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Tomorrow and meets with president obama at a time when he has placed himself and his country in the middle of the most pressing issues of our times. He helped the u. S. And its western allies broker the nuclear deal with iran, and now, with a russian buildup of aircraft, military equipment and personnel in syria, he has put himself and his country at the center of that civil war and the fight against isis. Now, when his relations with the United States seem to be at a postcold war low, suffering under western economic sanctions imposed on russia, putin may be looking for a way to restore his international influence and gain the respect he seeks for his homeland. Just before his trip to the u. S. , putin invited us to meet him at his state residence outside moscow, where we found him characteristically confident and combative as he made the case that the focus in syria should be on fighting isis rather than removing syrian president assad. So, you would like to join the United States in the fight against isis . Thats part of why youre there. Others think that while that may be part of your goal, youre trying to save the Assad Administration because theyve been losing ground, and the war has not been going well for them. And youre there to rescue them. Vladimir putin translated well, youre right. We support the legitimate government of syria, and its my deep belief that any actions to the contrary in order to destroy the legitimate government will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions. For instance, in libya, where all the state institutions are disintegrated. We see a similar situation in iraq. And there is no other solution to the Syrian Crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism but, at the same time, urging them to engage in positive dialogue with the rational opposition and conduct reform. Rose as you know, some of the Coalition Partners want to see president assad go first before they will support. Putin id like to recommend to them the following they should send this message to the Syrian People. Its only the Syrian People who are entitled to decide who should govern their country and how. Rose president assad, you support him. Do you support what he is doing in syria and what is happening to those Syrian People, those many millions of refugees and the hundreds of thousands of people that have been killed, many by his own force . Putin well, tell me, what do you think about those who support the opposition and mainly the terrorist organizations only in order to oust assad without thinking about what will happen to the country after all the government institutions have been demolished . Today, you have repeatedly said that assad is fighting against his own population, but look at those who are in control of 60 of the territory in syria. Its controlled by either isis or by others. Rose alnusra . Putin . Such as al nusra and other terrorist organizations. They are recognized as terrorist organizations by the United States, by other states and by the united nations. Rose are you prepared to put russian combat troops on the ground in syria if its necessary to defeat isis . Putin russia will not participate in any troop operations in the territory of syria or in any other states. Well, at least we dont plan on it right now. But we are considering intensifying our work with both president assad and with our partners in other countries. Rose i come back to the problem that many people look at, and they believe that assad helps isis; that his reprehensible conduct against the Syrian People using barrel bombs and worse is a recruiting tool for isis and that if he was removed, transitioned at some point, it would be better in the fight against isis, alnusra and others. Putin well, speaking in a professional language of intelligence services, i can tell you that this kind of assessment is an active measure by enemies of assad. It is antisyrian propaganda. Rose much is being read into this, including this that this is a new effort for russia to take a leadership role in the middle east, and that it represents a new strategy by you. Is it . Putin not really, no. More than 2,000 fighters from russia and exsoviet republics are in the territory of syria. There is a threat of their return to us. So, instead of waiting for their return, we are better off helping assad fight them on syrian territory. So, this is the most important thing which encourages us and pushes us to provide assistance to assad, and in general we want the situation in the region to stabilize. Rose but your pride in russia means that you would like to see russia play a bigger role in the world, and this is just one example. Putin well, its not the goal in itself. Im proud of russia, thats true, and we have something to be proud of, but we do not have any obsession with being a superpower in the international arena. Rose but you are in part a major power because of the Nuclear Weapons you have. You are a force to be reckoned with. Putin laughs i hope so. I definitely hope so. Otherwise, why do we have Nuclear Weapons at all . Rose recent tension between the United States and russia began after ukraines president yanukovych was overthrown and fled to russia. Putin responded by annexing crimea, leading the u. S. And western allies to impose tough economic sanctions against russia. Putin ukraine is a separate and major issue for us. It is our closest neighbor. Weve always said that this is our sister country. Its not only a slavic people; we have common history, common culture, common religion, and many things in common. What i believe is absolutely unacceptable is the resolution of internal political issues in the former u. S. S. R. Republics through color revolutions, through coup detats, through unconstitutional removal of power. That is totally unacceptable. Our partners in the United States have supported those who ousted yanukovych. Rose you believe that the United States had something to do with the ousting of yanukovych, and he had to flee to russia. Putin i know that for sure. Rose how do you know that for sure . Putin i know those people who live in ukraine. We have thousands of contacts with them. We know who and where, when, who exactly met with someone and worked with those who ousted yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which countries, and who those instructors were. We know everything. Rose for the record, the u. S. Government has denied any involvement in the removal of the ukrainian leader. You respect the sovereignty of ukraine . Putin sure, but we want countries to respect the sovereignty of other countries, and ukraine in particular. Respect for sovereignty means to not allow unconstitutional action and coup detats, the removal of legitimate power. Rose how will the renewal of legitimate power take place, in your judgment . How will that come about . And what role will russia play . Putin russia has not taken part and is not going to take part in any actions aimed at removing the legitimate government. Rose you have a military presence on the border of ukraine, and some even argue that there have been Russian Troops in ukraine. Putin well, do you have a military presence in europe . Rose yes. Putin american tactical Nuclear Weapons are in europe. Lets not forget that. What does this mean . Does it mean that youve occupied germany, or that youve transformed the Occupation Forces into n. A. T. O. Forces . Putin and if we have our military forces on our territory, on the border with some state, you believe this is a crime . Rose what Vladimir Putin thinks about america and about president obama might surprise you. 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President ial candidates have portrayed him as a bully, a gangster, or a pragmatic opponent who can be bargained with. One thing we found a strong personality who will engage in a conversation with blunt talk, charm and wit. Youre much talked about in america. Theres much conversation, more so than any. Putin translated maybe they have nothing else to do in america but to talk about me. Rose no, no, or maybe theyre curious people. laughter or maybe youre an interesting character. Maybe thats what it is. They know of a former k. G. B. Agent who came back and got into politics in st. Petersburg, and became deputy mayor and then came to moscow. And the interesting thing is, they see these images of you barechested on a horse, and they say, there is a man who carefully cultivates his image of strength. Putin you know, im convinced that a person in my position must provide a positive example to people. And those areas where he can do this, he must do this. Rose you enjoy the work, you enjoy representing russia and, you know. Youve been an intelligence officer. Intelligence officers know how to read other people. Thats part of the job, yes . Yes . Putin it used to be. Used to be. Now, i have a different job, and thats been for quite a long time. laughter rose somebody in russia told me there is no such thing as a former k. G. B. Man. Once a k. G. B. Man, always a k. G. B. Man. Putin well, you know, anything that we do, all this knowledge we acquire, all the experience, well have it forever, and well keep that. And well use it somehow. So, in this sense, yes, theyre right. Rose a c. I. A. Operative once said to me that one of the training you have is, you learn the capacity to be liked as well because you have to charm people. You. You have to charm people, you have to. Yes, seduce them. Let me. Putin well, if the c. I. A. Told you, then thats the way it is because they are an expert on that. laughter rose you have a popularity rating in russia that would make every politician in the world envious. Why are you so popular . Putin there is something that i have in common with every citizen of russia, the love for our motherland. Rose many of us were moved by an emotional moment at the time of the world war ii memorial because of the sacrifices russia had made. And you. You were seen with a picture of your father, with tears in your eyes. Putin my family suffered very major losses during the second world war, thats true. In my fathers family, there were five brothers. I think four of them died. On my mothers side, the picture was pretty much the same. Russia has suffered great losses, and, of course, we cant forget that and we must not forget that. Not to put blame on somebody, but to prevent anything like this from happening in the future. Rose you also have said that the worst thing to happen in the last century was the collapse of the soviet empire. There are those who look at ukraine especially ukraine and georgia and they believe that you do not want to recreate the soviet empire, but you do want to recreate a sphere of influence which you think russia deserves because of the relationship that has existed. Putin laughs rose why are you smiling . laughter why . Putin youre making me happy because were always suspected of some ambitions, and they always try to distort something or hint at something. I indeed said that i believe that the collapse of the u. S. S. R. Was a huge tragedy of the 20th century. You know why . Rose why . Putin because, first of all, in an instant, 25 million russian people found themselves beyond the borders of the russian state, although they were living within the borders of the soviet union. Then, all of a sudden, the u. S. S. R. Collapsed just overnight, in fact. And its turned out that in the former soviet republics, 25 million russian people were living. They were living in a single country, and all of a sudden, they turned out to be outside the borders of the country. You see, this is a huge problem. First of all, there were everyday problems the separation of families, social problems, economic problems. You cant list them all. Do you think its normal that 25 million russian people were abroad all of a sudden . Russia was the biggest divided nation in the world. Its not a problem . Well, maybe not for you, but its a problem for me. Rose there are many people who are critical of russia, as you know. They say that its more autocratic and less democratic. They say that political opponents and journalists have been killed and imprisoned in russia. They say your power is unchallenged. And they say that power and absolute power corrupts absolutely. What do you say to those people who worry about the climate, the atmosphere in russia . Putin well, there can be no democracy whatsoever without compliance with the law. Everyone must observe the laws. This is the most important thing which we must bear in mind. As for these tragic events such as the death of people, including journalists, unfortunately, they do occur in all countries of the world. But if they happen in our country, we do the utmost to find the criminals and to punish them. But the most important thing is that we will continue to improve our political system so that every citizen can feel that they do influence the life of the city, of the country, and of the society, and so that the authorities will feel responsible with regard those people who trust them during the election campaigns. Rose if you, as a leader of this country, insist that the rule of law be adhered to, if you insist that justice be done, if you, because of your power, then it could go a long way to eliminating that perception. Putin well, a lot can be done, but not everyone succeeds with everything from the very start. How long did it take the democratic process to develop in the United States . Do you believe that everything is perfect now from the point of view of democracy in the United States . If everything was perfect, there wouldnt be the problem of ferguson. There would be no abuse by the police. But our task is to see all these problems and to respond properly. Rose so, the people who killed mr. Nemtsov will be prosecuted to the fullest . Putin yes. I said it right away that this is a shame for our history, and criminals must be prosecuted and punished. Rose are you curious about america . More than simply a. Another nation that you have to deal with . Putin of course, we are curious about whats going on. America exerts enormous influence on the situation in the world, as a whole. Rose what do you admire most about america . Putin i like the creativity. Rose creativity . Putin creativity when it comes to tackling your problems. Their openness, openness and openmindedness, because it allows them to unleash the inner potential of their people. And thanks to that, america has attained such amazing results in developing their country. Rose let me ask you this what do you think of president obama . Whats your evaluation of him . Putin i dont think im entitled to give any views regarding the president. Thats up to the american people. Rose do you think his activities in Foreign Affairs reflect a weakness . Putin i dont think so at all. You see, heres the thing. In any country and in the United States, i believe this happens even more often than in any other country foreign political factors are used for domestic political battles. There is a president ial campaign coming up, so theyre playing either the russian card or some other. Rose okay, but let me ask you this do you think he listens to you . Putin well, i think we listen to each other in a way, especially when it comes to something that doesnt go counter to our own ideas about what we should and should not do. Rose do you think he considers russia you said youre not a superpower he considers russia an equal and considers you an equal, which is the way you want to be treated . Putin laughs well, you ask him. Hes your president. How could i know what he thinks . Rose are you watching the republican political debates . Putin well, i dont watch them daily, no. Rose marco rubio is running for the republican nomination, and he said that you were like a gangster. Putin how can i be a gangster if i worked for the k. G. B. . Come on, that does not correspond to reality. Rose are people in russia fearful of you . Putin i think no, theyre not. And most people trust me if they vote for me in the election. Thats the most important thing. It places a huge responsibility on me, and i am grateful to people for this trust. But at the same time, i feel this huge burden of responsibility for doing what i do and for the results of my work. Rose as you know, some have called you a czar. Putin so what . You know, people call me different names. laughs rose well, does the name fit . laughter putin no, it does not fit me. Its not important what youre called, whether these are well wishers, friends or opponents. Its important what you do for the interests of the country that has entrusted you with such a position as the head of the russian state. This cbs sports update is brought to you by ford. Im james brown with scores from nfl today. A painful win for the steelers as they lose quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to a knee injury. Oakland moves to 21. Adrian peterson scores two touch as the vikes win. The colts outscore the titans 216 for their first win and five teams move to 30, including carolina for the First Time Since 03. For more sports news and information, go to cbssports. Com. 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Political architects are amazed because trump rose on a shaky foundation. His shoot from the lip style managed to offend women, latinos, and american p. O. W. S. Now, with summer over and four months to iowa, voters captivated by a largerthanlife personality begin to want the fine details. Thats what we were looking for this past tuesday when we met trump, on top, in his fifth avenue penthouse in manhattan. He surprised us with news about his tax plan. So, now youve got everybodys attention. Donald trump i do have their attention. Pelley revolution is easy, governing is hard. And what id like to get to is how you intend to govern the country if you are elected president. Whats your tax plan . Trump its a substantial reduction for the middleincome people, because our middle class, scott, is being absolutely decimated. It will be a corporate also reduction. I think itll be a great incentive for corporations. Pelley who are you going to raise taxes on . Trump if you look at actually raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. Some people that are getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. But overall, its going to be a tremendous incentive to grow the economy, and were going to take in the same or more money. And i think were going to have something thats going to be spectacular. Pelley but republicans dont raise taxes. Trump well, were not raising taxes. Pelley what kind of republican are you . Trump i mean, the only. Well, im a pretty good republican, but i will tell you this i do have some differences. I dont want to have certain people on wall street getting away with paying no tax. Pelley you say youre going to lower taxes on the middle class. What are we talking about . Trump well, were talking about numbers that will be announced over the next two days, and theyll be significant for the middle class. Pelley do you know what the numbers are . Trump i know them right now. Pelley well, why dont you tell me . This is 60 minutes. Its time to tell the folks at home the details of what you intend to do. Trump i know, i know. I will say this there will be a large segment of our country that will have a zero rate, a zero rate. And thats something i havent told anybody. Pelley youre talking about. Trump were talking about people in the lowincome brackets that are supposed to be paying taxes. Many of them dont anyway. Pelley youre talking about making part of the population exempt from income tax. Trump that is correct. Pelley youre talking about cutting Corporate Income taxes . Trump that is correct. Pelley but theres a 19 trillion federal debt. Trump thats right. Were going to grow the economy so much. Pelley you cant afford to do those things. Trump no, no, but if the economy grows the way it should grow, if i bring jobs back from china, from japan, from mexico, from so many countries; everybodys taking our jobs. Pelley how do you get them back. Trump you get them back. Pelley . Those 20 an hour jobs that this country was built on . Trump right. Exactly. You get them back by taking them away from other countries. I mean, if you look at china, we have. Pelley how does the president do that . Trump well, the president does it by not allowing places like china to devaluate. You know, they devalue their currency, scott, to such an extent that its impossible for our companies to compete. Every time they do that, they suck the blood right out of our country. Pelley youre not running for president of china. Trump no, im running. Pelley youre not going to be able to prevent the devaluation of their currency. Trump oh, absolutely. Sure you are, sure you are. Look, they dont respect our president , they dont respect our country. They will respect me. They wont be doing it, but heres what we have to do if they dont come to the table, theyre going to have a tax when they put their products into this country. And theyre going to behave. Pelley so, you would tax their. Trump i would. Pelley . Products coming into the United States. Youre talking about a trade war. Trump i dont want to say tax anything. Im talking about a fair war. Im talking about also, i have the smartest people on wall street lined up already. Theyre going to represent us on japan, on mexico. Mexico, by the way, is taking our jobs. I love the mexican people. Theyre great people. But the leadership is too smart for our country. Ford motor company, moving a 2. 5 billion plant to mexico. Mexico. Pelley but theres nothing you can do about that as president. Trump sure there is. Pelley how do you keep them from exporting american jobs to mexico . Trump lets say ford. Lets say ford moves to mexico. If they want to sell that car in the United States, they pay a tax. Heres whats going to happen theyre not going to build their plant there. Theyre going to build it in the United States. Pelley but there is a north American Free trade agreement. Trump and there shouldnt be. Its a disaster. Pelley but it is there. Trump okay, yeah, but. Pelley if youre president , youre going to have to live with it. Trump excuse me, we will either renegotiate it or we will break it. Because, you know, every agreement has an end. Pelley you cant just break the law. Trump excuse me, every agreement has an end. Every agreement has to be fair. Every agreement has a defraud clause. Were being defrauded by all these countries. Pelley its called free trade. Trump no, its not. Pelley . And it is a plank. Trump its not the. Pelley . Of the republican platform. Trump scott, we need fair trade, not free trade. We need fair trade. Its got to be fair. Pelley trumps differences with republicans and democrats have him rising on a mood of national frustration. In our cbs news poll, nearly half of republicans in the early primary states say theyre not dissatisfied with washington, theyre angry. They tell us that business know how matters much more than a political resume. And when they see the multibillionaire in his private 757, 80 of republicans say they see a strong leader. Trump so, i want to build our country. Our countrys been decimated. We have spent so much money in the middle east and other places. We. Our roads are falling apart, our bridges are falling apart, everythings falling apart. We have to rebuild our country. Pelley this sounds great. How are you going to pay for it . Trump were going to absolutely be able to pay for it. My economy will expand so rapidly, were going to take jobs back from other countries and we will be able to pay for it. Pelley are you serious about deporting 12 million Illegal Immigrants . Trump well, nobody knows the number, but the answer is you just said it, theyre Illegal Immigrants. Theyre here illegally. First of all, i have to start a little bit differently. Were going to build a wall, and were going to create a border. Its going to be a great wall, and its not going to be very expensive. And its going to be peanuts compared to the kind of numbers, you know . Pelley how are you going to build a wall. Trump its called management. Pelley . That is cheap and impenetrable . Trump it will be a real wall. Itll be a wall that works. Itll actually be a wall that will look good, believe it or not, because what they have now is a joke. Theyre. Theyre ugly, little and dont work. Pelley lets assume your wall has gone up. Trump good. Pelley 11 million, 12 million Illegal Immigrants. Trump or whatever the number is. Pelley . Still in the country. What do you do . Trump if theyve done well, theyre going out and theyre coming back in legally. Because you said it. Pelley youre rounding them all up. Trump were rounding them up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And theyre going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And. And, by the way, i know it doesnt sound nice, but not everything is nice. Pelley it doesnt sound practical. Trump it is practical. Its going to work. They have to come here legally. And you know, when i talk about the wall and i said it before were going to have a tremendous, beautiful, wide open door. Nice big door. We want people to come into the country. Pelley you know, the problem with a lot of these ideas is that the president of the United States is not the c. E. O. Of america. Trump thats right. Pelley the constitution is going to tell you no. Trump well see. Pelley the congress is going to tell you no. Trump well see. Pelley the Supreme Court is going to tell you no. Trump well, well see. Pelley and youre not used to working in an environment like that. Trump look, i do it all the time. Pelley who tells you no . Trump i do it all the time. Not that many people. I do it all the time. And i deal with governments all the time. I have. Overseas, i have vast holdings overseas. Pelley what is the role of the u. S. Military in the world . Trump i want to have a military thats so strong, so powerful, so modern, has the greatest equipment in the world, and that everybody says, were not going to mess with them. And we dont have that now. Pelley when has the u. S. Military been too small to accomplish its mission . Trump its not a question of too small. Pelley were. Trump we. We dont have leadership. Pelley were at war with isis as we sit here. How do you end it . Trump i would end isis forcefully. I think isis. What they did was unbelievable, what they did with james foley and the cutting off of heads of everybody. I mean, these people are totally a disaster. Now, let me just say this isis in syria, assad in syria, assad and isis are mortal enemies. We go in to fight isis. Why arent we letting isis go and fight assad, and then we pick up the remnants . Why are we doing this . Were fighting isis, and assad has to be saying to himself, they are the nicest or dumbest people that ive ever imagined. Pelley let me get this right so we lay off isis for now. Trump excuse me, let. Pelley . Lay off in syria, let them destroy assad, and then we go in behind that. Trump thats what i would say. Yes, thats what i would say. Pelley or, he had another idea leave it to an old adversary. Trump if you look at syria, russia wants to get rid of isis. We want to get rid of isis. Maybe let russia do it. Let them get rid of isis. What the hell do we care . Pelley okay, thats syria. What do you do in iraq. Trump with that. Pelley . With isis . Trump look, with isis in iraq, youve got to knock them out. Youve got to knock them out. Youve got to fight them. Youve got to fight them. You have to stand. Pelley on the ground . Trump if you need, youre going to have to do that, yes. Pelley troops on the ground. Trump yes. Pelley 15 years ago, he advocated a preemptive strike on north Koreas Nuclear program, which he still sees as a major threat. Trump well, youre going to have to do something at some point. Pelley you would drop a bomb on their Nuclear Reactor . Trump i would do something. You have to do something about north korea. Now, what i would do is, i would make china respect us because china has extreme control over north korea. And i would say, china, you better go in there, and you better do something because economically it could cost china. Pelley and theyre going to listen to donald trump . Trump we d. Yeah, theyre going to listen to me. Pelley they dont listen to president of the United States. Trump theyre going to listen to me. Pelley . But donald trump theyre going to listen. Trump just like i have the chinese banks in my buildings, they listen to me, they respect me. China has almost complete control over north korea. China will do that. And if they dont do that, they have to suffer economically because we have the engine that makes china work. You know, without the United States or without china sucking out all our money and our jobs, china would collapse in about two minutes. Pelley whats your plan for obamacare . Trump obamacares going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at whats going on with premiums, where theyre up 45 , 50 , 55 . Pelley how do you fix it . Trump theres many different ways. By the way, everybodys got to be covered. This is an unrepublican thing for me to say because a lot of times, they say, no, no, the lower 25 , they cant afford private, but. Pelley universal health care. Trump . I am going to take care of everybody. I. I dont care if it costs me votes or not. Everybodys going to be taken care of much better than theyre taken care of now. Pelley the uninsured person is going to be taken care of, how . How . Trump theyre going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And you know what . If this is probably. Pelley make a deal . Who pays for it . Trump the governments going to pay for it, but were going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most, its going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies. And they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything. Pelley in your book, the america we deserve, you proposed raising the Social Security retirement age to 70. Is that still your plan . Trump yeah, not anymore because now what i want to do is take money back from other countries that are killing us, and i want to save Social Security. And were going to save it without increases. Were not going to raise the age, and it will be just fine. Pelley how are you going to do that . It is a basket case . Trump through capability. We will set it up by making our country rich again. Pelley you know, the. The heart of all of your plans seems to be, were going to be rich. Trump we are going to do great. As a country, we are going to do great. Pelley you know, Neither Party likes you very much. How are you going to get. Trump i would say thats true, yes. Pelley how are you going to get anything through congress . Trump when you say the party, the establishment doesnt. For instance, i noticed that. That. Pelley well, thats who congress is. How are you going to get anything. Trump thats. Oh, ill get along. I get. Ive gotten along with politicians my whole life. Ive made a fortune on politicians. Nobody knows politicians better than i do. I get along with politicians. Pelley youre not going to be able to buy them anymore. Trump no, no, im not going to buy them. Im not going to buy them. Ill get along with them. Youve got to get along, and youve got to get people to do what you. Its called leadership. We dont have any leadership right now. Pelley in dallas this month, he nearly filled a 20,000seat arena. Our poll shows that his support extends from republicans to independents, young and old, evangelical and not. But his poll numbers did slip slightly last week, and nationally among all voters, majorities of blacks and hispanics disapprove. Trump told us he will pay for his campaign all the way through the nomination. Trump yeah, im totally willing to. Im selffunding my campaign. Now, once you get the nomination, then the Republican Party kicks in and they raise all this money, and they do whatever they have to do. But i am absolutely 100 doing it myself. Pelley you love hearing about yourself. Trump i do. Pelley it is oxygen to you. What does that tell us about donald trump . Trump no, if im on a show, ill turn on the show. But i dont think im any different than anybody else. If somebodys. Pelley i was in your office. All the magazines on your desk. Trump well, i have a lot of covers. Pelley . Are covers of you. Trump i think i have more covers. Pelley all the pictures on the wall are pictures of you. Trump well, its cheaper than wallpaper. Pelley what are we supposed to take from that . Trump you know, look, im on a lot of covers i think maybe more than almost any supermodel. I think more than any supermodel. But in a way, that is a sign of respect. People are respecting what you are doing. Pelley so, this is the Corner Office at 5th avenue and 57th, probably the most expensive intersection in the world. Trump i would say it is, absolutely. Pelley but there isnt enough respect, he told us, for the business he built. Trump real estate scrapes the skies of the world apartments, offices, hotels, casinos, famous golf courses and television shows. He started with his fathers successful real estate, and now trump says hes worth 10 billion. Others estimate 4 billion real estate values are notoriously variable. And your father also used to tell you, if i have this right, attack, attack, attack. Trump ill tell you what my father was a really good man with a tremendous heart, but he was a tough cookie. Pelley with a tougher hide, perhaps, than his son, who has sometimes gone to war with reporters. Why so thinskinned . Trump i dont like lies. I. I dont mind a bad story. If you did a bad story on me for 60 minutes, if it were a fair story, i wouldnt be thin skinned at all. You know, some of the media is among the worst people ive ever met. And i mean a pretty good percentage is really a Terrible Group of people. They write lies, they write false stories. They know theyre false. It makes no difference. And frankly, i dont call it thinskinned; im angry. Pelley an impression is created, though, that you like to dish it out but you cant take a punch. Trump oh, i think i can take it. I. I could take it if its fair. Again, if people say things that are false which happens a lot with me if people say things that are false, i will fight, like, harder than anybody. 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The no touch flush for your home. I was out for a bike ride. I didnt think id have a heart attack. But i did. Im mike, and im very much alive. Now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. Be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. Whitaker by now, youve probably heard of one of the greatest prison breaks of all time. It happened last july. Joaquin guzman known by his spanish nickname, el chapo, or shorty is one of the most notorious and violent drug lords in the world. He was a high value captive; he had broken out of prison before. This time, he was locked away in a maximum security penitentiary, the tightest prison in mexico. And yet he got away. And even more stunning he did so through a milelong escape tunnel that opened up right into his shower stall, the only corner of his tiny cell security cameras couldnt see. Even those who caught him last year were shocked by the escape. Jim dinkins gets arrested for the second time, knowing that hes escaped once before. Goes to prison and is still able to escape a second time. I mean, thats Something Like no other criminal in history that youll be able to find. Whitaker until he retired last year, jim dinkins was head of Homeland Security investigations. He was part of the International Manhunt for el chapo for more than a decade. Dinkins you know, he was literally in a wellfortified, constructed prison designed to prevent such an escape. Whitaker the maximum security prison in mexico. Dinkins yes. Designed to penetrate people from coming from air and coming from land. But they didnt anticipate him coming from underground. So, thats exactly what he did. Whitaker almost from the moment he was delivered here to altiplano prison in february 2014, a construction crew from his Sinaloa Cartel began digging a tunnel to free him. The walls here are as much as three feet thick. The airspace above is restricted. Cell phones, prison officials say, theyre jammed for miles around. But none of that made a difference. From almost a mile away, inside this hastily built cinderblock structure in a farmers field, chapos men dug down about three stories and then burrowed 4,921 feet straight toward altiplano. A massive construction project right outside the prison might have masked the noise of the underground activity. The tunnel went under the prison wall and beneath the plumbing, and, with pinpoint accuracy, it emerged directly into the shower stall of guzmans ground level cell. Dinkins its very difficult to navigate underground. This tunnel, i believe, went from point a to point b with only minor deviations, if any. And that is an engineering marvel in and of itself. Whitaker how difficult is that . Dinkins its very, very difficult. But im sure, when the boss is behind prison, you put your best team and your best foot forward. And they apparently did. Whitaker at 8 52 the night of saturday, july 11, el chapo ducks into the shower stall, behind a privacy wall the only spot in the fivefoot by six foot cell hidden from security cameras and then he disappears. He climbed down into the tunnel and climbed atop a motorcycle especially rigged on rail tracks to speed him to freedom. By the time the alarm sounded and a search began, guzman had vanished into the night. When the mexican agents located the cinder block structure where the escape tunnel began, the construction crew also was long gone, leaving behind the tools they had used for the project a generator, emergency oxygen tanks, a disk saw and car batteries. What was your reaction when you heard that el chapo had escaped again . Chuck rosenberg disappointed, not shocked. Whitaker Chuck Rosenberg is head of the u. S. Drug enforcement administration. He was in a maximum security prison. Rosenberg he had escaped previously in 2001, so it had happened before. We knew. We knew he intended to do it again. Whitaker you knew that he was planning to do it again . Rosenberg we knew that he and his folks back in sinaloa wanted to break him out. We had general chatter, maybe a year or so before he actually broke out a second time, about what they hoped to do. But there was nothing in that information we had about tunnels. Dinkins you know, hes a notorious tunnel manufacturer and. And architect . Whitaker the tunnel king . Dinkins the tunnel king. You know, hes responsible for more sophisticated tunnels than i think any other person in the history of Drug Trafficking in mexico. And so, its somewhat ironic that he was able to escape using one of the techniques that he really perfected over the last, you know, decade plus. Whitaker ironic, but not terribly surprising. During the last manhunt for el chapo, his pursuers discovered this, the tub. Look at this. A tunnel entrance also concealed in the plumbing in this case, beneath the tub. Thats amazing. Chapo devised ingenious smuggling methods. He packed drugs into fake cucumbers and bananas and mixed them in with shipments of real produce. But the thing he worked hardest on was making sure he could always get away. Guzman was the first mexican drug trafficker to hire architects and mining engineers to build elaborate super tunnels, complete with ventilation systems, electricity and railways, to ferry drugs under the u. S. mexico border. Mexican authorities led us to a tunnel they found unfinished and just short of the border fence in tijuana. The tunnel was discovered just a couple of weeks after el chapos great escape. His cartel wasnt just focused on building his escape tunnel, they continued building these drug tunnels at the same time. The border between san diego and tijuana is one of the Busiest International commercial zones in the world. Youll see a steady stream of trucks passing north and south. What you cant see is that beneath one fourmile stretch of this border, its crisscrossed with dozens of smuggling tunnels. Why . Because this industrial part of tijuana is right across the fence from acres and acres of warehouses in the u. S. Drug smugglers dig down inside a building over here, pop up inside a warehouse in the u. S. Just a couple of hundred yards away. This is where el chapos Sinaloa Cartel honed its tunneling technique. So, when did el chapo first start digging tunnels here in this area . Joe dimeglio on record, we have the first tunnel was in 2010. Whitaker joe dimeglio is the chief of the san diego tunnel Task Force Made up of agents from Homeland Security, the border patrol, and d. E. A. The task force was established to respond to what the government deems a threat to national security. Dimeglio and down this road, theres been multiple tunnels found in warehouses here. Whitaker how far is this from the border . Dimeglio this is probably about, like, 1,400 feet. Whitaker most tunnels are twice that length. What makes this area so appealing to them . Dimeglio just the infrastructure on both sides of the border, in otay mesa and in tijuana. You have all the commercial businesses there import, export and just the vast amount of warehouses there that are doing legitimate business. And its easy to conceal an illegitimate business within those warehouses, and its like looking for a needle in a haystack. Whitaker how much does it cost them to build one of these tunnels . Dimeglio weve estimated it costs the cartel anywhere between 1 million to 2 million. If they have one successful push through of narcotics, theyve paid for that tunnel and then some whitaker one load gets through . Dimeglio one load, not just one kilo. Were talking, you know, tons of narcotics going through. Whitaker a load of marijuana could be worth as much as 5 million to 6 million. Smugglers use the tunnels primarily to move marijuana because its too bulky, too smelly, too easy to detect to transport over land. Dimeglios team took us down into one of el chapos now closed subterranean passageways. They are dug through the clay like soil with picks, shovels, and small power tools. Dimeglio you can see the spade marks from the air hammer drill on the ceiling going across, and you see how they worked their way through the tunnel here as they were constructing it. You have rails, the rail system, the rail cart, the lighting, the ventilation. But its the concealment method that theyve changed and became more sophisticated. Whitaker more elaborate, harder to find . Dimeglio exactly. Whitaker so, what are they putting it under up on top . Dimeglio this specific entry point for this tunnel was the floor, a bathroom floor that was on a hydraulic lift. So, the lift actually lowered into another room which was 30 feet below ground. Whitaker the task force uses this groundpenetrating radar to try and find hidden entrances to tunnels, but it is only effective down to ten feet below the surface. The tunnels themselves are so deep some as much as 90 feet underground the task force has found no technology that can detect them not satellites, sonar or radar. So, how do they find them . Dinkins it was Good Old Fashioned Police Work that led to those tunnels being discovered. Whitaker so, you get a tip off from an informant, or you see somebody acting suspiciously . Dinkins yes. I mean, some of them are just as. As easy as having a neighbor who calls in a nearby warehouse that says, i hear something underneath my floor, and i dont know what it is. Whitaker the tunnel that el chapos cartel built to break him out of prison, is there anything comparable to that here . Dimeglio one of my guys actually went down there from the task force and actually walked in that tunnel and observed it. And he came back, and i asked him, so what did you think . He goes, its no different than what we see here. Its exactly the same. Whitaker so, they learned it here . Dimeglio they learned it here, you know, mastering. Every step that they go, every tunnel that they build, they learn from. Whitaker along the way, el chapo named to forbes magazines list of billionaires also learned his vast riches meant almost anything could be had for a price, possibly even his freedom. D. E. A. Chief Chuck Rosenberg says he was disgusted by el chapos prison break. A tunnel right under the maximum security prison and up into his cell. Rosenberg up into his shower stall. Whitaker how does that happen . Rosenberg we work with our mexican counterparts all the time on cases big and small. Theres lots and lots of good people down there, men and women who are with us in this. Theres also a degree of corruption down there that is disappointing, stunning, pick your adjective. Thats how it happens. Whitaker how high up do his tentacles of corruption and bribes, how high up do they reach . Rosenberg i dont know specifically how high up they reach. My sense is that theyre both broad and deep, that they go throughout the mexican government. Whitaker u. S. Law enforcement officials knew they had a reliable partner in the Mexican Marines the last time they hunted el chapo. We watched one of their training exercises last year and joined them on patrol in sinaloa, a mountainous state along Mexicos Pacific coast where the cartel still rules. This is culiacan, the capital of sinaloa. This is el chapos home turf. El chapo had seven safe houses here, all connected by tunnels. In february 2014, the marines and Mexican Federal agents began rounding up chapos henchmen. They led authorities to this nondescript house in the midst of a middle class neighborhood. It was a fortress. The marines had to ram their way through a reinforced steel door. It took you eight minutes to open the door . Si, ocho minutos. Whitaker when they got inside, el chapo was nowhere to be found. But they did find the escape hatch beneath the tub, which led to a labyrinth of interlocking passageways between safe houses and the sewer system of culiacan. While marines battered down the front door, they say guzman, startled, barefoot and in his underwear, clambered down these stairs and escaped through this tunnel with his bodyguard and two women. Even though they had a ten minute headstart, the marines told us that they could hear the fugitives splashing through the water, but they were too far ahead to catch. When the marines emerged from this spillway by the river, el chapo was gone. Chapo and his wife, a onetime beauty queen, their twin toddlers, a nanny, a cook and his most trusted bodyguard were desperately trying to shake the marines off their trail. They ditched their phones and got new numbers. Five days later, american agents traced the new phone of chapos bodyguard to the resort city of mazatlan, 136 miles away, and to this beachfront building. They shared that intelligence with the mexicans. At exactly 6 40 a. M. On february 22, 2014, the marines crashed through the door of number 401. The marines took guzman into custody. He was fingerprinted and examined for distinguishing marks and scars. He was also photographed, and then, after a short helicopter flight, delivered to the gates of altiplano, an impregnable penitentiary. Or so the mexicans claimed. It seems to me that for somebody to break out of a maximum security prison that there had to be help from the inside. Rosenberg logically, there had to be some sort of help. Had to be. Whitaker had to be blueprints and schematics. Rosenberg yeah. Unless they just tunneled up and got very luck and hit his shower stall, you bet they would have needed something. Theres no question in my mind that he had help. Whitaker at the time of el chapos prison break, the u. S. Government was pressing mexico to extradite him, send him to trial here. Where was the extradition process when he escaped . Rosenberg we had made our request. They knew of it. They want to prosecute a mexican who committed crimes in mexico in their country. It makes perfect sense. The reason we ask for extradition is because his crimes have so grievously injured communities around the United States, and we were concerned that he would do just what he did, escape justice in mexico. That wouldnt happen here. Whitaker guzmans latest daring getaway has only magnified the myth of a criminal mastermind who could outsmart all of his pursuers. In culiacan, hes a bona fide folk hero. His admirers celebrate his exploits, singing that he laughs at the law. There have been reported sightings of him across mexico and latin america. There are social media and blog posts purporting to show him in an airplane or sipping beer at a cafe. El chapo also popped up in the u. S. President ial race, supposedly feuding on twitter with donald trump. U. S. And mexican authorities told us none of those things is true. Do you have any idea where he is now . Rosenberg no. Whitaker you think he would return home to sinaloa . Rosenberg i dont want to guess. We got him twice, i bet well get him again. Whitaker you do . Rosenberg i do. Whitaker youre confident youll get him again . Rosenberg im reasonably confident well get him again. Dimeglio i am not very confident that well ever catch him again. Whitaker why is that . Dimeglio because when you go after chapo, its not like going after and arresting your local drug dealer or local criminal. This is somebody you have to bring in a whole team and army, literally, of soldiers and military folks and Police Officers to go after him and secure him. This is a big operation, to go after somebody like chapo. And it took months, months and years and years to do that once before. Whitaker do you think he learned from the past what youre going to do and what he shouldnt do . Dimeglio absolutely. I think he. Weve got a smarter chapo thats out on the street today. Whitaker to help mexico in the manhunt, the u. S. Government is once again providing intelligence and equipment, and a 5 million reward. I struggle with bipolar depression, and its hard. I miss out on lifes little moments. So i talked to my doctor and he prescribed latuda. There are many forms of depression. Latuda is fda approved to treat bipolar depression, which is different from other types of depression. In clinical studies, onceaday latuda was proven effective for many people struggling with bipolar depression. Latuda is not for everyone. Call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. Antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. Elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. 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The hacking into sony studios last year showed how they can turn into a matter of national security. When we first reported this story in february, the man the department of defense had in charge of inventing technology to counter these attacks was dan kaufman. He headed the Software Innovation division of dar about a the Defense Advanced Research project agency tasked with maintaining our military, technological superiority. It makes sense that darpa is working on this, after all it invented the internet. But kaufman was an unexpected choice. He is not a general or a scientist or an engineer. He is a video gamer. Call him darpa dan and he said it is only right that the agency that brought us the internet find a way to secure it. How common are attacks, Cyber Attacks, against the u. S. Military . Dan kaufman its common. Stahl its common. A lot . Kaufman oh, yeah. Stahl every day . Kaufman every day. Stahl dan kaufman has been monitoring the rising cyber threat for six years as the head of darpas Information Innovation Office in arlington, virginia. Kaufman the number of attacks is dramatically increasing. The sophistication of the attacks is increasing. So i. My job is not to wait for something catastrophic to happen and then say, oh, goodness, we should do something. My job is to say, hmm, i see this trend line going. I want to be way ahead of this line. Stahl do you consider dealing with cyber war your main mission . Kaufman no. Its not my main mission, but its about half my office. Stahl half your office is dealing with this . Kaufman absolutely. Both offense and defense. Stahl one of their defensive inventions is this ambitious prototype that, when in operation, will be able to scan the militarys Global Computer Network and zero in on any machine that may have been hacked. Kaufman yellow nodes are the ones that are running our software, and the blue are the ones its interrogating or asking. Stahl within seconds, the compromised computers pop up as red dots. And the idea is that these computers have been hacked. Kaufman yes. Stahl and someone has control of them and is taking secret information away from the military. Kaufman exactly right. And before, as you saw, itd be completely invisible to us because youre hiding among tens of thousands of computers around the world. Now, you and i can see this very quickly and we know exactly whats going on. Stahl stunning, and in just a couple of minutes or less even. Kaufman more than that. From here, you could absolutely start, i could say, lets shut that computer down. Lets quarantine that computer off. Stahl if it looks like a video game, thats not entirely an accident. Before darpa, kaufman made a fortune running several cutting edge video game companies. His only military experience is makebelieve. He helped invent the popular war game series medal of honor. Kaufman and then 9 11 happened. And it shocked me to my soul. And i thought, ive lived incredibly well off this country and i want to give something back. But i have no idea how to work for the government. I mean, i had never thought about it. Id never been to washington, d. C. And i did what all nerds do i went to barnes and noble. laughs and i got a big book it said government jobs. It was a big book. And i thumbed through it. And i said, i will find something and i will donate some time. And i decided i would hunt serial killers. So i coldcalled the f. B. I. Im sure im still on a list somewhere. And i said, you dont know me, but i want to do this. And they told me i was too old. Stahl 38 at the time, he missed the cutoff age for agents by one year. But eventually, his resume got noticed by the department of defense that saw an advantage to bringing in someone familiar with the language and hardware of video games, like the Virtual Reality oculus rift headgear hes experimenting with. So youre just using joy sticks. Youre just doing what any kid playing a videogame would be doing. Kaufman thats exactly right, except moving then into the world of actual science and real cyber defense. Stahl now, darpa dan has topsecret clearance, though his department looks like an arcade. He has a team of 25 brainiacs and a budget of half a billion dollars a year. Is everybody given a lot of freedom to pursue what theyre interested in . Kaufman yes, youre given tremendous freedom. The only constraints on you are, one, it has to do something to help national security, so make the world a better, safer, more secure place. Stahl so, youre working for the military. Kaufman absolutely, part of the department of defense. And two, we dont do incremental improvement. So the idea is it has to be something really revolutionary. Stahl this man is working on Artificial Intelligence software that would detect a hacker attack in real time and plug it in milliseconds with no humans involved. If such technology had been available to sony, that breach from north korea could have been plugged right as it happened. When darpa first invented the internet 50 years ago, they just didnt imagine hacking would become such a problem. Can the internet be fixed, or do we just have to throw this one out and build a whole new internet from scratch, with security built in . Kaufman i dont think the internet is broken. I think the things we put on the internet are broken. What were doing is were putting a lot of devices on it that are unsecure, and so. Stahl like what . Give me an example. Kaufman pretty much everything. Now, you can control everything in your house with a smart phone. Stahl our devices are increasingly connected online in whats called the i. O. T, the internet of things. Unlock garage side door. Affirmative, unlocking garage side door. Kaufman today, all the devices that are on the internet, the internet of things are fundamentally insecure. There is no Real Security going on. Always on. Connected home. Stahl so connected homes could be hacked and taken over. What is the houses temperature . Stahl there are already Horror Stories of this happening to Baby Monitors and smart kitchen appliances. So if somebody got into my refrigerator. Kaufman yes. Stahl . Through the internet, then they would be able to get into everything, right . Kaufman yeah, thats the fear, right. So the fear is, as everything becomes networked, right, so first, maybe they can mess with the refrigerator. You think, well, thats bad, its not that horrible. Your milk will go bad or. Its sort of prankish, right . Stahl yeah, prankish. Kaufman but that refrigerator, of course, as everything becomes networked, well, maybe that also happens to talk to your garage door, or even to your car itself. Stahl how many computers do you think is in a car like this . Kathleen fisher somewhere between 30 and 50. Stahl kathleen fisher, a darpa veteran, says a modern car is really a computer on wheels. Youve seen the ads of your gps or smart phone linked to the dashboard. But this way, your car could be hacked and taken over remotely. Here we go they showed us. Fisher you might look at the dashboard there. Stahl what am i looking at . Oh ready, lesley . Fisher all right stahl this is a regular new car. The masking tape is only there because we agreed to obscure its make and model. Kaufman well give them the illusion they control the car, for now. Stahl kaufman has been working on this for five years with multiple research teams. Kaufman we want to hit the fluids . Stahl oh, my gosh. Kaufman there we go. There we go. Stahl whats that . Whats that . Whats that . Fisher thats the windshield wiper fluid. Stahl no, wait. Is. So this is something that a hacker. Fisher thats right. A hacker. Obviously, you didnt turn on the windshield wipers. Stahl i did nothing. Using a laptop, the hacker dialed the cars emergency Communication System and transmitted a series of tones that flooded it with data. As the cars computer tried sorting it out, the hacker inserted an attack that reprogrammed the software, gaining total remote control. car horn blowing oh, my god. Fisher the horn. Stahl theyre doing that . Fisher theyre doing the horn. Stahl they could control the gas, the acceleration . They could control the braking . Fisher thats right. Thats right. Stahl and they could do this from anywhere in the world. Kaufman when they come out, and they are facing straight there, like away from us, just saying. Aha kaufman thats right. Well just slam on the brakes. Yeah, sure. Stahl oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. And theyre stuck. Kaufman she is. She is stuck dead. Yeah. Stahl oh, my god. That was terrifying, actually. Fisher so, now, lets make another loop around. Stahl okay. Fisher so just stop at the cones here. Kaufman she thinks shes going to be able to stop right at those cones. Lets make sure that she cant and shes going to drive right through them. All right. Kaufman well have complete control of that braking. Here we go. Stahl oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Fisher brakes didnt work, right . Stahl i cannot. Oh, my god. I cant operate the brakes at all. Oh, my word. That is frightening. Car hacked this way, security cameras have shown cars burglarized by hackers unlocking doors. You can find software to do that online for 25. All this has alarmed senator ed markey. In february, he is released a scathing report revealing that nearly all new cars can be hacked, but that only two out of what the Theft Program does is unlock the cars doors. Stahl darpa researchers got involved in hacking cars and the internet of things. Patrick, are you really trying to hack into it . Patrick yes, i am. Stahl . In an effort to invent unhackable code for military drones. And is your goal to do it for drones, and then have it apply to cars and my refrigerator and things like that. Kaufman exactly right. I think that when darpas at its very best, were solving a specific problem for the military i want to make sure their systems are safe. But i would like everything to be safe. Stahl and now, darpa dan is trying to reinvent search engines. Traffickers who sell weapons or young girls online remain largely hidden from authorities. Kaufman and his team set out to remedy that. First, they studied the time consuming way Law Enforcement agents bust sex Trafficking Networks by clicking on one sex ad or link at a time on commercial search engines. Kaufman and we watched, and they did what youd think. You know, they put an address of a massage parlor or something, and then theyd write it down on a yellow stickie, and then theyd try to build in each to each to each. And we looked at that, and we said, there has to be a better way. Stahl especially considering that google and bing dont penetrate the dark web, where most illegal goods are advertised and sold. So darpa invented memex, with which you can click just one button and all the Hidden Information scattered deep in the web about an Illicit Activity is pulled together and revealed. So the. Youre building the network. Chris White Building the network, thats right. Stahl chris white, who invented memex, showed us how, in the case of sex trafficking, it can comb through all the sex ads online over 60 million and identify hundreds of names and numbers that link together and makeup an entire trafficking ring. How long did it take memex to figure this out . White instantaneously. Stahl darpas inventions can take over a decade before they are transplanted from the military into the broader market. But not in this case. Cyrus vance, jr. we started using memex about a year ago, in january of 2014. Stahl Manhattan District Attorney cyrus vance, jr. , says new york is one of several cities already deploying memex to find sex traffickers. Vance we have 20 open investigations in which we are using the memex tools and eight open indictments. Stahl memex is so effective, the white house has asked to see if it could be used to monitor isis. A downside is that memex could also invade our privacy. So, what do you do . You throw this out there, and it can do many good things, but theres the dark side. Kaufman theres always a dark side, and its something we wrestle with tremendously. Our job is, a, to sort of say, this is what it is. Lets decide how do we want to use it. And then, two, with some of the new programs were working on just beginning now, are there ways that i can get in here and still protect your privacy . Stahl how much of your time is spent inventing things for the n. S. A. . Kaufman almost none, actually. Stahl because a lot of this stuff could be used by them. Kaufman yes. Stahl he cant control how his inventions will be used. These arent video games, after all. But when it comes to beating the hackers out there, dan kaufman has total confidence. Are you worried at all that by showing us all the new wowiedoo things youre working on, that youre going to give car thieves an idea, or youre going to give someone who wants to break into my refrigerator an idea, or a terrorist an idea . Kaufman i think they have lots of ideas on their own. And what i want them to know is that theres somebody smart on the other side whos going to make that way harder. I want to make them think twice. 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Tell your doctor if you have any side effect that bothers you or does not go away. Stop toe tucking. And get the drop on toenail fungus. Ask your doctor today about kerydin. Duke university celebrated another National Title this year, with an impressive win over wisconsin in the ncaa basketball tournament. But nine years ago, there was little to celebrate at duke, when its Athletic Program found itself in the middle of a firestorm. Three star lacrosse players on their no. 1 ranked team were accused of rape. It took more than a year for the case to unravel, the three players to be declared innocent, and the District Attorney who led the charge against them to be disbarred. As we reported earlier this year, a forgotten chapter of that story is what happened to the blue devils head coach at the time, Mike Pressler. The reigning National Coach of the year, pressler was the only person at duke to lose his job as a result of the scandal. Pressler had never spoken at length about what happened to him at duke the rush to judgment that has left a mark on his life to this day. Mike pressler google up one of the boys names, my name, and then, you know, on the computer you. You saw the word rape, Sexual Assault next to your name. That just was. Even today, i get emotional about it. Right now, as i speak to you, armen, im getting angry over that. Keteyian on march 13, 2006, the Duke Lacrosse Team held an offcampus party at this house which included alcohol and two strippers, one who later claimed she was attacked and raped in a bathroom. When pressler, then in his 16th season at duke, found out about the party and the womans claims, he confronted his captains. Pressler i asked each one of them to their face, one at a time. The astonishment on their face. And when you know your people, i knew exactly from their reaction to the allegations this was absolutely untrue. Keteyian the problem was, few others did. This is how the late ed bradley described the media storm surrounding the duke rape case here on 60 minutes. Bradley the District Attorney, mike nifong, took to the airwaves, giving dozens of interviews, expressing with absolute certainty that duke lacrosse players had committed a horrific crime. Mike nifong theres no doubt in my mind that she was raped and assaulted at this location. Bradley his comments fueled explosive News Coverage and fed public suspicion of the team before much of the evidence was gathered. D. A. Nifong referred to the lacrosse players as a bunch of hooligans whose daddies could buy them expensive lawyers. Keteyian when mike nifong starts to bring race, using words like hooligans and a wall of silence from a team that wasnt being silent, what are you thinking . Pressler you could just see that they were. There was a different agenda for. For these folks. Keteyian nifong was in the midst of a tight election campaign. He fed the growing race and class divide long simmering in durham, refusing to consider any evidence that didnt fit his narrative of the players guilt. Nifong i am not going to allow durhams view in the mind of the world to be a bunch of lacrosse players from duke raping a black girl in durham Chris Kennedy it was transparently obvious that nothing had happened. Keteyian Chris Kennedy is the Senior Deputy director of athletics at duke, where hes been on staff since 1977, and hasnt forgotten the mob mentality on campus that spring. Kennedy a sizable portion of people in the university had turned their backs on those kids, and believed the most heinous crimes had been committed. Keteyian at its worst, how bad was it . Kennedy other than the death of my wife, its the worst thing ive ever been through. It was painful because you had 46 kids who were really suffering who knew for a long period of time that two, three, four, some number were going to be indicted based on no evidence whatsoever. Imagine the stress of that on the kids and on their parents and everything. Justice will be done, rapist keteyian pressler soon found the stress bearing down on his team bleeding into his personal life, exposing his wife and two young daughters, janet and maggie, to the hatred drowning his team. You get an email from a certain duke student. What if your daughter, janet, was next . Pressler that was the first time where i just really got. I think the word enraged, you know. We got to stop this one, this. This is over the top. Keteyian to ease his anger, pressler told us he spent endless hours, both day and night, walking through duke forest near his home, literally screaming at the trees. Pressler right now, as i go through this. On this walk, stuffs coming back to me now that i havent thought about since that day. The emotion, rage. Keteyian his return with us marked the first time hed been back in nine years. Pressler you wake up in the morning. Therell be signs on your front. In our front porch. You know, id. Id get up at 5 00 a. M. To take those signs down, because i didnt want the girls to see those things. Keteyian what did they say, mike . Pressler you know, one was. That just tore me apart rapist lover. You know, another one, do your duty. Turn them in, those things, those kind of things. And you know, thats very hurtful. I dont care if its ten years ago or ten minutes ago, it never leaves you. Keteyian three weeks into the scandal, pressler reached a crossroads stand by his players, or save himself and his career. Pressler i was actually advised early on to distance myself from them and. And at that time, i. That was, like, blasphemy. You. Youre telling me that . We dont run. We dont quit, you know. Thats not how were made. You finish. You sign on, you finish what you start at all costs, you know. Thats it, you finish it. Keteyian the word that comes up time and time and time again with you is loyalty. Why is that word so important to you . Pressler its everything. Its. Its everything. And without that, as a man, you have nothing. Keteyian with the rape scandal at full boil here at duke, pressler was summoned to the office of thenathletic director joe alleva, where he was issued an ultimatum resign immediately or risk being fired. So pressler resigned, the sacrificial lamb needed to appease protestors and protect the schools goldplated image. Chris kennedy, dukes Senior Deputy director of athletics, spoke with us recently over the objections of administrators at his university, who told kennedy it was not in dukes interest or his to talk to us on camera. Kennedy i think that, in some quarters of the university administration, there was some belief that this may have happened. And that if thats the case, they had to respond. Keteyian but it turns out nothing did happen. Kennedy correct. Keteyian and mikes the only one to lose his job over this. Kennedy correct. Keteyian and as we sit here nine years later, what do you think of that . Kennedy i think that a lot of officials at the university have come to the realization, or came to the realization within a year or so, that probably mike shouldnt have lost his job. Pressler you got to run to the outside keteyian but he did. Almost overnight, the reigning National Coach of the year had become toxic, an untouchable in the world of college lacrosse. Pressler applied, and was turned down, for Volunteer High School positions. But he still hadnt hit rock bottom. That happened at his alma mater, washington and lee, where pressler had been the captain of both the lacrosse and football teams. What happens there . Pressler you know, wouldnt even interview. Get an interview on campus. They met me at a rest stop in lynchburg, virginia. Keteyian youre at a rest stop. Pressler yeah, rest stop. Keteyian . Like youre a fugitive from justice or something. Pressler was not allowed to interview on campus. Keteyian did you get to the point where you thought, im never going to coach again. Im going to have to think of doing Something Else with my life . Pressler i did for a little bit during that time. But then, this hits me like a lightning bolt today. If i dont coach again, theyve won, and they were not going to win. Keteyian some 700 miles away in smithfield, rhode island, Bryant University president ron machtley was in the midst of rebuilding his athletic department. He did something no one else had done he listened and started searching for the truth. Ron machtley we read a number of documents in the papers, and we followed up and talked to former coaches at various places. And what i heard consistently was that mike was a standup coach. He was a great coach. And he had gotten himself into a firestorm in which duke treated him very badly. Keteyian where others saw risk, machtley saw opportunity. He hired pressler in august of 2006 to take over a nondescript division ii program. Pressler everybody got caught up in the roman numeral, you know, division one, how could you take a divisiontwo job . Coaching for me has always been pure. The roman numeral never mattered. The limelight never mattered. I didnt get into this for any of that. Keteyian if pressler knew one thing, it was how to build a winner. At bryant, that meant drastic measures. Pressler and ill never forget 77 kids tried out, and we ran a 5k. And i said, if i beat any one of you, youre cut on the spot. Let an old man beat you . So, i beat 15 of them. And those 15 walked off the field never to be seen in bryant lacrosse. We had to change the culture. And we a. We had to come with a work ethic, a toughness. Its like twohand touch out there keteyian now in his ninth season at bryant, pressler has matched that toughness and work ethic with relentless preparation and unfiltered honesty. Pressler this is physical bryant lacrosse. Nobody runs down the gut and lives to play another day on the wings for the bulldogs. Keteyian his leadership has turned a division ii afterthought into a legitimate top 20 division i program. Last year, his bulldogs reached the quarterfinals in the ncaa tournament after knocking off number two seed and 11time National Champion syracuse. And the bulldogs stun the orange keteyian . In what was called the biggest upset in the history of the tournament. Mike, for you, was there a little of, hello. Im Mike Pressler and im back. Pressler i think there was a little bit of that, just a little. You know, the reaction from my girls when i got home and the emotion of that, and maggie said, dad, youre back. Keteyian this march, pressler was back on a North Carolina lacrosse field for the First Time Since the spring of 2006. His bryant bulldogs faced off against the university of North Carolina, ranked second in the country. On paper, presslers Team Appeared overmatched. But bryant gave the tar heels all they could handle before falling by a single goal in the closing minutes. Pressler you know what . That is the bryant team ive been waiting to see for the last six games. Keteyian loyalty and respect are the links that tie pressler to his current and former players. Several from the 2006 duke team, including some who were caught up in the controversy, have gone so far as to donate funds to bryants program. cheers and applause given bryants rise, it should come as no surprise that presslers turned down more money from a half dozen elite programs. Pressler we got better today. Keteyian . Who have long since forgotten about duke. Machtley and i know every year since that case was dismissed, big schools have come to him and said, well pay you three times. Well give you camps. Well give you the perks. Youll have the beautiful locker room campus environment that you cant get at a small school like bryant. And hes never come to me and said, ron, can you match this offer . He has made a commitment to stay here and that kind of loyalty, which he showed to his team and which his team ultimately showed back to him, is something thats very rare in society today. Keteyian youve stayed. Pressler i didnt bat an eye. No. No, thank you. Keteyian why . Pressler got to go back to the events of the summer of 06. You know, for me to turn and and leave a place and the administration that has given me and my family so much, and to go do it somewhere else, i couldnt live with myself. ,,,,,,,, stahl the book was an italian edition of John Steinbecks classic, the grapes of wrath, that tells the story of a family of migrants fleeing oklahomas dust bowl. The plight of migrants has been a cause close to francis heart. One viewer took us to task for being indiscreet, reporting the popes attitude about security. But then there was this steve krofts interview with irans president Hassan Rouhani also prompted viewers to write. Im lesley stahl. Well be back next week with another edition of 60 minutes. And tomorrow, be sure to watch cbs this morning. Captioning funded by cbs and ford capti,,,,,,,, sizzling man whispers indistinctly blipping