Nigeria and miss Africa world who has made many appearances in magazines and television such a spiritual one Bravo T.V. C N T A B E T centric in news Style Network and we T.V. . We also have finally Miss Kiana M. Williams an audio engineer editor and producer of feminist magazine here on Pacifica Radio she will shed light on the American perspective on this complex issue as always we bring you an exciting show rich in culture to music Master Charles giving you only the best of world music and sound engineer D'Angelo Jones will be here to make us some really great this is the impact immigrants and Americans this past American today I am Pamela and Jan you are welcome to join the conversation by sharing your thoughts on our Facebook page at impact with Pamela and Chang on my Instagram page at Hammon Chang Twitter at Pamela and Chang and finally our youtube channel team T.V. All immigrant magazine voice of immigrants in America where you can subscribe and find a video broadcast of all our shoes on. Really exciting show today with my amazing guest So stay with us as we take you on this magnificent journey that is the immigrant experience. So let's begin with a hot topic of the day by us and stereotypes the immigrant accent when does an accent become an issue. The United States is a nation of diverse cultures languages and ethnic backgrounds I guess that would dictate a normal occurrence for accents popping by the minute many immigrants are used to being told that they have an accent the question takes a different turn however when it could be a barrier for a great career opportunity here to discuss are Dr Laura embarrass and awarded educator journalist life coach and bestselling author Mrs cave and girl are a listen marriage family and child counselor specializing in the integration of psychotherapy and spirituality from a by high perspective we'll have Queen. Founder of culture here Nigerian born a highly respected her extension and her printer in Beverly Hills California and finally Miss Kiana Williams an audio engineer editor Coles and producer of feminist magazine here on 90.7 F.M. K P F K and she will chime in after our conversation with immigrant accented people so welcome to impact I would like to set the background for today's episode by reading an excerpt from a New York Times article that really hit home and captured the essence of this topic please listen and we can all discuss So welcome to the surely it is thank you thank you how how are you doing I'm doing great now because I'm here with you guys also know the queen is here. How is the day good thank you for having me and you're welcome and Mrs Cavan gala I love how you doing very well is a pleasure to be here Oh my pleasure and not forgetting my own colleague not next to me we're. Nice to have you on the show we all already introduced the show it's about bias and stereotypes in the immigrant accent and when it becomes an issue I'm going to read an excerpt like I said before about this issue and then let's have a. Question about it so just pay attention listeners and K.B.'s can I do point 7 F.M. Radio Pacifica please pay attention because I really want to hear some commentary from you here it goes this was an article written by Raymond Hernandez in 1903 about when X. And becomes an issue he says immigrants trying to speech class used to reduce think of bias when Carmen Friedman an immigrant from Colombia began dating the man who would become her husband she felt embarrassed because she mispronounced his name she called him yourself instead of Joseph when she started a job as a substitute teacher a year later she dreaded going to work becoming nauseated at the thought of having to speak in front of a new class Finally when she realized that her accent had not diminished even after nearly 5 years in the United States she became so are nerved by the idea of not fitting in that she paid for lessons to eliminate her accent she said I don't want my accent to hurt my self-esteem any more I know I can get my point across in English but I don't want to feel uncomfortable every time I see something still an impediment now as the ethnic composition of the city where she was which was New York City and a nation changed on that a growing tide of immigration accents then and today are still an impediment even a stigma for millions of people in school at work and in social settings. The aura of Asian. Wow OK Well 1st of all I am teaching and I'm teaching English so I'm an immigrant who came to the United States 20 years ago and I'm teaching American literature and British literature and advanced composition. I believe that your accent can be a problem if you think it is a problem I mean very many times people are going to really listen even more to you because you have an accent so their ears are going to try to kind of like tune in to your message right I've always been asked are you a Brazilian and I said yes and then somebody else said are you Argentine me and I said yes and then is that who I am I really believe that you know I'm International I really don't believe even if I was born in Romania and my last name it's all Greek origin I don't think I really so much relate to only one culture so I look Brazilian I speak you know Spanish so I think it's your accent can limit you to a certain culture but can also be probably a sign that your belonging to the world is suddenly just belonging to one country so in my case it was really not working against me actually I think it worked for me you know I have to chime in on that it's truly can be an asset in some situations however I need to know does anybody know anybody or have you had to experience something similar to her failed Georgia stick Matteis by your accent queen no given good start with the queen that's your experience thank you for the question well 1st. Mine is good and mine's bad. I mean business woman and I have a lot of you know females come to my stores come come up to my store and I had this incident of this lady. She came into my store there was a misunderstanding and when this when she wanted to talk to the owner of the supervisor I walked in and then once I started speaking she thought she was going to meet me because of my accent she was like oh you guys are coming from Africa taking all the money you can but for me I still have people there see me in Beverly Hills and they think my accent is sexy. Right yeah I don't know you all come on sever this that's because friends to me automatically and I'm like oh well I'm from Nigeria but I know a lot of difference is a very sometimes good sometimes bad but mine is. 90 percent they think is sexy for me people want to write me and talk to me. You know seem like a unit here so they want to downgrade that so that you know I did a study and I'm also a teacher by the way by profession I taught middle school in this country and I have to tell you it was kind of like your experience the kids depending on the experience some were receptive to my accent and some were not so clear and you were the psychotherapist and we're not talking about it's like yeah but I can have been deferred to you for this question and I read a study that said perceptions of sometimes a person's perception of another person's accent can influence the way to see the person what you say well you know if you don't see that person let's say the person is behind the telephone Yes and you are talking to them the only thing you have from them is not any body language is not their face is not their expression and yet all of that which is really 75 percent of communication so you only have the Royce and the action becomes an impediment in you being able to understand them then that might turn into some kind of frustration and then you might then say oh I don't know and I had that actually experience not too long ago I was trying to pay for it because I teach online and I was trying to pay for the book that I had purchased for my students and somehow as it is the. Trend right now maybe the person who's taking the money said somewhere else in the world and so they had some very very strong action but that wasn't the problem the problem I could not understand what they were saying right and then as a result and I was paying certain amount of money I wanted to make sure that it isn't transaction was going well so that was in issue another situation completely the opposite I call sometime for let's say tech support for a company or something like that and very often there are girls who sit in Philippines and they have an accent. And I asked them I say Were are you and they said in Filipino I said I'm delighted to know that we are sharing the the wealth of this world with everybody and you are able to sit in your own country with your support with the loving parents and family around you and you are getting paid from the United States and this is the way we need to look at the world I think that for us to be able to have a diverse world that but yet unified So unity in diversity when you see we can arrange so I would say accent should we should choose to say if a person has an X. And that means that person speaks more than one language genius that's the one I should see it that's true so the question is who are here has ever had to do some Tong twisting to accommodate say a not natural born American. In order to scan the sound somewhat American have any of you had to twist your tongues and then somewhere along the line you just end up with no accent it's neither your indigenous accent from your home country nor American because I have maybe in trying to someone you like you said someone's talking to you and you don't think they understand you and so you try to sound because I heard it in grocery stores have you heard someone do that and I don't know I will sell myself because I think he's that's what I want to sound like and it's flooring I want to get to yeah like people want to like when I open my mouth and they want to. Know me maybe perceive me speaking French or yes something else and then I have an international and like oh where are you from this none of this conversation so I want to be me I don't want to change my kids even tell me always it's not the. Right to tell you sorry. Oh it's Percy how it's received Yeah given what is it that makes some people want to just like in the case of the story that we read from the New York Times out article warning she was feeling down on herself she would pronounce yourself as opposed to Joseph and she in her country of course that's not an issue but here it's an issue and some people there's a lot of people who want to be who want to adjust I think. 1st of all we have each in approach to perfection Yes and there is no but the who is perfect and the fact that human beings as human beings we think but also we can think about what we think and then if he choose to think and focus on people's shortcomings I think there's going to be plenty fine in everybody the way they look the way they sound the way they walk and I really think that we need to come to understand that God has given us the ability to think and also to think about how we think and choose the right way to think and I think look for the positive in each other and in that way everybody will come across as good but if we choose to look at the negative there's going to be plenty to find faults with everybody so that we'd be miserable Well can we can we deny the fact that that's wishful thinking and it's a beautiful thought However can we deny the fact that for example in today's climate of immigration I'm sure there's a lot of people right now in certain environments that will no want to be identified because your accent sometimes gives you away so if you come from a country that stigmatise in any way you don't want to be saying you'll say as opposed to Joseph would you so. I guess the question is is there a sense that if you are perceived as your pain. And you really get more of a past do you think so or do you think I think to me everything was down to like maybe it's a phone conversation you pick up a phone do you feel and then somebody is like oh excuse me. Can you hear me and like I can hear you very loud and clear because the phone is not disconnected you're probably trying to change the subject because I mean my accent is or you're trying to mock me who knows like I said I still sound like the way I want to have beautiful I'm sure everybody want to talk to you but for those. I don't know what is beautiful but I'm your queen the other things my dear you have about me so I think I was so your standards are low different it's true though there is something I'm sure or maybe a doctor or a can maybe testify based on your what you do for a living people do discriminate based on even looks so accent is not one of those things we discriminate on each how people know people where the help. Of lighter darker so we cannot pretend that this accent topic is not a valid topic. All right like when it's coming down I think to name. I mean I really believe always when I'm looking at my students' names you know and it's like I'm asking them like is Jesus or has suits because now I really don't know I mean there are differences you know maybe he is from a Latin country but he wants to be cold you know in the merry way and I always say well you know it's like Michael Jackson is going to go I was going over to Europe and he was like Michelle Shocked song like well I mean depends probably you are going to break out of the name you know of that country where you are going to perform and I'm not going to ask you know the guys in of you know friends you know to pronounce his name you know Michael Jackson yes he is known all over the old model actually you know it's Michelle's rock song or me where I look in the only way so I think when it's coming down to names you know it's just a little bit different years and. I remember when I was Cole or I. Or our on our Or I mean their world you know and the RE all the you know for my names and I always I mean I was laughing I'm like for sure they're calling my name and then my last name could not even be pronounced even if it's in bottles and I'm like well honey the way you spell it that's the way you pronounce it you don't have to twist your tongue here. I mean to my kids it's just another laughable situation you know and that's really that's very interesting perspective what about in the employer employee scenario because some people have lost jobs or so result of that accident and the employer can say. I lost business because of your accent I do believe like it's coming down to sales as an example you know if you're going to have customers who really don't understand them probably you are going to lose some money for the company and I agree with that knowledge. Should you go back to school well depends I mean I think that when you came here and let's say your generation 1.5 your parents you do speak your native language at home but also you are going to go to an American institution probably the more you practice your native tongue you are never going to get rid of your back shouldn't So if that's going to be the case it's probably going to be a challenge not depends also how old you were when you came to the United States like you know if your vocal cords already formed so that we're going to know you are going to deal with that for the rest of your life one are you saying that we for us is done whatever it is is well you can have a lot you know you can have a coach a city each coach that actually is going to probably diminish your X. And you know like all the Hollywood stars are going to go and pick up X. And you know you're different rules are playing absolutely that's true so I think you know people pay money to come up with accents and then we pay money to get rid of our X. And you know that is true so let me do a glass around here do you do you have just your eccentric omitted your clients so you don't lose business we're talking about that relationship of making money well mark for me and I still stand with what I stand. On the X. And pretty stock on yeah and I think you said. OK but I'm going to give you the best customer service Yes but I was still stunned by the loss of business with somebody walk away because they just couldn't handle it no they did try to have a conversation a Where you from how long have you been here and you know what the phone can is that sometimes you don't even know you don't you might have an accent. Really. You know so to do or. I mean just based on what she said if someone says you're not an accident is it then Kavan Is it a self-consciousness is it that sometimes we perceive discrimination when there is no instance with a clear cut bias I think you know I cannot hold Well I believe. So I don't remember I've been so long here and I don't remember really any negative memories from Americans as a whole yes I see that Europeans a lot more. Maybe critical of. One's action or nationality I don't always thought the Americans were a lot more open a lot more white and gray Yes in their accommodating and diversity of people and then also because of being a behind the my community I have always had the pleasure of support from all different people who have this mindset the diversity is good adds to the beauty of the whole garden you know so I was I mean not a very classic or typical recipient of prejudice or some kind of a bias towards accent. If anything on the other side I was the beneficiary of a lot of goodwill but ultimately I really think that there is some degree that we influence our own interaction with people we're not just in a box where others who are communing with us they can decide so a smile being tolerant and being just looking for something positive in others these are all the forces that we have within ourselves to really love the person that we talk I'm sure they're OK sions where the person is so frustrated or something upset or whatever it is or the police guy comes where I don't know they may look at something. But all. Altogether my experience really has been good has been positive Yeah yeah very very much. That's want to really applaud the American spirit of coming to strangers typically the experience has been good I think it just depends on the individual if someone's going to be be got it they're going to be gutted regardless of your accent you know so we're going to shut it down here but are you dying to say something and I really agree with you because you know in Europe you know if you have an accent I mean people will look at your scrutinize you way more than they will and the United States I mean in Germany I've stayed there for a little bit you know longer and so in Germany no matter what you're always going to be an arsenal and they're you know an immigrant right and you're always going to have an accent and people will look down on you because you have an accent when I go back to my native controvert mania and when I'm speaking my native language Romanian people say you have an accent but I'm like that's perfect. Now all of us saw them I think of the intonation you know language and probably I do have an X. On right now and remain you know so I guess you know there are no accidents and I'm into that realm Glacier Park not only you know I mean what do you. Think I think that maybe sometimes. That's business or people that are ignorant through sometimes the thing that people would accent and feel your own and you can . Then you like oh did you go to college and I. Tell you I went to law school from the school science I went to law school briefly I couldn't make I couldn't like you I don't want to do fashion. So that the law school or political science I'm like yeah but because I have an accent you think I just. And that's from like maybe kindergarten and so on that note I want to extend from pronunciation because you know somebody wants to say i Cloud and they say I quote. Difficult to understand their saying so I would not I think they should learn to pronounce it if they're speaking with IT British you know I sort of they should make sure that people understand that's loving approach to you know you can you know you want to understand it so we don't have to wrap it up here because this topic we don't have to discuss after the show. It was me and it was getting more and more interesting but we have to bring you got another perspective you know I need oh Miss Kiana Williams to chime in this is impact on 90.7 F.M. And I'm your host Pamela and change let's get the American perspective on impact talks with Ms KHANNA Williams an audio engineer editor co-host and producer of feminist magazine here on Radio Welcome to the Show Me Hi Pamela thank you very much I mean I think so you've listened to what immigrant. I don't know it's Romish I met African Asian or whatever actually And so right near where we had to say what are your thoughts and I want to know about your experience as a natural born American with immigrants in general as far as accent is concerned I have to say that I thoroughly appreciate Queens stubbornness if you want to come to stubbornness and I have to be honest I personally feel like everyone should be that stubborn yes self-assured is a better word to me but in terms of accents I think in a country like America which has a uniqueness and that it's. It's sort of ladened in discrimination in a way so an accent will stand out and it's going to be picked apart and people are going to be oddly agitated if they can't understand your words there's there's a reaction an emotional reaction and I think that just comes from a place of. That's taught it's something you learn you hear in the states whether you even if you have a 7 X. And sometimes the southern accent is made a lot of fun is made of the Southern accent but accents that come from countries that are primarily people of color though they get the worst reactions you know they get the discrimination if you're from Australia if you're a white Australian if you're British you get placed in front of a microphone and a camera so there's a totally different dynamic there in the way that Americans respond to accents there is also the exceptionalism that comes with being an American somehow Americans tend to think that they're better than everyone else and our language is the language of business somehow or it's the language of intellect or whatever it's not. And to be quite honest with you I am very thankful for immigrants or I don't like the word immigrants people who have moved to the United States I mean certainly grateful for because they have come here with their really refreshing perspectives and they definitely laid to rest some just a little a little bit of that exceptionalism so much so that there is a difference and you're right I've experienced that too and in Europe there's a there's a definite a little bit more of a visceral response but since I speak English right even though I'm black but I speak the white language so there's there's that too so you know that's a very interesting perspective there when you travel and you're black you're African-American out of the country do you get treated differently from say a Caucasian American maybe in Paris. So there are 2 different responses that I have had one is before I open my mouth and that's just I totally get I'm black and yes when they see me on site the 2nd I open my mouth and they hear an English speaker and they hear the American accent then they change all the sudden I'm fond of as oh oh oh customer service is like at its finest at that point so it's only accent also matter apparently Yeah yeah unfortunately yes it does but here. Even if you were talking about your name and your name being completely botched mine is Quiana 6 letters. And it was just I mean mode over in the worst way as a child it was Can Jada can Yarra actual other letters were added so I didn't really understand that and it was just a simple No it's really quite simple but if it's different from John Smith Katie Sarah all of these sort of usual names and then less attention is paid in the proper pronunciation of it and I think what that so. Of yields too or what it actually means is that they don't take us seriously yet they don't see that your name is who you are to people and so I think that's a diminishment of the person to be quite honest because it is your name it's how you distinguish yourself from another human being it's just you know when there's 2 Sarahs you have to somehow find a way to separate them both otherwise they're you know you know what I'm saying so so do think immigrants so you would agree with maybe in principle sensitive it's because sometimes it's a visceral reaction to depending on how somebody would approach you may be that you say if you're black or you're minority community person person of color then the reception's a little more visceral and the reaction is poor do you think immigrants should if it's going to cost them an opportunity would you recommend that just because like in the ladies' comments article she actually took classes to secure a job do you think we should because we have to take a test and language test when we do the citizenship the naturalization application process is should we then maybe try to adjust our accent to secure jobs maybe we're not the accent No I think it's Americans that need to do the adjusting I think I think to be fair globally we have an accent to not only that but it's just just not even thinking about nations or anything we're human beings we share one planet and at the end of the day we're going to have different accents we're going to have different everything we need to just learn how to oh OK cool awesome this is what I sound like this you know you sound like I let me learn how to understand you when you learn how to understand me it's a learning opportunity it's not anything to fear at all but we were conditioned to think that it's something to fear and and repel for it's not it's nothing like that so no I don't say get rid of your accent at all be a self Yes absolutely make people say your name say my. ames sam my navel the song by you that right he's say my name or all be all say set so we're going to go would beyond say is mess h. And a wrap it up in stay ca our name in be yourself well we want to thank you all very much for you joining us your input east so well know ted and we will see you next time they you and your listening to impacts on pacifica radio k.p. Of kin $90.00 were immigrants and americans discuss american city and we just did that we were now take a break with music massa charles so music master charles these tell us what we have instal chinese popular song this international the move function tongue need you to lose you should dean function to it's a welcome back in we will now switched years to impact talks but we learn the unique stories of ak guest we welcome to impact talks at this time ductile aura him barrels she's on award it it to kate are journalist life coach and author or of the critically acclaimed amazon best seller out of the transylvania night a story of tyranny freedom glove on identity in memoir detailing her life in romania out during to communist regime she's on Also the president and founder of see beyond leave love inspire Dr embarrass is a licensed clinical hypnotherapist who trained with Dr Brian wares and Dr Wendy to homes she was featured on N.B.C. A.B.C. C.N.N. B.C. Good morning San Diego Forbes Rumania and many more or embargoes serves on the colorful nearby leg advisory council She's also the president and co-founder of our in Rumanian American professional network so our not to have you on the show already but think it was so much Pamela Nice seeing you again after so many years so yes I had to just throw that in that or I used to write for the immigrant magazine and I was more than welcome to it because those voices one will think you are really i will OK So tell us let's just get to it I want to know if your journey has anything to do with your book a Muslim this other so tell us a little bit about your journey to the United States well 1st of all let me kind of like walk you through all my whole journey in a nutshell in a nutshell because you have like 5 minutes perfect so I want to what it's called the Diversity Visa OK And so that's the Diversity Visa I believe Letteri Exactly so that's giving $50000.00 people from all over the wall the chance to come to the United States and start with a green card so the right to work legally in United States. I've heard about it I had no clue what it was at all about I applied then I forgot about it and a year after pretty much I got as huge a mail. You know it and that said congratulation you've been selected out of 12000000 applicants who applies from all over the world and 100000 were chosen and they were pretty much Loring that number to 55000 so I won the green card lottery which is a little a diverse. And I came to the States 20 years ago. I started working as a hostess for in the got to ask you really long weekly Yeah why did you take the offer Well why not. It's kind of like I always knew you know that I'm going to leave the country and one particular point we did deal at one point was revolution remain a revolution and I think you know I know when I was a senior in high school I kind of like I was caught in the middle of some crossfire and that's actually how my memoir is going to start but I knew that if I will be given an opportunity I'm going to leave the country I always thought of myself as being a more an international human being than just belonging to one nation and one culture so I always saw myself living somewhere else and of course United States was a pleasant invitation so I applied that I wanted to here I am and how do you like it here is my in God I mean I love it I really do like when people say do you go home and I'm like No honey I am home I'm going to remain Yeah because I always say if you are not home where you are then probably you should really have a journey inside of your own soul and see exactly what stops you from being home or going home and I feel like I am home but it's just also tell me about because you've done so much on it and do a lot of things this is a time when you can tell me a little bit about your company what is beyond Is it a magazine Yeah it's a magazine and I was actually I think oh inching Exactly so we think about a little bit about it so I kind of like follow around Dr Wayne Dyer who was a motivational speaker but he was also by formation a psychologist and she was skewered by John of God who is a healer in Brazil of leukemia so in 2013 after Oprah went to Brazil to see John of God I decided to go on my own and because I have no problem traveling the world . Alone. I ended up in Brazil and the when I came back from John of God It was just that the journalistic. Inquisitive mind that wanted to know exactly what this guy's doing and how he's he healing people mirror Oculus Lee was out having any medical background and so when I came back from Brazil a year after I was just having a cup of coffee at Starbucks and the name see beyond just came to me and I had no clue what to do was it I set on it for one more year I went and I trademarked that see beyond that and then it's all happened that I did the survey with my students and I said OK if there was some sort of a magazine where pretty much you are going to listen you're going to read about stories of other people who let's say survived cancer or they really you know put themselves together after their parents actually broke up or let's say you had a horrible traumatizing experience how did you really see beyond that particular moment can you tell me how you've done it so then we are going to find some sort of a recipe for the other ones who you might not be the only one who has you know traveled that route and kind of like help them out as well so. Magazine. That you know as a lot of people out there to use that how can this most find you find see beyond the website we have seen be on Mag dot com to be on magazine it's actually an inspiration and motivation all platform so we have a magazine and right now we actually added 2 more sections we added the life coaching. Dream builders because I'm certified by Mary Morrissey as I think Oh and then we also were trying to partner Rob was Bren's who want to take their message around the world and we also do life journeys for them so we kind of like to do cruises for those particular brands. That's awesome and you know want to work with Dr All right environ she likes to me just call her aura is just to be healed and so we look forward to her coming back on this show because I had more questions but we're out of time and this is sunny impact No we have so much more to talk I know next show Trust me this is impact on keep it can 90.7 and your host Pamela and Chang thank you so much. Thank you so much race I really appreciate it thank you and now we welcome to impact talks queen. Founder of a highly respected hair extension entrepreneur in Beverly Hills California a philanthropist successful businesswoman mom model and 2 time pageant winner she has made many appearances in magazines and television such as V H one Bravo T.V. C N T A B E T centric in news Style Network and we T.V. Operating a motor 1000000 dollar weeks on hair empire worldwide she hopes to use her knowledge of building world class brands to help the local entrepreneurs increase self-sufficiency and expand their companies asked Miss face of Nigeria and miss Africa world welcome to impact talks queen or chair. Thank you for having me looking very good I write well yeah but you did your title and you earned it and you look it so looking where I go and I'd add. Tell us tell our listeners about your journey to the United States so long in a not yeah sure I know because people always want to know where we're from well I'm from the eastern part of Nigeria I got here because I warned the face of Nigeria in 2005 so I came to represent. I came to an additional called world it will Congress OK So from there I'm here now. And thriving. I would say to you know open up to her company OK and also help cancer patients you know Yet I lost my mom when she battled cancer so I saw the pain and all she kept on asking was a week so I'm just going to ask you before we get to that let me know when I said Queen inquiring minds want to know how you got the piece of Nigeria and miss Africa World. Tell us a little bit about. The 1st war and war my 1st title was a face of year it was crazy because I was then in London for modeling job and it friend of mine got the form to you know do the pageant but the boyfriend said all about pageantry and for you know people don't call people on the street so she wanted to get her money back but the pageant people said it was a hide ourselves so she went to my mom's house and dropped the form and there I went to the pageant I contest and I won See you soon see I was the reason I ask that question is yes most of the time especially in African cultures in some cultures right the beauty pageant world is not viewed in such an honorable way but you've used it to do something so tell us about what you're doing with this platforms well just like you said people don't really take you seriously because they think the beauty queens are just you know empty here yeah not true yeah final rose with nothing but I mean to me I'm still maybe beautiful but I always have to put an impact in any where I go to like leave like prints so what I did when I won the face of Nigeria I. I was working with HIV AIDS over there in Abuja with the patient and then you turn around my mom got sick of cancer and I changed the platform to helping women should really been hit with living with cancer you know that really brings me out of the week business OK and you are a highly respected business woman out here in Beverly Hills California I love that ambition of that problem is that you have tell us about your inspiration motivation behind your business well it's always like who like the last episode that we have we had earlier with their women like the X. And teens are always trying to draw you back because you're not from here yes you think that OK well this is America and I'm just from Nigeria I can do anything I always have this confidence that I can even move mountain you legally so how it's like you come from Nigeria the way you came home will even though we don't. Have this belief that you belonged to Beverly Hills it's just self-confidence that's exactly the message right so you recently returned to Nigeria for homecoming right tell us a little bit about that and why you went back to that I went back to Nigeria to. Like what they say just show them the crown because you know after the pageant they hosted me was it was a warm welcome from all the government officials some kings and it was nice that we don't have to see you must. Have already as we do so and then I got to see my dad you know and some of the family members so it was a warm welcome and I got to I had to. Spend time with some with the kids I'm working with now called also for kids you know a lot of them also is a platform where we send children back to school children in the street and then they send them back to school so I am now in their current ambassador so we walked hand in hand with a lot of immigrants out here trying to give back and that's exactly what you're doing is across most immigrants come from countries that are still facing hardship So what do you think How can people have asked for immigrants out here how can the make an impact in their homelands while the war charities sometimes sometimes it is some is sometimes a what is imbued to you the general being generous sometimes people don't know what to do but they want to do it sometimes is just something that is a you I'm a very generous you have to throw up and yeah there's Regardless I know that yeah so I just want to help you do you think it's a duty that if you're out here doing better you should give back home yes if you want to or anywhere if you're doing. Like confident your fair break confortable in what you're doing that I think you should get back in a 1000000 churches you feed the homeless you know do something you're doing an amazing job how can this not support you how can they find you well they don't see all everything is there and of course your stories and they have a health card you want to give address Heinie 33 is very low she. Like you. Thank you so much you know what this is going to find on our website the right Magazine dot com or now Facebook page at impact so thank you so much and all the best Please keep us posted and this is in fact with PAM I am trying on radio Pacifica K P F K 90.7 F.M. Thanks for having me now we welcome to impact talks Ms Caven Gilla she's a listener marriage family and child counsellor specializing in the integration of psychotherapy and spirituality from about high perspective she designs and teaches curriculum centered on the empowering principle of unity in diversity Karen girl is an international consultant trainer educator and lecturer Mrs Gaylor is a producer and host of radio and T.V. Shows how well received T.V. Series was called transforming human consciousness which aired for over 8 years she is the founder and president of a nonprofit educational organization called Center for Global integrated education she also host kids side by side dot org In response to the human rights violation of the Behi students in Iran who have been banned from participating in learning or serving in their homeland for nearly 40 years she's quite an inspiration and we are not to have missed Cavan gala to the show welcome to impact talks thank you for your you are very very vibrant vibrant room and this character I really appreciate they should this is the 1st time I. I had a chance to see one of my favorite reduce station K P S K And then the impact was making such an impact Oh stop well with all that all of that how could we not just . Finish and you were also but let's start from the beginning I know you've been here a long time and that's why we have you on the show because you going to give us a more seasoned opinion so tell me 1st how did you come to notice this and how long ago you know as it was a question I was reflecting and I was hearing all these wonderful women here talking about their experience I was reflecting Oh my goodness I just realized that I have always an immigrant even in my own country I have I was like an immigrant being I. Is a minority in Iran all I said so my way of thinking my way of believing the values that I had was very very foreign and at times actually yeah it was. Subject to persecution So Christine remember that my grandfather was Jewish background and at that time. The center figures of the my faith were imprisoned in Palestine so my grandfather was in his early twenty's so here it becomes a high and he walks for 6 months on what to go to. Holy land and that time it was Palestine. And when he comes back he got he got killed so my grandmother was in her early twenty's 5 children the little one was just newborn and she had to raise them by herself so she should have been a very strong woman to be able to she was a high herself so when I was when I was a child I was talking to her I was just amazed how this woman and she would say oh I was so beautiful or and she would talk about herself and then she would manage she managed the wealth of my grandfather. But I also saw the damage that was done to my uncles and my aunts being you know having their father killed at that early age and then each one of them suffered the consequences of that so that lead by little or the journey is going to turn it into coming here it will actually it in many different directions and it puts you in a difficult situation where you have to swim. Around. And then you discover that how much support means a big deal in you ability to be manifested and realized and so the whole notion of support became much more important to me than thinking oh I can do it by myself and yet there was really nothing you could do sometimes but yourself so what did you decide then to come to you know as a result of that I was raised in a community that by committing of Iran that was an internationally minded already kind of global mindset wonders of humanity was the. Price believe and equality of men and women independent investigation of truth and elimination of prejudice. So all of these teachings were interesting there but I wanted to experience them other places Oh I think so 1st time I came to my father. I was unmarried and I said to my father I want to go to come back and he said Over my dead body. I said why did my father say that this is about how you should have yes he said you know that's a country in war and yeah you're young girl you're not going to go in there without you know by yourself no way and I thought I was you know my father who is supposed to be very forward yeah the height so maybe not even he was exactly so anyway but I went to the. Local governing council of the high so we don't have it you know I didn't have priest I went to discovery Council and I told my. Maybe not very bright news I said you know I want to go to my father says no what can you guys do and they said Well. You know they said well you need to convince your father if you want to do something like that and. So you can't really be. You know not able to come into consensus So yes if you your job is to convince him so why not try so that's very difficult so some time passed and then I got a scholarship to come to your neck. And then I thought my father is not going to let me go so I went in and I said Father I got a scholarship to go as an economic consultant to the U.S. He said By all means I'm going to do with. Who I said how on your i really that he said because this is a forward thinking civilized place in the world yes and you will be growing you'll be learning and I'm not worried about you know going to a war zone just different regardless of the behind you are going to United States you know he was very fortunate and I learned that my father and the way I. Race is open to the universality of human spirit and oneness of humanity and my father has a reason and yes so therefore I came here and I have ever. Since then that was 966 or you can say I will and so ever since then I have learning learning learning so I decided that because I was the beneficiary of a universal global learning both from Iran when I was around. Who came from all over the world there to educate women the 1st schools in Iran were. Initiated by behinds in put everybody Yes so I cut myself I need to give 2 back to the world and how can I give and so my 1st order was raising my own children in the way they can give yes so I made sure that they are growing up with this universal mindset that humanity is one everybody is like a cell in that body and of any one cell goes. Against the rest of the body will die so I was in principle to me and so my children when my youngest was about 5 I decided OK this is hard for me to change another to another feel because all the time I love my mystical background I just love my Persian behind mystical background but it was no match for the science and so I wanted to learn how to match and integrated the science of psychology so that's changed my journey a little bit and then I became a psychotherapist That's awesome you just said it all a nutshell was also. Good for you as a little insight so I just ask you one last question one sentence what is your message to Americans like natural born Americans and immigrants in a larger long as a psychotherapist we welcome this is like you know in medicine you get a blood transfusion you get you know organ turns plants that is to make the life better so this is no difference here this is to bring in other mindsets other cults . Richness is and have a transplant of humanity into this beautiful garden which is the garden of us and the world so I say this adds to our strength and beauty so little diversity Oh I saw you know what we just couldn't have chosen I told you we saved the best from the hands of our that everybody would know we said the last 4 was the expression the best for last year we saved the best one has because you know what we needed that wisdom Well if I say these are the different flowers in the garden and diversity of flowers makes the garden more beautiful absolutely CAN GO GIRL Well thank you so much for sharing that we stayed leisure thing and you're going to have to come back because we could use a lot of this wisdom that you acquired over and lifetime so you're listening to impact with Pamela and Chang on Pacifica Radio thank you so much. We have come to the end of our exciting show impact on K P F K 90.7 F.M. 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