Yes wildfires for many more months through the year than before the news from Washington d.c. a Federal judge late on Monday ruled that former White House counsel Dawn Meghann is required to respond to a subpoena from House committees conducting the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump in her ruling Judge Brown Jackson pointedly called Trump out writing quote presidents are not kings they do not have subjects bound by loyalty or blood whose destiny they're entitled to control Justice Department lawyers immediately moved to appeal the ruling and asked Judge Jackson to put her decision on hold McGann has said he is willing to comply with the ruling House committees hope that the ruling would sway Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton to testify but Bolton has joined another lawsuit by his former aide Charles Copperman saying that McGann's case did not include matters of national security that paralleled case continues to wind its way through courts the courts may be moving too slowly for House committees though as a report on the impeachment may be expected as early as next week according to Associated Press hundreds of pages from Democratic chairman Adam ships' Intelligence Committee well being compiled into an exhaustive report that will begin to outline what the president Donald Trump and gauged in treason bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors by withholding $400000000.00 in aid as he pushed Ukraine to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden. In another court ruling related to the impeachment inquiry a judge has are ordered the White House Office of Management and Budget to release documents related to the delay in military funds to Ukraine the documents in question are more than 200 pages of correspondence between the Pentagon the Pentagon's com crawler and the o.m.b. That are required to be released by mid December the ruling was in response to a lawsuit brought by the Center for Public Integrity new polls on impeachment showed that public support for removing the president from office remained steady at just under 50 percent a political morning consult poll on Tuesday concluded the 43 to 48 percent of the public support of the impeachment inquiry a new c.n.n. Poll found very similar results and in the latest chapter on the release of Trump's tax returns the Supreme Court has stepped in to block a ruling by an appeals court ordering masers International to hand over the returns to House committees the Supreme Court's actions came without comment and allows Trump's legal team until December 5th to submit their appeal the New York Times explained that quote The court could outs whether it will hear the case in the coming weeks and of a does issue a decision by June the House Oversight Committee has sued Attorney General William Barr and commerce secretary Wilbur Ross over their continued refusal to turn over documents related to decision making on the 2020 us census both bar and Ross have ignored all subpoenas from House committees to turn over documents and earlier this year the House voted to hold them in criminal contempt for their just defiance. The organization economic around table released a major new report on the online retail giant is on dot com focusing specifically on its where houses where orders are fulfilled the report found that quote Amazon's warehouse jobs are Mouli and high stress Additionally for every $1.00 and we just paid by Amazon warehouse workers receive an estimated $0.24 on public assistance benefits also 57 percent of Amazon warehouse workers live in housing that is overcrowded and substandard and other tech giant is in the news Google the world's largest search engine has reportedly fired 4 workers who had been involved in pressuring their employer to not work with Customs and Border Protection the workers whose contracts were not renewed on the Monday before the long holiday have been dubbed the Thanksgiving for in a statement of support for their fellow workers Google employees wrote 4 of our colleagues took a stand and organized for better workplace this is explicitly condoned in Google's code of conduct which ends and remember don't be evil and if you see something that you think isn't right Speak up the signatories added when they did Google retaliated against them Senate Democrats this week on build a new bill aimed at protecting Internet users privacy the bill which is being touted as a set of Miranda rights for the Internet is called the consumer online privacy rights act and was introduced by Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington state according to The Washington Post the bill quote would allow people to see the personal information that is amassed about them and block it from being sold the measure also promises steep fines and opens the door for Web users to bring lawsuits if social media sites retailers and others engage in harmful practices and break the rules. A new study on life spans death and suicide in the Us published in The Journal of American Medical Association has found a crumbling reversal of longevity in the United States in direct contrast to other developed nations the Los Angeles Times summarized the findings like this the nation's lifespan reversal is being driven by diseases linked to social and economic privation a health care system with glaring gaps and blind spots and profound psychological distress in international news Palestinians on Tuesday Marquis de of rage with thousands protesting the us has reversal of its policy on illegal Israeli settlements an estimated 2000 people gathered in the West Bank city of Ramallah and burned u.s. And Israeli flags and posters of President Donald Trump trumpet ministration recently reversed a longstanding u.s. Policy that agrees with United Nations assessments of settlements in Palestinian territories as for bidden under international law one official with the ruling Fatah party said at the protests quote the biased American policy toward Israel and the American support of the Israeli settlements and the Israeli occupation leaves us with only one option to go back to resistance and finally in Iraq antigovernment protests have continued and even escalated this week Iraqi security forces fatally shot 9 protesters in the capital Baghdad and other areas of southern Iraq the government response to the protests which began in October has so far resulted in nearly 340 deaths. And that does it for News Headlines Today we'll be back with the rest of the show after this break k.p. Of papering So you are a supporter. And I was. Thank you. For your continued support. Straight here. Our 5. High This is multi And you're listening to fiercely independent k p f k 90.7 f.m. Los Angeles and 98.7 f.m. In Santa Barbara. Celebrating 60 years of service to Southern California 60 Yorkies. 60 years strong. From d.b.f. The Pacific i Radio this is rising up what's on Ali and I'm your host Sonali Kolhatkar you can watch this program on free speech t.v. And listen to it on Pacifica Radio stations and affiliates nationwide the United Nations this week released its latest emissions Gap Report and by their own assessments researchers called the findings bleak about 4 years ago country representatives from all over the world gathered in Paris France for the cop 21 climate meeting at which the historic Paris accord was signed but as soon as he entered office President Donald Trump pledged to pull the United States out of the modest agreement and under his rule greenhouse gas emissions by the u.s. Have noticeably risen China has also increased emissions and sort of leveling or reducing them according to the report countries collectively failed to stop the growth in global greenhouse gas emissions meaning the deeper and faster cuts are now required. The next un climate conference cop 25 takes place December 2nd in Madrid Spain we turn now to Tanya Young She is the Us communications manager with 350 dot org Welcome to the program Tom thanks for having me so the last time you and I spoke there were these massive global climate strikes taking place all over the world including here in the u.s. Clearly people around the world are terrified about what's happening on climate change they want their governments to take action and this report seems to show that largely speaking overall the opposite has happened how do you assess the findings of the emissions camp report. Yeah absolutely and my 1st question to all politicians including Trump and other world leaders is how many reports this is going to take for people to really recognize what is happening last year the i.p.c.c. Report said clearly that we have less than 11 years to really. Reduce warming to a below 1.5 degree Celsius the emissions Gap report shows that with current country pledges the world is heading for a 3.2 degrees Celsius temperature by 2100. 20 nations who account for about 78 percent of all emissions and this is not the only report that's come out in the last week or so there was also the World Meteorological report that shows that the concentration of climate heating greenhouse gases has hit a record high with no sign of slowdown of let alone a decline despite all commitments under the Paris climate agreement and the production Gap report that was released on November 20th shows that the world is on track to produce more fossil fuels by 2030 which would actually you know is one of the reasons why we would get to about $3.00 degrees Celsius like this is an absolute crisis and the reason why millions have to took the streets is because the people and the people the people understand that this is a really stark reality already across the world we are feeling climate impact this is not something in the future this is in the present and world leaders need to wake up some have pointed out that it's like being in a burning house and throwing fuel on the fire that is burning our house down. Absolutely it truly is and again I think that it is very clear what needs to happen we need to phase out fossil fuels immediately this has been the work of 350 dot org for 10 years and this is what all communities are calling for this is not no longer a question of negotiations between countries we like the fossil fuel industry has lied to the public for decades and they should pay for the climate crisis that they're that we are in they should pay for. Lack of accountability and they should pay for the fact that from the wildfires in California to devastating hurricanes that hit all parts of the northeast. Our communities are being impacted all over the world we're seeing these impacts the mission's job report by the United Nations points out that the top 2 a carbon emitters are of course China and the United States which has been the case for a long time not China and absolute terms emits the most carbon when it comes to per capita it's the u.s. So do strong countries does a report point out that those 2 countries have specifically just on their own increased their emissions which is driven global emissions increase I can speak with China but in the case of the u.s. Particular given policies there is an increase in emissions you know even the even his recent push to stop the. Automobile standards this is all increasing emissions and so you know these reports aren't lying These are peer reviewed scientific studies that are really demonstrating who the fault which countries are should be held accountable and where. There's a gap between the commitments and what actually needs to happen and the u.s. And China have a lot to be responsible for. Are other countries needing to or climate commitments mean I mentioned the us I mean that the route of the Paris accord which happened 4 years ago was signed you know a triumphantly climate activists were not happy because it was far too modest did not go nearly far enough but even that very modest agreement that had voluntary commitments from countries if we set aside the u.s. And China is it a nice progress any reason for optimism Well I think the issue is that the power of climate agreement and didn't go far enough in the 1st place right and the emissions Gap report really shows that now we're at a situation where we need to go above and beyond the power of climate agreement talking about the power of God agreement agreement at this point is actually talking about way too much in the past like we need to be setting new standards for what it will take to. To it's not even solving the climate crisis of the foreign It's actually just slowing it down it's going to require that we face a fossil fuels immediately it's going to require that nations that Lego go above and beyond the power of climate accord and so you know I think even the question of like whether they have succeeded in meeting the goals of the power climate agreement certainly some countries have but that's not enough. Now the so just specifically speaking to the report estimates that if we want to limit global warming to balloon 2 degree Celsius by the year 2030 I mean just in 10 years we would need to reduce emissions by 25 percent that's a quarter and if we want to limit to $1.00 degrees Celsius which is really what's needed we're talking about 55 percent luring of emissions across the board in 10 years and unless we are actually putting in place the infrastructure for that we won't even meet that right down I mean to to achieve that drastic level of cuts we need to be building the solar panels now the wind turbines now we need to be putting in place the infrastructure now right. Well I mean what the suggest is that all nations should be treating this like the emergency that it is to get the earth back on track to 1.5 degree goal countries must multiply their commitment level or the level of which they pledged to reduce their emissions 5 times the current rate outlined by the Paris agreement that means the global greenhouse gas emissions must fall at least 7.6 percent every year to remove 32 gigatons of government carbon dioxide from them a sphere so it's massive and the reality is we've got here because of the lack of political will by nation states all across the world and what we do not want to happen is for politicians to put up their hands and say well there's nothing we can do anyway the will of the people like 7600000 people are on the streets in September they're demanding change and in and in all honesty this is this is the the kind of thing that causes a revolution people across the world young people across the world they have a right to a future they have a right to dignity and at this rate is world leaders do not need to set new targets of that extremely ambitious targets that they actually have to meet we are going to be in an extremely bad place and we already are in a bad place when you think about all of the climate impacts that are already happening. And the cup $25.00 meeting which is the next un climate conference is taking place in Madrid Spain under starting on December 2nd it's going to go through December 13th and I know you've attended several of these tunnels does it seem to you that it's kind of pointless to continue doing these conferences when we just need drastic political change changing the leadership of these countries so that we can start transitioning away from fossil fuels. You know I think that the fact that these reports have come out really and that come out a week before a cop 25 really is going to push the leaders of the cop to take it seriously and I think that world leaders at this point should know that there's not going to be an end to the kinds of mobilization that we're going to see where people are really rising up people are putting their bodies on the line people are sitting in them politicians office to demand change this is going to impact election results and so we hope that. The leaders who are going to cut 25 take this seriously I agree that we are not interested in having just another meeting after another where there are no actual commitments made people need to take these reports seriously this is factual evidence and it requires a massive response and one would hope and ideal out of the cup 25 is actually a strategic emergent emergency plan in order for us to really tackle the climate crisis and reduce emissions as soon as possible starting in 2020 the emissions gap singles out a number of nations including ones where there are very overtly climate denying the leaders like the u.s. Like Brazil understandable for not only the point in the report pointed out the deforestation Fiamma is on contributed grew dramatically to. Rules footprint and it has very specific conditions including what China should be doing such as banning all new coal fired power plants and even for India transition from coal fired power plants but even developed nations like Japan and of course the United States very clearly lays out how these countries reduce their emissions but of course many of the leaders of these nations such as Wilson out of such a strength such as Modi in India would respond that economic growth is critical and that taking these actions would dampen economic growth it's the same tired argument over and over again right I mean this economic growth and benefiting from majority of people anyway. The economic growth that. People like Moby and Trump and both of them are talking about are very much in the short term they are the plans of billionaires who only care about their money and the law but lobbyists who are going to keep them in power this is not a long term plan for economic growth what is the point in fact a quote unquote economic growth by 20 by the end of the century the majority of the world's population is wiped out people really are not thinking about the severity of this we are talking about the ways in which capitalism is not serving people all across the world and what these these. People like Trump and Mo them both and are showing is that this is like the last gasp of capitalism and frankly it's a very dangerous one because we're seeing the rise of the right from South Asia to the United States to Brazil to other parts of Latin America at the same time as we're dealing with this crisis and so it really is going to take all of us to push for an intersection all approach to the climate crisis climate impacts every single issue of justice from gender justice to racial justice to migrant justice and we're going to see the severity of all of these issues really rise because of the inability of these. Leaders or supposedly there to tackle the climate crisis. Was there a silver lining in the report out of all because we knew that there are changes that are taking place on local levels on municipal levels cities in the u.s. And states and and the same is true in other parts of the world as well and I believe the report did point out that there were a lot of you know even if even if the actual places where progress on the climate is taking place may not do enough to push everyone push those numbers down they offer a model right for larger scale projects. I mean I think of the several lining is that the world has woken up young people this is one of the top priorities of young people around the globe and I think that the the push of civil society is going to be greater than before on climate and it's really going to require that leaders step up in a way that they chose not to because they didn't think that the public cared and so I think that our job as advocates and activists is to really. Hone in on this on public awareness and really push for you know on the ground mobilization for people to really be pushing elected officials at all levels certainly we've seen on city levels and state levels here in the u.s. . Leaders really step up and keep their cities or towns or states in line with the Paris climate agreement but I hope that this really shows that even they need to go beyond and so I think the silver lining here is the kinds of mobilization and revolution that will come out of the reality is that these reports are putting out another deflection mechanism dot leaders used to point fingers at the other very much the habit in the United States to point to China and say Well China is the one that needs to reduce its emissions China very conveniently will point to the u.s. And say this is the u.s. That needs to point reduce its emissions but if you look at per capita emissions the u.s. Is by far the biggest emitter in the world do you hope that Americans specifically take away from this report that it's all nonsense you know when the whole world is watching Yeah absolutely a comparison here is not useful the u.s. Is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases certainly there are other countries as well but like it is the responsibility of the United States is a responsibility of the foss. The fuel industry and the lobbyists that the u.s. Leaders have uplifted over communities to take responsibility and accountability and to pay for this crisis and Americans understand that their their children are impacted that there is no. Long term projection for us as a society if we continue down this path and I think that people are really waking up to the to the realities and the u.s. Government's own reports on how climate change will impact infrastructure will impact nuclear facilities Superfund sites should know that there are agencies in this government that know they have to take these projections seriously even if the person sitting in the White House doesn't write which is the height of irony. Yeah I mean that's it's it's completely bizarre and even it was actually around this time last year right before Thanksgiving that the u.s. Is on the ministrations on report about climate came up came out and they tried to hide it and so it's just completely bizarre that they would continue to actually offer you know tax reductions to fossil fuel companies over dealing with the reality the thing about Donald Trump is that he knows that he's not going to be around 50 years from now he's not going to be around a 100 years from now but what he does and what his administration does today and over over the next year I'm you know there is also a possibility over the next 4 years really is going to have such irreversible damage it is and the people most impacted are black communities brown communities Indigenous communities. Low income people and there is no going back we need to take this seriously and we need to do these make these just the changes now one of the other sort of silver linings in the u.n. Report one is that the cost of renewable energy sources and building infrastructure for renewable energy and the role materials for it has actually gone down I mean on the 101st this is a great thing it can help transition our economies on the other hand people point out the demand for extraction of certain minerals that these technologies require often comes from poor countries impacting poor economies and so I want to just go back to what you were saying earlier that really does need to be a just transition not just a transition but a just transition right yeah absolutely like when we talk about climate justice we're talking about worker rights we're talking about migrant rights we're talking about you know dignity and justice for all and so you know it is a big. Feel that it is actually cheaper to put in place solar and we want that and we also want to make sure that what we're doing is transitioning people across the world to jobs in a 100 percent renewables that pay well that are able to sustain families and it is possible it just requires political will right and so that's why of course a lot of people have been demanding the Green New Deal politicians are now waking up to not so funny let me ask you this town and while you and I are talking of course the campaign for the 2020 presidential race is in you know has started earlier nearly every year this year it's pretty early and whoever occupies that spot in the White House is absolutely critical as we have seen over the past few years to the u.s. And weird sounds on emissions How do you assess the amount of time the debates have spent on the climate change issue and also in general the sort of campaign platforms of various These Democratic Party candidates in focusing on Climate Change who consider or is a c 3 and so I have to answer this question carefully but just to say that we are you know we have pushed all candidates to ensure that they have a robust climate platform that we are watching them closely we have pushed for you know m.s.m. D.c. And New York Times and all of the outlets that are hosting the debates to make sure that they're asking robust quite the questions were a couple of debates where no climate questions were asked at all which we found to be absolutely absurd what we have seen however it for example in the last debates that happened in Atlanta that the way in which candidates are speaking about climate is much more advanced than it used to be all I can say is that it is like climate is going to is a top issue in this election cycle voters are care. About it people who cannot vote young people are calling on their elders to vote for their future as and so that's really what we're going to be focusing on in order to ensure that you know people get to vote based on climate and the Become been really are putting out the most ambitious clavicles possible Tonawanda thank you so much for joining us today devote a Web site for 35350 dot org I guess yeah it's 350 dot org That's the 5350 order on all social media platforms thank you so much for joining us good luck to you thank you my guest has been to. The u.s. Communications manager for the organization 350 dot org Well biggest guessing the latest u.n. Emissions report I'm so not equal what go on I don't rising up what's on Ali dot com where you can sign up for the newsletter subscribers video channel on Vimeo and find our audio podcast on i Tunes on Spotify. From d.p.f. The Pacifica Radio this is rising up it's on Ali and I'm your host so not equal hot car you can watch this program on free speech t.v. . And listen to it on Pacifica Radio stations and affiliates nationwide one of the oldest and most robust predictions of the impacts of climate change is that as the planet's atmosphere warms melting glaciers and greater precipitation will result in sea levels rising small island nations around the world know this and are actively feeling its impact here in the United States one community struggle against rising sea levels is a subject of a new book called the drowning of money island located on the southern end of New Jersey as part of a 40 mile stretch of Delaware Bay beaches and Cumberland County money Island is a poor community whose travails are chronicled by my guest Andrew s. Lewis is a contributing writer for outside He's also written for The New York Times Magazine and we're Nica and his new book is called the drowning of money island of forgotten communities fight against the rising seas threatening Coastal America welcome to the program Andrew thank you Sonali thank you for having me so for those of us who have lived primarily on the west coast and don't quite understand the complicated geography of the tiny states clustered around the North East 1st explain where money Island actually is you're talking about the southern part of New Jersey and that particular coastal region there. Yeah it's it's it's in a very unique place because it's jammed essentially between Washington d.c. Philadelphia and New York City but it's actually very rural so it's you know New Jersey's very small and it's very urban But there that her vanity is is sort of condensed towards New York City and to the south it's all farmland it's actually common County where your money Allen is located is a large reason why New Jersey is nicknamed the Garden State it's just it's very very and it's farmland it's always been that way it's isolated from the major highway corridors of 95 and and the Garden State Parkway so. It's always been a variance since it's since. It was settled by by Europeans in the late in the seventy's hundreds and it's sort of remained that way ever since so the notion of rising sea levels feels abstract you know we're told that Florida's coastline is going to change etc But here in this particular case in this part of the South Jersey Shore it's very very real Let's talk about where your story begins and what your personal connection is to literally this part of the country it seems as though Hurricane Sandy was a very particular turning point in the Jago fee and politics of this community absolutely well for the book and for me personally it really does begin with Hurricane Sandy I grew up in come on county I grew up along the bay sure I have a lot of childhood memories of going to money Island which is that the center piece of the book so. It's a very much emotional story however after high school I moved away and I had been gone for over 10 years I came back as a reporter to cover the the recovery effort in northern New Jersey Staten Island Rockaway Beach and even I being from South Jersey had no idea that the baseball communities had been hit by. Roughly after you account for the high tide at night about 10 to 12 feet of storm surge so it was the same storm surge that had impacted the north. So I only found out about the shore being decimated by Sandy because on my way home after reporting up my my mother and father said you know you should go check out the bay shore communities and and that's when I discovered that they had been just decimated is anything I had seen and there were cheers Eastend island at Rockaway Beach and from that point forward . And began to worry because Collin County has sort of always been forgotten by the state it doesn't it it's it's the poorest county in the state so it's always overlooked when it comes to funding and that kind of thing and so I began to worry that it would be left out of the you know Sandy recovery Sandy funding and that's exactly what happened these are low lying. Hamlets along that they have been dealing with sea level rise. You know since the beginning and certainly since the 1990 s. When it when it's really starts to accelerate the land is also sinking from natural subsidence so a while so that's a twin problem then it's when problem. It's it's on month last you know it's wetlands it's marshland and the reason why that area of Sutter's is so exciting is because of glacial retreats about 8000 years ago that the glaciers retreated and land naturally sort of pops up soon as a glacier retreats and then begins to settle and thousands of years pass so not only are they dealing with with that natural subsidence But you know they're they're having Excel it's rated sea level rise problem so and that as I mentioned that 12 foot storm surge came it was just a cocktail for disaster for those communities. So the politics of this area which you said is very rural and very impoverished doesn't match the politics of other impoverished ruled parts of the country in terms of you know being sort of Republican voting Trump leaning areas. Yeah I've I thought so much about this because you're absolutely right it's a very conservative area. But it's it's unique and so I spent in the 2 and a half years I spent writing the book and I spent countless amounts of time thinking about how they could be such a conservative area when really especially with the trumpet ministration and more specifically with the e.p.a. All of the policies and the changes that the e.p.a. Is implementing cut against their interests and really it's it goes back to this idea of just being forgotten. They they've always felt sort of out regulated you know they always felt like regulation has has overpowered any sort of help that the state has given them it's almost all preserved land out there on the base shore so that means it's owned by the state so they kind of feel like the state is impeding on their land and then of course after Sandy there was such little help from the state in terms of aid I mean all of the 8 went to the Jersey Shore so there were no fans of Chris Christie Governor Chris Christie who was also Republican and quite conservative either so in those those days leading up to the election and seeing you know driving past one yard after the other with you know make America great signs and. Hillary for her prison and all of these dramatic signs it really just came down to this idea of being forgotten and just wanting to vote for someone who they believe could could block the system even if you know they maybe don't quite know what blind system means or. Entails but that's that was sort of my conclusion So Eamon So even as this is a microcosm off the impacts of climate change it is also microcosm of why communities in the United States have supported a candidate like Trump. Yeah I think so I mean I think it's again it's community group communities across this country it's not just that they sure that they they feel forgotten. At an economic level. As much as they do sort of culturally and I think that played into support for for Donald Trump So let's talk about the Department of Environmental Protection our d e P's blue acres program which is a big part of this aid effort to that you discussed in a book and how people have responded to it what was this program and did it actually fulfill the intention that it had. Well. So Blue acres is it's an open space program that's been around in New Jersey since 1905 its mandate has always been to acquire properties in flood prone areas quire them. Give homeowners competitive rates by that rate demolish the home and the land returned to open space after hurricane does and the goal of that being. Well the the goal the mandate if you asked the status to move people out of harm's way if you dug a little deeper it's you know to eliminate repetitive flood flooded properties and you know in the in the state which are expensive especially in rural areas where insurance you have a star a little high for those a much when Absolutely or you know in a lot of the in the in the rural places a lot of homeowners never got insurance so you know in some places they were just getting you know a few memorization and you know some properties in these areas or some of those are those repetitive flood. Properties that have you know have gotten funding 678 times over the years so in that sense it makes sense. The program after Sandy it was infused with 300000000 and federal funding that came from the Disaster Relief Act package and what the state did is they had a mandate to acquire 1000. Sandy damage flood prone properties across the state to to acquire them give owners present a values on homes demolish them and again you know return to the mantel in space and my point and my point in the book is that. So 7 nearly 700 properties have now been purchasing demolished across New Jersey in 7 years since Sandy all of those properties every single one of them are back bay properties riverine property streams not a single property has been purchased and demolished on the ocean front where of course we all know that vast majority of the city's damage occurred so with that tells you is this it's much easier to target lower to middle income communities and it's the way female and the National Flood Insurance Program are set up now it's next to impossible to to make any changes on the ocean front where we really need to start thinking about change I'm speaking with Andrew s. Lewis and we're talking about his book the groaning of money island of forgotten communities fighting against the rising seas threatening Coastal America tell me about some of the people who you spoke to researching and writing your book and what their reaction has been to both the evidence the b.b.c. With their own eyes about how their community and their coastline is changing and their opinion of the government's response. Yeah I spent a lot of time with a few people especially a couple named Mike and Kate Nelson and you know they they're sort of of the of the the camp that says. You know something's changing we're just not sure how much man has to do with it and you know I I encountered that a lot you know in speaking to folks on the base sure others are are sort of more hardcore and just don't believe that climate change is happening at all and then of course there are other residents that that you know read up on the science and understand that that anthropogenic forcing is happening meeting man man is causing this extreme Excel or any rate of. Global warming so it really kind of incest for such a small area I guess I'm thinking about it there wasn't a smattering of opinions but with that has done is it's fractured the community and it's and it's really fractured at the local government. Side of things and that leads to a lot of conflict on a local level so what that does is is that leads to delays in sort of small infrastructure projects that could could benefit these these small communities so there's a lot of. Unfortunately to say you know conflict in these small communities over that they're really at its core is this debate over are we responsible for climate change or are we not so at the precise time when we need to be taking action to fight climate change there are still far too many people struggling to accept that climate change is a thing and is caused by the burning of fossil fuels if the folks who see that climate change is happening around them claim that it's not due to human activity what do they think it is due to just some long range cyclical events completely cut off from human activity that you know sort of predate civilization and that will common goal. Yeah I mean you're not you're not off I mean I think I've heard it a lot it's just it's cyclical argument right it's the argument that as we had and I told before so we're going to. Have want to get and. You know what I'm hearing a lot lately is it's we're in the denial camp is this the scientists for sort of the 1970 s. Were saying we might come into a you know a mini ice age and I think the sort of arguments like that you know will scientists were saying that in the 1970 s. Well if you go back you look at that was sort of evolved and let go very quickly. So yeah there's a lot of leaf that is that is just cyclical but I should also say that you know in these places these are these are river even faces the currents of that they are constantly. Shifting the shoreline I mean sure Lions are not meant to be static places are they they breathe they move with currents with winds with storms and. So on the basis. You know they see all of these these are these occurrences of erosion and they're sure lines disappearing and but then they look at the Jersey Shore and they say well you know there are lines not changing it they always have plenty of beach and this and that and and because the Jersey shore obviously invest millions and actually billions in you know Beach replenishing and all these things so there's a there's a dichotomy between. You know the help that the Bay Shore is getting versus the the Jersey Shore and they and they sort of use that to ignore the realities so the couple that you. So Case think you talk to where did they land on this issue . I think they. I think they're coming around to it you know we had a lot of candid conversations and and. In the one sense I think that in the beginning they sort of there aren't sure about how much man was is involved they certainly agree that things are changing but then on the other side you know they just sort of Certainly since sent it they've just sort of spent most of their time during the days just trying to rebuild their own and live where they live and really that topic probably doesn't come up that much I mean when I was there as a journalist sort of forcing the issue we had conversations but I would venture to guess that it's just not something that's that that's talked about. On a regular basis so let's let's talk about saluted bit more about this conflict what you know what are the kinds of ways in which. People have been fighting what the government is doing but also fighting to get the right response from the government because one community can't fight climate change on its own it can try to mitigate . Coastal erosion and rising sea tides and adapt to it so how is money island and those areas surrounding the southern Jersey Shore What are some of the ways in which they think they should be adopting or could be adopting if they have the right kind of government support. Well I think on that they sure that they should miss it tallies to the problem see the rising erosion is so it's you and it's so severe. The way they're responding to it is they just want basically enough infrastructure they want the beach replenished they want to see a Jedi if. The state or the Army Corps will give them a Jedi. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and just this lack of sort of planning for the future and even in that rich Jersey Shore communities know no one is really thinking about innovative ways to deal with this they're even there even thinking of just be true punishment and charities and a lot of the has to do with there just isn't. Budgets allocated to someone who can just be dedicated to you know being a chief resiliency officer or you know someone who can focus their their whole day to looking at the long term and so what's happening is we're stuck in this this inertia of reactive this and it's in the bay shore it's the other governments are tiny they don't have is kind of like with my Cato saying they don't have time to to think about the long term they just are reacting right now and it's just not going to. There's no longevity and I mean we already see it with money Allan it's been bought out by by this program ploy takers because the state is unwilling to invest any more money in actually suring out the shoreline so that is that programs goal to just buy out the entire community of money island and demolish all the homes and essentially resulting in the relocation of full of the area's residents. Yes I I would say I don't think they would they would tell you that if you sort of order or call them up. Yes they do not want to invest any more money in money Island or the other small Bayshore Hamlets and so let me ask you what do you what is the mean economic industry what is the economy off money island in those areas based on and how has that been impacted by the changing coastline. There a great question and I'm going to ask it's it's the wisher industries it's fishing . Everyone there who lives there almost to it to at sea are either oyster fishermen or other Travers or you know the deal net. Menhaden you know for a. The day the population the fish populations in the Bay has completely dropped off in the last 20 years there's a lot of research into that researchers don't actually have it pinpointed why it's clear to see that the temperatures in the day have risen due to global warming the oyster industry is actually in a in a Ok spot right now but nothing compared to what it was in the sort of the turn of the century so on the early 1906 when these communities that we've been talking about were actually some of the richest communities in New Jersey. That was their industry propped up those communities back then it was for populations have gone through 2 major die offs since then wanted 1957 and one again in 1993 that had to do again researchers distill it into it but it's the changing chemistry of the water to that they were speeding up. There's all sorts of factors so that the industry that has now has provided. Sustenance for these communities is is really just. Really struggling so finally this story that you've written about how this particular a rural an impoverished community in South Jersey is both impacted by and figuring out how to struggle with the politics and of the changing geography of climate change how do you see this as a microcosm for the whole country how do you see this is symbolic of other fights playing out in other parts of the country and possibly even the world what are some of the lessons that you can share from what you witnessed from what you researched in writing this book that you hope don't play out or some warnings that you can share for the rest of the country well I think I think the 1st lesson here is that climate change and sea level rise is happening now and you can get in your car you can drive to many places in the United States right now or in the world coastal areas and you can see the impacts of climate change are now and in terms of what it portends. It would send mass migration I mean that they sure is a microcosm of what we're going to see. Throughout Coastal America throughout coastal areas across the globe as sea levels rise I mean if you look at the very low end of the i.p.c.c. Projections it's one foot by 2050 that is a tremendously that's a huge amount large on top of what we're already getting and that's going to push millions of Americans stay with an in the United States it's going to push millions of Americans out of there like communities from from New Jersey to North Carolina to Louisiana there's already talk that you know Del Mar that's a hot spot in California closer to you so he may not manage your tree you know local governments state governments and federal governments are going to have to come together to address moving a tremendous amount of people so while the Bay Shore is just a tiny amount of people in the grand scheme of things what's happening to them now is a clear window into what's going to happen in coastal areas across this country and if we don't adapt now we're going to see things like tipping points and real estate and these kind of cataclysmic occurrences that can you know impact the economy so it's it's on us to to plan ahead finally and you know try to deal with this transition in an orderly way and not get you know found out in politics and cost benefit analyses and all of these things that are doing nothing for us but keeping us like I said stuck in that inertia Well I want to thank you so much for joining us today Andrew Good luck to you with the book and as their website you'd like to give out. Sure thank you sir it's just my knee injury sluice dot com You can you can find it with there and other things that are in more post a link to them from our website thanks so much and thank you to as Lewis is a contributing writer for outside He's also written for The New York Times Magazine and when a couple been discussing his new book the drowning of money Island the forgotten communities fight against the rising seas threatening Coastal America I'm Sonali Kolhatkar we're online at rising up it's on Ali dot com where you can sign up for the newsletter you follow us on Facebook Twitter and Instagram at our rising up which in all these hosted written and executive produced by seeing all the hype on the bus is to produce a technical director at the web and social media is to go by our theme music is by Grammy award winning back it sounds like us on Facebook dot com slash argue with Sonali That's the letters argue with Sonali and follow us on Twitter dot com slash argue with snuff our website is rising up with Sonali dot com where you can find all our programs archived and more you can get direct access Waller video and audio files since my team 57 of California's progress are from radio a p f k. 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