Rest their due process concerns the power to impeach is given to Congress by the Constitution and top Democrats say they are carrying out their duty to investigate potential misconduct by President Trump Ice or Roscoe in p.r. News the White House President Trump says the u.s. And China are working toward phase one of a trade agreement and says the location of an expected meeting and document signing will be announced soon ministration had been preparing to hold the event at the Asia Pacific cooperation cooperation summit next month in Chile that a month as event has been cancelled due to problems there on Wall Street the Dow was down $140.00 points this is n.p.r. And this is 89.3 News I'm Julie Slater in for Heidi Lin heard a fast moving fire and San Bernardino prompted mandatory evacuations in the northern Prout part of the county the hillside fire broke out early this morning and has burned 200 acres authorities do say that highway 18 will reopen in both directions between 40th Street and Old Waterman Canyon San Bernardino National Forest Deputy Chief Scott House says weather conditions in the area have been conducive to fire activity this is a 2nd far we found in this area both fires have exhibited extreme rates of spread long range body. And will continue to see that with the predicted weather the weather is going to be a challenge to us today an extreme red flag warning is in effect for much of l.a. County until 6 today most California gig company drivers would not be eligible for the health care benefits promised by a potential November 2020 ballot measure submitted this week Capital Public Radio's Ben Adler says the measure would only require the companies to give the subsidies to drivers who work at least 15 hours a week in the campaign itself acknowledges the vast majority of its drivers don't that's the good company's argument for not offering more comprehensive benefits such as Social Security they insist their drivers are not in fact employees left insta card and other companies back the voter. It would offer driver several new benefits but keeps them classified as independent contractors the initiative is in response to last year's California Supreme Court ruling and a law signed last month that requires the gate companies to treat their drivers as employees I'm Julie's letter it's 206 support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include a neon with parasite a dark comedy thriller about 2 very different families whose fates cross in a tale of class greed and deception now playing in select cities parasite dash movie for more theater and photo. From it him point 3 k.p.c. See this is take 2 I mean Martinez Happy Hollow everyone that's right what about 8 hours from now from Candy coma time yeah now throughout the show we're going to bring you some ghost stories straight from our l.a. Listeners but 1st a check in on the news now most evacuations have been lifted for areas affected by the Getty fire near the 405 and the easy fire in Simi Valley only one mandatory evacuation order is still in place there west of Madeira road north of Olson Road east of the heart of Highway $23.00 and south of the way teen but this morning additional fires started out east the hillside fire in San Bernardino is one it has so far burned about $200.00 acres including 6 homes that were damaged or destroyed it is now 50 percent contained now I know it's been a lot this week with the fires but as overwhelming an awful as all of this has been there is a silver lining could've been worse firefighters gain control of these blazes fairly quickly and part of that has to do with Yeah well little bit of luck but also there been major improvements in how agencies are able to detect and attack the fires k.p.c. Infrastructure correspondent sure McNairy is here to explain why there are so the biggest thing fire agencies have going for him is the economy has improved so tell us about that yeah believe it or not during the recession which started around 20072008 lot of cities and government could not replace people who are retiring and leaving and so they found themselves with fewer and fewer staffers with less and less experience because the most experienced people would retire and in you know it's been 10 years since the recession and finally a lot of agencies are back to full staffing Mehrgarh are city at the Getty fire earlier this week said that when he took office there had not been a graduating class from a fire academy in 5 years. Wow And now he's been in office what 6 or 7 years there at like last 18 so that's a big difference not just the people and a bit also with the money they've been able to buy new equipment a couple fire engines on the kind of trucks that can drive in brush without setting it on fire amazingly you'd want and also 2 new helicopters so that's a big help so people and equipment you can buy more out of it when the economy is good people power helps get obsolete does our as well says approve when it comes to firefighting Well the other part is the technology and that is substantially improved so they've got this thing called y. Fire and it's like. A super computer that crunches a lot of data they've always kind of had like weather burn patterns in topographical maps and information from weather stations and how much education is there in the last time it burned so what they've done is they throw all of that into this a computer called y. Fire and they use it to spit out a projection fairly quickly as to where the hot spots are and where the fire might spread next and then they combine that with overflights so they'll fly an airplane over a brushfire fairly soon after it starts with an Mike 30 minutes and it will combine that infrared imaging from the airplane with all of this historic and physical data and that puts out a projection of like where should we put the firefighters where should we drop the water where should we evacuate people amazing I mean it's something serious it's fires but the technology and the way viz things are used is absolutely amazing I mean are they literally almost cutting down a fire say from 2 from 2 days of to a few hours maybe is very much so I'm used to be they'd have to like do this whole brain grinding feeling of figuring it out and now they say they can get these maps within like you know 30 minutes thank you yesterday or was it the day before I've been out of fires and your excuse. We were at the Getty fire and they put up a map of the heat image from the Simi Valley fire that only started like 2 hours earlier Now we've talked a lot about mutual aid but to our neighboring counties in California also communicating and collaborating better Yeah that's the other piece of the tac is it's a system called Fire it's all these things have like their names and this is a system that takes this technology and connects it with l.a. Orange County Riverside County Ventura San Diego l.a. City fire in a collaboration so they can all kind of help each other and send their equipment to different places now the battle continues even after firefighters gain control of the flames what's going on in that next stage Well the they like to save the motors on their helicopters so they've actually got drones that they'll put up and the drones will do infrared mapping looking for hot spots because a lot of the fires can be like secondary fires that are something smoldering and then it catches on fire and suddenly you're you're back fighting a fire again so that's a big help the drones despite these successes though we probably shouldn't rest thinking that firefighters the have it all under control now there's a certain amount of luck involved in some of these fires this week what about some of that luck Yeah a lot of the firefighters I talked to especially in the Getty fire area in Los Angeles that he wasn't battered as much by these suppose you know 50 mile an hour winds that were landing in Simi Valley and so what they're telling me is that well it could have been really bad it could have been so much worse because they did not get the really huge winds and things aren't quite as dried out as they might be say later in November December when we've had historically really terrible fires and when it comes to luck I mean Branch Rickey was the general manager of the Dodgers in the forty's the Brooklyn Dodgers his famous. It was luck is the residue of design if you design things well you get those good pieces the lucky and I guess that applies here yeah that's definitely what they're working to art and infrastructure correspondent thanks a lot event. All right moving on now to Washington d.c. The resolution is adopt it without objection the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. A divided House voted to back the impeachment probe into President Trump Nancy Pelosi who you just heard there described the process as solemn president called it the greatest witch hunt in history the president has been accused of pressuring his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate political rivals in the House committees are expected to continue to subpoena documents and schedule hearings about that phone call k.p.c. We'll keep you posted on the investigation but right now we want to turn an eye to something that happened shortly after the House vote this is the last speech that I will give from this floor as a member of Congress that's Congresswoman Katie Hill of Northern l.a. County she bid farewell to colleagues today will announce on Sunday that she'll leave the house after a conservative blogger released intimate photos texts and allegations that she had an inappropriate relationship with a staffer that alleged relationship became subject of investigation by the House Ethics Committee bill was elected as part of a blue wave during the November midterm that flipped the house now tomorrow is her last day and because of that we're going to play a portion of Hill's last speech the full version can be found on our website at Take 2 dot org Today is the 1st time I've left my apartment since the photos taken without my consent were released and I'm scared. I'm leaving because for the sake of my community my staff my family and myself I can't allow this to continue because I have been told that people were angry when I stood strong after the 1st article was posted and that they had hundreds more photos and text messages that they would release bit by bit until they broke me down to nothing while they use my faults and my past to distract from the things that matter most I am leaving because there is only one investigation that deserves the attention of this country and that's the one that we voted on today. Today I ask you all to stand with me and commit to creating a future where this no longer happens to women and girls Yes I'm stepping down but I refuse to let this experience scare off other women who dare to take risks who dare to step into this light who dare to be powerful it might feel like they won in the short term but they can't in the long term we cannot let them the way to overcome this setback is for women to keep showing up to keep running for office to keep stepping up as leaders because the more we show up the less power they have I'm leaving but we have men who have been incredibly accused of intentional acts of sexual violence and remain in boardrooms on the Supreme Court in this very body and worst of all in the Oval Office. So the fight goes on to create the change that every woman and girl in this country deserves. Here in the halls of Congress the fight will go on without me and I trust so many of my colleagues to be strong on this front while I move on to one of the many other battlefields because we have an entire culture that has to change and we see and start clarity today the forces of revenge by a bitter jealous man cyber exploitation and sexual shaming that target our gender and a large segment of society that fears and hates powerful women have combined to push a young woman out of power and say that she doesn't belong here yet a man who brags about his sexual predation who has had dozens of women come forward to accuse him of sexual assault who pushes policies that are uniquely harmful to women and he was filled the courts with judges who proudly rule to deprive women of the most fundamental right to control their own bodies sits in the highest office of the land and so today as my last vote I voted on impeachment proceedings not just because of corruption obstruction of justice or gross misconduct but because of the deepest abuse of power including the abuse of power over women today as my final Act I voted to move forward with the impeachment of Donald Trump on behalf of the women of the United States of America. We will not stand down we will not be broken we will not be silenced we will rise and we will make tomorrow better than today thank you and I yield the balance of my time for now but not forever. Those congresswoman Keady Hill who represents District 25 in northern l.a. County saying about a Congress Hill's last day is tomorrow and if you'd like to hear more of her speech you can find it at take to dot org. All right it is hollow Wayne and for the past 2 weeks we've been asking you to submit your scariest tales our 1st spooky story comes to us from Huntington Park resident Frank I Jala about 20 years ago he used to work as a truck driver hauling trailers at a building that had the address get this 666 Union Avenue. By starting time with at midnight the line for I would pick up my truck and crater my route were nonexistent. I was at the west end of the dock and starting at midnight when it was cloudy it was dark I had a hand lit up fairly good and went to my tractor. And. It was my daughter who would call me once or twice a week about midnight as she was getting home from work herself. I put the phone upside down in my shirt pocket with a speakerphone so we could hear each other. I heard something behind as I was disconnecting the lines. If someone there with you I said I will call you back. What I heard was a hellish Carol as a person was about a foot behind I turned around and my the light from the headland shy but. I turned around to get the lines off the traitor and once again I heard. Only a bit louder I had enough of this crap I told myself and I walk to the front of the tractor in a loud voice I stated I come here to do a job I don't bother anyone like I don't want to be bothered now let me do my job I heard a small laugh behind me. And I went back to disconnecting the tree. I started my tractor and went to the side of the dock. I never heard. About you I woulda stopped working and gone home that was Frank Jala recounting his eerie workplace story from 2 decades ago old Bourse movie stories coming. Out everyone has certain things that frighten them I'm terrified of butterflies long story the true now I know that about myself as I'm sure you know what terrifies you but there are a lots of things that you do not know that you're afraid of coming up studying the science of hidden fear that's next winter to continues. Eyes nichrome and wildfires We'll have updates as we close out another red flag day was a full report on the former House vote to launch the impeachment inquiry all things considered we 3 afternoons a 4th a maybe 9.3 people c c. K d c c supporters including l.a. 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Martinez Throughout today's show we've been listening to scary stories submitted by listeners to our next tale of terror comes from David Tobin Tobin was the manager of the Roxy in West Hollywood from 2000 to 2006 and her story starts in the after hours of the night club one fateful night. I was at the club on a Sunday night with one of my waitstaff and we were going over some plans for a new promotion. We were the only ones in the building and when I got home the bank was done we were upstairs and all the sudden we heard a sound and it came like from inside the club. Kind of brushed it off and then all the sudden we heard a door shut inside the club and it got our attention then we heard a nother door that is this kind of swinging door between the Roxy lobby and the stairs on the rocks and you heard that move. At that point we got freaked out because there was no one in the building there had been for hours and we were the only ones that had access to the doors so we started to freak out we could move here in the corner booth and all the sudden we heard feet banging on the steps 123456 and halfway up the stairs and stopped at that point we grabbed our stuff and ran out the back door freaked out of our mind. The rock has been known to be the home to so many legends that have come through there up stairs and down the stage so it made sense that there was someone there I just didn't stay around to find out who it was. Those David Tobin former manager of the Roxy retelling a supernatural tale of the haunted halls of the world famous nightclub and more of those stories so stay with us. Now for a true fright the most hardcore of hollowing fans had the haunted houses but what makes for a good scare and what makes us truly afraid Anyways now those are the questions that researchers right here are trying to answer a team led by Professor Collin camera from Cal Tech went to a haunted house to try and study the science of fear and he's in our spooky studio right now how welcome them on pleasure to be here right so why research this in the 1st place what kind of things are you hoping to discover the main thing is so subjective reports about fear and then actual body sensations in a sort of artificial but very extreme fear situation which is is really done because usually you know in laboratory experiments we can't create that much fear the 2nd thing is we're interested in a fear a sense of safety in numbers which is called Fear diffusion or social buffering which basically means if you're in a large group of people or a small group you feel different amounts of fear. And in the hothouse people go through different sized groups so we have a chance to see if you're with 87 other people there's 8 of you do you feel less fear because there's a feeling of safety in numbers now you've yet to a crunch the data and come to a conclusion but to get information you went to a haunted house in Fullerton called the 17th door why that one well we wrote to several own a house and they were the most enthusiastic to be honest and the 2nd is they really have almost a dream set up for scientists because everyone goes through 17 rooms and at a pretty regimented time to pace like in a hospital we have a from the sensors we have a time series of heart rate you know boom boom boom boom boom boom and then little time stamps but we also know from the from the 72 hour folks who are very helpful we have a script of what exactly different things happening including jump scared look stage her nose Yeah exactly so we can have a line up if we crack open the roof and we're looking down and we can kind of see exactly what these rats in a maze are doing and then might end up with what's their body starts saying right so you went to Fullerton 17th door and what did you to collect the data so there are a couple of things One is we asked them before they go in and after how afraid they expect to be and we kind of intercept them and say if you have a minute would you be interested participant a study we're going to travel sensor to your or your wrist similar to a Fitbit but it also Records is called empathic efore so you record a heartbeat skin conductance body temperature there's an accelerometer to see if you can see kind of jump scares were interested for example and whether their self reports about what scared them matches of the body you know maybe that they subjectively say wow that was really scary but the the body reaction is very weak and again we as a scientists we don't entirely trust self reports partly because people don't always know or there may be a kind of macho although that wasn't very scary and the body is telling you oh my gosh this person's heart rate really was pounding We're talking with Collin camera professor of behavioral economics and neuro economics at Cal Tech we're talking about the study of fear all right now let's talk about 2 specific moments inside the house that were very. Trysting 2 your team one involves some insects what happens there that 72 or breeds hundreds of thousands of cockroaches a real cockroach Yes they have a whole cockroach breeding probably showed off when we went there there's a room in which there's a bunch of shelves and there's a small number of cockroaches crawling around the shelves so you can sense the mood and somebody comes along with a box and kind of absorb wrinkles cockroaches on people Ok and I don't have that much of an insect phobia but if you do many many people do you know insects are high up on the list it's pretty creepy because what about the room with electric chairs what happens there there's a room with a series of chairs that have electric shocks kind of water underneath them everybody sits in a chair typically the maximum is 8 will say there's 8 people and you have a little button box with colored numbers that goes one to 8 and every few seconds you have to press a number and it's going to shock somebody else like I press number 5 number 5 will get shocked by me and if I don't think so many I get shocked so the 1st thing is are people willing to accept shocks to protect other people sort of physical all too isn't like taking a bullet for the team and also this goes for 3 rounds so if I shocked number 5 and I'm a 5 knows it was me I'm number one to they shocked me back not traditionally hollowing scary per se but there's a touch on a different kind of cause for fear Yes exactly so the one thing that was beautiful scientifically all of the rooms involved like the cockroaches involved here but also discussed in the electric shocks do involve fear because in fact one of the things we do to people do do all across the world in psychology labs is to administer small shocks which are basically harmless but really people really get afraid much like a needle stick at the doctor you know you're often people are much more afraid of the needles and it's uncomfortable and you know no one likes that yes exactly and so just a little bit of fear and says a patient is a pretty reliable way to get people to be afraid and it doesn't really wear off. And the extra thing is this social aspect of kind of vendetta So if you've shot somebody. And they know it was huge of a shock. Back as a kind of revenge Now Ok Any early conclusions that you can draw because with the crowd more likely maybe to go to a haunted house and imagine there was a fair number of young people who said they weren't scared to show off of the biological data maybe said they were there one thing we have seen which is pretty interesting is there's a phenomena called projection bias which means when you're in a particular mental or physical state it's sometimes hard to imagine not being in that state like in childbirth for example it's very common for women to say I don't want to painkiller during childbirth How is natural childbirth I can stand the pain and have pain comes and still the shot is the epidural and there analogous things for men with pain episodes like if I describe a kidney stone to you you can't really mentally simulate the pain you'd actually have had a kidney stone and so we hypothesize that people would say they're going to be not very scared and then they're much more scared than they actually are because waiting in line is not as scary as having cockroaches thrown on you an electric shocks in there and so far it looks like it's quite mixed like actually just as many people are likely to say it's going to be a 9 out of a 10 and they sat as kind of like a 7 and then I mean when they were around they seem to have a pretty good guess on average of how scary it can actually be now you mention how you went through the haunted house yourself what did you learn about your own fears you know the opposite of projection bias is defensive pessimism So if you really work yourself into a lather about how hard it's going to be it's often not that bad and I think I'm that kind of person that's calling camera professor of behavioral economics and neuro economics at Cal Tech College thanks a lot Oh my pleasure. Ok so hollow Wein is all sorts of fun but we want to take a few seconds for a public service announcement be careful trick or treating the night and watch out for your kids in others children are 4 times 4 times more likely to be struck by a motor vehicle on hollowing compared with any other day of the year now that's according to the u.s. . Centers for Disease Control So here's some safety advice for drivers courtesy of AAA watch carefully for children crossing the street or standing on medians and curbs children may not be paying attention to traffic and might cross mid block or maybe even between parked cars so motorists are really strike your best to scan far ahead in traffic to watch for kids in try to anticipate their actions be also aware that a lot of children will be wearing dark clothing or even masks that may prevent them from seeing cars also please slow down specially in neighborhood areas especially if you're seeing a lot of trick or treaters walking around AAA recommends driving or traveling 5 miles less per hour than the posted speed limit so for everyone who plans on being out tonight please stay safe. By so many fires happening all around us it might be easy to forget that it wasn't long ago that one of the worst fires of all time was raging just north of us a campfire in Paradise California still fresh in the minds of the people who survived it and now a new documentary tells that story of destruction in a chilling way fire in Paradise is next 22 continues. To. 89.3 News I'm Julie Slater in for Heidi Lin hurty yet another wind driven brush fire tore into neighborhoods and forced evacuations this time in San Bernardino the hillside fire broke out early this morning it has burned 200 acres burning 6 homes in the process Susan Mercado lives in the area she told our media partner n.b.c. For her boyfriend's son alerted them to the fire and he just came banging on our door get out get out there's a fire. I or. We took the keys and ourselves my cell phone and that's it we left. Was at the corner of the to way and Mont drive in north of San Bernardino where some of those homes once stood you can hear the fire engines behind me a ton of work still being done on this street poses are still surrounding 2 houses that burned one almost to the studs one completely and salvageable there's just charred walls everywhere the roof has collapsed the fire is 50 percent contained and has burned about $200.00 acres Highway 18 is now reopened but everyone was take Old Waterman Canyon Road your advice to still take the 138 or the 330 to get down the mountain one firefighter one firefighter was treated for smoke inhalation but no other injuries have been of reported evacuation orders have been lifted for those near the 46 fire in her Rupa Valley and for those near the easy fire in Simi Valley it is 235. Attention. Normal programming will be preempted this Halloween night judgment presents. 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Back now with more take 2 on 3 k.p.c. Ceiling or teen as. Last year or wildfire ripped through paradise a small town in northern California killing 85 people and now a new Netflix documentaries chronicling what happened using cell phone footage and resident interviews. Morning at it again due to parenting your emergency plan. Just like a normal fire 1st. Got. Just a matter of 20 minutes what looks like a calm sky is. Our talent is on fire the documentary is called Fire in paradise straight Cooper and Zachary kind of directed the film and they join us now welcome to take 2 Yeah our pleasure happy to be on thank you you guys us started working on this documentary 2 weeks after the Camp Fire started Does that carry let's start with you what was it like going into paradise at this time when I showed up on Thanksgiving Day a couple weeks after the fire what I saw was the largest search and recovery effort in California history so many different agencies on the ground combing through ash and looking for what only could be described as human remains and they were trying to discover just you know who was missing and who wasn't and who had passed away in the fire and so you know I think that thing that really stood out to me was just that photographically was really hard to cover the damage you know the town was completely flattened and that really stood out right from the beginning and you know something even I'm not sure the film is able to do Drew what about you what did you guys even think to begin to start yeah I mean the 1st day I got up there I drove to the former home of my grandparents I 1st went to Paradise I was about 8 years old my grandparents had retired there you know I've got fond memories of the place so on the 1st day you know we got in with our press passes and we're starting to ride along and work with some of the local teams and I went straight to the block where their home was and you know they had since passed away before the fire and the family had sold the home but I went straight to it to see if it was standing and miraculously It was however you know every other. House on that block wasn't now other than the interviews with the residents most of the film is cell phone footage of the plan from the very beginning no wasn't actually I think that's something we discovered as we went along you know one thing that I think people don't totally understand about the fire was just how long civilians were trapped inside of it you know we didn't really speak to anybody that was there for less than 6 hours and so in that time were fires surrounding them but they're stuck in traffic there was a lot of footage that was created you know dashboard cameras and body cams from police and things like this and so once we saw a little bit of it we just kept on looking for more of it and eventually we just found that it was a really intimate insider way to tell the story and bring ironic I mean you guys are filmmakers you're making a movie some of the cameras today actually most of them are so good that they are cinematic in a way aren't they and they can be I mean I think the material we found from people you know it was less about quality and it was just more about the content right it was you know every person we were meeting was like hey let me let me show you you know what I saw right here's a little video clip here's a little photo and I think at 1st you know I was a bit taken aback I kind of you know was sort of thinking in my head wow you know here you are with your family trying to survive and at 1st I kind of question what was going on there and the more we spoke to people the more it became clear that in many ways you know people were using these devices is you know sort of a way to deal with the moment you know and for some people they thought it was their final moments of they thought maybe we would record this and this is something that could live on or in some cases people were just desperately trying to reach family and friends they just had the phone in their hands for those you know 456 hours constantly trying to connect Meanwhile cell towers were being burned down so you know I think it's just interesting you know these devices sort of play such a critical role in our lives not just in the good times but you know in these sort of trying. Times of survival type exactly kind of party and Drake Cooper about their new documentary fire in paradise one of the things that kind of caught me off guard as I was watching it is the footage of actual human remains a man walks up to a car outside of his house and recognizes the burned corpse of his friend Dre was it a difficult decision to include x. I think that's going to catch a lot of people off guard Yeah I mean we've talked about this as a team you know for months now we're making the film and it's interesting question I mean on on one hand yes of course it was a difficult decision yet on the other hand I think instinctually we knew that this clip needed to make it in the film somehow some way and I say that because you know once we're there and we're meeting people firsthand you know people were quick to just share how traumatic this experience was for them right this was the deadliest and most destructive fire in California history and the deadliest fire in this country in over 100 years you know since modern modern day firefighting and I think you know to make a film about the deadliest fire and to not literally see a glimpse of what many of these people saw firsthand I think would be selling it short. You know you're not necessarily building a story the story is is there the story has been told so you're kind of revealing and pulling it back a little bit and just showing people what actually happened yeah I think the idea was to make something much more experience will we wanted to put audiences into the fire itself and like give them a sense of what it felt like and so I think you know that was always the goal once we started to get a real fair understanding of what everybody and I mean everybody that we talked to went through because nobody that was on the rigs that day was able to get out without some form of trauma you know with all the media coverage of the campfire What stories do you guys feel maybe you were able to tell for the 1st time for us it was really about creating the story about that day you know I mean I think when we 1st. Got there it was unclear to us what story we were going to tell right we're going to tell the recovery effort story where we're going to tell the long tale you know rebuilding story and you know every single person we met the 1st thing they said was you know well you know what happened to me let me tell you what happened to me and so it became clear to us that that was the story that needed to be told and I think you know the goal was was essentially to create this you know very visceral you know sort of re retelling this you know recounting of that day so that when viewers watch this you know it's not something that happened over there and I think the idea of the film is to sort of put viewers in that 1st person position so that when you're done watching this film you know absolutely that fire can touch everyone you know watch all the footage of the fire there's definitely fires here in l.a. There's plenty of it to watch on t.v. But to watch it this way in the in the way you guys shot it it was chilling all over again so drill it start with you what do you hope people get out of this well I think 1st and foremost I mean this is a cautionary tale just given the sort of geographical landscape of California and sort of the changing weather patterns you know you'd be hard pressed to find too many places that aren't in potential risk or in the potential path of fire these days you know I mean look at what's happening in Southern California right now right along the along the 4 or 5 freeway with the gay fire you know I mean fire is getting closer and closer to us but I think there's another thing too that I think's really important sort of the toll that this is taking on you know on the 1st responders and firefighters specifically you know I think often we we sort of get lazy right we think oh it's cool when the you know when the fire strikes I'm going to call I'm going to call these guys and they're going to swoop down and they're going to squash the fire you know and I can rely on them and the reality is that we need to rely on ourselves you know we need to rely on every what our neighbors everybody's got to kind of do their part I live in the Oakland Hills You know my wife and I and my 3 year old daughter were you know scooping up all the latest debris from our red. Trees that have just fallen with all these high winds and we're doing our part in cleaning our perimeter and then I look over you know across the street and I'm like damn you know I mean think those guys are here and look at all the brush is just sitting there so you know gives gives me pause right you know at the ground level as well as you know putting pressure on some of our representatives when it comes to you know talking about the elephant in the room with p.j. Nian and climate change what are you hoping people get out of the film I really honestly want to activate people on climate change issues you know there's fires all over California p.g. And e. Is doing rolling blackouts all over California and I'd like to see people react a little bit more strongly to the stuff that's. A coupe or their new documentary called fire in paradise Thanks a lot Our pleasure thanks so much Yeah thank you. It's always felt like l.a. More than most cities seems to be friendly to cults I mean how many millions of come here from somewhere else to reinvent themselves now sometimes when that happens things get too far get a little bit messy coming up take all comers attitude over the years has made it be social hot spot that's next one take 2 continues in 60 seconds a lot of historically black neighborhoods are still dealing with decades of neglect for once used a woman though it's exactly where she wants to be with a more market place weekdays at $3.00 c.c. . If you are one of the listeners who donated to this station during the fall member drive I just want to thank you this is David Greene from n.p.r. And I can tell you your gift makes a huge difference thank you so much. Supporters include Kick-Ass Spittal of u.s. And u.s.c. Norris cancer hospital recipients of u.s. News and World Reports best hospitals honor roll award when comparing health insurance plans for open enrollment individuals can make sure they kept medicine of us is included in their preferred network learn more it kept medicine dot org or call 800 us seek care medicine of us see beyond exceptional medicine. How to support our new. Choices. Right now with take 289.3 k.p.c. C.m.e. Martinez al st jealous is a see a dreamers and doers it attracts all different types of people in groups including cults like the Manson family so on this hollow Wayne We got kind of spooky topic for today's Throwback Thursday. California lamb the moment probably. My mom is becoming my father God wants me right now. To the captains of industry and a 1000000 women and children there are boys. That is the small each. Is. Remembered. As a tourist tourist Kim Cooper is here to break down the history of some of L.A.'s cults for us Kim welcome it's so great to be here and talk about l.a. Weirdoes my favorite people this is a place where you don't have to be like you were back home and so many people come out here and may take them a minute or 2 or they may come to southern California specifically to let that freak flag fly but only if flew here like nowhere else are right so let's start off with one of the older ones the divine order of the royal arms of the great 11 a cave a great 11 or the Blackburn call to when and where where they are out well so they start in the most lovely oddball way imaginable up on old Bunker Hill in one of those lightly rundown mansions that's turned into a boarding house and there's a mother and daughter living there and the daughter whose name is Ruth is very pretty and she needs to earn a living search the taxi dancer down on Main Street men will pay you know die. I'm a dance with her and I believe she was also schizo frantic and while she was walking home one night an angel spoke to her and said Ruth you shouldn't be working in this worldly way you and your mother need to retire to a room and let me give you the lam secret of life and she believed this and she found one of her boyfriends from the taxi dance hall was willing to give her a few bucks and parables and the Angel began to take dating the secrets of life after death and the location of all mineral wealth on earth while. She heard these this angel speak she did on her mother began to hear it too and I do believe they were true believers but they gathered people around them who wanted the angels revelations now what was this cult of many names all about. Well like so many cults Unfortunately it was a cult of personality and mother made Blackburn was she was a controlling lady and she really liked to keep people extremely busy and make them do things that would essentially keep them from questioning what she was up to so this lovely young priestess in the cult named will erode sky probably of an untreated to fake a New Year's Day in 1925 well they couldn't bury her in the ground because they were supposed to be a religious order that was getting to the point where they were going to be able to bring their members back from the dead so they modified her. Did a pretty good job as hardcore Yeah they did a lot of research on the use salts and herbs they put her in a chest and her foster parents kept her underneath their bedroom in a little bungalow in Bennett's came invariably someone gets disenchanted with it is that what happened with this one yeah in this case Clifford dad knew who was the nephew of a very well off oil man in downtown l.a. He had given essentially all of his personal funds to this group hoping that he would receive the knowledge of the location of all mineral wealth on earth and when that didn't happen he ended up suing he sued for fraud and mother May was sent to prison but she appealed and she won her appeal on the grounds that religion is valid and if someone freely chooses to give all of their funds to a religious order and then has 2nd thoughts they haven't been to fraud and they've simply changed their mind and so she was able to maintain this property known as Harmony hamlet up in the sea males and the cult group went on although there were a lot more notorious after all that stuff about the mummified priestess came out in open court All right so 30 years is a long time for a call to be around and that's about as long as his next one was around as well so tell us about w k f l which stood for wisdom knowledge faith and love also known as the fountain of the world I've really liked this group and what I like the most about them is that when France. Is playing to Vic who was the leader Krishna Venta when he died the cult went on because they had really good foundations but I should backtrack a little and talking about how that happened Francis was not a wonderful person I mean he'd been sort of a juvenile delinquent in a criminal in San Francisco and it run out on his 1st wife and it wasn't paying child support and have a gambling problem but he really believed in peace and love in her money and brother ship in service and he was incredibly charismatic and he looked like the biblical classic Jesus Christ that we're used to seeing and maybe 1920 s. Silent film he grew his beard out and he had a long beautiful hair and he went barefoot in your rope and he said that he was going to continue dressing like that and he wanted everyone who joined him to do the same until there was peace on earth and he formed this community in a really lovely Glen up in box canyon also above the Simi Valley area and they lived there in peace and harmony and they made their own food and they cared for their children and they took in the needy and they helped people in the canyon who had you know if there was a fire or someone had a broken down car they were just of service they were good people sounds glorious but again and something always goes awry Well this is the problem when it's a personality cult because for creation of Enda he is the boss he's the big boss and he's really they are you know he travels constantly He's proselytizing raising funds giving lectures and he's doing this because he's incredibly ambitious he thinks that box canyon is nice but the u.s. Government's giving away homestead land in Homer Alaska so he wants to set up another compound he needs a lot of money for that and so while he's on the road there's a couple of members younger married guys who start to feel like why is this man who's never here in charge of me why is he occasionally a little too friendly with my wife taking money that we've contributed going to Las Vegas and blowing it on the roulette tables. So they confronted him they were thrown out and they decided that the best thing they could do was report him to the California Department of Justice and the aftermath of this is that the d.o.j. Sort of implied that there was going to fast a geisha on going and these 2 guys decided well we're going to help we're going to take a tape recorder up there one night and we're going to force him to confess his sentence in the just in case that doesn't work will take some dynamite the sound of the resulting explosion killed 10 people destroyed the dormitory rip people slapped it was international news it was very very sad and upsetting and yet the extraordinary thing is in the aftermath of the loss of their leader and a lot of notoriety coming their way they didn't have the strong foundation and a lot of older women who were living there who really felt like we can keep this going and they did it and the community continued into through the seventy's through the seventies and wondering if there's any connection considering the timeline you just mentioned to maybe the Manson family it's wild the Manson family are just over the ridge. So the Santa Susanna pass if you are in the Santa Santa pass you look this way and there's for the Manson family or hanging out at Spahn Ranch in you look that way and that's where the great 11 reliving up at the Harmony Hamlet and you come around the corner and down the hill and there's w k f l Wow And the Manson family members were quite familiar with the fountain of the world because people over at Spahn Ranch had been going there for the hootenanny is for years had been enjoying the communal meals had been going to religious services so when Charlie Manson and the girls and a couple of male members moved on to spawn ranch they started going over the hill too and it's pretty clear that they actually wanted to live at the fountain of the world and might have even managed to achieve that because there was a period where you were allowed to sort of live there as a temporary tenant soffit would work out you know all these little old ladies were keeping a very close eye on Charlie it was determined that the fact that he made the young women who lived there the teenagers extremely uncomfortable always wanting them to go with him into his black school bus and listening to him play the guitar and the fact that he was giving drugs to the young kids there meant that he personally was banned and had to leave What an interesting little corner of Los Angeles that whole little area it really is and I think that a place like fountain of the world you know maybe things would have gone very very differently for the Manson family if they'd been able to live in that environment they would have needed less but I don't think they could control themselves over is with esoteric tours she was here today talking about the cults of Los Angeles thanks for taking time to much fun. All show long we've been hearing from listeners about their eerie encounters our last one is from president to steal during her time working in a giant warehouse in San Pedro she experienced some under being phenomenon. We had a forklift operator who after operating a forklift he decided. It was time for him to leave. Gets out of his forklift comes running to me with the pale face and tells me I'm not staying here there's the ghost here someone just hit my forklift and no one's here I'm leaving and I tell them will you know what are you talking about and he said there's there's a ghost here they haunt here I'm not staying. A few weeks later there is an accident with a forklift operator and so my Corker had to do an accident report it's customary to take pictures of the rags the forklift and ask any witnesses and so when we took the pictures we had to upload them. And then we noticed his shadow on a picture the color in mind and me of a crazed are like over it like something we are in the House does hut this cape on and it was really airing. What I can tell you about thumping angel and at least working in that warehouse you would always feel some kind of energy and you would feel as if someone was there waiting for you. That was that the sickest the you're sharing her creepy warehouse story if you missed any of the spooky tales we've been playing throughout the show no worries just read them all at L.A.'s dot com And tonight take a break from all the news and maybe some trick or treating and listen to k.p. 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