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American families have experienced in trying to get their loved ones freed from terrorist groups. Love you. Stahl were you prepared for this . How could you be prepared for this . You cant. I never had held life and death in my hands and im telling you i held his life in my hands. Youre going to fix it. Now steve kroft Michael Fassbender and kate winslet are both up for oscars. Fix it what the . Kroft not because they are great actors, but because they had demanding roles in a very unusual movie that allowed them to show just how good they are. Tell me whats wrong with you this morning. I just knew that it was going to be electric to be in a room with Michael Fassbender and danny boyle and i promise you, it absolutely was. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im anderson cooper. Im bill whitaker. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. baseball on tv in background with Heart Failure, danger is always on the rise. 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We told you then that el chapo spanish for ishortywas on forbes list of billionaires and had earned an outsized reputation for his worldwide smuggling empire, his ruthless brutality and most of all, for his daring getaways like the one we told you about last year when he vanished from a maximum security mexican prison through one of his trademark escape tunnels. Then there was our interview with actor sean penn, who met guzman at a hideaway last fall. After el chapos stunning prison break, many thought hed never get caught again. But he was. How . Youre about to see. Where in the pantheon of drug traffickers, drug lords, does el chapo fall . Peter vincent el chapo resides at the very top of that hierarchy. Whitaker Peter Vincent was a senior official and Legal Adviser of both the Justice Department and Homeland Security during the International Manhunt for guzman. He says after the daring escape last summer, el chapo became almost delusional. What precipitated his downfall . Vincent he became drunk on his own wine. He started to believe the hype that he was special, that he was almost a demigod, that he was something truly magical. And he became so incredibly arrogant that he thought he was untouchable. Whitaker jim dinkins agrees. As chief of Homeland Security investigations, he was part of the u. S. Mexico Task Force that nabbed el chapo in 2014. Jim dinkins he knew how he was captured last time. And so he had the upper hand, right. He had all the cards in his hand to go off into the sunset and to learn from his mistake. But he just couldnt help himself, and he remained in the public eye. Whitaker after his first escape from prison in 2001, guzman virtually disappeared from sight for 13 years. But not this time. Dinkins here he gets out of prison, and hes on the road being spotted at this place having, you know, drinks, and this place, you know with his family members. Whitaker he invited sean penn, and the Actress Kate Del Castillo to come in to see him. Dinkins yeah. Whitaker did mexican Law Enforcement know that these two actors were going in to see el chapo . Dinkins oh, absolutely. They knew that sh where sean was going to go, when he was going to land. They knew right away. Whitaker how did they know . Because they were listening in on the cartels communications, and watching. Mexican and u. S. Law enforcement reformed the task force that caught el chapo the last time. They were tracking not just guzman, but everyone in his inner circle, including his cook. And everyone his lieutenants contacted, including sean penn. Did he become sloppy . Dinkins definitely. There was more sightings of him in the last six months than there was in the last ten years of before he was captured in 2014. Whitaker after he escaped the last time, you told us that you were not confident that he would ever be captured again. Dinkins yeah. Whitaker that el chapo had become a smarter criminal. Did you overestimate his intelligence . Dinkins i truly did. Here he had over a year in prison, i presumed he was using that same amount of time to think about how he was going to remain a fugitive for the rest of his life. Whitaker mexican officials told us that only twenty days after his escape, the marines picked up on guzmans trail. Vincent they created an even smaller team of Mexican Marines, a search bloc, and they focused on the prize at hand. That was capturing El Chapo Guzman alive, if they absolutely could. Their first opportunity came in early october, just days after sean penns visit. The marines told us they waited because they didnt want the american actor caught in the cross fire. A team of marines approached one of el chapos mountain top ranches by jungle road, while another group of commandos flew in by helicopter. So what went wrong on that october mission . Vincent as i understand it, despite all of El Chapo Guzmans bravado of being a macho, very powerful man, he was running with a child in his arms. Whitaker a human shield. A baby as a shield . Vincent thats the only way that one can rationally see it. Whitaker so once again, el chapo got away. In early december, intelligence led the marines to this house in the sleepy coastal town of los mochis in northern sinaloa. Wiretap intercepts talked about a visit planned by grandma and aunt code names for el chapo and his lieutenantknown as cholo ivan. The marines watched the house for a month as painters and construction crews came and went. Then on the morning of thursday, january seventh, grandma finally showed up. An Assault Force quickly moved into position nearby. That evening, someone in the house called out for a large order of tacos and this armored truck left to go pick up the food. Chapo was having a party. Vincent for an incredibly savvy, clever, almost a criminal genius that El Chapo Guzman was, he ultimately was done in by very simple tastes. Whitaker what do you mean . Vincent tacos, tequila, and chicas. Whitaker at 4 40 a. M. In the predawn hours of friday, january eighth, the marines began battering down the gate of chapos safe house. Weve concealed the identities of the commando leaders for their safety. Bravo translated so when we first knock on the door of this house, the shooting started. Whitaker a fierce gun battle erupted. The first marine through the door was shot in the arm. I watched the videotape. Its very intense. Alpha translated chapos people inside the house were firing highcaliber rounds, grenades. So it was like a war zone. Whitaker the marines moved methodically through the house. Chapos henchmen retreated up the stairs. Just inside the door, one gunman lay dead. Down the hall, four more taken prisoner and the commandos quickly check a walkin closet covered with fulllength mirrors. Up the stairs, the marines find two women, one of them the cook, cowering on the bathroom floor. Outside the house, more commandos fought it out with gunmen who fled across the roof tops. When it was over, there were five Cartel Members dead and six in custody. But once again, chapo with cholo ivanhad vanished. A couple of days later, the marines took us to the safehouse in los mochis in an armed convoy. Here, just inside the gate, a pool of blood where the marine was shot. Sangre. Blood. And inside the door, more bloodstains, the walls pock marked with bullet holes and the scars of exploding shrapnel. And remember that walk in closet . The mirrors masked a hidden door. Behind the secret door, the entrance to one of el chapos trademark tunnels. Its connected to a network of storm drains and sewers. It was 45 minutes before they found chapos escape route and that morning the marines gave chase. Alpha translated we intensified the search inside the tunnels, opening the manhole covers, and inserting people in in those sewers. Whitaker then it started raining, hard. Bravo translated after 20 minutes of rain, we thought the chapo may may drown in the bleep in the sewers because of the high level of the water. Whitaker so he popped up out of the manhole right in the middle of a busy street. Bravo translated that was his only option. Whitaker this is where he came out. He popped up the manhole cover. Its about a half mile from the house, straight down that road there. Look carefully at this Security Camera footage from the gas station across the street. At 8 55 am four hours after the first shots were exchanged right there, you can see chapo and cholo ivan climbing out of the sewer. And then in this cell phone video, you can see them carjack a white v. W. Jetta and speed away. The fugitives got only three blocks before the jetta broke down. So they jacked a second car, a red ford focus, but only a couple of miles out of town that car broke down. Within minutes, the federal Emergency Center got two reports of hijacked vehicles. On the highway out of town, the marines found the ford already on the bed of a towtruck. But no sign of chapo or his lieutenant. They had been picked up by the federal police and taken to a nearby motel. What were they doing in the backseat of the police car . Alpha translated they werent talking. They were relaxed. But they looked confused. Whitaker no one knows why the federal police took chapo to the motel instead of to jail, but Peter Vincent has a theory. Vincent el chapo undoubtedly said, one, you let me go now and i will make you wealthier beyond your wild imaginations. If you should choose to decline my most generous offer, i am not only going to kill you but i am going to rape and kill your wife and your daughters and im going to torture your sons. Whitaker he has behaved like that in the past . Vincent he has behaved like that virtually his entire criminal career. Whitaker bribes and threats. Vincent bribes and threats, bribes and bullets. And luckily the Mexican Marines showed up, realized what was going on and took control of the situation. Whitaker chapo was flown to mexico city for booking. He was paraded before reporters and returned to altiplano, the same prison from which he escaped last july. Vincent this time, he is rotated from cell to cell to cell. Guards are circulated every 15 minutes, through whatever cell he happens to be occupying on that particular day. Whitaker the u. S. Justice department wants guzman extradited, brought here to face charges for his crimes. Seven separate jurisdictions, including new york, chicago and san diego, all want to put el chapo on trial. Juan Pedro Badillo is a lawyer who only has one client el chapo. He warns extradition can be a lengthy process. How long do you think the whole extradition Legal Proceedings will go on . Juan Pedro Badillo translated ten, 15, 20 years perhaps. Or it could be one or two years. Vincent El Chapo Guzman knows that, if he is ultimately extradited to the United States its essentially game over for him. Whitaker soon after chapos arrest, the u. S. Mexico task force captured another two dozen sinaloa Cartel Members. Vincent it sends an incredibly powerful message to current kingpins, to future narcotraffickers that you may run, you may hide but ultimately this Multinational Force will track you down from the highest mountains or the deepest, darkest jungles, or through the stinking sewers of towns and cities anywhere in the world, and bring you to justice. 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The negotiations for his release were not led by the government but by weinsteins then68year old wife, who lived thousands of miles away in rockville, maryland. Warren weinstein listen, a lot has happened. I am in custody of these people. I think we have to trust them. Stahl when 70yearold Warren Weinstein was kidnapped at gunpoint in august, 2011, he was dragged, bleeding, from his house, here in lahore. His wife elaine would not know if he was alive for seven months. Then one early morning, she got a call from the kidnappers. They put warren on the phone. Elaine weinstein the first thing he said to me was, im sorry i did this to you. Warren weinstein i am sorry i did this to you. Elaine weinstein dont say anything. Dont say that. Warren weinstein okay. Elaine weinstein we miss you, well do anything to get you safe. Tell them not to touch you, to take care of you. Hes gone. The first thing he says to me, not, get me the hell out of here, but, im sorry i did this to you. I mean, that i will never forget. Stahl theyd been married for 46 years, had two daughters and two grandchildren. Warren often lived abroad without elaine, doing Economic Development work in places like burundi and cameroon, learning the local language and adopting the garb and customs of the country. They were not wealthy, and when the kidnappers demanded 4 million for his release, she was shocked. Could you afford that . Elaine weinstein no. Stahl could you come close . Elaine weinstein no. If i needed 4 million, i wouldve come up with it. Its my husbands life. Stahl elaine contacted the f. B. I. , which sent a team of negotiators that advised her to counter the kidnappers 4 million ransom demand by starting low. She says they suggested 250. Elaine weinstein what do i know about negotiating with these people . I dont have a clue. They told me this is what you should do. I thought 250 was insulting. Stahl so instead, her first counter proposal was 21,820. The kidnappers wrote back in chat messages no, it is not possible. It is very low. It look like you dont want to free warren. The f. B. I. , present during these exchanges, was walking a fine line. Paying ransom demands that could be used to Fund Terrorists operations is a federal offense. It is actually against the law for a citizen like you to give money to a terrorist. Elaine weinstein right. Stahl and the f. B. I. Was facilitating it . Elaine weinstein yes. Stahl now how how does that happen . Elaine weinstein the f. B. I. Said to me in the beginning, it is against the law for you to pay a ransom for your husband. But nobody has ever been prosecuted for that. Stahl elaine had hired an experienced hostage negotiation firm that was working with the f. B. I. To advise her. Elaine weinstein as far as i was concerned, give them the money. And i kept, well, cant we just give them the money . Stahl all of it . Elaine weinstein yeah, im hey, give them the money. Lets get this over with. Give them the money. Stahl but it wasnt that simple. Before turning over any money, elaine was told to get confirmation that warren was still alive. She asked for proof of life. She wanted a detail that only warren would know. They wrote back in broken english quoting warren i look forward to a star day dime some with her. Elaine had no idea what the message meant. Elaine weinstein and then the agent on my side said, dime sime, dime, dim sum i said, oh my god, thats warren. He said were gonna have dim sum, every sunday that he was home, we went for dim sum. Sometimes saturday and sunday. Stahl chinese food. Elaine weinstein yeah, that was the proof of life. Because nobody else could possibly have known these little things. Stahl whenever elaine talked to the kidnappers, shed follow notes like these from the f. B. I. can we set up a time to talk next time . Or can i email you . We both have goals. I need to know warren is okay. The kidnappers were getting impatient. They messaged if you send the money, we free him. If you not sending the money, so then we kill him and we send you the death video of warren. Elaine wrote back please do not hurt him. The kidnappers then upped the pressure by having warren himself call and urge her to pay the money. Warren weinstein elaine, what they told me all along is unless they get all the money, theyre not going to deliver me. Stahl to make sure the kidnappers didnt keep upping the ransom demand, she took the f. B. I. s advice on how to answer warren that day Elaine Weinstein its very dangerous to give them the money, warren. We wont have anything left. We will have to give them our entire life savings. Theyll keep asking for money until we have nothing left to give them. And i dont think theyll let you go. Warren weinstein the guy im with is saying if you give him the money, i think theyll bring me to islamabad. Eric lebson she delivered the message that she needed to deliver, even though she was listening to her husband in captivity being prodded to ask her to do something different. I dont know that i could do that. Stahl eric lebson worked on president Obamas National Security staff, specializing in pakistan. After the white house, he and his company levick volunteered to help elaine during the negotiations. Lebson this is an older woman who is now living by herself, dealing with this stress, and taking phone calls at 3 00 in the morning from kidnappers holding her husband. Stahl logs from the hostage team show that the calls would come in waves. On one night, the records show, the kidnappers called elaine 18 times between one and six in the morning. Elaine weinstein on my mind all the time was, you keep it together. Your husbands life is in your hands. Stahl and this went on for almost four years. Elaine weinstein yeah. Stahl daily pressure . Elaine weinstein yeah. Stahl the kidnappers in pakistan finally agreed to 243,000. But the most important part of the process was how to make the swap. She got conflicting advice. The f. B. I. And her private negotiators disagreed and she had to decide what to do. Elaine weinstein the thing is my word is the last word. Can you imagine . My word is the last word . I have to decide what to do. Stahl were you prepared for this . Elaine weinstein how could you be prepared for this . Stahl you cant. Elaine weinstein i never held life and death in my hands. And im telling you, i held his life in my hands. Stahl the nightmares. Elaine weinstein yeah. Stahl every decision. Did i make the right decision . Elaine weinstein right. Again, you asked about publicity. Stahl yeah Elaine Weinstein well, some said, shout it from the rooftops. And some people said, shh, dont tell anybody. Well and then this is not just my team. This is also people weighing in, friends, family, calling me. Well, why didnt you do this . And why didnt you do that . You know, give me a break. Stahl elaine decided to follow the f. B. I. s recommendation and pay the ransom in installments. The plan was that after the last of three payments was delivered in front of this mosque in peshawar, warren would be delivered to a nearby hotel disguised as a devout muslim woman wearing a black burka. But after the money was given, warren was not returned. Elaine weinstein and now they wanted more. Stahl so they got almost all. Elaine weinstein almost all the money and i got no warren. Warren weinstein my name is Warren Weinstein. Stahl over time, she watched her husband deteriorate in publicly released videos on al qaeda websites. He became more haggard; elaine would notice he had lost a tooth. Warren weinstein we may never see each other again. Stahl she came to realize warren had been transferred to a Different Group who didnt want money, they wanted Prisoners Released from pakistani prisons. But the u. S. Government has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists, which has left many hostage families feeling abandoned. Still, she went to see top u. S. Officials including secretary of state john kerry and deputy National Security advisor lisa monaco to ask for help. Elaine weinstein do something. Youre the strongest country in the entire world, do something. And they did nothing. Stahl elaine began worrying about another threat to warren u. S. Drone strikes. Because the kidnappers were calling her from public phones, the f. B. I. Believed that warren was being held in north waziristan, a prime target area for the strikes. She says she told lisa monaco of her fears in january 2014. Stahl she had the foresight to worry that the bombing could affect her husband . Lebson of course. She said, we believe warren is in north waziristan. Please make sure you dont accidentally kill him. And its exactly what happened. President obama i want to express our grieve and condolences to the families of two hostages one american, dr. Warren weinstein and an italian giovanni laporto, who were tragically killed in a u. S. Counter terrorism operation. Stahl the president said that after hundreds of hours of surveillance over the compound, it was determined that it housed only terrorists. It wasnt until after the strike that they realized warren and the other western hostage were also there. C. I. A. Director john brennan and lisa monaco went to elaines daughters home to explain to the family what happened, a meeting that has not been disclosed until now. Elaine weinstein it was like, i told you so. I was worried about it from the first day. Stahl and you articulated this . Elaine weinstein yeah, i did. To the people that we said, dont do this. And they acknowledged that they did it and they they goofed. Stahl so how did lisa monaco react . Elaine weinstein she basically started to cry. She grabbed a tissue and she said i know. Stahl the president called elaine, apologized and took full responsibility for the death of her husband. As a final indignity, the kidnappers asked for money for warrens body, which the u. S. Government refused to pay for fear that kidnappers would start killing hostages and ransoming the corpses. Warren weinstein ok. Stahl the sound of warrens voice on audio tapes. Warren weinstein elaine, i wanted to let you know that im okay. Stahl . 13 months after his death, is excruciating for elaine. As is looking at the videos. Warren weinstein please give my love to the kids and tell them that no matter what happens, i love them very much. Ive always been proud of them and always will be. Love you. Stahl you didnt even look at the video tapes of warren that they put out. Elaine weinstein i saw them once. Stahl that was it. Too distressing . Elaine weinstein very painful. I mean, maybe someday ill look at them again and say, this is all i have left. 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And that would not have happened without screenwriter aaron sorkin and director danny boyle. Steve jobs for a given clock rate, a power pc chip is twice as fast as a pentium two chip. Kroft it was by every measure a unique and ambitious project about the inner workings of a recently deceased genius. Someone who saw the future, and built it by breathing life into the personal computer. Defining how it would be used, and selling the idea to the american public. Jobs see how this reminds you of a friendly face, but the disk slot is a goofy grin . Its warm, and its playful, and it needs to say hello. Kroft unlike many hollywood films, steve jobs wasnt built around a star. It was built around a massive theatrical script from Academy Awardwinning screenwiter aaron sorkin on the right, then placed in the hands of Academy Award winning director danny boyle, on the left. Danny boyle Everybody Knows Aaron Sorkins scripts. Theres a huge amount of lines. Theres a huge amount of interchange. You got to do a lot of learning to be able to get it up to pace. Kroft to begin with, there were more than 180 pages of dialogue, nearly twice the size of an average script. A drama in three acts that takes place backstage at three different product launches spanning 14 years in steve jobs life. It is two hours of talk. Intelligent, often humorous conversation and adversarial confrontation. Jobs you had three weeks. The universe was created in a third of that time. Andy hertzfeld well, someday youll have to tell us how you did it. Boyle can i just see you . Kroft it was the directors job to bring action and movement to the sorkin script, which read like the sound of steve jobs mind. Jobs everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone is waiting for the mac. Boyle its this this tormented mind and whats involved in the process, as he saw it, of changing the world, you know. And he did change the world back then. And and how do you do that . And its that fevered mind. Jobs were there . Hertzfeld i need more time. Jobs you cant have it. Hertzfeld twenty minutes kroft when it came to casting the lead, boyle thought there was only a tiny number of people who could pull off the complicated and demanding role. He was less interested in landing someone who looked like steve jobs than finding a committed actor determined to convince people he was steve jobs. Jobs two most significant events of the Twentieth Century the allies win the war and this. Kroft he decided on Michael Fassbender, the rising irish star with the german surname and a work ethic like the man he was picked to play. Boyle he has a very kind of jobsian approach, i think. Hes so focused and uncompromising about the way he does the work. Kroft is this the most complicated thing youve ever done . Michael fassbender its the hardest thing ive ever done. Kroft fassbender had been praised for his part in Quentin Tarantinos inglorious basterds. Lt. Archie hicox well if this is it old boy, i hope you dont mind if i go out speaking the kings. Kroft and he received an Academy Award nomination for his supporting role in 12 years a slave. His range runs from Macbeth Macbeth so foul and fair a day i have not seen. Kroft to magneto, the villian in the xmen action franchise. But steve jobs was going to be different. Fassbender it was like an action piece in words. laughs you know kroft no no exploding cars. Fassbender no. laughs kroft no sex. Fassbender nope. Kroft not ev any romance. laughs fassbender mmmm. laughter yeah. So, i was, like, perfect. This is gonna be great. laughter yeah, it was just it was such an unusual piece of writing. Boyle because it was such an enormous, it was like tackling a huge one of the big shakespeares, like a lear or fassbender yeah. Boyle a hamlet. Or, you know, its like a mountain to climb. Kroft kate winslet first heard that the steve jobs movie was casting not from her agent or producer scott rudin, but from her hair and make up person while shooting a film in australia. Kate winslet i just knew that it was going to be electric to be in a room with Michael Fassbender and danny boyle. And i honestly promise you, it absolutely was. Kroft winslet, who has one oscar already to go with six nominations, can have just about any role in hollywood she wants. Joanna hoffman were out of time. Theyve got to mop the floor. Kroft but no one seemed to be thinking about her for this one, the part of apple marketing whiz Joanna Hoffman, who was one of the few people who could handle steve jobs. Kroft you did want to do this movie. You sought out the role . Winslet i i offered my offered my services and let it be known that should they be interested in casting completely against type and considering the blonde english woman to play the darkhaired polish armenian, laughs id be delighted. Kroft with some wit and an iphone, she managed to get their attention. Winslet i gave them a little bit of a nudge. And i i put a darkhaired wig on myself and some glasses and made myself look as much like the real Joanna Hoffman as i possibly could. And i took a selfie and sent it to scott rudin, and it seemed to do the trick. And danny boyle came to australia and we had a meeting. And he asked me to play the role. Kroft by the time kate winslet arrived in San Francisco to begin shooting, she and the rest of the cast had read the script and realized they were facing a huge challenge a fast paced drama that unfolds in hallways, on staircases and in dressing rooms. Winslet, whos character was a composite of the strong women in jobs life, found it all a bit terrifying. Kroft why terrifying . Winslet terrifying because its 187page script. And it flows. Theres a rhythm to it. Theres a pace to it that has to feel entirely accidental and fluid. And the only way to really honor that and respect those words is to know them and to not forget them. Thats the hardest part. Hoffman start 15 minutes late so avie can recompile. Just at least give us a fighting chance. Jobs jesus christ, how many times have we had this conversation . Hoffman fine jobs were not starting late ever, were not ever starting late. Winslet because if you forget even one word, one line, or you pause for just too long while sort of trying to remember what comes next, the whole thing unravels. Kroft danny boyle, who spent years directing at the Royal Court Theatre in london, knew exactly what his actors were up against and got the studio to agree to a costly six weeks of rehearsal. The cast would learn one act at a time, then film it in sequence. Boyle i couldnt see any other way that the actors would be able to control this beast, this huge beast of this extraordinary dialogue that hed written as a way into this mans mind. And i thought the only way the actors can get on top of it and own it, which is the key, i think, is by breaking it down and letting us rehearse. Winslet we rehearsed the first scene well, act, first scene. And we got it as we got it down. And then we went and filmed it. And then filming would stop, and we would go back and we would shoot we would rehearse the second part. And then we would go in and shoot that. And then filming would stop again. And so theres this crew on hiatus while we would go off and rehearse again for another 12 days. And then wed go back in and shoot. So by the time we got onto the set, we were already on performance number 50, because we had been doing it for two weeks straight. Kroft fassbender, who had by far the most lines, saw steve jobs as a great man and a flawed human being. A visionary, and a vainglorious control freak. Jobs what size shirt do you wear . Man me . Jobs does anyone know what size shirt he wears . Does anyone know what size shirt i wear . Hoffman does anyone know where the closest psychiatrist is . Jobs the disk fits in your pocket. Hoffman does it have to be a white shirt, is blue ok . Jobs no. The mac is beige, im beige. The disk is blue. The shirt has to be white. Kroft a brilliant motivator and recruiter of talent. Jobs that was cool kroft who could be an unreasonable boss, an indifferent father and an unreliable friend. Steve wozniak you know when people used to ask me what the difference was between me and steve jobs, i would say steve was the big picture guy and i liked the solid work bench. When people ask me what the difference is now, i say steves an bleep . Kroft hes not a very sympathetic character. Fassbender you say that. laughs i yeah, i dont i find him to be. I think, you know, when you have such strong convictions and a lack of patience with that goes with it, and a sharp tongue and, you know elements of cruelty perhaps, you know, its it can come across as as maybe a bit harsh for people to take onboard. I think he was an extraordinary person. And he changed the way we lived our lives. I never looked at him or approached him as an unsavory character. Kroft unpleasant . Unsociable . Fassbender yeah, unsociable, i would say. Yeah. You know i suppose, approaching it as actor, unpleasant isnt really something that i want to set out to play, you know. I cant really play unpleasant. But if somebody said, play somebody whos got a lack of patience, whos very you know, got a very strong vision is unrelenting in that vision, you know, has a problem perhaps with emotional connection, now im going somewhere. Now i can start putting together something. Kroft fassbender believes jobs antisocal tendencies may have been a convenient way of putting distance between himself and other people, a way of managing their judgements and expectations of him. Hertzfeld why do you want people to dislike you . Jobs i dont want people to dislike me. Im indifferent to whether they dislike me. Kroft all of this made little difference to jobs widow who was unhappy with her husbands portrayal. Apple refused to cooperate with the project. C. E. O. Tim cook called it opportunistic. For the most part, the cast and danny boyle shrugged it off. Boyle his importance to our world now is such that you cant ignore him. You have to write as much right about these guys. And not just him, there are many, many ot other figures that are turning the world around, literally overnight. So for that reason, it felt like it was important to tell a story. There is a steve that apple would like to actually present to the public. They have a character, steve, and they want to keep that story going. And its very important that writers challenge that occasionally and not just trust their Parent Companies to tell them. Kroft danny boyle has always had an aversion to that kind of power. A working class guy with no discernible ego, he joined the ranks of britains top directors after winning an Academy Award for slumdog millionaire, and he became a National Hero for directing the elaborate Opening Ceremony for the 2012 olympics in london. Then he became very famous for turning down a knighthood from the court of queen elizabeth. Kroft you were offered a knighthood. Boyle yes, i was. But that, its not really the its not my cup of tea, really. I feel very, i d i feel very fake walking ar i find it difficult enough being called mr. Boyle, which as i age im increasingly called. laughter i find that hard enough, anyway. So, any anything else, i i wouldnt be comfortable with. Kroft did you know this was in the works . Did you know this was coming . Or did your name just appear on this list . Boyle no, no. You get a phone call. laughter kroft and you just told em flat out. Boyle yeah. And i and you get another phone call to see if youd change your mind. laughter kroft no regrets. Boyle n well no, no. Not not not not at all, no. laughs absolutely not. Kroft if either Michael Fassbender or kate winslet win an oscar next sunday, mr. Boyle will likely be one of the first people thanked along with aaron sorkin. Neither were nominated this year. They all share some disappointment that more people havent seen steve jobs, but they all say its getting harder and harder to get people out of their houses and away from their t. V. S, premium cable and on demand services which is the marketplace steve jobs is now moving into hoping to find a brand new audience. Winslet it was an amazing experience. I honestly couldnt have cared less if no one ever saw this film, because it was such an amazing experience to be a part of. I mean, there are so many reasons as an actor that i can i can march onward in my life and go, stake in the ground, im proud of that. Announcer can the steve jobs movie be both truth and fiction . Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Before i had the shooting, burning, pinsandneedles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet served my country, carried the weight of a family, and walked a daughter down the aisle. But i couldnt bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. So i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. Nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain. From moderate to even severe diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. 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