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And welcome back to our national broadcast a day for the Pacifica Radio Archives My name is Mark Tarzan the director of the Pacifica Radio Archives and I want to thank all 5 listening areas for joining in on this day we do it once a year to support the Pacifica Radio Archives I've been in the archive since 1990 and I've only just started to scratch the surface of the $65000.00 programs in our collection it's overwhelming yet we are continuing our work and every donation that you make on this day helps us digitize another program we're asking you to donate $250.00 on this day it's giving Tuesday it's 100 percent tax deductible and when you make a donation of $250.00 that allows us to digitize transfer archive put in the metadata on another program that we don't even know what's on it so please continue making those phones ring at 180-735-0230 right now I would like to interview introduce to you to our national audience Johnny angel when Dell he's been 17 year veteran of radio here in Los Angeles and he is k.p. Of chaos and. Phyllis's impeachment correspondent who was very busy the past couple of weeks because as you know as everybody knows these impeachment hearings are pretty critical point in our democracy yes that is true and we heard today from Congressman Schiff. Who was the point man on the House Intelligence Committee and it would appear if you are not watching the news so today or you're just tuning in because you're enjoying a lot of the archival stuff that we're playing it would appear that the Halse intends to bring 4 counts of impeachment against Donald Trump 2 of which would be based upon abuse of power that as president of the United States on the matter of the Ukraine that President Trump was acting on behalf of his own interests as opposed to those of the United States is a clear abuse of power also that there will be one charge of obstructing Congress and that the White House has stonewalled. Veiny Mike Pence and others from appearing and these are subpoenas these are sort of if if Mark or Johnny angel the middle are subpoenaed we appear or we go to go to jail if they the White House is stonewalling on these and the 4th is a straight of just obstruction of justice charge on the matter of what was revealed in the Mulla report probably if I had to guess was going to be more specific than the hasn't been detailed entirely yet that we've seen. The firing of James Komi to protect Michael Flynn is that that's a straight up obstruction charge so it looks like for charges it's been a very very busy. News day. Yesterday a congressman from out here in California Duncan Hunter announced that he will in fact plead guilty to misuse of campaign funds you'll note Mark that Congressman Hunter before yesterday was pleading not guilty and claiming that all of this was a wake shot at so that the witch hunt would appear to have successfully nabbed a witch I don't know if it's the north east west or south but it would appear that the wicked witch of San Diego is going to plead guilty. To Harris another California politician running for president she's our junior senator is suspending her campaign. So that is another enormous it's a busy news cycle and Pacifica Radio is no stranger to the impeachment process that's right our coverage of the Nixon impeachment is 2nd to none we were one of the 1st to present the Nixon Papers in fact we had a whole team of comedians led by Harry Shearer and others who who went through and read many of these papers over the k.p. F.k.n. Pacifica airwaves and so those are in the Pacifica Radio Archives and of course there's been other presidents that have gone through impeachment proceedings including Bill Clinton yes so the fact that Pacifica has been here. Not just as a news organization but also presenting cultural aspects from our communities but being informed is a very significant Yeah and useful resource for each community we do not if we are not informed we cannot make informed decisions in our votes or we or we are at the mercy of those who would like to dominate the airwaves for example the Republican response to Congressman Schiff report was today say all of it is foolish ridiculous Donald Trump has tweeted out that Congressman Schiff is quote crazy he's saying. They're not refuting any of the points they're just trying to deflect and if all you get is deflection that's what you're going to believe is reality we don't do that kind of thing here if if somebody is baking a case or reporting it's not whether it's from the left or the right or from the center of whatever it's whether or not it's germane or it's real Ok what is real is ultimately critical you know and so what is real is captured in a lot of these archives and the. This actually happened this is history but when you're talking about what happened to Richard Nixon in 1974. 45 years later it's living history you know if you're talking about for example in the mid 1980 s. With the Iran Contra hearings are these also in the archives Did they are in their entirety that is an awful lot like what's going on now we want a foreign power to interfere and well and in the case of Iran Contra we wanted foreign power aid to interfere on the behalf of foreign power be Ok in the in the matter of Donald Trump we want foreign powers a to interfere in the 2020 elections so there is a difference but ultimately you are seeking overseas what you can't find domestically you know which is where the similarity between the Reagan era Country years and what's going on under Trump now why they're so so much the same well we're in good hands throughout the Pacific a network with commentary like what you gave us here in Los Angeles Yeah and there are going to be more starting tomorrow the Judiciary Committees will be holding hearings Fortunately this day which was originally scheduled for December November 19th was the 1st day of the impeachment hearings so we have shifted and adjusted our date to today so this day we have a goal of getting 22 people to call in Johnny in this hour in this hour if we can get 22 people to call in just like we have a stack of people to think you have to have called in during the day and we would love to hear to have 22 more people calling in this hour I think we can do that Johnny what number do you think they ought to call and again it's 180-735-0230 is the number it's toll free. It's giving Tuesday your money goes much further when you support a nonprofit like because you it's a tax write off the end of the year it's a tax write off which means that your money goes to somebody you like as opposed to Donald Trump's administration can I read some people these are people who want to be thanked on the are an awful lot of people don't and I can understand that they what they want to be anonymous That's wind and we respect you for it and we'll keep your name out of this Cathy McFarland of Salon a beach long time Pacifica supporter thank you very much Cathy thank you Jeanne Ladner refused to Texas thank you so much we appreciate it Andrew Hahn of al of media up north in the Bay Area thanked on the air Yeah Ok Roger be in Oakland California maybe Haber in New York City. Right California it's a monogamous one Ok Mark back elder and Santa sell both thank you so much we appreciate it Kareen Lollie in Santa Monica we appreciate this very much your support Thank you David Walker thank you George bliss in New York City New York thank you John hate in San Francisco probably Berkeley Ok And there are so many more if you want to and I want to make clear one of the reasons why this is really really important to add and what this is is that it is a u.s.b. Of Pacifica Radio Archives which holds like 60000 hours of our history and we're trying to archive all of it because tapes disintegrate Yeah they go away they go away here's an example of 2 examples of what happens to tapes on from Boston Massachusetts and I made a record in this studio that we were and I believe we recorded it came out. It was called interview studios and it the band the cars bought it and became synchro sounded that's all irrelevant however the intermediate studios the most famous record ever made that studio was the 1st record by the group Aerosmith and for many many many years that band has been asked Why don't you go in and remakes it it's muddy sounding and it's not very loud you know it's a dream on as the most famous song and what was revealed is that there was a lot of tape deterioration because the tapes just weren't stored and you know so they did the best they would could digitalized but the record essentially sounds the same they couldn't do anything with it we are in the co-anchor pass in Los Angeles if you are listening to us from Houston or Washington d.c. New York City or up north of the Bay Area where we are right near Universal Studios it's right across the freeway from us from the Ventura Freeway in those studios How long was it ago Mark that thousands and thousands and thousands of master recordings were destroyed in a fire there which it in tell us about it it was not a field in a New York Times article that's right no very recently Yeah these are the master recordings of some of the greatest artists of all time Billie Holiday Buddy Holly Ray Charles Tina Turner and others destroyed in a fire now what does means is while it is true that there are digitalized versions of most of if not all of what Billie Holiday recorded. If somebody wanted to go back to the baster tapes that were made in the forty's or the fifty's of Lady Day they can't do that anymore they can't go back to the source they could go back to a digitalized version and try to pump it up through Pro Tools and other computer gimmicks but it's not the same it can ever be remade it can never be remastered off the original tapes we are. Offering you is history that cannot disappear we will archive all of this stuff and this is stuff that when it's gone man it's gone you're talking about Bob Dylan you're talking about John Coltrane you're talking about Reverend Martin Luther King you were talking about. The Loris where to you're talking about cultural icons speaking freely now I don't know about you Mark but you know in 3 weeks Christmas is coming and I don't know what you do on Christmas but I know what I do on Christmas and I bet you that a few people in New York City and Houston at Berkeley and Washington d.c. And in Southern California I bet they do what I do Christmas is a time when you like to kind of lay back in your you. Know. Who better than yourself to be treated of a gift of listening to the people that shaped your formative years. Plus. Who better then your grandchildren your children who may not know this stuff who heard about this sort of thing that's a good gift for them but you talk about pleasure that you sit back and you put that u.s.b. Ported in your laptop or whatever you put on your headphones and you shut your eyes and Martin Luther King speak and in your head it's 1965 again you know it's sometimes nostalgia could be kind of you know gut wrenching in a way because on some level we know that this is an era that that has disappeared but if you hear it and you absorb this. Just for a brief moment you could be like I remember where I was when I 1st heard this or I remember that I wasn't woke I was a suburban kid then I just graduated high school I was going to college I believed everything that my father told me and then I heard Martin Luther King or I heard other activists from the 1960 s. And it resonated with me you can be brought back to that feeling by purchasing this u.s.b. And you're keeping us alive so consider that this is in a way you're keeping any era alive and the fight and you can do this by calling very simply 187350230187350230 What is it 1344 hours. We have 2 people on the phone right now and we need to have 20 people calling in our I know we can do this Johnny. One day out of every year we are on all 5 Pacifica stations in all 5 listening areas they've given up their day of programming so that we can present some of the best of these Pacifica radio archives going back to 1900 and we're going to be going through a cliff the 9 I believe 59 was here in l.a. But we are 49 in Berkeley Ok I did not yes and so we're going to go to one of these clips we're going to go with who was one of my favorite historical authors a really special guy interviewed him once Yeah over 11 50 am 1150 in Los Angeles 3 years ago or was one of was a guest George McGovern was a guest John Waters was a guess and it was fairly eclectic people and Gore's it all told. Something before you listen to this clip that fascinated me said Johnny I got to tell you something at the end of World War 2 I was absolutely convinced that we were facing the end of the stranglehold of organized religion and we're going to become a secular society says Johnny what what what what came in and say with organized religion in America Death Corbet all telling me this on the Arab sitting there like Ford somebody who I used to watch fight with William f. Buckley on television on Saturday afternoon as he's talking at me like hopping up the down of like a kangaroo I'm so excited I said Mr of it all what saved organized religion he said God damn television. He was also and that's the kind of thing that you get when you purchase one of these u.s. Pieces used you think to yourself. So that's how this history happened to evolve now I know well we're going to hear from Gore of adult talking about his he's talking about the end of our Constitution is under serious strain at this point in the early 1990 s. But but after a couple of administrations with Ronald Reagan one way of Bush Senior the 1st Bush and then Gore of it all gives a speech if he were around to see what this man has done to our democracy I think you could turbo charge what he's saying here so let's let's listen to this clip and as you're listening to Gore Vidal please keep those phones ringing 187350230 just know that when you're listening to this you will not only get the entire Gore Vidal collection which is at least a dozen recordings over the last 40 years you will also get over 1300 additional voices just like Gore Vidal keep the phones ringing 18735000 I belong to a minority that is now one of the smallest in this country. And with every day it grows smaller. And I am a veteran of World War 2. And I can recall thinking when I got out of the Army in 1946 well that that we won. And those who come after us will never need do this again. Then came the to mad wars other imperial vanity in Korea and Vietnam. They were better for us not to mention for the so-called enemy. Next we were in rolled in a. War against what seemed like the enemy of the Month Club. Remember Gadhafi remember Noriega all the drugs in the world remember Bishop of Grenada remember Bush Sr is standing tall in the Gulf somewhere. This long war has kept major revenues going to military procurement secret police well withholding money from us taxpayers with our concerns for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness Thank you I live 3 quarters of a thank you held on to the Constitution. And above all to the Bill of Rights Thanks. Times thank all of you. But I always felt that the Republic was upon such a firm foundation that no one could undermine it. Never once believed that I would ever see a day like this with a great part of the nation of We The People. Should be obliged to March against an arbitrary and secret government preparing wars for us to fight in sensibly they leave the fighting to us thank you. Thank you. Bush to the Texas Air Force. Cheney when asked why here devoid of service in Vietnam replied I had other priorities. Well so did 30000000 of us 60 years ago. Priorities and many were never able. To fulfill. How did human events bring us here today and all across the country we can certainly blame the oil and gas hustlers who have hijacked the government from the presidency to Congress to most honestly the judiciary Thanks it was Benjamin Franklin that nice witty gentleman who saw our future most clearly back in 1787 when he was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention at Philadelphia. He was old he was dying. He was not well enough to speak. But he had prepared a text which a friend read. It is so dark a statement that most school histories omits his key words Benjamin Franklin urged the convention to accept the constitution despite all its for. It might he said provide good government in the short term. And may be a blessing to the people if well administered and only end in despotism as other forms have done before it. When the people as so become corrupted as to need to spot a government being incapable of any other. Franklin's prophecy came true in December 2000. But the bank thanks when the Supreme Court bulldozed its way through the Constitution in order to select as their president the loser in the presidential election of that year at the The Big thank you but. Despotism is now secure in the saddle. The Old Republic is a shadow of itself. And we now stand in the glow of a nuclear world. Well the government it seems as it has its true enemy we are the people deprived of our electoral franchise. Only Gore of adult could have a little chuckle after talking about the demise of this republic on the eve of us going to war in Iraq under George Bush. And in the early 2000. 2003 Yeah and you know said so many important things there you know despotism is in the saddle I wonder what he would say is in the saddle today. I'm trying to think of something that's about 5 to 10 times worse. To be absolutely fair all by the way my name is Johnny Angel Wendell if you're wondering why Mark's voice changed so quickly because there's a 2nd person here and that's me absolutely to be completely fair to Donald Trump which is possible you could be fair to when. He hasn't dragged the country into a war like Iraq. Thing I can say about it I'm sorry it is true though. 2003 was all rable year I have to tell you though I may have if you remember before the core of it all clip I've been on the radio here in Los Angeles for 17 years the very 1st segment that I did. It was on this issue we were about to go to war in Iraq and I said I was watching c.n.n. At the gym that I worked out with and you could tell by the way that the clip was being framed of all these Iraqi generals and Saddam Hussein and their bits that they were trying to get us ready to go to war they look silly they look like characters in a 3 Stooges short is what I said on the air you know waving around gigantic scabbards you know and get up and label it like they were they weren't real and I said when you go to war with somebody what you do is you dehumanize your opponent so that the people back home are they're Ok with you dropping lethal weapons on them you know it's a well they're not really people anyway you know and that's what it was. I got to tell you Mark getting to the issue at hand here because what we have what we are doing here is that we are raising money for Pacifica archives Yes is that people will forget if you don't provide actual evidence that there were people who opposed the Iraq war now we're here in Los Angeles on k p f k and I know we're on to Berkeley and it Houston Washington d.c. And New York City as well I marched with 10000 other people Hollywood Boulevard right before the invasion and. You know I think it was at that event and Martin Sheen and others Martin nice Martin and Mike Farrell or left out the front you know Mike Farrell was on mash at Martin Sheen It was an Apocalypse Now. It was. 10000 people and I had to go and at the end of this I was on a conservative radio station here in Los Angeles before I was on the air america affiliate and we had to give equal time to a pro-war rally in Orange County the true 65 people in other words the 10000 of us on Hollywood Boulevard were the equivalent to 65 behind the Orange Curtain 16 years ago and you just it's what management wanted it's commercial radio you do what management deems best if you want to stay on the air the job's a job you know I know that wherever you are in the 5 cities that we're on or listening on the Internet when your boss tells you to do something you do it or you don't work there anymore so that's what I did I was trying not to be snarky about it to we had one of the 65 people on it was courteous as I could muster but the fact of the matter is there are 10000 people in the streets protesting this thing as opposed to 65 in a park in Huntington Beach so it's just it seems to what I think is Fullerton Actually it is it seems to me that you want to get this forces the change the world this this u.s.b. 425-2250 dollars donation or you want this because you could say these people were there Mark. Did you ever hear the story of why the white Eisenhower took so much Times was so deliberate when he liberated the death camps in Europe Ok let's hear it. Twite Eisenhower was that was the head of allied forces that stormed to Berlin from the West you know when the Russians were coming in from the east when they started to liberate people from the death camps that the Nazis and set up Eisenhower said I want all of this on the fill all of it and the reason Eisenhower said this he said as soon as we leave there are going to be people who claim this never happened I want all of this on film I want this archived so that there will never be a dead nihilist that said this was so we're in the same blight of work here that's absolutely true we see so much denial of history bestially things this in ministration came into office that. This collection is more valuable than ever if that point alone doesn't make you get to the phones please understand that this collection is considered by the Library of Congress the most important community radio collection in the United States we have $50000.00 more tapes that we must digitize each one of those to do both that work and the metadata work to put it onto a digital platform is $250.00 per tape that's exactly the amount of this pledge in return we will give you the voices like Gore of adults Now this was done in 2003 but we have it all going back to the 1960 s. He's an incredible author an incredible speaker he has access an insight from an insider's perspective with no allegiance to it now as Johnny Wendell was saying earlier his previous sponsors made him do things our bosses are you the listener that's right we are listener sponsored We depend on you the listener to help us follow through on our mission which is to inform the public and to engage the communities yet. And give space to the communities and that's why you hear from all of these communities in these recordings were playing all day long Rosa Parks housewife What did she do James Baldwin a writer what did he do Bob Dylan a 20 year old folk singer What did he do Fannie Lou Hamer a woman who wanted to register her community to vote what did she do Allen Ginsberg he wrote a poem called Howell and read it live on k b of a and we went all the way for an indecency ruling on that one George Carlin. He's a comedian what did he do well he gave a little spiel here on our station in New York and we went to court but what did he do for w b a after we get into trouble for airing his 7 dirty words routine Yeah he ho's on Saturday I forgot this he was the very 1st host for Saturday Night Live the next Monday which is 2 days later he's doing a free concert sold out benefit show for w.b. 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For a moment and then it's on the shelf or in the trash can this is something that will entertain you for years to come and when you're done with it you can pass it along to another person it's literally the gift that keeps on giving please call 180-735-0230 extension 250 dollars joined like Andrew Gargano from New Jersey musta been listening on w.b. Ai in New York City Debra Crippen Santa Rosa California musta been listening a in Berkeley California. Ya mean called from Houston Texas musta been listening on k p f t that's what we need we need all of our listening areas to respond right now we need 15 more people to call in the next half hour for us to reach our goal Johnny Wendell veteran of l.a. Radio for the last 17 years there you know Rocker may interject something perfect note thank you for the intro Rocker yes before it was on the radio rock musician professional rock musician since 1977 bang in my fingers and head to a pulp w.b. Ai it New York City Mark is famous among rock n roll musicians and connoisseurs of rock n roll for being the 1st radio station out of which bands hometown to put them on the radio. You don't know this very interesting I'd love to know I know they put a Leonard Cohen on they put Leonard Cohen on the radio but that kid 969 Ok they put a band on. That we're not getting played on commercial f.m. And certainly not commercial am radio was back in 1960 9 am radio was was Top 40 Ok you know now it's you know. Crazy right wing crap ola but back then it was was. Am radio was was hit 169 you'd hear hits you hear The Beatles you know but w b a I our sister station in New York City was the 1st radio station outside of Michigan to perform to play this group that nobody had ever heard of the Stooges the studio. And I believe. If my recollection holds played a live tape of the Stooges either from the Grand Ballroom in Michigan or maybe from a club in New York City I think it's called to God knows where they played at and they had a life to be a I had it they play it over the air and this tape was taped by a couple of guys in Queens New York who became complete devote of the Stooges in this life tape and they started their own band about 7 years later you know what they were called now they would be the Ramones. W b a i k p s k the Pacifica network in our own little way aided and abetted in the formation of punk rock the music that changed your friend Johnny life and made me the lunatic 63 year old that I sit here before you today absolutely Pacifica has done that in so many different areas we want to think. Who just called in from Livermore California San Francisco Bay Area thank you so much keep the phones ringing 187350230 I was saying in this studio here in Los Angeles we had Tom Waits jump on our 9 foot concert grand and did his very 1st line performance of San Diego serenade Ok right before Nighthawks on the diner came out and you could hear him working out the lyrics because the lyrics he saying. Live were different than what we're on the record you know which which tends to happen. It's interesting yesterday we were watching the echoes in the canyon Yeah that was a great documentary what took place here in Laurel Canyon in Los Angeles with in the 1960 s. It was home to so many great creatives but what was what was what we saw that I never knew is that the Eric Clapton's famous hit song Let it rain was derived from a Buffalo Springfield song called questions which most people know as the 2nd part of that carry on medley of Crosby Stills Nash and Young 1st record together but I did not know that Eric had essential he cribbed the studio. But he was on it he admitted it you know and it's fascinating stuff like this that is part of history that we are offering to you absolutely get to the phones right now 187350230 we have a couple of lines open right now in this hour so we need to get you to the phones and for a $250.00 donation you will get the gift of knowledge the gift of history the gift that will keep on giving and it's a perfect gift to give on this Giving Tuesday we're a nonprofit 5 a $13.00 c. So your donation is 100 percent tax deductible and on this day around the United States over $200000000.00 are given on this day and it would be very nice for you to choose the Pacifica Radio Archives on this Giving Tuesday as your destination for your final donation dollars for the year 187350230 again there are so many great voices and here we heard Robert Kennedy from 1968 what an. Spidering speech from somebody when we think about the 1960 s. And how many great people we lost starting with his brother John f. Kennedy Dr Martin Luther King Jr Robert Kennedy a lot of our leaders were putting literally their life on the line Pacifica Radio was there to record these voices these voices needed to be heard they try to silence these voices through assassination but these voices live on and we want to make sure that they live on even longer we need to keep this collection alive and well and digitized the next batch of recordings every donation you make helps us digitize another recording please get to those phones we have 15 minutes to go and we need 15 more people we can do that that's only 4 people in each listening area picking up the phone right now 807350230 I would like to ask people on the 5 stations in question which are k p f k Ok p.f.a. Of Berkeley k p f k here in Los Angeles w b a I in New York City k p f t and Houston Texas w p p p s w w w p s w in Washington d.c. . If you are somebody who has sons and daughters or grandsons and granddaughters or nieces or great nieces great nephews and you try to explain to them what the 1960 s. Were like good luck. It's my children take American history in Los Angeles is public schools and both my sons have asked me at one point you know dad you are x. Amount of years old do you what do you remember about all of this stuff that they taught that they are taught about this 1st the civil rights movement that the antiwar movement that the Stonewall riots because those. Are brought up in school now as well the Native American rights movement the a.i.m. People women's rights as well feminism was born into it women's liberation was born in the 1960 s. And they understand that this is when all the stuff was born when I was there or age and they say what was that was this on the news all the time I was like yeah every day I'd say I did your grandma would be playing solitaire smoking spring cigarettes watching television in the kitchen as a as American soldiers were being dragged off battlefields and via maimed and massacred I said yes it's real down the street from where I grew up in a Unitarian Universalist Church there were teach ins to let you know how you could effectively be an activist against an undeclared war in a nation that posed no threat to the United States uses Vietnam you know you could you could learn what you could do what you could say further on on the issue of the bombing of Cambodia the mining of Haiphong Harbor all of this stuff It's living history it exists here you know and you can go and you can sit people to wikipedia dot org If you want or whatever on the websites but auditory when you hear somebody say I was there this is what happened this is what I saw people who are really good speakers painting pictures with words people like by Angelou people like James Baldwin people of certainly like Dr Martin Luther King certainly Robert Kennedy were brilliant orators and you hear it. You can imagine yourself swept up in the energy of the moment and it's a look at the $250.00 That's a fair amount of cake for most of us be included certainly sure we were poor folks here you know this is. This is this is not you're not listening to Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern were poor folks Ok but this is the kind of thing that we all should be together because it's part of the history of our nation you know it's funny we have we've Howard Zinn is on this issue we're going to play him in just a minute the history of America his he is from Boston University and. Noam Chomsky as well absolutely he's a friend of mine back and back in Boston I'm from Massachusetts. Howard Zinn's books have done about as much to change a lot of the curriculum at schools what teachers give these books to kids as anything Ok I'll tell you one thing about how words and we are 1st recording of Howard's End is 1963 yet he's been a friend of both from that very 1st day and when he came out with his voices of a people's history series where he would get Hollywood celebrities and each town to come in and read from his book he would grant Pacifica the exclusive right to record these. These events including you know here in Los Angeles I went to. Reading. Danny Glover it was just like a all star celebrity reading any Everybody wanted to be part of these and this is part of the collection when you call 180-735-0230 Johnny were talking about you know the wars that have gone on the illegitimate wars you know when we heard from. That's the beauty of hearing the wisdom of somebody like the doll who's putting these pieces. Together He's a veteran of World War 2 unlike this president that we have today who hasn't seen any action in any war. A veteran of World War 2 he says in this speech we thought that was it we're done. For the World War was done we detonated 2 nuclear when we. Have there's no way anybody's going to arm themselves to do any more harm to any other people ever again we're done let's move on with our lives oh he was wrong to be Gore should have known because World War one after all which preceded World War 2 was known as The War To End All Wars this was the World War One in which 10000 men would die in a day in the trenches in France people came back said they will that can never happen again this one nobody who has ever seen this would ever wish that this would happen again at all Fittler was was in that war and what 18 years after the armistice was signed was back at it so the thing is these people forget unpleasant stuff really fast you know and you are only your ammunition against the craziness of people who will say oh it's different this time an ammunition dump on some sleep those phones ringing 180-735-0230 we're going to go now to a clip from Howard Zinn from 1904 this one is also from a World War 2 perspective Howard Zinn was a Bombardier. He got to think about war very much as he became an educator and what he wanted to pass on to his students and he gives a lifetime of knowledge thinking about is there a good war and this talk do not ever forget that in my lifetime it marks as well the most profoundly anti-war. Main party presidential candidate was also a bobber day or 2 it's very interesting those who have experienced it they added to it now many of them are tourism the director of the Pacifica Radio Archives Joining me is Johnny Angel Wendell for this hour we're going to a clip Howard's in a little speech called The Good War from 1904 and please if you're listening at this keep the phones ringing 187350230 when I was discharged from the army from the Air Force I got a letter. He was sending a letter not a personal letter to me. Dear Howie you know. That it was said to 16000000 men who had served in the armed forces some women to. And the letter was something like as. We've won the war congratulations for your service it will be a new world it wasn't a new world and we know it hasn't been a new world since World War 2 war after war after war after war and 50000000 people were dead in that War To End All Wars fan fascism dictatorship and militarism So yes I came to conclusions that war cannot be tolerated no why don't no matter what we're told. And if we think that there are good wars and it therefore meant well maybe this is a good war I want to examine the so-called Look wars the holy wars and yeah and take a good look at them and think again about the phenomenon of war and come to the conclusion yes war cannot be tolerated no matter watch with Told the matter what tyrant exists what bought it has been crossed what aggression has taken place it's not that we go to we're going to be passive in the face of charity or or aggression no well we'll find ways other than or to deal with whatever problems we have there war is inevitably in Evidently the industry minutes massive killing of huge numbers of people. And children are a good part of those people every war is a war against children. Shows it's not just getting rid of. Saddam Hussein think about well we got rid of Saddam Hussein and of course if we killed huge numbers of people who had been victims of Saddam Hussein when you fight a war against a tyrant who did kill you kill the victims of the tyrant Anyway all this well this has been simply to make us think again about war and to think you know we we're at war now. Right in Iraq and Afghanistan and sort of in Pakistan since we're sending rockets over there and killing innocent people in Pakistan and just so we should not accept that. Always look for an ad look for a peace movement to join really look for some peace organization a joint. It will look small at 1st and pitiful and helpless but that's how movements start that's how they're moving against a Vietnam War Start it started with handfuls of people who thought they were helpless thought they were powerless but remember there's a power of the people on top of the pens on the obedience of the people below when people stop obeying they have no power now when work is your on strike huge corporations lose their power when consumers boycott huge business establishment have to give a damn when soldiers refused to fight as so many soldiers did in Vietnam so many deserve this so many fragging actually some violets by and listed many against office was in Vietnam. B. 52 pilots refusing to fly bombing missions anymore to work can't go on. When enough soldiers refuse the government just has to decide we can't continue so yes. People have the power if they be in for good nice if they protest if you create a strong enough movement they can change things. That's all I want to say thank you. Yeah my name's monitors I'm the director of the Pacific Coast Radio Archives I'm joined by Johnny Angel window in the last hour and those are very wise words from Howard's End taken from a perspective that not that many of us have which was World War 2 veteran a Bombardier Yeah and a historian you know putting it all together years of wisdom thinking about this is there a good war of course not and. You know this is the this is the wisdom that you do not get in school very often you know and Howard Zinn has been part of the Pacifica Radio Archives since 19631 of his early students was Alice Walker who would go on to win a wonderful you know bet she would write a bestselling book The Color Purple right would win incredible accolades and you know he inspired his students to think big and to think about the important issues of the day Howard Zinn Oh look we have another person to think over here and it is Boulder Creek worth Yeah Mary v. 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