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Minutes has been looking into lumber liquidator, americas largest and fastestgrowing retailer of Hardwood Flooring after getting a tip that their chinesemade lamb nantes flooring contained unsafe levels of a cancercausing chemical. It was so high, in fact, that one of our test labs thought their machine was broken. Cooper the lab itself . It hit the upper limit of the radar gun and they thought it was broken. Rose this is what everybody that is watching this wants to know. Yeah. Rose who is larry david . This guy, hes. You are too much, mr. Rose. Rose why . Why . Youre probing. Rose because we want to know who you are. Im a jerk. Thats who i am. Lets stop talking about me. Thats why i didnt want to do this interview in the first place. I didnt want to talk to 60 minutes. I didnt want to do it because i knew you would be asking questions like this. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im anderson cooper. Im bill whitaker. Im charlie rose. Im scott pelley. 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Making matters worse, appeals to the federal agency in charge of all of this, fema, went nowhere. Hurricane sandy damaged or destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes and rearranged neighborhoods. Long beach, new york, was one of them. This was bob kaibles house the next day. The yellow one, with a sand dune blocking his front door. Kaible the beaches decided that they didnt want to be there anymore and they came to pay a visit. And thats what happened. And we got back to the house and we were devastated. Alfonsi what was that like to walk into your house for the first time . Kaible everything that you worked so hard in your life to get is now gone. Alfonsi but you had Flood Insurance. Kaible uhhuh. Alfonsi youd pay for every month. Kaible absolutely. Alfonsi did you think you were okay . Kaible sure. I mean, thats what you pay insurance for. Alfonsi the city condemned kaibles home, saying it was damaged beyond repair. The house had been knocked off its foundation. His Insurance Company wright flood sent an engineer to inspect the damage. Three weeks later, the kaibles couldnt have been more surprised. Kaible i get the engineering report that theres no structural damage to the house. So im going like, what do you mean theres no structural damage . The house is not what it was before. So between my wife and myself we made about 30 to 40 phone calls to different people the adjuster, the Engineering Firm to our Flood Insurance carrier. Alfonsi what are you trying to get from them . Kaible just that this report is wrong. Wed like to get another engineer back. Alfonsi the Insurance Company agreed to send someone back out to the house. Surprisingly, it was the same engineer, george hernemar, who worked for a Company Called u. S. Forensic. Kaible i said, george, how could you write a report like that . He goes, its not my report. I said, whatwhat do you mean its not your report . He says, wait here. He goes to the trunk of his car, goes, picks up the report and brings it into the house. He says, this is the report i wrote. Alfonsi bob kaible got out his phone and took a picture of georges original report. It plainly said there was structural damage to the house. But this is the report the Insurance Company sent to kaible when they denied his claim. Not structurally damaged. They said the damage was long term meaning it existed before Hurricane Sandy. The kaibles Insurance Company wright flood, the largest provider of Flood Insurance in the country, paid him just 79,000 of his 250,000 policy. Kaible we had a mortgage on the house. Ive had estimates of 300,000 to 350,000 to rebuild the house. What am i gonna do . Alfonsi bob kaibles house was torn down after he sold it for a loss, and he believes it was because of a falsified engineering report. The photo kaible took was solid proof for many other sandy victims who were struggling with similar situations. How many houses do you see that are empty . Kaible on this block . Probably half of them. Alfonsi the kaibles pleaded to a Vice President at their Insurance Company and passed on their evidence. But the company denied full payment, arguing subsequent reports supported them. With frustration as high as the water marks in their home, the kaibles filed a lawsuit. That suit drew the attention of a texas trial lawyer who had never been to long beach, but got on his plane in a hurry. Steve mostyn has won billions fighting Insurance Companies and when he heard about bob kaibles case, he says he had a gut feeling the kaible family wasnt alone. Sure enough, he says, his Houston Office is now flooded with paperwork from victims of the superstorm. Mostyn theres been systematic fraud on the policy holders whove filed flood claims from sandy. Alfonsi whats the fraud . Mostyn the fraud is taking engineers reports and changing them from saying there was structural damage to saying theres no structural damage, or giving the engineers a form to fill out that already has the conclusion of no structural damage. Alfonsi why would anyone do that . Mostyn save money. The biggest ticket item inside a claim, for a flood claim, is the structural damage. And so when they dont pay for structural damage, they save hundreds of thousands of dollars on each claim. Alfonsi of the thousands of cases lawyer steve mostyn says hes found, electrician john mero and his wife gails is the most revealing. Their house is in east rockaway, new york. What was this street like in the days. The day after sandy . Gail mero sixfoothigh water in the street. John mero well, the day after, it was like armageddon. Alfonsi the meros house had to be torn down after the storm. Their Insurance Company paid them just 80,000. And now theyre buried in debt after rebuiling their home. John mero i was like, how can you tell me that youre not gonna cover this, that im not gonna get the full amount of my insurance . I says. You got my payments every month. Said its time for you to pay and heres what youre gonna tell me. Alfonsi it was two years later that the meros felt a second wave hit them, when the engineer who assessed their home after the storm called them out of the blue. John mero the engineer sent his report in to the Insurance Company saying that the house was damaged due to flood. The structural damage is caused by the flood. And from what i understand, the Insurance Company changed it changed his words, without him knowing. Alfonsi this is andrew braum, the engineer who could no longer stay silent. Braum i wanted to call them from day one. I wanted to tell them that this is not me, i didnt do this. Alfonsi braum told us not only were changes made to his engineering reports, but he was asked to cover it up. He showed us the original report hed written about the damage to john and gail meros house. Braum we assess in the conclusions hydrodynamic forces, hydrostatic forces, due to the flood, caused a cracking and shifting throughout the foundation. Alfonsi so youre saying the flood caused this damage . Braum correct. And then, in the revised or the altered report, it says, settlement due to consolidation of soil caused the Foundation Wall to crack. Thats not what i wrote; its completely altered. Alfonsi braum inspected more than 180 homes after sandy working for a Company Called hi rise engineering. After he discovered the changes made to the report he wrote about the meros home, he went back to check all the copies of his original reports against the final copies that the homeowners received. How many of those reports were doctored . Braum at least 175 of them or approximately 96 , is the number that i calculated. Alfonsi 175 of your reports were doctored . Braum correct. They were altered. Alfonsi and the ones that werent changed . Braum the ones that werent changed, interestingly, were ones where i recommended that no repairs are required. Alfonsi braum says hirise engineering pressured him to sign an affidavit saying he agreed with their final reports. He says he ignored the request and never did it. Do you think they were trying to cover up something . Braum now knowing what i know, yes. Alfonsi what do you think was going on . Braum they figured out that they altered all those reports. And they wanted to hurry up and have. They called me braum braum, get braum to sign off on this quick. So if braum wasnt thinking or if braum didnt care, he would just sign his name 200something times, and they were off the hook. And that wasnt happening with me. Alfonsi Insurance Companies have argued the reason the engineering reports were changed was to allow for a peer review process, a Standard Practice in the insurance industry. Braum peer review to me would be amongst my peers of an equal licensing or education level and review a report and discuss it. But not peer review when i send my final report and its changed without my knowledge. Thats not peer review. Alfonsi just days ago, the offices of hirise engineering were raided by the new York Attorney generals office, which is conducting a criminal investigation into hirise as well as the Insurance Companies that hired them. Hirise, wright flood, and u. S. Forensic all declined our requests for an interview. They have denied allegations of criminal activity and all three say they are cooperating with the investigation. More than 2,000 sandy victims have filed lawsuits in federal courts. Mostyn you know we thought originally it might be one engineer, right . And then we find multiple engineers inside the same company. And as we dug into it, its other engineering companies. Well, then you gotta start looking for a different common denominator. Alfonsi and in this case all of those companies are overseen by fema, the federal Emergency Management agency. More than five million homeowners living in designated flood zones all around the country are required to buy Flood Insurance policies backed by fema and taxpayer money. Brad kieserman is the new head of femas flood program. On the job for about three weeks, hes already had to answer to allegations of fraud and criminal activity at the expense of some of sandys hardesthit families. Kieserman im not gonna sit here and conceal the fact that it happened. Because in the last three weeks, ive seen evidence of it. Alfonsi you say youve seen evidence of these fraudulent reports. Kieserman yes. Alfonsi youve seen evidence of what could be criminal activity by using unlicensed engineers . Kieserman yes, which is why i referred it to the inspector general. Alfonsi when did fema learn that there may be a problem here, that fraudulent reports may be used to deny claims . Kieserman i think that there were signals. Based on what ive seen, if you will, signals in late 2013 early 2014 that there were problems that our survivors were experiencing with engineering, with the claims process, with appeals. But those were signals. And i think those signals got louder, if you will. Alfonsi it was more than signals. This is. This is a letter to fema in the summer of 2013 that clearly says that the person conducting, doing the inspections here wasnt a licensed engineer. This is to fema. Kieserman so. Alfonsi . Inin the summer of 2013. Kieserman so. Youre right. This is dated august 19, 2013. And, you know, ive seen this. Alfonsi the document, sent to fema, was an appeal from another family who felt badly cheated by their Insurance Company. In it they provide proof that the engineer who inspected their home, working for the firm u. S. Forensic, was not licensed to work in new york. Kieserman this upset me very much. Because this piece of information, had it been elevated in the agency, would have been very helpful in helping us help people earlier. Alfonsi why wasnt it elevated in the agency . I mean, this to me is the type of thing you run to the boss with. Kieserman this would be the type of thing that i would run to the boss with. And i need to find out why that didnt happen. Alfonsi but as far as you know, no one at fema ever said to the Insurance Companies, ever said to the engineering companies, keep the claims down . Kieserman as far as i know no one at fema has ever done that. Alfonsi but lawyers paid for by fema have gone after sandy survivors in court, accusing them of fraud. Bob kaible, who took the photo of his altered engineering report, was accused in court of stealing the report done on his own home, which he denies. We have homeowners who went through the appeals process. And the attorneys who are being paid for by fema called them thieves, said they were trying to conduct fraud. Those are your dogs at the end of the leash. Do you take any responsibility for that . Kieserman yes, i take responsibility for the fact that when fema funds activities, the people who are getting paid by those funds need to behave in a professional, ethical manner. Alfonsi twoandahalf years after sandy, neighborhoods still bare the scars of the storm, but settlement talks are now underway. A week ago, femas Brad Kieserman and a team of attorneys flew to texas to meet with steve mostyn to begin negotiations to settle more than 2,000 sandy claims. These people are Truck Drivers nurses, firefighters. They said they fought as much as they could. And they feel like fema just gutted them. They just gutted them. Kieserman the fact that thats the experience they had with their Insurance Companies their engineers, their adjusters in a femafunded program, thats unacceptable. Alfonsi so are you going to make it right . Kieserman i am. As you know, im doing everything i can in the midst of negotiations to try to make that right. Lets face it, i dont have unlimited authority. I cant wave a magic wand and make all of this right for everyone. Alfonsi making it right for every victim of the fraud in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy is the goal of oversight hearings that senators gillibrand and schumer of new york and menendez and booker of new jersey plan to call for tomorrow. Cbs money watch update sponsored by glor good evening. Iran says it would allow google and other Internet Companies currently banned if they respected cultural rules. Samsung launched its newest smartphones, the galaxy s6 and the s6 edge. And a massachusetts couple has delivered boxes of snow to 160 customers in 23 states. Im jeff glor, cbs news. They call these sandwiches . This is a sandwich. Introducing the new subway turkey italiano melt. Tender ovenroasted turkey breast. Robust genoa salami. Smoky, spicy pepperoni. 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Cooper Lumber Liquidators is the largest and fastestgrowing retailer of Hardwood Flooring in north america, with over 360 stores in 46 states and revenues of more than a billion dollars a year. But hardwood isnt the only product they sell. More than 100 million square feet of the companys cheaper laminate flooring is installed in American Homes every year. Lumber liquidators is a u. S. Company, but much of its laminate flooring is made in china, and as we discovered during our investigation, may fail to meet health and Safety Standards because it contains high levels of formaldehyde, a known cancercausing chemical. Lumber liquidators insists its chinesemade laminate flooring is safe, but it doesnt appear that way based on what we learned from our own reporting and from the work of people like denny larson. You want the company to remove all the flooring . Larson every single board. At their cost and replace it with clean flooring. Cooper how much is that gonna cost . Larson you know what . I dont care. Because theyre guilty of selling people product that could make them sick. Cooper these worried california homeowners, who didnt want to be identified arent waiting for Lumber Liquidators. They are ripping up their floors now. But many cant afford to replace the flooring on their own. Larson they dont know what to do. They have flooring that they think is making them sick. Cooper denny larson, who is executive director of a Nonprofit Group called Global Community monitor, teamed up with richard drury, a prominent environmental attorney, to test Lumber Liquidators chinesemade laminate flooring. Do you have any idea how much of this wood is in peoples homes right now . Drury we believe there are probably tens of thousands of households in california that have installed Lumber Liquidators chinese laminates that may exceed formaldehyde standards. Cooper nationwide . Drury nationwide, its probably hundreds of thousands. Cooper drury and larson bought more than 150 boxes of laminate flooring at stores around california and sent them to three certified labs for a series of tests. The results . While laminate flooring from home depot and lowes had acceptable levels of formaldehyde, as did Lumber Liquidators americanmade laminates, every single sample of chinesemade laminate flooring from Lumber Liquidators failed to meet california formaldehyde emissions standards, many by a large margin. Drury the average level in Lumber Liquidators products that we found was over six to seven times above the state standard for formaldehyde. And we found some that were close to 20 times above the level thats allowed to be sold. Cooper that sounds like a huge amount. Drury its a startling amount. It was so high, in fact, that one of our test labs thought their machine was broken. Cooper the lab itself thought. Larson it hit the upper limit on the radar gun. And they thought it was broken. Philip landrigan its not a safe level, its a level that the u. S. E. P. A. Calls polluted indoor conditions. Cooper would you want that in your home . Landrigan no. Cooper dr. Philip landrigan of new yorks mt. Sinai hospital specializes in environmental pediatrics and exposure to toxic chemicals. Hes talking about the results of another kind of test drury and larson conducted measuring the concentration of formaldehyde emissions coming off the laminates into the air of a typical home. Landrigan i would say long term exposure at that level would be risky because it would increase the risk for chronic respiratory irritation, change in a persons lung function, increased risk of asthma. Its not going to produce symptoms in everyone, but children will be the people most likely to show symptoms at that sort of level. Cooper children are featured prominently in Lumber Liquidators ads, and the company likes to promote the donations of flooring they make to habitat for humanity, Ronald Mcdonald house charities, schools, and community centers. Trust the people over two millions families trust. The flooring experts at Lumber Liquidators. Cooper and on their website, Lumber Liquidators promises that all of their flooring meets or exceeds rigorous emissions standards. And they say we not only comply with laws, we exceed them. Is that true . Drury that is not a true statement. Cooper is it legal to sell these boxes of wood in california . Drury no, it is not. It is illegal to sell these boxes of wood in california. We hope that they will not sell these products anywhere in the nation, because they are above the healthbased standards that the state law has set. Cooper drury and larson, who are backed by short sellers a group of wall Street Investors who are betting the company is overvalued have sued Lumber Liquidators, accusing them of violating californias toxic warning statute. Drury has also launched a Class Action Lawsuit against the company. It is legal for flooring to contain formaldehyde. The chemical is present in some of the cheap glues used in factories like this one in china. This footage was recorded by investigators hired by 60 minutes. Formaldehyde is in the glues used to bind wood particles together to make the core boards in laminate flooring. The laminated top, which covers the core board, keeps most of the formaldehyde emissions trapped inside. But formaldehyde does leak into the air. How much is inhaled by homeowners depends on how much formaldehyde is in the glue and how much ventilation is in the home. Larson youre in a chamber so youre living with it. Youre sleeping in there. And youre constantly exposed. Thats the threat. The constant exposure to a potent carcinogen over a long period of time. Cooper because formaldehyde can cause Myeloid Leukemia and nasopharengeal cancer at high levels and respiratory issues as well as eye, nose, and throat irritation at even low levels, california has strict standards for how much of the chemical the core boards in laminate flooring can emit. Every box of laminate flooring Lumber Liquidators sells carries this label, stating its carb phase two compliant. Carb is an acronym for the California Air Resources Board which sets strict standards for formaldehyde emissions in wood flooring. Congress adopted californias limits when it passed the formaldehyde standards act in 2010. That law is scheduled to take effect nationwide this year. Drury and larson only had wood tested that was being sold in california. But we wondered if the chinese made laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is selling nationwide also has high levels of formaldehyde. So we went to stores in virginia. Florida. Texas. Illinois. And new york. And bought 31 boxes of it. We sent the samples for testing at two certified labs. It turns out of the 31 samples of chinesemade laminate flooring, only one was compliant with formaldehyde emissions standards. Some were more than 13 times over the california limit. Both labs told us they had never seen formaldehyde levels that high. But when we took those test results to Lumber Liquidators founder and chairman tom sullivan, he refused to accept the methodology as valid and points out the company is not required by law to test their finished products like we did. Sullivan its not a real world test of the laminate; its not the way its used. Cooper you say you dont believe in this test, but what you believe doesnt really matter its what carb believes. And they believe in this test. Sullivan we will do whatever the regulations are. Cooper i just dont understand how a group can do tests on your chinesemade laminates and every single one of those failed to meet the emissions standards. Sullivan people have Different Reasons for this test. This is a group of lawyers who are suing us selling short on our stock. Cooper but the short sellers are not conducting this test its these certified labs. Sullivan but it started with short sellers. Cooper one of the first people to raise questions about Lumber Liquidators back in 2013 was Whitney Tilson, a wall street hedge fund manager. He has shorted the companys stock but is not involved in any lawsuits against it. Tilson in 16 years of professional money management, ive seen hundreds of companies do all sorts of bad things to get their stock prices up. But this has got to be the worst. Cooper Whitney Tilson studies the workings of companies hes interested in investing in and he noticed the Profit Margins at Lumber Liquidators seemed unusually high compared to its competitors. Tilson when you see a commodity business suddenly double its Profit Margins, that raises red flags. Cooper because its hard to have your profit margin double in two years . Tilson exactly. Its almost unprecedented for a company. Cooper based on those profits, Lumber Liquidators stock price had gone from 13 a share in 2011 to 119 in 2013. Tilson suspected the Company Might be breaking the law. He learned they were under federal investigation for allegedly buying timber illegally logged in russia. U. S. Agents had raided Lumber Liquidators headquarters in september 2013. The Company Denies buying illegally logged wood but announced just this week the department of justice may file criminal charges against them. Six months after he bet millions the stock would go down, Whitney Tilson got tipped off by someone familiar with Lumber Liquidators operations in china, who said he was missing the bigger story. Tilson the much bigger story, he said, is that Lumber Liquidators was almost certainly purchasing formaldehydetainted laminate flooring in china. Cooper why would Lumber Liquidators purchase wood thats tainted with formaldehyde . Tilson the answer is greed. Plain and simple. Its cheaper and net it reduces the cost by about ten percent. Cooper which in a business with these kinds of Profit Margins, ten percent means its a lot of money . Tilson its enormous. Sullivan our goal is to sell a good product at a good price. And we dont get the price by skimping on anything. We get the price by low overhead, huge volume and being very efficient at what we do. And were never gonna sell something unsafe. Cooper do you trust your mills in china . Sullivan we do. We have inspectors that double check them. The mills are licensed by california. The chinese mills we deal with in the laminates are licensed by california. Cooper when you say its licensed by california, what that really means is california says this mill is capable of making carb two compliant product. California is not saying every piece. Every product coming out of this mill is carb two compliant. Sullivan but our specs are to make it to california standards. Cooper but for months, we had been hearing from former Lumber Liquidators employees suppliers, and industry competitors that their chinese made laminates are not being made to california standards. So we sent our investigators undercover to the city of changzhou, the laminate flooring capital of the world. Posing as buyers, and using hidden cameras, the investigators visited three different mills that manufacture laminates for Lumber Liquidators. Employees at the mills openly admitted that they use core boards with higher levels of formaldehyde to make Lumber Liquidators laminates, saving the company ten to 15 on the price. At all three mills they also admitted falsely labeling the companys laminate flooring as carb two, meaning it meets california formaldehyde emissions standards, and the new u. S. Federal law. At this factory, the general manager told investigators Lumber Liquidators is one of their biggest customers. For Lumber Liquidators . Yeah . Yeah. How long have you been selling this . From last year. Is this carb two . Cooper carb 2 means its compliant with california law. But listen to what the general manager told us. Cooper and thats the same thing the Undercover Team was told at all three mills they visited. Cooper remember, Lumber Liquidators founder and chairman tom sullivan says that he trusts the chinese mills his company uses. Employees at all three mills told us the laminates they make are not carb two compliant. I want you to look at this. We shared some of our hidden camera footage with him. Sullivan i dont know the whole situation here. I will guarantee well be in that mill tomorrow and test it. And that is not anything we can condone in any way, to save a cent. Cooper this concerns you . Sullivan yeah, yeah, of course. Cooper is this acceptable to you . Sullivan if its true, no. Cooper all three mills told us they falsely label your products as carb two compliant thats cheating. Sullivan that would be if thats true. Cooper nobodys ever reported this to you . Sullivan again, we will investigate it. If there is anything going on, we will stop it immediately. I dont know if its true or not. I dont know what the whole story is, but we will investigate it immediately. Cooper it certainly calls into question not just these mills, but it calls into question your oversight of these mills. 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Rose the hottest ticket on broadway right now is a comedy called fish in the dark, written by and starring larry david. Hes famous for playing a crusty curmudgeon on the Television Show curb your enthusiasm, and for being the cocreator of seinfeld, where a lot of the jokes came from real life larry david experiences. Now, hes playing another character that walks and talks like larry david. As youll see, with actors and comedians, you never quite know where the act stops and the real person begins. Davids friends, for instance, say hes a sweetheart. He says thats just an act, the nice guy act. Who is he . Thats what we wanted to find out. This is what everybody that is watching this wants to know. Larry david yeah. Rose who is larry david . David oh, this guy. Hes too much. Rose who is larry david . David you are too much, mr. Rose. Rose why . David huh . Rose why . David youre probing. What is the probe . Rose because we want to know who you are, i mean. David who the hell knows . I dont know. Rose but you do know. David like, what. Whatever youre seeing, thats who i am rose really . David yeah. Rose well, its not true. You told me you created a character. Its not you. Its who you might want to be but are not. Who are you . David im a jerk, thats who i am. Im like. Rose youre not thats an act david im like everybody else. Rose no, thats an act. David no, it isnt. Rose it really isnt . David no. Rose how are you a jerk . David oh, look, lets stop talking about me. I. Thats why i didnt want to do this interview in the first place. I had to be talked into 60 minutes. You think i wanted to do this . I didnt want to do it, because i knew youd be asking questions like this rose then whyd you do it . David they. They talked me into it, just like they talked me into the play rose oh, so youre a guy that you can be talked into things. David yes, hence the jerk. Rose you have no backbone. You have no capacity to say no. David no rose but the guy that you create would be able to say no. David there you go. Rose and theres your biggest hangup. David yep. Rose you cant say no, but you can create a character that can say no. David yeah. Rose youre not a jerk, but can create a character thats a jerk, but you dont have the courage to be a jerk. David thats perfect. Thats good. Thats good. I like that. How much you charge . Thats better than any therapy i ever got. Rose whoever he is, larry david attracts hardcore fans wholl wait for hours in bone cracking cold for a stagedoor glimpse of their hero. David look at you. Youre all prepared, huh . Goodbye. Rose the play begins a three month run this coming thursday. Advance ticket sales set a 15 million record, with the best seats priced at 425 each. So here we are backstage. David is a very fit 67 years old and, being the star of the show. David my own pants, my own jacket, my own shirt. Rose . He insisted on bringing his own clothes, for comforts sake. David it takes me a while to acclimate to new clothing. I dont know about you. Mom, are you crazy . Rose fish in the dark is a dark comedy about family dysfunction in typical larry david style. After his fathers death, Norman Drexel, davids character, fights with his mother, his brother, his wife, and the housekeeper over just about everything. David well, its not about me. But the character is very similar to me. Okay, its me, yeah. That was a wonderful, wonderful eulogy. Rose sometimes, his characters are so similar to the man its easy to get confused. David larry, larry . That is you hey rose on the hbo show curb your enthusiasm, his character was actually named larry david. He was politically incorrect, a bit of a jerk, and an equal opportunity offender. David let me ask you this question. Have you noticed if she has any proclivity for chopsticks . Jerry seinfeld if thats not that. What is that . Rose david and Jerry Seinfeld created one of the most successful sitcoms ever. And by his own admission, the character closest to davids heart was the wily weasel, george costanza. George costanza im going to slip him a mickey anna shapiro its not about where he can go to get the thing. Rose we asked the plays director, anna shapiro, about the many faces of larry david. Heres a guy who says he doesnt consider himself an actor, doesnt want to be an actor, has created two characters that he says are him. And then is going to play a character who he says is him. Shapiro hes a liar. Hes just lying. All those things, none of those things are true. He is an actor. They arent him. And hes actually a pretty good actor, and hes clearly interested in acting. David youre talking normal again. Shapiro . Because you dont do a play if youre not interested in acting. Its a very, very weird way. Its kind of a long way around to get a laugh. So i dont think its true. I think hes acting his head off. Larry you belong with us. Rose and acting is a very different animal from improvisation, making it up as you go along, which was the essence of his tv show curb your enthusiasm. Was that your dads doctor . Rose here, hes got to stick to the script, and remember it. Is the acting, does it worry you . Did you have trepidation of not being able to do it . David is that one of the great understatements of the century . Yeah. Rose of what . Forget your lines . Not know how to move . David all of it. Yes, everything. Oh, boy. Theyre right on it. Rose its a million miles from broadway to brooklyn and the Apartment Building where he grew up. He hadnt set foot in the place in half a century. David this was my apartment. This is where i grew up. And here, this is where my aunt and uncle and cousins grew up. Rose the current residents the galinskis, invited us in. David look at the size of our kitchen. Rose this is the point in most profiles where the subject is usually flooded with warm nostalgic memories. Well, curb your enthusiasm. Emotions . David not much. Nothing. Rose youve moved on. A place where your loving and wonderful mother raised you. Its where she made you, along with your father. David yeah, i feel nothing yeah. Rose you know, gave you the confidence to go out and be what you became . David oh, yeah. Oh sure. Yes. Rose dont you feel that . David nope. Nope. Rose it doesnt touch you . David nope. Completely devoid. Rose what kind of heart do you have . David im completely devoid of any feelings whatsoever at this moment. Rose the david apartment was a lot like seinfelds. Larry remembers a lot of relatives and friends constantly wandering in and out. All right rose . A lot of yelling and no privacy. David in the yearbook. Rose we moved on to Shell Bank Junior High for the story of his school days. David in Junior High School and high school, i did not participate in anything. Rose you didnt. David i didnt even know things were going on. By the way. Rose yes, you did. David . I didnt even know. I swear to you, i didnt even know there was a prom okay . Rose you didnt go to the prom . David not only did i not go, i didnt even know about it yeah, this is it. Rose this is the very spot where he made his only previous stage appearance at age 13, in the school play charlies aunt, wearing a dress. This is your class. Just look at this and tell me if you can find yourself. David oh, there . Rose oh, oh, oh, oh. You were a goodlooking kid. David cute, yes. Cute kid. Rose what would you have written for your caption at that time . David lost at sea, yeah. Rose did you feel lost at sea . David yeah, the prom story is true i didnt know there was a prom, so, you know. Rose that says a lot to me. David . That says a lot. Rose didnt know. David didnt know. Rose heres what they should have written about you. David out of it, yeah. Rose no. Didnt go, didnt know. David laughs thats it. Perfect, yeah. I wish i came up with that answer, yeah. Rose but he does concede that growing up in brooklyn gave him all sorts of material for later use. Some of it, very close to the bone. What did your mother want you to be . David a mailman. Rose a mailman . David yes. She wanted me to work in the post office. Rose because it was safe . David safe, yes. Secure paychecks. Rose pension. David yeah. That was her dream, by the way. You know, that wasnt just. That was a dream. It wasnt only because she said that; thats how i felt about it. I. Rose you had no reason to believe that you were going to be as successful as you wanted to be. David zero, zero belief in myself. And its changed somewhat, but theres still a lot of that in me. Rose getting out of the house, going to the university of maryland, lightened his mood. People actually enjoyed his emerging sense of humor. After college, he became friends with fellow funnyman richard lewis, and david started doing standup. But it was not his finest hour. David you know, when you do standup, there are certain requirements that you have to do, like you have to go on stage, and when you get introduced, you have to say hey, how ya doin . How are ya . I couldnt do it. Rose it was false for you. David it was false, i couldnt do it. Rose it is even said that sometimes you would take a look at the audience and not go on. David yeah, i did that once. I got up on stage and i kind of looked them over and i went, nah, i dont think so. And i left. Rose he survived along the way, as young entertainers do, with odd jobs. David paralegal. Rose chauffeur. David . Private chauffeur taxi driver. Rose taxi driver. David . Driver and. Rose bra salesman. David bra salesman, yeah. Mr. Farkus so, basically george, the job here is quite simple selling bras. Costanza well, that interests me very much, mr. Farkus. Very much indeed, sir. Rose and when seinfeld came along, who could tell the uplifting story of davids brief bra career better than his favorite jerk, george costanza. Costanza from the first time i laid eyes on a brassiere, i was enthralled. I knew i wanted to be around brassieres. Farkus thats an incredible story. Rose fortunately, larry david chose television over bras. It brought him fame and many millions of dollars, almost everything. Did it change you . David i mean, it gave me money. Rose yeah, of course it did. Lots of money. David but. But. Rose but confidence, a sense that. David it gave me something. Rose yeah david it gave me something that i didnt have, but not in the way that. That people think, that, oh, man, i just. Like a total transformation. Rose but then you tell me. David it wasnt that at all. I still, you know. To this day, i still couldnt walk up to a woman at a bar and say hello you know, so i dont have that. But i feel. Rose yes, you do. David no, i do not. Rose yes, you do. David oh, no rose you know why . David huh . Dont. I dont. Charlie, dont argue with me on this one, baby. laughter oh, hey. Hey, doc. Rose and so, larry david, or Norman Drexel or whoever he is prepares for opening night. And whether hes a jerk or not hes figured out one thing. What are you doing, giving me a tip . David yeah. Rose . Jerks make for great comedy. David i thought it was customary. I can assure you it is not customary. Rose his play starts with a man on his deathbed; we end on a similar light note. So, on your tombstone, first line is going to be writer . David oh, god. Oh, oh. I dont know. Writer, really . Is that what people put on tombstones, their occupation . Rose no, what they love. David oh, what they love. What they love . I like to watch tv, like. Rose here lies larry david. David yeah. Rose he liked to watch tv. Or here lies larry david. David yeah. Rose he liked to make people laugh. David oh, charlie. 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