But look no guts no glory if they don't. Last it was not meant to be here with this afternoon today we decided to lower the interest rates for the 3rd time this year a quarter percentage point cut just like everybody said me had been saying there is some global weakness Powell said trade is still a problem but when economic push comes to shove that year the Federal Reserve said you know who's carrying the load the consumer facing companies that we talked to in our vast network of contacts report you know that consumers are doing well and are focused on on you know the good job market and rising incomes and that's their principal focus so that is the thing that's pushing the economy forward and it doesn't seem to have been affected so far by weakness in the other areas after the announcement we got Megan green at Harvard's Kennedy School at the University of Oregon and Kathy buss Jan 2nd Oxford Economics back on the phone to see what they said I didn't think it was surprising at all. Surprised I think it was mostly in line with my expectations like I said the Fed's not big on surprises should say here number one. But number 2 there is pretty broad consensus that the subtext of the Fed statement and press conference today is that barring some unexpectedly bad data coming in over the transom this was probably it for rate cuts for the year one more meeting the Fed has 2nd week of December mark your calendars we have Wall Street was moderately pleased by today's Fed announcement we'll have the details when we do the numbers. Talk to me for a minute about how you decide what to buy maybe you shop with the environment in mind or you pinch pennies or you just impulse buy or maybe you've decided you just don't. The shop any more than you have to do whatever it is the reality is that what we buy and how we buy it consider something about who we are and what matters to us that's why we're starting a series today it's called how we shop Marketplace's Marial cigar gets is going in a grocery store in upstate New York so we're standing in the aisle with the dish soap and there are dozens of options Palmolive Don Ajax in various sizes and sense like apple blossom and pomegranate and rose water people are pushing past us with their shopping carts and there's a guy stocking shelves blocking half the aisle with a stepladder but Marian Mackerras Fitzpatrick is laser focused she knows exactly what she wants I don't really care about the scent or how kind it's going to be to my hands or even the name brand I want to get the product that's going to get the job done for the least amount of money Marian is 52 and she lives in Peekskill New York about an hour north of Manhattan with her husband Mark and their 3 sons She's a state home mom he works in i.t. And for her shopping is serious business she's got some rules don't go to the grocery store when you're hungry you'll overspend leave the kids and their endless demands at home and always always check the unit price the cost per ounce or pound in New York State it's usually printed on the shelf but she brings the blue plastic calculator with their just in case here this $1.00 the dawn is 3 dollars and 40 cents per pint. The unit cost for a larger size is doubtless much less she's right it's $285.00 a pint and all those pennies add up we walked by a display of end to men's desserts she zeroes in on the donuts and the guava cheese puffs will cost $399.00 but the donuts way a whole as she picks them up I would go with this because there's more product here I think of it in terms of. Mouthfuls on the plate sauce. Since her family is not particularly fond of the way she shops she's had to relinquish ice cream buying duties to her husband because he and the kids like ice cream and she comes home with stuff like store brand vanilla for Marianne this isn't just about saving money she's trying to beat the system or at least not let it beat her as a consumer I think one has to be aware. Marketers want your dollar to go from your pocket into there and they will do anything to get that accomplished she learned that from her parents Nelly and Michael they grew up in Ireland during World War 2 when basics like sugar and flour were rationed so there was a great cognizance of perhaps you know scarcity and the idea that you shouldn't waste money when Marianne was a kid growing up in Yonkers she'd be watching t.v. With her mother and suddenly a teachable moment my mother would tell me you know you see that in the commercial but that's not really what that toy is like and it's true even with like like say Hot Wheels cars you know you see it doing something magnificent in the commercial and then you got home and it's not quite the same frugality has become a way of life for Marianne and it's something she tries to teach to her sons she buys clothes at the Salvation Army gets her haircut at the local beauty school for $11.00 and a 1st sweater rips she's going to fix it. Use it up wear it out make it do or do without Marion is willing to splurge on hollowing she buys the name brand candy bars for trick or treaters Milky Way Twix and she allows herself the occasional indulgence she likes to drink berries and Irish brand of tea even though it costs $0.11 a bag compared to $0.03 for Lipton but for us. If it because you're getting a quality product and you know you start. Your morning off right when you're when you're drinking berries even Marianne can get all dreamy about a brand I guess nobody can please to marketing. For marketplace tell us how you shop for your habits your secret strategies your weaknesses and your must haves marketplace dot org is where you can do that. There is in a lot of cities in this country an affordable housing crisis we talked about a lot on this program and it manifests in all kinds of ways people having ridiculously long commutes to get into town people leaving cities altogether and in Queens New York for immigrants especially living quite literally underground illegal but affordable basement apartments Stewart had one of the bonds on a big photo essay story in The New York Times the other day Welcome to the program thank you for having me. Do me a favor and tell me the story of this gentleman you focus on his name as a motto who sort of he's the protagonist I guess in this piece. I met him on last year when we decided that we were going to do a story about the immigrant experience in New York and we decided to focus on Queens which has a large number of immigrants 800 more than 800 languages are spoken there and so when I met a model he lived in a basement with several other men and then I realized that I was going to focus on basements because Queens was the center of the you know the largest number of complaints of illegal basements in New York City so the pictures in this story are amazing and it's going to be tricky to do a chest is on the radio but describe a model as apartment for me where do you. The word apartment loosely here right yes you should use it loosely it is dark even during the day there is one window from floor to ceiling that's less than 7 feet. In New York City to be a legal basement apartment the ceilings have to be 7th feet 6 inches and obviously missed the mark and so when I met a model the 1st thing he wanted to show me were his photos of his wife and his life in Mexico and so we made a decision that we had to at least follow a model visually to Mexico and then I would report on that from afar I actually happened to be on book. When he went to Mexico perfect timing and in Mexico you found he's considered a wealthy guy right he's got a flat screen t.v. And you know. Yes You know he works in the same restaurant he's worked in for the past 11 years in New York and he saves a lot of money by living in that basement his half of the room is 300 $25.00 so he's able to save his wages and send them back home and give his family the small luxuries that so many of us enjoy which is like a flat screen t.v. . So in his community you know he is considered rich How do you and all the other people in this situation but also those you spoke with how did they find these apartments because the advertising method seemed to me kind of interesting. Yes these apartments are generally not advertised there's a lot of word of mouth and signage you know throughout the neighborhood and no one has any real count of how many exists by the estimates are tens of thousands but if they did not exist the city would have a much more dire affordable housing crisis than it already had. And a bunch of other people of the New York Times with an amazing story which encourage you to check out online just because of the pictures about basement housing this is the only way to call it in Queens New York. Thank you for having me. You have to go through some sadness to get to the happiness one rule for the zombie apocalypse but 1st let's do the numbers. On this. 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Comcast is going to show up in the spring each of them has different shows on offer and while there is yes a war over prices we also seem to be in for a content war of sorts marketplaces to be beneficial or has that one want to really watch Game of Thrones or friends go to h.b.o. Max want the Avengers or Star Wars or anything Pixar try Disney if you like the office and Saturday Night Live try Peacock overwhelmed yet there are a lot of services coming and it will be confusing for consumers Jessica Reif Ehrlich a senior analyst for Media and Entertainment at Bank of America Merrill Lynch all the streaming services are coming at consumers peddling a different bank of shows thousands and thousands of hours of programming but here's the thing about old shows and movies you can binge them and then cancel your subscription you're going to have to add new content pretty aggressively to keep them there Michael Smith is professor of information technology and marketing at Carnegie Mellon But here's the thing about new shows they're not worth much if you can't get people to watch them these companies realize that it's a land grab right now to try to gain market share Ross Benish is an analyst at the market or low prices are one way to lure people in but it's not quite that simple how many of them are operating their streaming services. Are also making deals to look you in so that you don't even feel like you're paying for them join Amazon prime for a fast free shipping get Amazon streaming buy an i Phone get Apple t.v. Plus free for a year used Arisan for your cell phone get Disney plus free for a year this makes it even harder to predict who is going to win the streaming wars but with such a crowd. Field one thing is clear says Michael Smith they're not going to survive so for now you can just sit back and pop some popcorn and watch these guys fight it out in New York I'm simply going to shore for Marketplace. Ok another content story now one that honestly I almost took a pass on for reasons which will quickly become clear I've said before on this program I believe that I don't do scary movies because scary so when one of our producers said hey we want to go talk to the guy who runs the walking dead the zombie apocalypse show now in its 10th season on AMC my 1st thought was Oh and then my 2nd thought was also no but more courageous heads prevailed and pointed out that not only is the show a show The Walking Dead is actually a whole franchise kind of universe actually with video games a spinoff series a movie and yet another spinoff series in the works so we went Scott Gimple is The Walking Dead chief content officer has been for almost 2 years before that he was the main series showrunner for 5 so out we went as I said to Burbank the other day to the walking dead sweet zombie stuff all over the place but in Scott's office proper not so much. Progress really because there's like all kinds of stuff on the walls or well but there's a lot of stuff on the floor behind us yes just move it is out there. When you do this job. It takes a while to move in we've been here 2 years and we were off and running thank you for doing this really do. I I do press but the burst of enthusiasm over this has been unlike any good now I have to confess something never seen the show you know why because it's freakin scary man come on some bs. Yes. But there's certain like a bracing dive into the pool you know you you're going to your 1st zombie it's going to it's going to hurt but then you'll get hooked into the narrative in the characters and it will make all of that so much worse just watch the teaser that's that's that's a minute and a half 2 minutes Ok hit the buzzer check out but I I be surprised if it didn't help you against my better judgment Ok I'll do that and I will report back after after I get all of the I'm I'm look I make no secret about my my free to tennis. I don't I don't want to make this too grand but you're running an empire Yes that's that's what I do here I mean it's a television show and now a franchise that's right that has achieved something else or yes yeah I know that. You're writing on that yes it's a strange it's it's not the title as a kid when you're reading comics and play video games in the going to movies you're like yes and one day chief content officer but there's somebody who has to work. On the narrative throughout all the shows through the movies we're going to do throughout the specials we do and there are brilliant show runners on each program but I work with each of them to create sort of an overall narrative and also even just to keep the shows different from one another so what's your what's your. What's the monster under the bed if I could. I think the biggest thing with this show from a narrative point of view in my job now from from like in that 30000 narrative run of you is we have to take risks week that's serving the audience if you're taking risks if you're not taking risks you're serving yourself you're tending to a career very nicely and you're you're making sure that nobody's going to criticize you over anything at the very reason to have a universe which is a varied slate of stories it's all the same there's no reason to do it Ok but you're messing with a fan base which is devoted interested and which you need to and that you need to follow you across the various stops in the universe yes there's some peril there in risk taking absolutely to truly serve those fans that you're talking about we have to take those risks and we have to push ourselves and put ourselves in today or have danger for them or else we're just we're simply just trying to make. Not be mad at us those moments we've had. Have resulted from the passion that they've had for the show and I think the passion that they have for the show is that they sense the integrity behind it they sense that it's about the story 1st that this isn't like some strategic play to manipulate them into happiness with us but to take them on a huge story that moves them in all sorts of different ways see that's so interesting because I was going to follow up here the question about the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Star Wars with with installment 9 coming out or you know Christmas time whatever it is. It's at Christmas time you know it has actors I have not checked into I have not bought my take. Is going to be a Sunday morning situation is going to be like a little hallowed. Yeah. But but you know you said you don't want the audience to feel manipulated and I'll tell you what I was because while not as big as they were spent as anybody but I enjoy it I have a good time but look man they're just trying to sell me a movie ticket because a lot of this is rehash and repeat same thing with the Marvel sentiment right now all right object if you will. Well I mean it's almost like the tone in which you said that where like in they're just trying to get me to get a movie Taken or they're trying to get me to a movie ticket which is like they they want you know I mean I see what you're saying we want everybody to be excited to show up and we don't want to bum them out perpetually. We don't want to simply just give people exactly what they want just in perpetuity it's there's a weird sort of defending your life heaven sort of situation there where it's like there has to be some loss you know one of the episodes I think about a lot is. Episode 501 this is. It is you know assuming I get there some of the darkest stuff that happened in the show. That highlighted some institutional evil there was just you know people who were broken that said it all results in a beautiful reunion between people who were strangers who never would have even spoken to each other in the world to me that episode 5 all wanted some ways I just want you to start off I was going to say a minute I'll just go straight there just because it's the pilot is one of the most brilliant pilots in history but final one is I didn't write it so I can say that and I was a fan it hurt me but you have to go through some sadness to get to the happiness and I think that's part of what we do and I think in some ways it makes that happiness that much more real. Thanks thank you so. I think I walked out of there having promised them watch the whole pilot by the way not sure how that happened there was a whole lot more of my conversation was God including his foundational horror moment as a kid might do actually now that I think about it thank you to Chitty Bang Bang. All of which you can hear on the corner office podcast and it is obvious stuff is your thing to shot a video of our interview it's on our You Tube channel marketplace a.p.m. Is where we're at there. This final note on the way out today in which Jack Dorsey the c.e.o. Of Twitter is maybe learning some lessons from Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey announced today there is not going to be any more political advertising on Twitter that as Dr Bird and Facebook are spending a whole lot of time getting wrecked over the coals for their policies on political ads Dorsey made the announcement in a tweet storm of course the operative tweet of which read in part. 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C c News I'm Nick Roman with the stories we're covering at 330 the easy fire in Sydney Valley that's a new 11400 acres in the corner where the 1000 freeway and the 23 meet no containment it's now jumped to $23.00 and is threatening the East Side of Moorpark mandatory evacuations now include homes east of Spring Road to the $23.00 between Los Angeles Avenue south to t.r. a Road that includes all the neighborhoods off Miller Parkway couple of 100 homes that are there now earlier today the easy fire burn near the Reagan Presidential Library and near where Lauren Spatz and his wife have lived for 30 years now early this morning a firefighter knocked on their door and told them it was time to get out and Lawrence bad says that's just what they did this to worsen server beds close a very it's not pleasant but. Definitely what you do spout says they wrangled their 3 dogs and 3 cats into carriers and took off for an evacuation center in 1000 Oaks and as for the Reagan Library the flames got close but so far so good Melissa Giller is with the Reagan Presidential Foundation an institute she says the rooms that hold important presidential documents are protected just like the Getty Center above the supposed to pass all have the same fire doors that they get he was talking about if a fire was for some reason to break out within the doors migrates else this fire doors are locked they contain a fire in a small area fire cannot get through those doors and Melissa Giller says they also work with local fire officials to clear away the tall grass that covers the hills around the Reagan Library perimeter you know have a clear that brush and bring in goats to do it something that's done on Bunker Hill in downtown l.a. Laguna Canyon and really any place in Southern California where fire is a risk of a fire news today. The 200 acre Hill fire burning in her up a valley briefly shut down the 60 freeway east of the 15 late this morning no containment there evacuations ordered for homes nearby and there was a 16 acre fire that burned in the hills between Diamond Bar and bray and freeway open that's a 57 for open again after I'd been closed for a little bit crews are now mopping up hot spots 332. If you are one of the listeners who donated to this station during the fall member drive I just want to thank you this is David Greene from n.p.r. And I can tell you your gift makes a huge difference thank you so much. Katie c.c. Supporters include the University of California Irvine and u.c.i. Health working to forge new paths and create greater possibilities together for health and humanity stopping at nothing to give the world a brilliant future you see I slashed brilliant Welcome to the frame John Horne over the next couple of months streaming giants like Netflix are going to have some pretty big competition besides Disney plus perhaps the most formidable newcomer is h.b.o. Max it's the to launch next May And unlike the sparse offerings on failed so far by Apple for its new streaming service h.b.o. Max just announced some very ambitious plans for what it has in store Dan Holloway is executive editor for t.v. At Friday Dan welcome to the frame Thanks good to be here so h.b.o. Max just made a big announcement of catalog content new shows what's the overall takeaway on their ambitions for the new streaming platform and I think overall the takeaway John is that it is big has a lot of content to offer they are projecting more than 50 original series to debut on the service in its 1st year that in addition to a lot of library time and it's a lot of different kinds of library content from Sesame Street so friends. To South Park to the Big Bang theory to every Batman and Superman movie ever made it's a vast library it's a big offering but it also has a high price point for the consumer are these series that will only be available on H.B.O.'s new streaming service might they be available on the paid channel itself what's the overlap and how many of these things are unique to streaming you're touching on a broader point of confusion I think that is out there right now about h.b.o. Max and its relationship to existing h.b.o. Customers 0 in on these original programs they will just be available to watch on h.b.o. Max They will not be available to watch we're told on h.b.o. As linear channel but if you aren't h.b.o. Subscriber you will presumably have access to h.b.o. Max so you will still be able to access the shows just not through h.b.o. On television Yeah but not all h.b.o. Subscribers are like I was until very recently a direct t.v. Subscriber that's where I got h.b.o. Now I've switched over to Charter cable because Directv is part of the Time Warner empire does that mean I would have to pay for this when it launches in May you as a Charter cable subscriber should be fine but h.b.o. Does not have all of its deals done with all of its billions we're not entirely sure which affiliates deals are but there's a lot of question particularly for people who are subscribing to h.b.o. Through other direct to consumer services outside of the cable universe so let's say for instance that use subscribe to h.b.o. Now through Amazon channels which is Amazon's direct to consumer t.v. Channel offering it is unclear whether you will have access to it to h.b.o. Max has to go through and all of their affiliates and distribution partners like Amazon. Like Hulu and every single cable provider they have to go through it amber out those deals with all those affiliates with all those distributors to make sure that you will have access to it they are saying that they are optimistic that those deals will get done I may but being optimistic about it is not the same thing as being dry on those contracts we're talking with Dan Holloway the executive editor for t.v. Ad for Ryan a h.b.o. Max is not going to be cheap it's going to triple the price of Apple's new streaming service what is the play here in terms of how much is going to cost and how much of that money is going to go to paying for all of this new content they're basically married to their 1499 month price tag because that's basically what people pay for h.b.o. So they can go around offering something that includes h.b.o. For less than what consumers are paying through their cable providers it would violate their distribution contracts and that's going to be a high barrier to entry for a lot of consumers especially when you've got Disney plus a similarly large trots and operate entering the market in November at $699.00 per month as far as where that money's going $800.00 he is not expecting this thing to drive revenue for 5 years and they are expecting that by 2025 they'll be turning around a $1000000000.00 per year and that estimate of that much revenue is really based on one projections of adding $16000000.00 subscribers and to revenue that would come from an absolute or to version of this that there are no specific plans for yet and they are saying it will be rolled out in 2021 according to some of the announced plans h.b.o. Mags could be making as many as 50 new shows in a couple of years and that's obviously a lot more than they're making for their cable channel is this a fundamental pivot that suggests maybe that cable and satellite. T.v. Is no longer something that's going to grow and that the future really is in streaming that is basically a forgone conclusion at this point John stanky talked about how he believes we are now at scripted television development across the industry this is not a new idea John Legere at f.x. Who runs that network has been talking about this for years the problem with predictions of peak television is that the amount of television being made continues to increase but he said he believes that we're at the peak right now and that we will start to see the curve upward in terms of number of hours of scripted programming being developed begin to flatten out as the cable universe contracts and I think that if you look at the number of people who are subscribing to the traditional cable bottle it continues to decrease no one is expecting that level off anytime soon no one is expecting that to reverse course any time soon these companies like Disney like Warner for the last 2025 years have been you know driven primarily more much more so than movies or any other form of media by making money in the traditional pay t.v. Ecosystem are now hitting hard for direct to consumer and that's essentially what this represents Dan Holloway is executive editor for t.v. Ad for id for more industry news go to Variety dot com Dan thanks so much for coming on the shaft Thanks John. Coming up next on the frame Harriet Tubman died more than a century ago a new film celebrates the abolitionists life. Hunter by his work with the cranium energy company is part of a long history of the relatives of famous politicians seeking to cash in on connections there's nothing wrong nothing is actually done that's illegal but that's different than doesn't become a scandal it looks bad I'm Ari Shapiro money family and politics on the next All Things Considered from n.p.r. News weekdays at 4 on 89.3. He says he supporters including the cutie I agree most efficiently and expire at the end here for patients who have a. Chance to simply to keep their eyes healthy learn more medication media group called. Keep presenting new seasons of 2 original series so-called connected a weekly news documentary series and last l.a. Which explores these hidden past Tuesdays starting at 8 pm on k.c. Welcome back to the frame John Horn if you're wondering why it took until 2019 for a movie to be made about the life of Harriet Tubman Well so are we the abolitionist and suffer just escapes slavery repeatedly traveled back to rescue dozens of other enslaved people through the underground railroad and became the 1st woman to lead an armed assault during the Civil War top men may not yet be on the $20.00 bill but she is the focus of the new film area the movie is directed and co-written by Casey lemons and stars British actress Cynthia. Much of the shooting took place in Virginia during a particularly cold autumn which reveal says helped get her into character it was sort of imperative for me to try and do you as much as I possibly could as authentically as I could do it so I still. Up today out of any extra warming things whilst I was doing the activities because I didn't want to. I don't want to feel comfortable really I like the uncomfortable c. Of the of the book that I was doing because I felt like it made me I guess it gave me the space to be more connected to her connected to well what she may have gone through so that the reaction was genuine and it felt real Cynthia talks about removing the artifice between she and Harriet which I love that particular phrase I think that she wanted to be extremely connected at the time of course I'm very worried about my act area and you know I need her you know I'm very protective and you know I'm out in a boat in the water you know for shivering and I've got a coat on you know and and she's in the water with no wetsuit on so yeah it was uncomfortable so what does that mean for you Casey if you're actor is trying to remove the artifice of playing a character what does that mean in terms of how you're telling the story because you are making a movie it's a narrative film how do you remind yourself about the essential truth that you're trying to get out with all the artifice that essentially surrounds any movie like this I think that there were times when it was very meditative and we were all extremely in the moment and it felt incredibly real and honestly incredibly graced . And then but as a filmmaker yeah year you know you know the crews back there you know I mean the artifice is what we live in and the reality is what we create and so I'm very conscious of both you know I'm very conscious of both but I need to believe that I need to believe what I'm seeing and that's what Cynthia brought to me you know as I was able to believe the performance all the time Casey when you were talking with your colleague screenwriter Greg Allen Howard about the story that you want to tell what did you focus in on what were the things that were essential to the movie you wanted to make and one of the things that you had to cast aside because you don't have the time or space to address them well Greg had written his script a long time before I came on so you inherited heads I inherited his script which was very like groundbreaking and way ahead of its time in terms of kind of presenting Harriet Tubman as this kind of action heroine you know I'm sad wanted to stay true to that but at the time that Gregory wrote the script I don't know how important it was for it to be the real Heriot Tubman story what I mean by that it was it was an adventure story a wonderful heart pounding adventure story where the heroine happened to be Harriet Tubman but I felt that it needed to be Harriet Tubman you know what I mean the details of who she was the details of her family for instance were kind of you know he had made up a lot of stuff about her background her family and what had happened to them and especially once I did the research I realized that the story of her real family the story of her real background and some of the actual historical facts were more interesting and I really wanted to bring that texture in that reality to her story and to to really present this community of enslaved African-Americans and on and just all the nuances of the times we're talking with. K.c. Lament the writer director of Harriet and Cynthia Reeve who plays Harriet Tubman in the film I want to play a clip from the movie this is a scene where Harry yet who's played by Sam The is talking with William still who is played by Leslie autumn Jr rescuing slaves requires skill and careful planning. It requires reading Harry can you read this high or Mac. Can you read it all clad tension on China head God's voice more clearly you know what would happen if you got caught they would torture you until you pointed them right to this office you got lucky Harry. And there's nothing more you can do don't you tell me what I can do. I'm a Disfarmer all God was watching to my feet was mauled run and bleed and calm and nearly drowned nothing for days and days when I made it. So you tell me what I can't do that could be a woman in 2019 and obviously Harriet Tubman is an African American slave but this is as contemporary as any movie can be we really didn't want to look at it in his style Gigli we wanted it to feel very present and very contemporary like you like you had lunch with her you know like you knew her you know got to really access her Yeah I think it was the most important thing at a phony was really about trying to to bring her to life you know bringing us to human being the woman to to screen so that we could chat in or in a real sense I think that people don't know that she had emotions and she had feelings and she could get angry and she could you know be joyous and all of those things that are present and the hope broken all of those things that we as humans experience and so I I wanted to be as fully emotionally available as a possibly could so that those feelings of real we we feel them I felt. The idea that sometimes you can't do something and I know I can do something I know like I know I can do it so I don't need you telling me that I can't and you know it just felt like one of the most it was that was definitely a scene I was looking forward to because it felt like it was so connected to the real world where I was in my in my time which is kind of cool Not every actor gets to co-write his or her ballot or theme song but Cynthia you wrote a song called today I'm Dr Joshua k. On ball here I want to play a little bit from it. With must taste. This. Way don't show. You. Like that. I like that in just a 2nd language so I I use it a lot to communicate to tell stories and I write may music so it means I can I get to speak the things I probably couldn't speak out loud through music and so to get the chance to I guess use my voice for. Me myself out the way and find a voice that felt right for Harriet to use in the purest sense for communication was really special and while he was just felt like it was a little bit like hallowed ground plantation so to be able to sing they spirituals felt really empowering and special and I hope that it plays a huge role for people to understand what the story is about to understand what these people going through I feel like when you sing you expose yourself completely and in doing that in this I hope that that's what people have seen you know a person who is exposed and whose heart is on their sleeve and who is trying to communicate something they cannot say. When that Pharaoh. Of the promise land. You. See music plays such a central part in the story of this film what was your guiding principle all about songs and what they meant to the characters in the story it was super important to understand and for the audience to understand that these songs were a form of communication some of which was incredibly intricate and it was coded so that the slave masters and the overseers would not understand the purpose of the song and so it was a form of communication it was yes a form of comfort in community but it was also communication in Harriet's story it's very important that this is a weapon of resistance that she uses her voice in those songs to call to the enslaved people I'm here do you dare to come are you ready and very intricately you know she had some verses meant don't come yet it's not save it depend on the verses she sang in the song especially go down Moses which was the song she primarily sang to call to the enslaved people to run when you think about why this story hasn't been told before are and the fact that a took this long to tell the story and then it's coming out now to the timing seemed to be providential Yeah it's amazing because we didn't know that or think about it we're just trying to get a movie made and simply had been on it before I was even on it but Cindy and I like to think it's when Harriet wanted the story told really that she spoke to your event from beyond a well I definitely felt that all the time I think we both did and honestly many of us do. That worked on the movie she was a it was a constant presence in that certainly in my life I on I can use the word imagine if you want to imagine that I was talking to her all the time Casey lemons co-wrote and directed Harriet Cynthia revoke plays Harriet Tubman in the film k.c. And Cynthia thanks so much for coming on the show thanking. Area opens in theaters on November 1st up next on the frame meet the 20 year old musical artist who goes by the name a yoni. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha watching so you've seen them in books and movies and on t.v. They're really a global phenomenon but where does the story of zombies really begin to zoom in to Haiti we're also part of the Secret Society a history of zombies and our obsession with them Plus we'll have the latest on the impeachment battle on the next Morning Edition from n.p.r. News weekday mornings on 89.3 k.p.c. See. Scenes supporters including 0 And next a global money transfer company working to help businesses and individuals thrive in the age of 40 list money Mauresmo and Facts dot com and own ethics code Manning 9913 t v c c is made possible by Gordon and Donna Crawford supporting quality journalism that makes Los Angeles a better place to live I'm John Horn and this is the frame the great Nina Simone wrote a song called To Be Young Gifted and Black and that title certainly applies to the 20 year old singer songwriter and producer who goes by the single name of a yoni she has lived in and out of the United States including Barbadoes Florida Singapore and Northern California she settled in Los Angeles 2 years ago to attend u.s. Sees Thorton School of Music a Yani has now for. Remarkably mature. Titled. The definition which I might not get exact. Change when seen from different angles and that's powerful to me because at the time of my life this record is about my 1st year away from home and university experience and heartbreak I was experiencing joy I was experiencing the love I was experiencing loneliness. All of those things are powerful in their own. Telling the story of how. And how I'm still here and still standing. Like a comeback it's a revolution and its resilience and I feel like the record is completely shows. That. You know. My background born in Barbados my dad is from England like Born in England but he also moved there when he was a kid and my mom is. Experiencing definitely been something that's influence. I guess just my identity and how I see myself because I feel universally to be a black woman is a very distinct experience but I do feel like given America's history and constant and. Always feels a little. You know like sometimes I feel like in the States it's constantly a battle and I think everything I do just becomes because of who I am and how viewed and I feel like in my music as hard as I like to make. A very serious you know point to whatever I have to say because of who I am and like how I've come. On I would like to talk a little bit more about his wife you know I was very intentional putting it. It's my 1st really overwhelming experience with calling. And I went out with a friend and we went. From the time we got on the mat 5 different experiences with people following me talk to me. Just like really really like my boundaries. On it just kind of got worse and it was like we just left. So I was like Ok I want to make. Our want to write a song that really. You know we have something that's for us and for those moments. That makes us feel powerful like we can rise above it. That. There's kind of a lot of like fun to the song a lot of like. And it's kind of sarcastic at points and I'm like that's kind of how I approach. All of that is just like this is ridiculous leave me alone and let me flourish and I want you to hear how ridiculous you sound. To. Me You clearly. Designed really started the understanding of the power of this record for me like I wrote it when I was like a couple months into an amazing grounding relationship that a man and I was really writing initially about you know the love that I'm receiving that I feel like I don't get from the world as a black woman and so I feel like I'm experiencing this for the 1st time. In my head I was like Ok I'm intending this for you know other black women like me like we're strongly advise and then once I started playing it it was. Like this is divine for so much more than just me like this is divine affair so much community for me because it's like the people who push me and inspire me and make me feel divine make me feel strong and resilient in this world are my clear friends are my black friends are my friends from so many different places where we all have our. Own experiences which is not feeling like we are enough and to reclaim that in a powerful way and kind of make this song that for me feels like an ant 1000 is like taking my power back and every time I sing it I feel like I'm taking my power back just by experiencing joy and standing and whoever it resonates with amazing. Iridescent is available on your favorite streaming service that story was produced by the frames. And that is it for today I'm John Horan at the moment broadcast center at p.c.c. We're back here tomorrow. Or live where local where delis n.p.r. Leader 89.3 p.c.c. 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See it's All Things Considered I'm Nick Roman flames also came dangerously close to the Ronald Reagan Library and more than 26000 people are under evacuation orders some options because you know and 2nd. What to do what to take and also this evening. Of the fuel that they're the grass are. Ready to burn and we will chat with a meteorologist on one of the fire lines about how the wind will complicate the fire fight over night Wednesday October 30th the news is next. Live from n.p.r. News in Washington I'm Jack Speer House impeachment investigators have requested testimony from a former top top trump aide the House Intelligence Foreign Affairs and oversight committees asking former national security adviser John Bolton who appeared for questioning next Thursday morning was N.P.R.'s Ted back reports from Capitol Hill he may not appear the deposition notice obtained by n.p.r. Requests a voluntary appearance from Bolton Bolton is represented by the same lawyer as former deputy national security adviser Charles Copperman cover man has filed a lawsuit to determine whether he should comply with a congressional subpoena or whether he should comply with White House demands that he not testify according to a source familiar with Bolton's legal strategy he will appear only if a subpoena compelling his testimony is upheld by the courts lawmakers involved in the impeachment inquiry are eager to hear from the former Trump aide House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff has called Bolton a very important witness to mak n.p.r. News Washington this morning a wildfire known as the easy fire broke out in Simi Valley California near Ronald Reagan. Presidential Library pushed by strong winds and dry conditions are to spread fast put in a library in nearby communities in danger Here's k.p.c. She's Jacob Margolis It started out around 6 am and quickly spread through the dry grassy hills around the presidential library Duke Blackwood is the director there was blackout conditions and you were being pelted by 50 mile an hour winds and asked where you couldn't see you had to close your eyes we didn't know we were driving so yeah that was pretty crazy firefighters responded with crews station nearby fixed wing aircraft and helicopters which wobbled a strong gust of wind came through it actually burned all the way around the library so there's not much left to burn for now it's safe but with strong winds and fires still burning nearby anything could happen for n.p.r. News I'm Jacob Margolis in Simi Valley protester picking up steam in Iraq even as daily life continues there with barbers giving out free haircuts people playing dominoes and in some spots a party like atmosphere going on but despite the indications rocks prime minister addle Abdul Mehdi may be.