God. This is Jennifer Stone with stones the role today is July the 3rd 2018 and tomorrow we celebrate the festival of. The 4th and anyway I panicked last night and I looked up film a movie called confirmation and I thought My God if the Democrats allowed Clarence Thomas to be selected. God knows what they'll do this time around keep your fingers crossed somebody somebody is paying attention somewhere. I. Can't remember now it's been almost 30 years 27 years since Clarence Thomas arrived at the court but he's done a hell of a lot of damage in that time and of course he's still relatively young. The guy that the woman or the person or the judge who sits on the court as the 9. The 9th voice is not just well it it's much I think it's more important than the presidency but that's just my point of view I thing. If you look closely at the situation. You'll just panic as I did there's no way. That we can get anybody who's even middle of the road now that sit judge Judge Kennedy was a middle of the road or I remember when he arrived on the scene I remember writing a game and he seemed to be reasonable but certainly nowhere lefty. I don't know his decision to leave the court I I I can't forgive him but what the hell here do what you have to do We were afraid that it would be Ruth Bader Ginsburg she's managed to hang on a Goddess bless her I thought about it the last night and I remember a film a movie it's on h.b.o. It's called confirmation if you can look it up there be fascinated by I still remember the actors the one who played Clarence Thomas was awesome I thought it was a documentary. The Anita Hill character she was wonderful in this scene where she goes home to tell her parents that she's about to go in front of a the Senate Judiciary Committee and become well. I guess you know the one in Babylon the public the well the jokes about her were incredible Until of course she appeared and began to speak and then you see the people in Washington watching her and saying oh my God you know she is for real she is intelligent and she didn't want to be there she was asked by you know the powers that be. I don't think I don't think I remember the wife of the real Clara. Thomas I saw her at the hearings for a moment and I thought My God what is she thinking she is a white woman she's been busy in conservative causes ever since so obviously I. Didn't understand but in the film confirmation you see him you see Clarence Thomas struggling trying to say something intelligent to his wife and she just looks at you but. I can't figure out how it is that it happened so quickly now several Democrats have said that the confirmation was slipped by them they'd been away for the weekend and the other senators came back and voted for confirmation I don't know how it happened I still can't figure it out but. The committee chairman was Joseph Biden. Ah our own Joseph Biden the character as played in the film is kind of bullied and pushed into just accepting this situation I I still can't figure out how Joe Biden could have let that happen but I have to say he wasn't paying attention. I think that those hearings. Were so painful I remember thinking how on earth could they could they confirm this guy she was obviously telling the truth and. I guess they just didn't care. I guess I guests Clarence Thomas will be there certainly for the rest of my lifetime and probably. Probably another 20 years I'm afraid. Now traditionally the seat that Clarence Thomas took was the black seat on the court. Famously hockey pide by Thurgood Marsh no no right winger they're good Marshall a lot of of the commentary is about. Thurgood Marshall would be appalled by what was happening he was of course a progressive famous famous for. Upholding civil rights and Clarence Thomas represents the antithesis of Thurmont too much Thurgood Marshall. And I'm coughing here I'm sorry I nearly slept through my show today. I must be slipping is. An effort was made to stop that confirmation yes by Anita Hill but but you know. Before anybody could get it together she she was what is it sent back home and there was a row a list of other women who were going to come and speak about Clarence Thomas and they were all told to split I remember thinking the next one coming up was much more. Know how to put it. No Raul but she was a tough tough woman and she would have said things in a different different tone she had no none of Anita Hill's gracious lady manners. I think that the sexual harassment issue you know had barely surfaced at that time and Clarence Thomas was one of those in the go but supposed to be dealing with a rash meant that when she worked for him she said that it meant a lot to her the work they were doing which is why she didn't quit. Now I still think that. If there'd been another week everything would have been different now this time this time I just hope that the Democrats will get it together and have a plan at least I don't see how they can stop it. Trump let's see he has 2 years yes he's got more than 2 years to go when President Obama was prevented from being able to put. A good judge on the court laureate was his name he. He actually was the 1st to congratulate. The last winner poor guy I guess they all know what's going on I don't know. I don't know what was happening then I just know that. President Obama simply could not get his. His pick on the court they simply wouldn't they just wouldn't even convene the committee. I don't know how they can do that exactly I I'm not sure the constitution just says the president will appoint and the Congress will advise advise but advise and consent Oh dear obviously. They can they can stop a president from choosing the justice he wants on the court. I just don't know. Just don't know there's such a chilly win blowing in the country right now. I don't know if there's any way to stop this happening the. Question of course is. Moot because we don't have we don't have a. Select team yet but I believe I heard I heard the president say that he was going to look at his list of conservatives you did say conservatives. I'm afraid I'm afraid we're in for another horrible t.v. Show once again it's called confirmation and it's on h b o I think I think. I don't think. I think my show last Tuesday. It went out half way through some technical difficulty but I remember I was talking about George Bernard Shaw he was talking about the follies of the left wing a said we should have had socialism long ago but for the Socialists. Indeed let's hope that together. Democrats can make a difference this time. I guess. Show is so interesting he says that you mustn't sacrifice yourself too. No not in personal relations anyway. He didn't well he wasn't talking about the sacrifice that we human beings make sacrifices made to aid society. I think of Thurgood Marshall's compassion the passion for all that's what calm passion is. I got pay think we're going to see that on on this go around. Of course the court is always a $5.00 to $4.00 situation and. Justice Kennedy was usually the swing vote I'm afraid that this time we're in for agreeing. To call it a right wing. Majority straight through Show says that. Those to whom you're sacrifice yourself dislike you in the end. When I look at these politicians I I think that's all true. There is. Plenty evidence in the case of. Women. I'm not sure the show got it right because it seems to me that so many men and women to. Look at someone who devotes themselves to to another person to a cause. I think these people sometimes when they sour or nay we say burn out. We assume that they are just tired I think they've given up on their fellow man. Anyway. Service to others is overrated is what I'm trying to say. And a Supreme Court justice must be someone who's got the ultimate. Compassionate point of view now. That anybody who is. Put on that court soon. Is going to affect the lives of not just our children but our grandchildren. I think it's I think we ignore this stuff at our peril I don't think people are going to pay very much attention they surely didn't pay attention back in I believe it was 91 when Clarence Thomas was put on the Supreme Court he doesn't talk you know he I think he's given maybe one or 2 interviews but he he does not express himself. In a public venue he writes it down cover his post dearie or you know. Ok. I wish I wish I could say that. Some of this some of this might change it's complicated that that that's the new phrase the new little month every time you hit a wall you just say oh it's called look. It's a wonderful phrase I I have several mine this year is always I don't know I don't know as a very young woman I used to just say you know you know you know an angle into people's arms that try to get them to see my point of view but I never do that anymore I just decide and say I don't know I don't know. Folks best of times worst of times whatever. I was thinking on the 4th of July I watched a little television and I thought to myself. Ok I don't hear I don't hear America singing I really just don't remember Walt Whitman said that America was and I think. We may have we may have. Oh we may have dropped the ball this season I. I looked up a whole bunch of stuff about how you behave and act when you're debunkers begins to sour change. Think of the Roman Republic death of Caesar all kinds of things that parent bases are actually was trying to be a little more humane at the time he was killed by his fellow men it's the senators decided that he had enough enough chances to be. Their advocate. Anyone e Bay But who decides to be the people's advocate. Is is going to be in deep trouble. Whatever that was the phrase I like the best one word part mean and phrase one word or the ever I even bought a little need on a sign that blinked on and off saying what ever I've never been able to replace it . I got it at Walgreens I think and. There aren't any more there weren't any more I never can figure out where these things go that little neon sign made it's Dave nice out in the building as people's door I. I wish I could replace it or something something new bumper sticker response to this site God's spirit of the age. Ok so many of us. Try to communicate those who try to communicate on social media I think their voice is just just go off into the stratosphere and they are never heard again yes bumper sticker that's what I need a bumper sticker a label some things to tell me what to at least not what to do but what to think so whatever. So today. I'll try I'll try with the words. It's complicated I love it. We can embrace ambiguity that's what it means yes it's complicated ambiguity is what it's all about I believe they call that situational ethics. They labeled Bill Clinton with that term situational ethics Yes well you do have to do what needs to be done or what can be done I think that it's all a very mixed bag I think everything depends on your motive that the motive is what morality is all about now more reality says George Santayana is the desire to lessen suffering on Earth. Every time something's going on we try to ask ourselves just how much suffering can be alleviated by our sacrifice by our actions by our efforts. Our sacrifice to other sacrifice even to ourselves should or an artist or a scientist ignore the needs immediate needs of his family and friends in order to pursue his art or science you know that though because higher goal. Arch art. Give the world truth and beauty and let your children go to the dogs we all know. What that's all about anyway. There's a t.v. Series out that I like very much called Genius they've been to 2 seasons the 1st season was. Albert Einstein nice season running now it's public because oh very different points of view but also men who certainly didn't stop to consider others they simply went for what they thought was important and their families of course do suffer. Lovers children but. Still I think that the great gifts that these 2 men offered. Well you have to be you have to be why to know what it's all about I mean it's complicated. When I was appealed to by political activists to participate in the fight against fascism He said that politics was irrelevant in his scheme of things physics is eternal he's right about that I guess he didn't think it was worth his time because fascism he thought was just maybe something that was a phase. That was true enough. But finally he does act when fascism invades his personal space one of his oldest friends. And even though. He takes no thought about his own Jewish heritage doesn't seem to be interested in that. It's not worth his time but as the militarism arises around he says it's just well same old same old human nonsense and then one morning you know there's a Zen slap and he wakes up. Later the. U.s. Security agents want to bar him from entrance to the United States this is kind of a shock to him his wife of course straightens things out tries to explain what he really means with us maybe anarchist philosophies. Maybe the. Character in Washington is wonderful he of course thinks Einstein is a communist same old same old. J. Edgar Hoover was suspicious. That Einstein's wife Elsa so wonderful character in this show genius. She's played by. Emily Watson one of the great English actresses. She she is very patient with him he kind of reaches out for any woman within reach. Picasso goes out and scoops him up he. Runs into one on the street always and says I want to paint you and sure enough next saying you know she is his lover. You know Pablo Neruda knew better than all those guys he knew that art is always beyond politics it's never above it that's a good law and yes art is always beyond. Politics but it's certainly never above it. The artist lives in his own time and he asked to pay attention and slap us we live in a society culture an era place and a time when there are limitations there are also freedoms you know things are changing everywhere as the stand up comic Mort Sahl back in the fifty's. Maintain a consistent position early eventually be tried for treason is true true true. In Mr adapt adapt It's a dime stand fast to the eternal verities. Picasso is persuaded at one point in. His show he is persuaded to paint guru Nick thought that was his contribution he thought his lover door of Mazar persuades him that it's very important to pay attention this little village in Spain was blown to. Blown to you know where. He tries to pull himself together remembering that he was of course is a Spaniard so. He knows that the terrorist government of Francesco Francisco Franco is a pretty bad scene. The Spanish Civil War that can then 1930 s. True conscientious people from all over the world many of whom died over there in Spain I think of so many the Lincoln Brigade it's a group of Americans they they were still meeting I remember recalling one of their dinners. Oh gosh somewhere in Czech London square in the I think in the late seventy's I was writing for the local newspaper grassroots and I went to this dinner with the Lincoln Brigade and there was still a hell of a lot of people well maybe it was there maybe it was their families their children but anyway. Ernest Hemingway you know wrote all about that he loved to go to war just so he could get material you know I mean I don't think he would have put it that way but he knew he knew it's complicated. In a Farewell to Arms It is the woman who died I think he was very astute about things like that. We know that the wars women fight our only just beginning to emerge in our country in literature anyway. In a Farewell to Arms the woman dies in childbirth and. Helen Hayes did a terrific job Uri Cooper was x. Trimboli poetic. Until he got in front of a committee and self back in Washington I am ashamed to say that Gary Cooper was not a national hero he. I don't remember exactly what he said but he condemned communism and so forth. I think of the women emerging in literature trying trying to say stuff. George Sanders tried books or forgotten George Eliot certainly tried and I think her books still stand but they're they're not fun like Jane Austin. I think you know church sent it tried she let She slathered her stories with romance she thought then she would be read. George Eliot was so profound I think that she still is. One of those women writers who has to be unpacked. I haven't had a chance to tell you any of the things I meant to today probably because I'm still waking up. 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Supreme Court announced its decision to support Janice vs asked me which will eliminate the agency shop for public workers we'll talk with a leader of the Massachusetts teachers union about the effect of this decision we will also hear from workers who protest against racist attacks workplace bullying at the San Francisco medical examiner's office on June 28th 2018 San Francisco medical examiner Dr Michael Hunter was charged with allowing races incidence and physical attacks on union members but 1st we go to the ice headquarters in San Francisco where an occupation is taking place in front of and we're joined with houses participating in that action what's going on now Al at the Ice Center in San Francisco welcome to work with our. Thank you. Basically they have barrier fence. Or wall or the wall here said by the. Theory at least. In regards to the initial question of the ice taking the position. Children are taken away from them. And you can imagine the. Children. Going. To really any. Real feeling. Versus the. Cries. All night long the. Very dramatic. Scene is. Don't. Tell you what. Is hitting and a lot of. Music doing. Television. People who are seeking a way out here. You know. He's a year people he can give you and I want to call he like you know Oh thank you part of the corporation give the country. Ok I want to thank you for joining us Al and for those who are listening they need support obviously to continue their protest at the Ice Center in San Francisco where they are protesting the action of separating families children from their families now we're going to go to some audio of a rally was held at the San Francisco Medical Examiner's Office against racist attacks on workers and actually physical assault on the shops will go to that audio now. It's. Over what. Do you think that we were telling. Us Pandora's Box leading the fight that he's right. That you undermine us more than we ever will. Just get I wasn't. Right if I was but. I have. 6 no feet My name is David Camm I'm the director for so you 10 to one we have a protest today 2 major incidents that we have a problem with one was a physical assault of one of our members by a coworker and management clearly condones that assault did nothing about it. And in fact just trivialize it as we are not a we have any taken to deal with that but. The hostility that's been created by management in the department have an incident where we have a young African-American member. Micromanage to the point of being harassed every 2 I was checking they had to check in with that and ask her what she was doing and why she hadn't done something fast enough and what they are spending more time just micromanaging rather than doing their own jobs to the point with it's clear that they want to probably quit so we had to port her into friend she's also been subjected to the most outrageous background information when they hired to an example they literally went to her house into a neighborhood with a blown up picture of a rescue maybe think about what the what they knew about it before I even became a city employee. I suffer through discrimination disparate treatment even in the howling process of being forced to provide 12 references. To be forced to urinate in front of someone who's going to be my. Mood. And at every level since I've been here having my intelligence question having my humanity challenge. Forced to work and in your dignities no one should ask that. They have Francisco yes. They view her nurse point. Difference in my community. I don't come here and just represent the city and county I represent every African-American every black person in this community that's my neighbor who just wants a fair shot at the American dream. All I want to do all I ever wanted. Was my community with dignity. And to have my dignity stripped away in pieces every single day. By people in. That was a shift of power. It's not fair it's not right and it will not be tolerated that's why it's very important for unions like the I you know local 1021. Of our local 21. Members here. Just stay and when you see injustice yet you wear a stand Yes Yeah all them out a man tell them this will not be tolerated Yes we are all human beings we didn't have the right and humane treatment we are to have this issue of being attacked on every level Ok under attack by. The government we're being attacked by multiple different border where these attacks 30.0 in a city or county affair. You think is going to get the message here today and I hope so and I hope change positive change comes from some likely a city employees we are the life's blood of this city without us without the rank and file and nothing. Because management is not going to take over and do the work that we're doing but they do reap the benefit of it because the city roots the benefit of our hard work and the least they can do is treat us with humanity and respect and the dignity that we desire in the work that we do especially here at the office of the chief medical examiner there were because of the very intimately with the community we're dealing with people who have lost loved ones in a city and in the surrounding area and we have so much dedication and passion for what we do regardless of any title we are public servants and are a part of our duty is to have care for the community that we're serving and the fact that the harassment. The nation union bashing has taken precedence over our duty to the community it's a shame and it's a disgrace to everyone in San Francisco has been asking for records of systemic discrimination towards the City Alabama citizens are so far they've been refusing to give it to us we've asked for it over and over and over again over the last 2 years even asking for the Back to give it to us I think. They're saying they don't collect that data and we don't believe it because I've seen it one time about 4 years ago as a part of the I went to the black American House initiative in public so I seen it broken down like last occasion so it's really disingenuous for the city to say they don't have it is original think they will say that I think because the numbers are going to look so bad and they don't want to be embarrassed because we know from being out and no work in the world if they employ people in the public just walk into any public office and you look around and see what you see in this area for. Medical examiner apparently here is as a t.v. Star as well. As a t.v. Show that he does as well yes I think he may be nice to get one occupation and you know I believe in a supervisor to somebody else he's an appointee he's an appointee of the mayor of the previous mayor Yes so is my whole you know Glenn a breed out she's watching this and gets rid of this guy because he's a he's a nuisance and he's going to cost about 2 and a hearing and hopefully pass legislation that compels them to actually track how people are being disciplined who's being disciplined who's been promoted was not being promoted was being somebody from probation you know who's been hired to 7 just Asians we want to kill you see what's happening in a lot of these departments and they seem reluctant to work with us but you Callaghan issues a report every 5 years but the reports are so generic that you never get to see what's really happening in terms of high. And it doesn't include the disciplines and was separated in mistreated we want to know that to those reports and there's also an issue of this workplace bullying leading to git people going on a workers' comp disability costing the city a lot of money there have been millions of dollars spent on people illegally fired because of bullying I mean is this do you think it's costing the people sounds a lot of money the treatment of the workers I think it's in everybody's interests to make sure that if if manages if people in the departments know that somebody people are looking at supports to probably be reluctant to mistreat people so that's I'll go to limit it's not going to go away but at least we will just look at trends and look at where the problems off now Nikki Callahan is ahead of the Department of Human Resources they head of the Civil Service Commission Jennifer Johnston is married to the Sean Ellsberg who's just been appointed as a chief of staff of London Bridge you think you're going to get a fair hearing and. Apparently knows about it they're responsible for oversight of what's happening with the civil I think you should ask the mayor that. I mean they really have been had problems with that body in terms of failure to do catering problems. So you might want to ask if she's aware of that and what she thinks about them lastly on Janice This is Janice decision basically outlaws agency shop and they want to eliminate really union membership that's the end game what effect do you think that will have in San Francisco with their working people here the public workers I will not speak for everybody but for our local we've spent for the last 3 years now we've been making preparations for that you know signing people up and reminding people why the union that is what the union to France is and what we've gained over the decades since we've been unionized so the judge will look is get this is an attack on working families they get that this is an attack you know this is not just workers but everyone just comes on the heels of the decision about. Holding the Muslim band you know who's now. It's probably going to come off to banning abortions I mean it's just a nonstop continuous attack what do you think the response of the unions nationally is going to be to this because the public workers are the largest percentage of organize workers in the United States and obviously weakening public workers would would weaken the entire labor movement. Isn't more outrage. From the public from. The country but I think that's coming we're not going to take this lightly it's going to make us more militant it's going to make us more. Proactive eyes more proactive Yes I think it's going to change how we operate is going to change it has to right because we have to operate now outside of the normal tried and tested. Saturdays that we've utilized has more than 700000 members in California the largest union in California are there any plans for any united action by all the members of California we're talking some Osisko of possibly organizing a an event a protest at what involves unionized workers and invite allies and other organizations to participate most likely sometime in July maybe Labor Day will be the day we're not sure yet. Talks about that so it's coming. At me. Oh. Yeah me and you are listening to an interview protest at the San Francisco Medical Examiner's Office against racism and union busting that was held last week the largest percentage of unionized workers in the United States are public workers 35 percent of public workers belong to unions while the 6.7 percent in the private work force the 7200000 public workers and unions have been a target for decades by big business in the corporate media who are seeking to privatized an outsourced public jobs one of the attack in unions in the public sector unions to address their union dues and if membership while having the union. Continue responsibility of representing all the workers and then really after the Supreme Court decision supporting the Janice. Suit right wing front group sent letters to all union members to withdraw from unions and even made home visits and Wisconsin after the Scott Walker passed state legislation to make it difficult to represent members the membership of ast me drop by 70 percent teachers have also been under attack not only by blaming teachers for the economic crisis and the problems in education but also been weakening unions by privatisation through charters and vouchers Jonah's today on workweek radio is Barbara Mandrell mental who is the president of the Massachusetts Teachers Association her union has played an important role in putting a cap on charters and educating teachers about this threat welcome to Work Week Radio Barbara. So you are I understand attending the education National Education Association Convention in Minnesota and obviously there must be some discussion there and debate about what the n.e.a. And other unions in this country are going to do to defend the ongoing assault on teachers and public workers. Yeah there certainly is lots of discussion here about that and I know in Massachusetts we've been I just heard the speaker right before you talking about preparation. You know we've been thinking about how to strengthen our union her for years that I've been president. Really thinking about that in terms of what does it mean to the collective power and to give workers an opportunity all the time to experience their collective power and for me and for us a m.t.a. That's the answer is that we need to create I was listening to the you know the workers yelling in the background and mobilizing around that. Our unions have to go back to basics. Because unions that are were are deeply democratic where workers are engaged at their work site in creating the environment that they need workplace dignity and respect for educators for the students for what our students need and then joining coalition to fight for broader community issues that's what we've been working on and that's the thing that I really makes me so much as I get anxious about the genesis ocean and the power of the millionaires and billionaires who are coming after us I also have a real. Power of the collective and the work that we can do when we join together well one of the things that your union and other education units have been confronting is growing. Growth of charters funded by billionaires and in California teachers are faced with charters that now are in the majority potentially in Oakland and also in Los Angeles how do you see confronting the fact that education is being privatized and there's a lack of education in communities around the country about the dangers of charters and privatization. Yeah you know we were able to beat back in Massachusetts an attempt. By the Walton family and coax and others to increase the number of charter schools in Massachusetts they put a question on the ballot and they thought that they could intimidate us but the ballot question and we were able to organize. In March of 2016 we were going to poll and said we're going to lose 562345 November of 2016 we won 62 to 38 across the state and we did that by going out and talking to people about the value how they experience public education what they valued about public education and explaining to them that charter schools were the reason that they didn't have art programs anymore that their class sizes were large that libraries were being closed and the voters got that I mean they got it immediately and so what we learned from our experience and what I would really recommend bringing out is that like I think we get intimidated by the narrative being offered by the wealthy who are looking to undermine us and we don't have enough faith in the people that they actually value the same things we value and so what our members discovered when they knocked on doors and they made phone calls and they talk to people in the grocery line which is a that people really value the places of educators taking investors coming after teachers don't know what they are coming and let's say paying attention West Virginia and Oklahoma and Arizona and Kentucky North Carolina Colorado because people value what we have to say and they want to hear we have to say and they value public education and fact you know in the last 40 years especially the narrative we've been given is. That we don't value the public good and that we're all independent actors in competition with each other but in fact when you go out and talk to people and invite them to imagine a life that they want and say the things that they care about they care about the common good they care about each other and that's a ripple to do in Massachusetts and that's something that I think is really important that other states pick up and push back and you know the I think it's amazing about that is headed that charter flight that we won in 2016 there was they spent almost $30000000.00. To defeat us we spent half that about 85 percent of their money was tarp money. You couldn't even find out who the people were when we did find out our office of campaign and political financing fine get the biggest fine ever given that given our families for actual schools it's the same people who are trying to privatized public education to charter schools who are trying to bust our unions to cases like Janice. To the degree that we can show people that it's the same people then we expose them for the frauds and greedy greed people that they are and I think we actually get more powerful now one of get it people get it you know one of the issues that has taken place and California is that the c.t.a. In the n.e.a. Nationally and the f.t. For that matter has said that they want more transparency but they don't reject the idea of privately funded charter schools if they're nonprofits What's your view on that issue if you think that the union should be supporting charter schools as long as they're more transparent if they call themselves nonprofit. And Massachusetts and here we absolutely reject charter schools we don't understand why we would need anything except fully funded public education and we think it is incredibly dangerous to let there be any cracks in that and that's why you know when the ballot question came out as we refused to compromise we said we just want to shut this down. The conversation needs to not be about whether or not we should have charters and what and how we can hold them more accountable a conversation needs to be how come we don't have fully funded high quality public education for every single child in this country and if we really cared about our children that would be what we were talking about and that's when you talk to voters about that that's what they want and the issue of these raids. Immigrants I mean many children now immigrant children my grandchildren are afraid that their parents are going to be arrested how is that affected. Immigrant kids migrant kids in Massachusetts and what is the union and other unions doing to defend these children in the schools. It's such an incredibly important question. Because it it it just speaks to how you know that the issues that have issues isn't signing up for the Outrages of our country. Are like central to everybody's fight and our educators see that you know pre-K. Through higher ed they are experiencing that every day with the young people who are in their classrooms who come to school afraid and uncertain show we have been working more and in our local communities to build the relationships with the immigrant communities so that they see that school as a place of trust with. Mobilizing members especially in those communities to come out and show the parents that they support and the students that they support them we were here in Minnesota. When the marching on Saturday I think we need to do more . And I think we need to do more not just as educators and Unionists but I think we have to figure out how we're going to Moore's a country because. The mobilizations. Don't seem to be stopping anything and. We have to figure out how we're going to. The levels of. Direct action that we're willing to take in order to stop these outrageous and one of my goals I'm going to be leaving the presidency and turning out but I have 2 great successors coming in as president and vice president and our goal is to really build the the strength think capacity at the local level. For our members and then extend that to the community so that we can really be linking arms to push back but we have more work to do about that and the issue of education of working people their history labor history it seems that there's a vacuum where you have a corporate media but the unions a f.t. The n.e.a. The f.s.a. Don't have a labor challenge they don't really are able to communicate the struggles that are going on you see any possibility of the labor movement really developing its own labor media to get the stories out so people understand what's happening on a national international level. The interesting question I think it's a great idea I don't I don't know where it's going to happen or what is going to happen but as I as a union leader. I I sometimes push back I often push back and hard to say this to a media person but. Who's doing good work and asking questions like I think that the way that we. That people join Union values the who work within the union. And whether that's the union members themselves or the coalition partners we have is by doing the work together like that what changes are the narrative and I think the truth is that's the narrative that people are living every time all the time people live a very powerful narrative that's about the common good and our job is to get them to trust that narrative inside themselves and stop having it be private and bring it out into the public Ok what I want to thank you very much for joining us on work week radio we've been talking with Barbara Magill Loney and she is the president of the messages Teachers Association thanks for joining us on work week Radio Mark thank you very much take care. Now next we'll go to the workweek counter labor fest continues this week with films and walks on Saturday July 7th a 10 am there will be a w.p.a. Buster with a story of great Breckon and Harvey Smith for more information or reservations call 415-642-8066 extension 1 Saturday July 7th at 7 pm there will be a screening of young Karl Marx at 518 Valencia on Sunday July 8th at 10 am there will be an education conference in San Jose on workers rights workers lives and organizing in Silicon Valley will be held in Suu United Service Workers West at $1010.00 rough street drive in San Jose for more information call 400-873-7231 extension 31 Sunday July 8th 7 pm there will be a panel on workplace racism hanging nooses and the fight back at 518 Valencia Street in San Francisco also on Sunday at 6 pm there will be a labor fest writers anthology by working class writers the event takes place at the green arcade bookstore at $1680.00 Market Street in San Francisco for more information go to info at labor fest writers dot org for the complete count of the dance go to. 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