Of course to stop the invasion of Texas by Hispanics who would then take over the politics on behalf of the Democrats that's what he wrote but I feel I'm also worried about the Cuban on people who flock to Trump's rallies their worldview is even more demented and they believe that there's a guy called q. Inside the government who's leaking information to Donald Trump who is that the champion and that at some point or other they're going to purge the government because it's run by secretly by a deep state and by a bunch of Democrats who are in a child sex ring and they drink baby's blood and that you have to do a citizen's arrest at some point or other to stop this outrage so my sense is that it's even worse that Trump in a in a way is basically giving a very dangerous and unstable people permission to do what they think is a patriotic act. Well you know there's unfortunately there's just no limit to it seemingly no moment to the number of kind of groups and conspiracy theories and kind of very you know as you say troubling ideas about the world out there I don't know if it's worse now than it was 1020 years ago but it feels that way I think Internet and social media don't cause that but they give us greater insight maybe to things that have been there for quite some time. You know what troubles me and what disturbs me is the way he does that is this notion of you know the dehumanisation of your enemy you know we can have political conversations we can have you know we're going to debate about the wall is going to help with immigration illegal immigration and are these are worth it to spend that much money on the wall as compared to other border security measures you can have a debate about controversial things like immigration doesn't reach the level of of so dehumanizing your enemy and so you know raising the stakes too of the issue to this issues because the heart of people's you know identity who they think they are it's getting to that level of emotion and that that Trump does so effectively that you know I think it's a dangerous. Well you point out many examples in the phone take far too many examples of Trump's horrible rhetoric and a lot of articles are pointed out specifically in relationship to what happened in the Wal-Mart in El Paso one time long ago in a rally in the Florida Panhandle since rhetorical about the psycho Mexican invasion about the southern border and he said I don't know what we can do about it and somebody in the owning shelled out shows them and he smiled and enjoyed the applause from the audience and then said I'll be in the Panhandle can he get away with that so there's a flag an example but as you point out in the article he remarks about Baltimore also quite disturbing because he says essentially that no human being would want to live in Baltimore Well a lot of human beings do live in Baltimore they tend to be African-Americans so is he in fact saying that African-Americans are less than human. Well of course he would deny that and he would say the conditions are very bad Baltimore but you know . I'm Jewish and the idea this idea of touch tolerance. You know I don't get I'm not saying Trump is not but that was a technique used by her to make the Jews seen as far non-human that the only way that he could you know convince right minded people who had once been good people to do the the atrocities of the Holocaust dehumanization of your political politics such a dangerous tactic it's so on the coming of the press. It is it's mind numbing really to think that anyone would want to try to lead a nation. Truck in these car in this writer at that is just as it's very dangerous straight. Well apparently the f.b.i. As much as it's extraordinary to have I think it's the 250th mass shooting some far this year in El Paso followed you know only what 12 hours later by the 251st in Dayton Ohio but the f.b.i. Is now warning that they could be copycat and that seems to be what I find terrifying and. I see him that the f.b.i. Monitors these 4 chan and a chain saw it's and which would be a pretty hard job because it's proliferating sense much but do we have a handle since you worked in homeland security do we have a handle on what kind of population we're talking about of young white nationalists because boy one after another fits that profile whether it's the Gallic festival in Gilroy California or the recent shooting in El Paso. I don't think we do have a grip on you know I've done a study and done a lot of interviews with the f.b.i. Out of the deal was extreme Islam and how they deal with the far right extremism and a lot of their thinking was kind of about what worked in the in the ninety's whom remember the Ruby Ridge and the Waco and the militias that were springing up and of course Timothy McVeigh So obviously this became on the on the F.B.I.'s radar screen and my sense is they felt that they did a good job of communicating actually making relationships within these groups getting to know the people and some building some trust so that that the groups don't don't want to get crackdown by the government they want get wiped out so the idea was listen you have to tell us who you're are you crazy people are had a time we have to try to stop these things and that was was their approach it was a real you know under the radar but a very looking at an organized group we don't have warrant these these groups aren't organized now these as you point out or are individuals who kind of live in dark corners of society are not very social people we don't have connectivity don't have friends who would be able to you know say something about them ahead of time they talk among each other in these pretty secretive chat areas and you know they in some ways a as you say they try to outcompete each other they out that can there's lots of studies that small groups of individuals can kind of heighten the radicalization and as you said trying to top one another not how you get to people 1st of all who just have an idea or just talking you get to the point where somebody actually wants to engage in violence so I don't think you know why I think they do a great job and doing a lot of monitoring and there are instances that are preempted for sure no I have given the magnitude of the problem I don't think they have a grip on. And again I'm speaking with David Schanzer his profession of the practice and director of the triangle center on terrorism and homeland security in the sample School of Public Policy of Duke University Previously he was a Democratic staff director for the House of Representatives Committee on Homeland Security and counsel to Senator Joseph Biden and Senator William Cohen and he was also a special counsel to the Office of General Counsel at the prominent defense and a trial attorney in the United States Department of Justice and he has an article in The Guardian we must call the El Paso shooting one it is Trump inspired terrorism you mentioned McVeigh the Oklahoma bomb that was a while back and that's still the worst in terms of casualties short of 911 right in terms of one attack and how many people were killed. Yes I believe that's correct 86 people in fact all right so and that was a while back in he's I believe something of a hero in this kind of subculture that we're talking about. You know I don't know I don't you know I don't spend time in that culture or. Think about it that much I mean he's he was executed and. That was a very anti government and you know it was I did it you know the ninety's the right was the far right folks were really obsessed with the overbearing government government was going to take your guns away government was there encroach on your liberty this has a different feel to it you know Trump runs the government the federal government at least it's really not targeted at government entities although some aspects Sovereign Citizens do go in attack and kill law enforcement officers but this movement feels very racialist it feels very. About why it's about white supremacy So do you take government as much as it's about protecting white people protecting there is stark privileges and therefore pushing down demeaning and of course this individual the killing minority people. Well as you point add we've never had a situation where people that capable of this kind of form of domestic terror and killing their fellow citizens wholesale find the leader of our own country as their inspiration that's just surreal and again when you look at the q. And a on people who are more and more featured it trumps rallies and you look into their mindset and also the mindset of this shooter in El Paso I said earlier it's almost like these people see it as their patriotic duty in the case of killing on your freeing kids held hostage by a ring of pedophiles and run by the Democratic Party that's what that guy has shot up the restaurant in Georgetown believes and then a guy recently another Cuban on guy shot a mafia guy because their idea is that you have to make citizen's arrests and that queue inside the government working with Donald Trump again to finally give them all the signal to go out and make mass citizen's arrest of all of these terrible Democrats practicing child sex slavery and drinking the blood of children I mean it's loony but it's not adding the question that we'll see more of these killing on people acting on these bizarre beliefs. Where you're deeper into the acumen phenomenon. You know I share your your concerns are made there's doesn't seem to be any lengths at which. Individuals Well you know they have demonized in this hyper partisan environment. As you said demonize Democrats with the most bizarre kind of series but let's let's just talk about you know white supremacy obviously we've had. And. We've had a long history of the civil war we've had racists in the White House but if you look at the modern period the post World War 2 period you know and you can disagree with the policies on things like bussing and civil rights of plenty of the presidents but you know to have this overt racism and and to have a it's not just the rhetoric but it's the policies to do point this out in my article I mean there is a central program of the trumping ministration is to Mitt to diminish the political power of minority people by reducing the number of them by cutting you know things like cutting off the refugee program by intimidating them into not answering this as it's essentially trying to race them from the American political landscape in terms of counting the idea that tonight the idea that a African-American congressman citizen or a. Naturalized citizen are don't come from the United States they should go back from where they came from denying essentially the elements of citizenship. That came out of the civil war that came out of the 14th Amendment not the notion of. Birthright citizenship that was part of what the Civil War was fought about I mean we're talking about somebody who by his acts and his deeds is trying to undermine the foundations of our of our democratic principles and to try to institute through his acts and it's this principle of white supremacy being called scary you can call it you know I just find the poor it. Unites all him each other. Sure 99 percent of listeners do as well the problem is when is. It is there a majority of Americans an electoral college majority of Americans that that feels that way I guess we'll find out 15 months from well just in closing you have to add to the list of costs in terms of purging minorities and trying to get every last white person to vote or demonizing minorities in order to scapegoat them Brennan Center just did a study that 17000000 minority voters have been scrubbed from the rolls since 2016 but just in closing just to address your last point. Do you think that some indications for example that Mike De Wine a governor who's a big pro-gun guy he was giving all of these n.r.a. Talking points and in a town square in Dayton and the crowd started to chant do something do something and this pressure on Mitch McConnell to do something is there any chance that this moment can be seized upon. You know maybe I mean we saw Rick Scott who was supported by the n.r.a. I support some pretty decent legislation following a car correlates you know horrifically we have to have mass murders in order to get sensible changes to our laws I think I get a feeling that really that there is a lot of people who are just saying that they're fed up and they're just not going to take it anymore and. You know if you look at things like what's happening on Congo and I think a lot of people here take inspiration from that you know we need to kind of stand up and take action and be vocal I mean that's part of what stimulates me to cards right an article like I did it wasn't some fun to do that at all I have to say things like that about this this president about our our country but I think it's incumbent on all of us a kind of get out of our comfort zone and we have to sometimes have to just shout out. You know with the president people just as bold as these horrible people are they are doing what they're doing good good people have to be bold and brazen outspoken in response and I do get a feeling that something's issues we've reached a real threshold where the majority the great majority of our decent minded people in this country are and are not going to take this anymore when it would be helpful Well I share that hope and I thank you for joining us said David and thanks for having me and again I've been speaking with David chancers a professor of the practice and director of the triangle center on terrorism and homeland security in the Sanford School of Public Policy Duke University Previously he was a Democratic stop director for the House of Representatives Committee on Homeland Security and Sam just counsel to Senator Joseph Biden and Senator William Cohen and he was a special counsel to the Office of General Counsel at the patent offense and trial attorney for the United States Department of Justice and he has an article in The Guardian we must call the El Paso shooting what it is Trump inspired terrorism we can take a break station break back discussing have trumps demagoguery give mission to troubled young white man and follows a Cuban on radicalized online to act out their violent fantasies against Mexican invaders as almost a patriotic duty. 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Welcome back I me and Masterson This is Background Briefing available 247 a Background Briefing dot org And joining us now to Dale Brand who is a writer an artist whose recent article at medium dot com for Chan the skeleton keys to the rise of Trump became a viral sensation that was shared to recommended by people as diverse as j.k. Rowling and Marc Maron new book just that is it came from something awful how a toxic troll Army accidently maimed Donald Trump into office welcome to Background Briefing Dale Barron. I thank you for having me well thank you Dale and of course now after this horrible massacre in Paso followed quickly by another massacre in no higher the president made his statement today which was written by others and read it wasn't him speaking it was his staff speaking but he along with a Republican leader in the house chemical thing and various In fact all of the Republicans are all mouthing the n.r.a. Talking points that it's video games it's mental health it's anything but guns so right is this horror and we've had a bunch of horrors in this country and these were according to one statistic that 250th and 251st mass shooting so far this year and right only one in August so presumably they'll be more masochists is this going to change this absolutely sterile and useless debate where we cannot talk about guns in this country or little and do something about it well hopefully it will right the idea that they keep going on like this obviously something needs to change sensible gun reform is part of that picture though I think what is emerging now what I argue is that really we're seeing a wave of all right or far right terror that it's most of these young men are from similarly situated sort of marginalized outsiders they're young white males and most of them have been radicalized on the Internet. Towards far right ideology so that's really the other component here that can and needs to be addressed. Along with sensible gun reform. So your book of course talks about this culture and what formed it and what inspired it and what allowed it to grow and in general just the internet itself and the proliferation of smartphones has had the effect all you can't use the word dehumanizing culture but it has set us a sod from human contact you know you recall the sort of the famous sort of Thanksgiving Norman Rockwell picture of everybody sitting around the table if you go to a restaurant you've got a bunch of young people sitting there and they're all looking at their palms and texting. Is that a part of this problem you've got these young kids around 18 to 25 living at home don't have jobs don't have a future at least they don't they're not doing anything they're living in a comedic world where they find like minded people and they live in this kind of sort of internet back want to sharing these fantasies and sharing this distorted view of of life and humanity or the lack thereof and leave them to these actions so is it just the sort of extension of what sort of happening in a broader sense that we are not looking each other in the eyes we're not having human contact families don't sit down their meals together etc etc Yeah I think you've described that very well that the way that I frame it in the book is that. As society has gotten. Less good at supplying young people with really real needs like adequate housing or filling jobs or education it's gotten very good at supplying them with things they don't need like escapist fantasy products and invitations to sort of just hang out and drop out and do addictive things on the internet and live in fantasy worlds and consume. So that is very easy to do especially if your life isn't going well and you feel like you don't have hope for the future to just drop out and so what occurred is that there is a great new vast population of young people are doing this and the ones who are young men turns out they respond very toxically when they run out of hope and when they're sort of in the situation and the worst of them a lot of them end up being radicalized to the far right and then a lot of them sort of end up in a place of nihilism and despair where or or they imagine that they are sort of all right crusaders and then unfortunately we get. Out of this but you're right that it is something which incrementally effects everyone else that it's part of a larger story about how technology companies and large corporations have made the Internet very addicting that you know the apps that we use use the same sort of slot machine chimes and blips that casino companies use to you know keep you coming back to the those machines right if so they're designed to be enthralling and dictate addicting and who is most susceptible to that right well happy healthy adults they can resist doing that but it's young children right that those are the people who don't spend the most of their time on the Internet. So that's certainly part of the story that is like affecting everyone in an incremental way and you're right so a lot of these young men why they have conservative ideology is that they imagine sort of a Norman Rockwell and 1950 s. Picture of life and they realize that they're not in it they don't have it right they're sort of raising themselves on the internet or from difficult backgrounds and so then they cling to sort of a hyper conservative vision of say well if only I were at the center of society if only society were like that because I'm on the margins now and that's sort of like that falls into sort of like. A fascist dream of revitalizing society and the sort of idea that it was crumbling so that very much fits into their picture and when they when they fall into these ideologies you know to go back to a mythical Aussie in her world where blacks were and Hispanics were invisible right but you have to add that component surely that want to also going on here is that make America great again is code for return to a period when whites dominated and blacks and Hispanics were invisible and then essentially what they're doing and what Trump is doing in these right wing chat rooms are doing is they're blaming their woes on Mexicans and blacks and the idea that the country's being what exactly you can lift it from the manifesto this guy down in El Paso it's absolutely clear that he thinks he's doing the lord's work shooting Mexicans right yeah that's exactly right that what ends up happening is a lot of these young men lost in nihilism and looking for a value system find conservative men online who are selling sort of like they're like kind of like fake dads sort of selling these kids values a conservative value system and that comes with this sort of social Darwinist idea that life is this big competition and that you have to scrabble ahead of the other person and get on top of this power pyramid and that's very appealing to them because they are on the bottom so they think oh of course that's how the world works obviously it's a big power struggle because I'm constantly losing that power struggle and so then sort of the next idea is oh well if only I can put myself at the top of the power pyramid and put these other subgroups. Other minority groups are all these user preserve whatever who are at the top if I put them on the bottom then I'll be back on the top again that's classic fascist ideology. And. Very convincing them because they're so outside of society and so marginalized. And of course it's what happens of course they just get more dilute they get more delusional and more isolated right when when they fall it doesn't actually provide them with any hope it sort of provides them with a like a form of hopeless hope when they're convinced of this by sort of online nanny who are selling who are sort of selling this ideology but the one thing they can do in this culture spine assault rifle that just right that is what America office if if you feel I only needed helpless marginalized lost unloved and you don't fit in you can go I think there anywhere just about by a military style weapon and make you know Mark so again I'm speaking with a Oberon who's a writer an artist whose recent article at medium dot com for Chan the skeleton keys to the rise of Trump became a viral sensation that was shared in recommended by people as diverse as j.k. Rowling and Mark Marin new book just out is it came from something awful how toxic troll Ami accidently maimed Donald Trump into office now I've been looking into trying to make sense all the q. And a on people. And they show up in more and more Trump's rallies and right I don't know what the percentage of now people show up to rallies but they've got to be you know maybe 5 or 10 percent of the mic q. a Nun's and the idea that this man attracts these people who have one of the most sick and delusional world views that sensually to sort of quickly paraphrase that they believe that there's a patriot inside the government named Q Who is leaking information against the deep state to Donald Trump who's their hero and that the followers of Q a sense. Being told that the deep state is run by the Democratic Party who have a secret agenda of child sex slavery and drinking the blood of children and that you members are queuing on at some point around the queue and Donald Trump again to tell you to go out and make citizen's arrests to arm yourself and to make citizen's arrests all of these Turmel people who are doing these horrible things inside the deep state and you know we had one example of it with the guy who shot up the pizza place in Georgetown looking trying to free child sex slaves Hillary Clinton was keeping in the basement and when I say this stuff I feel like I'm I'm sounding like a raving lunatic but this is their belief system and then you add that to the guy down who shot all of those people in El Paso he really thought he was carrying out a patriotic duty he was inspired by Donald Trump who said the Mexicans are invading and if you add to that the killing on mindset which is pure Stutman sanctioned vigilanteism based upon insane beliefs right we are looking at a lot of domestic terror coming our way. Yeah that's very true right. And q. Went on I trace the history of it in my book it came from 4 chan from the art right board there. And this last shooting are not the last one actually not the Dayton Ohio one but the El Paso shooting was in a change shooting and that was the 3rd a change shooting since March so these are the same places that generate these ideas and you're right that sitting on the internet all day generates very poor reality testing. It tends to generate groupthink So people who have a delusional idea get together with other people with the same delusional idea and they get more convinced. And just simply not going outside and interacting with people then also cultivates the delusion and she went on is really a product of that the same culture. When it started on 4 chan I don't think even 4 chan believed it it was sort of a propaganda piece a troll piece but what occurred was other people who weren't users of fortune and I generally older folks that I've met that have been q. Supporters believe that because they were ardent Trump supporters and they didn't have really good reality testing. Sort of the Alex Jones crowd right so people who wanted to believe in their side but were very critical and that's how it propagated it and like you said it's absurd and it's sort of an agglomeration of us all almost all conspiracy theories. But yeah I mean it's essentially about a sort of powerlessness where people feel like oh well I. I know that Washington is lying to me somehow and they don't know how so it's they just invent a delusion where they manage and that oh this is the way it it it's happening. You know we I mean you had an example of that delusion of this idea of citizen's arrest and that's the part that I feel fears heading our way this killing on guy went to do a citizen's arrest of a mafia boss and Staten Island well to try to arrest him and then eventually shot him a live in times and right he thought he was doing again he was doing the right thing you know he was purging because this guy the mafia guys a part of the state and the Democratic Party. My gosh right I mean these places have always attracted the most on hinged people and you really see the ones that they are trying to do in Donal's that I don't really. The ones who are very interested in conspiracy theories going out I don't mean to interrupt you but they are attracted to Donald Trump they go to his rallies right so what what's that about I know that's what your book's about what happened there why is this president amounts the guy that these people are drawn to well yes so there's 2 subgroups I would say the older folks who are generally the ones who believe in the Q And on conspiracy they are generally folks who support Donald Trump because they believe he is an outsider willing to break the system the real true wrecking ball and they're not very critical right just like Trump himself promises has high promises all the time but rarely meets them so to they believe this idea that he is in fact going to deliver prosperity and break the grip of Washington insiders though he himself is promotes these insiders and and so forth so that is the generally the q. Anon group and then there's this younger group who are really marginalized young men who haven't joined life at all and they like Trump because they're either Nihilists who have dropped out and played video games all day and they love the idea that Trump is offensive end in fact going to sort of break the norms of and spit in the face of the quote unquote coastal elite right that he is so Norm breaking and so so troll himself and such a ridiculous buffoon and then the other portion of that group they are genuine far right conservatives who as you say believe in this sort of power politics where they imagine that Trump will restore white men to the center of society at the expense of all these other groups. And they feel this because they are generally young white men who are totally marginalized who are losers so when Trump speaks of winning. Right there we're going to win again who is that message to but losers but the people who really haven't won who were magic used to find their wife as a strain by string of losses so that's sort of the mix of Trump supporters that you find on these sites and it's a strange and disturbing one but that that's that but the history of that is what I try to untangle in my book. And you've been listening to Dale Brand who's brand new book just out is it came from something awful how a toxic troll Army accidently me Md Donald Trump into office a book we're offering up here in support a background briefing in k p a k 818-985-5735 it's a $125.00 donation and there's a whole lot more of my interview with Dale brand considerably more of it and he did spend a lot of time exploring this this sort of underworld where all of these young shooters are coming from and he has met with them talked with them tried to figure out what makes him tick studied these 4 chan and they chant websites. And that culture that exists there and. Essentially he's come to the conclusion that we are in the middle of an all right terror epidemic so what we've seen in the last over the weekend. Market to repeat itself the pattern is already evident these people do tend to be young white men. Aged between 18 and 25. Who are somewhat lost marginalized but they have access to powerful military style weapons and they act out their fantasies and the scariest part of all is of course the present United States has in a way given the people permission to do these horror. Well things because that is what he's been saying at his rallies over and over again demonizing the other and suggesting that your was your modularization the fact that you can't get a job is because the brown people and the black people taking over the country and you've got to fight back and of course the trump that showed up today in the Rose Garden he made a speech that was written. By his staff and he read it in a perfunctory way and in a passionless way but that's not the real trump the real Trump is the trump you see at the rallies who is demonizing people he's insulting people whose riling up the Cuban on people and it's as crazy as it is as crazy as Cuban on people they are flocking to his rallies they're out there they believe that they're there they are government sanctioned Trump sanctioned vigilantes waiting for his orders to go out and make citizen's arrest So Michael Cohen in his testimony said that if Trump is not reelected he may he won't leave office it's quite possible that he might. Activate cumin on all these sad demented white boys with their big guns and that is America today when 895-5735 the number to go to get hold of this book which really does explain what's going on at this moment and why it is dangerous and he also talks about how it can be fixed and it's a $125.00 donation. And again 189-855-7358 came from something awful how a toxic troll Army accidently maimed Donald Trump into office by Dale Duran. 189855735 The phones are lighting up people are getting hold of this book that's encouraging I think it's. As I say there's an awful lot more of this conversation with brand which I'd like to get to in a moment I'm just getting a signal here there in the lines open and if they are. Let's try and fill them and give me a cue as to when I can play more about the interview with Dale who I just talked to before we came on the air so. You know I don't. Normally have conversations with here is off on vacation so I'm sort of stuck here talking to myself. And doing what I'm not particularly skilled at which is fundraising although I should be by the time we've done some really fun drives here this radio station I should be an expert however I'm not but I do hope you can stick with us not to listen to the fun Dr but to listen to the content and there's more of it and let's go to it now and again I'm speaking with Dale brand whose latest book just out is it came from something awful how a toxic troll Army accidently me Md Donald Trump into office a book we're offering up here in support of background briefing in k.p. F k and 189855735 it's $125.00 donation here 818-985-5735 extension 2 get this extraordinarily topical book that really does the forensic analysis of who these people are that are behind these mass shootings and how much they are inspired by Donald Trump and how dangerous our future is because there are more and more of these people and as Trump becomes more and more and more besieged by reality when she denies and creates his own reality my fear they'll brand is. That there's going to be I mean Trump's already said he you know Michael Cone wound then in his congressional testimony the Trump doesn't want to leave office now we know that he probably doesn't want to leave office just like Netanyahu because he's going to end up in jail so he's capable as much as he today he tried to apologize or try to distance himself from white supremacists who he's always gone bend over backwards to praise and not to criticize he's equally capable of turning on the dime is he not and giving them this the key went on signal right he's always very reluctant to sort of deny people who are supporting him so if there was are far right nationalists or chewing on supporters he wants to show support despite their really unsavory beliefs that's happened many times so do you see it if things get worse for him and assuming that the Democrats get their act together and have somebody that could beat him if Mike account is right that he won't leave office and with the help of the Russians they may be out of fiddle the election results and create chaos which is basically what Putin wants is there a possibility that he in that mix you'll have Trump activate his real base which of these lunatics. Well I mean I think that he is already appealing to racist sentiment and whether that's in code or even more explicit as we've seen recently when he insulted members of Congress told them to go back to their country the far right sections of his base know that he has to encode some of this language and they are very forgiving they're close to them he is close enough so they know this double speak that you're talking about where he has to deny for a minute and then and then tacitly or subtly give support later so that's certainly something the strategy that I think he is doing now and the base they are split there are a lot of people who are really who support him still on particularly among the young men were writing a report on. Fortunately some of the in-cell community which And these young men who are really disenfranchised who end up going to the far right and shooting a lot of them going out to commit massacres some of them have been moving to the left a lot of them decided to support leftist candidates like Andrew Yang recently that happened on the chance in the same places that were supporting Trump so some are in fact disappointed with Trump but the ones who are the dedicated far right nationalists are still supporting him though the nice thing about well not the nice thing but the fortunate thing about this population is that they are very young so they are very material and prone to change they are sort of constantly in an identity crisis in a crisis of their circumstances so it may be that as Trump is continuing to be disappointing and sort of his buffoonery has disenchanted a lot of it it may be that the he doesn't chance more but you're right that the ones who are dedicated really enjoy what he is doing that they are not objecting to his rhetoric as it as as he is and now but if they can't get a job living at home there on the internet old alone they're talking to people filling their heads with all these toxic fantasies and all of this hate the one thing they can do in our culture they can't buy a home the compact car they can't get married but they can buy. Yes that's very true and I write about in my book how this is really key to into advertising and commodity culture where I know other people have spoken about how they market the guns as sort of reclaiming your masculinity and this links in to this is the part of that where the Republicans speak about video games where there are the chans and the young men on the chans really do idolize and emulate the male power fantasies they see in video games which are violent power fantasies and the 10 fantasies they see in movies action movies that are for young men so this idea that they emulate them when they go out into the mass shootings Well this is part of it because they're sort of lost in the same idea of I'm just going to drop out and spend my life watching movies and playing video games so the fact that they emulate them is is in fact true but that's really a side issue or at least one component of a larger issue which is essentially this economic issue that you're as you said they're they're sort of trapped and they can't get anything else I would add that the reading the sort of far right philosophy in the course of researching my book there's this strange metaphor where they imagine that they're dissolution they're sort of like personal problems where they can't get their act together is then sort of a metaphor for the United States so this idea that oh we're letting it society's crumbling and like oh we're letting in too many immigrants so they imagine Oh not only are these immigrants taking my place that's why I'm on the bottom but they also imagine oh well this is just like me I'm I'm like falling apart so this is why this idea peels in them though of course it's absurd toxic idea that only isolates them further. And that is more of Dale Grande the author of the book through a hang up here today a supporter Background Briefing and k.p. Of care when they made fun of 57 thrive the book is it came from somewhere all full power toxic accidentally maimed Donald Trump into office 100. A $5.00 donation here 8189855735818985 k.p. F. K. And I was just I'm just reading an article here to sort of support the profile of these people particularly what we know about the shooter down in El Paso and we're not quite sure about the shooter in Dayton Ohio yet. But there's just a poll now that's come out the 1st that the millennial zz. 23 to 3820.2 percent of millenniums and presumably this is even the statistics even worse from the one of the generation below the millenniums I think it's called Gen y. Own agenda 0 something I don't want to but anyway you know the younger crowd that are coming up now just to touch on. The millennial see 22 percent a millennial is in the poll said that they had 0 friends 27 percent that they had no close friends 30 percent that they had said they have no best friends so that seems to be. Support what David brain is telling us here that there's all this great well of alienation out there that these these father figures these sick Nazis are exploiting these kids and poisoning their minds and of course the person is poisoning their minds more than anything is the president of the United States so the book is. It came from something awful how a toxic troll I mean accidently beamed on Trump into office and it went 892-557-3598 extension 5 k.p. F.k. 125 dollar donation people are calling in and I think the lines full So let's go to another clip here of my interview with Dale and again I'm speaking with Dale brand whose brand new book just out his it came from something awful how a toxic troll Army accidently me Md Donald Trump into office a book roughing up in a support a background briefing in k p a k n 8189855735818985 k.p.h. Ok this is I $125.00 the nation here and 818-985-5735 extension 8 book that could not be more appropriate for the horrible moment that were in but it's also a book that allows you to understand who these people are that it creating all of this death and destruction and mayhem and what motivates them and the culpability and the role of the present United States in inspiring this movement and but basically Delio you know saying that we're in the middle of an all right terror epidemic right yes so elaborate on that so. A great deal of the shooters that we the massacres and the shootings that we've experienced in the past few years have been all right motivate at that when you look at the circumstances of the young men they were radicalized online they sort of self radicalized and they became far right neo nazis and that's why they committed the massacres so we had the El Paso shooting today and Dylan roof. And church massacre he was self radicalized online and then the other portion of it is when they're not far right they are identified as in cells or they identify themselves as in cells involuntary celibates sort of like losers on the bottom of society and sometimes it's a combo of these things so the Parklane shooting was also far right fashion just there was a man in Toronto. And in 2017 who appealed to 4 chan in his manifesto and called himself an insane I mean this is the list goes on and on there is 920 at least but many more that were smaller that were never covered so. When there are just so many that the fact that we've had 2 this week though it seems like the last one the one in Dayton we don't know much about that shooter but we know that he fit this profile though it seems like he was more on the left but he he kind of picked fit the profile of someone who was not doing well in life a city a young man with a lot of trouble that was having trouble getting out of his circumstances but for the most part it's all the same ideology so this is a real crisis that something really needs to be done about these fundamental forces that are creating this subgroup of people that Donald Trump is appealing to in his rhetoric who people who supported Trump in 2016 people who. Then Steve Benen Miley and. They actively recruited these people to campaign for Trump in 2016 so there is this union between them and Trump but they now after Charlottesville have really were treated to online spaces and this post Charlottesville period means that they're really they apparently are coming out to commit massacres instead so if this is the case right these underlying causes the economic causes and sort of the cultural causes that are creating the subgroup society really needs to look at those causes to stop this from happening right I mean one idea is to. Trying control the Internet to sort of tweak the algorithm so far right rhetoric is harder to find but if these young men are given hope and life in are given a chance out aren't given access to education it's those are really the big issues where if you if we start to implement real good social programs we'll see this problem dissolving so like the one man I interviewed a young man Caleb Cain who also was a near there was a New York Times profile on on him he was all right he was radicalized when he dropped out of community college because he flunked out and then he couldn't afford the 2003000 dollars to go back so he was on You Tube after being on fortune in his teens he then went on You Tube He's like I got to get my life together and You Tube through the algorithm he found all of these sort of far right or right leaning fake dads who were trying to tell him how to put his life back together and they radicalized him into sort of a far right philosophy. And that is more Abdulla brand whose brand new book just out is it came from something awful how toxic troll Army accidentally me and Donald Trump into office a book we're offering up here in support of background briefing in k.b. Of k. For $125.00 donation at 8189855735818985 k p f k And this of course is k p f k in Los Angeles $90.00 f.m. And I forget the rest of them but there's a whole bunch of other places around as well where we also have a signal at least to be assigned in this studio but it's no longer here but. In any case yeah 818-985-5735 is the number to call to get hold of Dale brand's brand new book it came from something awful how toxic Ptolemy accidently mean Donald Trump into office. 985-573-5818 extension 985 k.p. If k. $125.00 donation and there's a lot more of. My conversation with Dale will play that in a minute but we need to get some more calls coming in here to try and get this. The quote or fill filled for the day so we can hopefully get this thing over with soon and the sooner the better but we did manage to get at least 2 thirds of a program. To the public to try and. Sweeten that bit of hill of fundraising. And there has been some rain obviously trumpets all over the place with the making the 1st suggestion he made was he was going to tie the whatever they do about these mass shootings which would be precious little he was going to talk to immigration and his hardline immigration policies and use that as leverage with even the White House to explain to him that's not a very good idea Dano you know you know leveraging immigration when this kid went out and killed a whole bunch of people based upon his hatred of immigrants. Because they didn't tell him that. Inspired by you the man and they have a lawful spit nevertheless it shows you how insensitive and stupid and this fellow is but so many are he's. Floundering around suggesting a whole bunch of stuff that they. Won't amount to anything you know take a. Band video games. I can't see them investing in mental health. But Lindsey Graham at least is talking about something that's actually from California which is the red flag. Laws that came out as a result of the in cell. Down the in Santa Barbara who killed all those rashly young women. And it was quickly determined that. He was psychologically. Unfit I guess and and a danger to himself and to others but he didn't get the they didn't the cops came to interview him but they were asked and what required to remove his guns and he. Appeared to be reasonable and rational of the time they came.