them for use in executions. The u. S. Government now prohibits the import of the drugs. We found 15 states have begun to improvise their own lethal concoctions. The result a number of bungled executions. In 2014, in ohio, convicted murderer Dennis Mcguire gasped and convulsed on the gurney for 25 minutes before dying. In oklahoma, clayton lockett, convicted of rape and murder, was administered an untested combination of drugs. He struggled violently, groaned and writhed. A witness later said it was like watching a person being tortured to death. Prison officials moved to stop the execution, but lockett would die of a heart attack 43 minutes after the drugs first entered his veins. Locketts execution prompted president barack obama to call for a wideranging federal review of executions. Barack obama what happened in oklahoma is deeply troubling. In the application of the Death Penalty in this country, we have seen significant problems. Whitaker most states have laws making lethal injection the only option for executions. With the drugs now unavailable, we have found six states have skirted federal law and turned to black Market Dealers to get their hands on them. Six years ago, when arizona needed drugs to execute an inmate named jeffrey landrigan, it purchased them illegally from a supplier operating out of this driving school in london. On customs forms obtained by 60 minutes, the state claimed the imported drugs were for animal use. We asked the current attorney general, Mark Brnovich, if those drugs were used for the landrigan execution. The importing of the drug that you were trying to use for his execution was illegal. Its against u. S. Law for that drug to be imported. Brnovich its my understanding that there was a paperwork issue. The proper forms werent filled out. Whitaker was it used in the execution of mr. Landrigan . Brnovich yes. Whitaker this office, the state of arizona, knew or should have known that it was illegal to import these drugs . Brnovich bill, i was not the attorney general when that happened. Whitaker yeah, but this. Brnovich and i dont want to use that as an excuse, because i think theres a broader. Whitaker but if this office is. This is the top legal office. Brnovich right. And all i can assure you is that, as long as im attorney general, we will follow all state and federal regulations and all state and federal laws when it comes to obtaining and using the drugs in the executions here in arizona. Whitaker after our whitaker after our interview, newly released documents revealed the Arizona Department of corrections once again purchased banned execution drugs abroad. Federal authorities seized the illegal imports. Arizona now is trying to get them back. Brnovich we execute individuals not because we want to or we get some sort a bloodlust out if it. We do it because we feel like we have to, and we will do everything we can to make sure that theyre killed in the most efficient manner possible. Whitaker the Death Penalty in arizona has been blocked by a lawsuit since the problems with joseph woods execution. The state is fighting in court to resume Capital Punishment by lethal injection. Kozinski i would eliminate the entire controversy. I would use a bullet or a series of bullets. Theyre fast, theyre effective. Nobody ever survives. Whitaker go back to the firing squad . Kozinski make it look like an execution. Mutilate the body. And this would express the sense of thats what youre doing, that were actually committing violence on another human being. Whitaker i read that you have even thought the guillotine might be a good way to execute. Kozinski oh, yes. Whitaker really . Kozinski the guillotine works. Never fails. Its quick. Its effective. Whitaker you do know what that sounds like, hearing a judge sort of be an advocate for the guillotine . Kozinski tell me. Whitaker barbaric. Kozinski the Death Penalty is barbaric. And i think we, as a society, need to come face to face with that. If were not willing to face up to the cruelty, we ought not to be doing it. 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And a few hours later, Bruce Springsteens people also called to book him for a shoot. In the 17 years since, danny clinch has photographed just about every heavyweight in the music world rappers, rockers, country stars, jazz and pop artists. As we first reported in february, he has a knack for being in the right place at the right time for the right shot. And he has developed friendships with many of his subjects, which gets him up close and personal access on stage and off. For example. Bruce springsteen, hitting the road on tour once more, his wife patti by his side. And danny clinch is there to talk a bit about old times, and danny clinch in 99 was the first time i photographed you guys and it was then. Cooper and shoot the band rehearsing. Cooper over the years, clinch has taken thousands of pictures of springsteen, and many have become classics. Clinch this is in a farmhouse thats on bruces property. And its just a really sweet little spot. Cooper there are portraits of the artist offstage that mirror the tone and the message of his music. And theres the famous shot of springsteen falling back into the crowd, where from the stage, clinch had a perfect view. Clinch i was like, right in there. And he fell back and i got my shot. Cooper and did you know you got it . Clinch i felt like i did. Yeah. Cooper clinch wears many hats, pun intended. As the official portrait photographer at the grammys, he covers the musical spectrum. Tony bennett and lady gaga. Clinch im not like a strongarm guy. I want to collaborate. Cooper country star miranda lambert. Clinch you want to make people relaxed. Cooper singersongwriter sam smith. Clinch you want to find a Common Ground as quickly as you can. Cooper Foo Fighter Dave Grohl and paul mccartney. Clinch youre in a sense part of the history of that moment. And i never really get tired of that, and i never take it for granted. Trey anastasio you want to go up on stage . Clinch yeah. Cooper he goes way back with many musicians. Thats Trey Anastasio of the band phish, one of several that let him shoot on stage, trusting him to stay out of the way. Its new years eve phish is playing Madison Square garden and to the crowd, clinch is the invisible man. What is it about shooting a concert . What are you trying to get . Clinch im trying to capture a moment. Its not about the singer at the microphone. Im trying to look for, like, a moment in between. Cooper he works from the back of the stage, hiding behind the drums or the amplifiers, waiting for that inbetween moment. Popping up like a whackamole to get his shot. And sometimes over the years, its paid off big, as in this classic photograph. The view from the stage of foo fighters dave grohl and a cast of thousands. Clinch it still gives me goose bumps. Cooper or this one, at a pearl jam concert. Eddie vedder and jeff ament, airborne. Clinch i popped up from behind jeffs amplifiers. The whole stadium was lit. Theyre up in the air in that perfect moment. Cooper you were hiding behind an amplifier. Clinch yeah. Cooper do you wear earplugs . Clinch i should. laughs cooper but you dont. Clinch i often dont, yeah. Cooper im surprised you can even hear me. Clinch yeah. Cooper or are you just reading my lips . Clinch yeah. It is i get out there and im like, jeez, i should probably have some earplugs. And then im like, i forgot them. Cooper learning the ropes, clinch was an assistant to photographer annie leibovitz. He prefers shooting in natural light, and agrees with what the famous war photographer robert capa said if your pictures arent good enough, youre not close enough. And even when hes not working, hes still looking for that perfect shot. Clinch im photographing all the time. Im such a visual person and i dont want to miss that moment. Cooper youre never without your camera . Clinch rarely. Cooper even right now sitting here . Clinch yeah. See . I always want to be prepared, because you never know whos going to come to your studio. I really like this a lot. Cooper his studio is a place where any music fan would love to be locked up for a few days. Its like a history of rock and roll. Clinch theres a couple things here i want to show you so well show these over here. Cooper a couple years back, he photographed one of the men who started it all chuck berry, whos now 89. And another founding father jerry lee lewis, whos 80. And here are some pictures from that first session with bob dylan. Clinch we were trying to figure out you know give him a Little Something to do. Somebody came back with a whole bunch of different language newspapers. And he picked that one up and i started to shoot. Just, you know, keeping it real simple. Cooper more of his greatest hits southern gothic, gregg allman on a rainy day in savannah. Johnny cash, waiting to go onstage, a shot capturing the loneliness of life on the road. Country stars faith hill and tim mcgraw. Tom waits. Nora jones. Tupac shakur. Clinch he was really professional and he was into it. We chose a shirt that he was gonna change into. He took his shirt off and i saw all the tattoos. And i said, would you mind doing one like that . And he said yeah. Cooper when you took this did you know how strong it was . Clinch i mean, i felt like this was really a powerful image. I felt like the simplicity of it was really powerful. Cooper clinch has branched out into making commercials and music videos. This one shot in willie nelsons bedroom on his tour bus. Clinch willie doesnt mind me taking his photograph, but hes not really crazy about sitting and being directed and all that sort of stuff. So ive found ways to work with that. Cooper he also got some very candid stills. Nelson braiding his hair. And indulging in his favorite recreational pastime, smoking a huge stick of weed. I dont even know what it would be called, its so big. Clinch i know, its something. Cooper its like a cigar. Clinch somehow i cant remember what happened after that. Cooper and then, there are the occasional shoots he wishes he could forget. Clinch i was at a madonna show many, many years ago and i was like in the sweet spot and she came out and i mean it was the best part of the show. And i was shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. And im like, god, i must have shot a hundred pictures have i not run out of film . And i opened the back of my camera and there was no film in there. laughs so that happened to me only once. Cooper ouch. No doubt one reason he gets along so well with musicians he knows the language, wearing yet another hat to play with the tangiers blues band, and sometimes jamming with the likes of willie and bruce. His harmonica, like his camera, goes everywhere he goes. He grew up on the jersey shore, living in toms river, a few miles down the garden state parkway from springsteen country. He got the photography bug from his mother. Clinch she always had a camera, always still has a camera. And at times i find myself taking pictures of her taking pictures of the family. Cooper and from his father, he got a taste for classic rock and roll from the 50s, and classic cars. His prize possession a 1948 pontiac silver streak. The sort of car his father always noticed when clinch was a kid. Clinch everywhere we went he would go, oh, theres a 55 chevy. And, oh, you know, look at that 1959 cadillac. And i started to love cars myself. Cooper and hes always found a way to work them into the shot. Springsteen with the pontiac, and in his wifes 1950 hudson with clinchs father at the wheel. An old cadillac with neil youngs hat. And young inside, tooling around nashville. Clinch this was a great moment for me. Im a big fan of neils, to be driving around in this cadillac was. Cooper yeah. Was he driving . Clinch he was driving yeah, yeah. And we stopped at a little intersection and i grabbed it. But nothing could prepare him for the trip he made in december to the old car capital of the universe havana. Cuba, havana, its got to be a photographers dream. Clinch ill tell ya, theres so much interesting culture and theres so much great color everywhere you look is a photograph. Cooper you seem to have a smile on your face kind of all the time. Clinch yeah. Yeah. Cooper the preservation hall jazz band was invited to a cuban music festival, and clinch tagged along with a documentary film crew. They play the traditional music of new orleans. A distinctive sound, and some distinctive instruments. You know, you do a lot rock and roll bands, dont see a lot of rock and roll bands with a sousaphone. Clinch yeah. Thats true. Cooper the rhythms of new orleans and havana are much alike. And the americans were soon jamming with cuban musicians on stage, at their homes. Clinch you dont need to speak spanish, you know . You just need to speak music. Cooper between concerts, clinch wandered the city, snapping away. And checking out the cars. Clinch im not just a fan of the really restored ones, the shiny ones. But i like the working mans cars. How theyve fixed it, how it had been repaired time after time. Cooper but his biggest thrill came backstage, with the band warming up. Clinch they were preparing for the show. And it just turned into this impromptu, like jam, this percussion type thing. And i live for those moments. Cooper hes seen a lot of moments, heard a lot of music. And has come to one conclusion. Clinch it doesnt matter if its hiphop. It doesnt matter if its jazz, or anything in between. If it hits you right here, its good music. Cooper and you can get a photo out of it. You can capture it. Clinch so far, yeah. laughs cooper writing in clinchs notebook, tupac shakur said if a picture is worth a thousand words, photographers are worth a million. 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