One of these exit polls suggesting the figure from this election is going to be well according to what's called the national exit poll in Ukraine. Because party servant of the people has secured around 44 percent of the vote that's well ahead of the 4 other parties which are predicted to make it into the new parliament if you look down the list the next party down is what's called the opposition platform for life which is a probe Moscow party that said to get around 11 and a half percent European solidarity which is the party of the former president Petro Poroshenko 8.9 percent so you can see that servant of the people is well ahead but to form a government of the party may well require a coalition partner and I say may well because the the makeup of the new parliament still isn't clear half the seats are decided by party lists and that relates to the exit poll we've been talking about roughly at the heart of a decided by individual 1st Past the Post contests between individual candidates intellectual districts it'll take some time for those to be know and there's a possibility is there not that if a coalition is needed it could be between a party of a president who comes up through the television comedy world with a rock star. Yeah absolutely I mean I think the most likely option for a coalition if it is needed would be between 7 of the people and the relatively new party called Hollis or the voice which is led by Ukraine's most famous rock star status of joke and I think that's a reflection again of all these new faces we are seeing in Ukrainian politics Ukrainian voters seem to be disillusioned in the old way of doing doing things the old style of politics that is why below the Missoulian Skee was elected by a landslide 3 months ago that is why his party has done well in the parliament. Reelection and is also why but jokes party the voice seems to have cleared the 5 percent threshold and will be represented in the new parliament so a possible multimedia coalition but what are the priorities now for Mr Zelinsky now that he seems to have got a pretty strong backing in parliament to go with his presidential win. Yes Well with this level of support that he's got in parliament I think he will consider this a mandate to push ahead with his reform program and both the president and his party say they want to do all sorts of things to shake up Ukraine and the political system the nomic system the legal system they're talking about passing a law on against illegal enrichment by Ukrainian officials they're talking about removing. M.P.'s immunity from prosecution there's also talk about a law on presidential impeachment electoral reform there's a long list of of reforms that the president says he wants to carry out having said that he does have his critics there are people in Ukraine who believe he's too close to a powerful tycoon Igor Illinois Skee Now the president denies that the businessman denies that too there are skeptics who believe that well we've seen it all before we've seen people who've come into power and believe that they can reform the country nothing's come of it but I think that the election results today seem to indicate that the now many Ukrainians want to keep faith prepared to keep faith in this show man president and in his party Steve thanks very much the b.b.c. Steve Rosenberg in here while lots of new faces are expected some of them pretty young faces 22 year old Stratton's love your rash is expected if these exit poll results are borne out to become one of the M.P.'s from Mr Zelinsky servant of the people party this Parliament completely compose or far from our starts will be composed of people who are never numbers of Parliament before because Ukraine is a very time individuals who have been in both the last 28 years and who let them down continuously We are very much built the reality that Ukrainian support or want for the last 20 years 28 years since India. Pendants of course and you're not and during that time you were bull you're a young man what is it that got you into politics this election cycle the reality of presidential elections were 1st and in these elections present this. As 173 percent of the vote because that's how amazingly Ukrainians were the previous politicians trying to continuously cling to power and when I was joining him for the presidential elections after that. Election seem to be a rational next step where we can work with the president to try and get things done what do you bring personally. I. Never since I came back to Ukraine from my foreign studies I was focused on developing Kring national connections 1st. 2014 life on the National Center with the media and with. Embassies in Ukraine and with Ukraine and the us what are the sides that I also was the secretary of the civil council for that alliance which I'll be joining what difference do you think it will make to Ukraine to have a parliament with large numbers of people who have not directly been involved in the political process before to be honest with you have been deeply engaged in a way all parliamentarians thought this is the people who have been at the revolution the last one on the one before that these are people who have been battling crops for then entire life these are people who was engaged to play with the society these are people who are extremely political just haven't had a chance to actually implement all the ideas they have developed you will be aware since you were involved in the the euro my down revolution that these were exactly the things that were being said directly after that but a lot of people were disappointed how can you ensure that the same disappointment doesn't happen again because this time we come prepared we have the last 5. Years of 30 years people in the parliament who have been making many mistakes making many compromising alliances and for us it's very clear what to avoid because we have the last 5 years to look back on as example of what not to do when you were in Solomons what mistakes specifically are you going to try and avoid So 1st as the alliances with your doc systems that have been promising the world living nothing 1st for more 2nd it's joining the old party that's what this time around we're coming together in a whole new policy previously this is these people that are in the parliament these were the people who have joined existing policies trying to build alliances trying to change this is them from within Now we understand that we must try to build a new system with our new political policy 22 year old Seattle your ash expected to become an m.p. In the Ukrainian parliament under a court of his Ukrainian writer and political commentator is best known internationally for his novel death and the penguin from Ukraine's adesa region he told me what he thought the results of this election would mean I think it will be a huge factor actually an impact on the country it's a new phase in the history of political history of the country because we have completely News shared in the parliament and the parties we should use to be the headliners parties and the most important ones are practically turn into dust bowl will have a lot of unexperienced people completely unknown to the voters but this shows actually trust in the new president and it shows. An adventurous way had for Ukraine it what is different to 2014 what's different this time to just 5 years ago when the revolution took place you and I stood in the my down on the on the very night that there was a change of power in Ukraine a lot of the hopes then. Very high but they were dashed What's different this time well at 6 different kind of hopes now and this whole sex most the connected they cannot Miccolis us Russia Lee would be. With. Us also but generally the main message of the voters is that they are fed up with all the political elites of Ukraine so there they are prepared to take risk and to elect and to have completely unknown personalities as their leaders and ministers and statesman and of course I mean there is a huge risk and most of the intellectuals are quite sarcastic about the events but the majority of regulation seems happy how do you look with your satirical Rice's eye on the reality of political life now in Ukraine with a president who came up through television comedy talking about going into coalition with a party led by the one of the top rock stars in the country a sort of multimedia coalition going on in parliament these where television elections and I mean in fact I was thinking that we I haven't come partition between 3 main t.v. Channels not between political parties so I mean like the t.v. Channels we're playing the roles over the political parties and it didn't channel which $11.00 plus one t.v. Channel which create it as this show man and comedian and actor I mean can they they will have now who were caught to create a real physical existence political force and I think it will be very difficult it will be difficult and it will be accompanied by a lot so fair a funny situations and since Zelinsky himself spent 20 years in the t.v. Studio making fun all the actually a little of almost all. Politicians in Ukraine except for Russian politicians I think and I hope there will be new comedians which might do with a much bigger talent which will mark whatever is done or announced by Selenski and his party because I mean without this balance between satire and reality Ukraine will not survive and you optimistic for the future now more optimistic than even for some time I am more optimistic now than I was after presidential elections I accepted the results I was not happy and I am not had to still but I can see that actually I mean if the majority are all floaters I shouldn't be criticizing majority but I will follow very closely and actually I mean you know there is not to write who supports Zelinsky in his party everybody is aggressively against him so we will see how intellectuals So Ukraine will practically command on what is done by these events get his party in the parliament in the government in presidential administration and that was the Ukrainian writer and commentator Andrei could call if you're listening to the b.b.c. 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Comedian turned president we move now to another country where fact and fiction seem to be blurring in public policy France announced this week that its army is forming a red team of science fiction writers who will imagine possible future threats so perhaps future plots the writers creative thoughts is supposed to complement more traditional military planning but France isn't the 1st country to have the idea. These close to Moscow still dog. Is Will it come to an end in 90 days it's the change that came to my family about Brad Pitt zombie apocalypse film world Woolsey world was it was based on a book by an author who also teaches that America's West Point Military Academy he is and this is fact not fiction Max Brooks the son of a list actors Mel Brooks and Don Bancroft World War z. Or World War said it was much more of a grand strategy book and that was required reading at our u.s. Naval War College and it was also read by General Odierno who is commander of forces in Iraq World War Zed really does just talk about a brand new threat no one was expecting and we 1st try to go up against the threat in the old way the old way doesn't work we take a beating and then we adapt and we adapt at every level of society so that's how World War Zyad was an example of what human beings can do when we need to change and we need to grow I lecture to cadets about what it takes to get an idea from your head out into the real world in your world in the world all of writing all the films that's embraced but in the mill it actually has not improved it's pretty much the same what I go through even in the publishing world or in Hollywood is really no different from what they go through in the military because Hollywood has wonderful ideas coming at them all the time but if those ideas. I don't have a champion to run them up the chain of command those ideas usually in the form of screenplays will sit on a shelf and those screenplays gathering dust are no different then the mountains of military reports that are gathering dust in archives all over the world so it's the idea to spring cool some gold dust over their ideas the idea is to be a champion because it's wonderful to have let's say a kernel that's running a working group say of science fiction writers within the military sphere and those sides fiction writers can come up with some amazing scenarios that will eventually save lives but that kernel the needs to take those ideas and champion them to the generals above him is not the problem that I was it traditionally been the problems of those higher up the chain have not wanted to have those ideas he does exactly the problem and we saw that problem in an ocean of blood about 100 years ago you had people being slaughtered by the millions every single day because of a handful of crusty old generals who had come of age several decades earlier and the world had changed and they hadn't and new ideas of warfare had come about that could have ended the slaughter but they weren't willing to hear it they were still stuck in an age of cavalry and flags and charges and a lot and they were butting up against the cold hard science of the machine gun and mustard gas and they were not willing to adapt you use a nice French word there to introduce us to the concept of the French military having this unit now with 4 or 5 science fiction writers coming up with new future ideas of the kind of threats that the country might face what do you think of that it's a great start because there is at least a fundamental understanding certainly at the lower levels the world is changing more rapidly than we could have ever imagined. And we cannot afford another failure of imagination we need to have as much creativity and as much thought thrown at these problems as we can and this is not just a French idea we do it the modern war institute the Atlantic Council of America has done it through the art of future warfare I'm sure the British are doing it and I guarantee the Russians and the Chinese are doing it but it is only a start and that was the science fiction writer the military trainer and son of Hollywood royalty Max Brooks. Brazil's indigenous population is said to be stunned and watery by President both Sinatras choice of a federal police officer with links to agricultural businesses as the next head of the Funai agency the national body that oversees Indigenous Affairs critics say it effectively puts the fate of the Amazon rain forest on its inhabitants in the hands of an industry that wants to exploit and destroy it Mr Wilson our supporters say developing the area will bring much needed economic development to Brazil's native people well Sarah Schenker is a research at Survival International an organization that campaigns for the rights of indigenous peoples and she joins us now Sara shank tell us about this person that's been appointed and why indigenous people are so concerned. Yes my son as of yet who has so been appointed to be the next president of to night Indigenous affairs department of the Brazilian government is bad news for indigenous peoples because he is very likely to toe the line of president but also not who has practically declared war on Brazil's indigenous population since taking presidency in January this year and he has tried all sorts of ways to open up indigenous people's land and still that land for exploitation so agri business and also for large scale mining and of course for Indigenous Peoples this is catastrophic because indigenous peoples depend completely on that land for their survival you know it gives them that suit their medicine that housing absolutely everything and uncontacted tribes who have no regular contact with mainstream society stand to lose the most in fact so genocide that was sitting at the moment. What just what does this position then as head of the agency actually allow someone to do what why does it make such a difference. Well this agency if you and I is responsible for mapping out and protecting it isn't us people's territory in given that land is fundamental that means that soon I is absolutely key to Indigenous people survival and that is why indigenous people are very much against the point meant of this Mr the head of the night they want somebody who's going to stand up for them who's going to fight alongside them for their rights to be respected rather than toeing the line of the agri business lobby which just wants to open up the land but actually it's quite interesting because whilst we say that this would be terrible this appointment to her and I of myself at the same time we see that the indigenous movement in Brazil is becoming much stronger and earlier this year Brazilian Indians led the biggest ever international protests for indigenous rights and that strengthened their demands are actually ensuring that president also not a doesn't always get his way so they have actually managed so far this year to pull out several administrative moves the president also not it was trying to make that would enable him and his colleagues to still indigenous peoples and they say well is what about the argument that is made and I know you're busy you disagree vehemently with the way it's being enacted and the disappointment but the argument that actually there is an economic benefit to be had for Indigenous people in a in a degree in amount of development that is just not true because the sort of so-called development the president also not on his colleagues are pushing is not going to help Indigenous people a tool it's just for big business it's the sort of so-called development that will bring big profits to big business but will not help indigenous people all of the minorities in. And also because there's never any justification for doing anything which is likely to put the whole populations at risk with something about uncontacted tribes which could be whites out. Completely against the president. Sarah Schenker we have to leave it there Sarah Schenker from Survival International You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service and this is News Hour coming to you live from London with James Martone. Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service News Hour in the u.s. Is made possible by American Public Media producer and distributor of award winning public radio contact a.p.m. American Public Media with support from Babble a European made language learning program Babel teaches practical conversation in Spanish French German and other languages available in the app store or online at b a b b e l dot com. The supporters include Huntington Hospital in Pasadena recognized by u.s. 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Iran tanker around but 1st you've probably been living on the moon if you didn't know that this weekend is the 50th anniversary of man's 1st successful lunar landing an estimated 600000000 people watched that coverage on television seeing those famous images of Neil Armstrong bus a group of scientists at the job will bang radio Observatory here in the u.k. Who are monitoring the event on their screens now to something else an unmanned Russian space probe Luna 15 that was also aiming to reach the moon in order to get samples of moon rock back to Earth before the Apollo crew retired engineered Bowl Pritchet spoke to our science correspondent Victoria Gill about this forgotten episode in the space race I am sure that their intention was to saw flattened take a sample from the movie I think get it back to Earth before the Apollo managed to so they who claimed to have done it 1st hand with no risk. As far as 50. Or one received was the telemetry the say signal they're getting from its instruments they are staring at it saying yes pressing that shot when you came to a poll that has them thank you if. You had the voices Yeah sure says it will. Only be transmissible the forces of the crowd control let's talk to the astronauts so needed to how come the say so you could hear both sides thank you so I. Thank you for Sunday drives a trend here. The sounds are going to air in the background with commands from Luna 15 and also the voices from the Apollo 11 spacecraft our noble around the Russian probe did eventually attempt to land on the main surface. But that's when the mission came to an untimely and. My time is 1550 times a 2nd. Is that landed on the on the 23 year. Old est. The following day due to 50 crashed onto the surface of the moon at 10 to 4 in the afternoon they sedated 15 crashed just 2 hours just 2 hours before Apollo enough and lifted off from this is. That we believe that. Back. But. How much did it hit. You really think I think it finally shook when one saw all the pictures off on time vision and then you walked out of your house and looked up in the sky. And saw the movie said it's human beings and walked. It's moved and then you think and I picked the signals. Act. I'm not was the resigned engineer bold print talking to our science correspondent Victoria deal. We're listening to the b.b.c. World Service this is News Hour coming to you live from our studios in central London with James Kim are Sammy the u.k. And Iran's tit for tat tank around rumble Zam 2 days after the Iranian seized a British flag oil tanker in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for the early detention of one of their vessels off the coast of Gibraltar Iranian television has today been showing images of the British vessel the stand compare Oh with an Iranian flag fluttering over it separately a recording has been released of a radio exchange between a Royal Navy warship and an Iranian patrol boat shortly before the tanker was boarded by Iranian Revolutionary Guards on Friday the excerpt that is being made public begins with what appears to be the Iranian vessel warning the stand n Piro to change course. Immediately. Struck 236. That you are conducting in a recognized international strait under international. Security . International. And since it. Was the case defense minister Tobias Elwood for his response to that recording I reiterate the words for the foreign secretary on the defense secretary that this is a hostile act this is a nation that was in full compliance of international maritime law operating in respect of she learns in the Straits of Hormuz the Iranians initially come those a collision with a fishing vessel. Then there was an oil spill most concerning me which may fit in with the recording that you have is the ship and went dock is transponders were then switched off which does mean that getting access to it and understanding where exactly is you know obviously causes problems but then moved into Iranian territorial waters and this is an example of a state r.c. And we need to deescalate this because this isn't an event in its isolation as you know there's been a series of events that have taken place over the last 3 or 4 weeks and said as part of a why did you know political tensions that arose to so we need to take measured steps to reduce the tensions to ensure that we put a flag ship back into international waters but ultimately look to resolve the wider dispute that there is between Iran and the West the British defense minister Tobias Elwood Well Iran's foreign minister Javad Zarif has also reacted to the Rao today suggesting on Twitter that president trumps national security advisor John Bolton a well known Iran Hawk is quote turning his venom against the u.k. In hopes of dragging it into a quagmire So what message is he trying to send as a day my veni is a former Middle East correspondent for Time magazine and in Iran analyst It seems to me that he is signaling to the u.k. Look don't do this is very much a tweet suggesting that from Terence perspective this is a really hostile act keeping this Iranian vessels long as it has that 2nd I think it reflects you know from the Iranian view they don't see the u.k. Acting here they see the u.k. Acting on behalf of the u.s. On behalf of the Baltic which has been very very much aggressive and kind of designed to move the 2 countries towards confrontation is he just trying to poke at the u.k. In a sense saying look you're you're being dragged into something unwittingly the u.k. Was supposed to be playing a special role here Ok it was meant to be helping reduce tensions it was meant to be getting this financial vehicle running to. Healthy Iran import basic food and essential medicines it was kind of that meant to be the lead salvage of the deal so I think the tweet reflects the wilderness you know not only is the u.k. Not a kind of stepping in to deescalate and keep hold of things but it's kind of stepping in line with Bolton and moving things toward a very dangerous confrontation so in a sense warning the u.k. Then the not to to side with the Americans over the other Europeans when it comes to Iran. I mean I don't know if the tone of that is the warnings now which is a signal I think it's it's really important to underscore that the oil is the lifeblood of the Iranian economy essentially I think that the message is look I mean we control the Strait of Hormuz if we cannot sail our ships around the world if we cannot sell our oil which is essentially the way that we feed 83000000 people then there are going to be tensions for everyone and now of course we have the the British ship that is being how old and displayed on Iranian t.v. With it an Iranian flag on it so tensions rising it's pretty much standard I mean I think Iran will weigh in but it's time I think its leadership you know is playing the cautious game but it will it will eventually fight back and I think it's done that in a very calibrated way and in a cautious way but it's an x. The stench a whole moment for Iran I mean if it turns out it's will you know it will be you know in real economic jeopardy so I think that you know a calibrates a response just enough to show how much it's hurting but I don't think that that it genuinely you know will want things to escalate but it cannot show weakness at the same time and where do you stand on this question of of the influence the jumbo jets and really has whether or not Donald Trump is listening to him will pushing back against his desire to drag America into a war where he's been hugely influential I mean I think that you know even if even if he represents you know a hawkish. Minority perhaps even within the Republican establishment he's been holding this file and he has got it you know a multilateral deal and kind of pushed that the middle eastern tip far greater instability that perhaps any time in the last 15 years and at the same time you know Donald Trump is is famously capricious and he faces reelection in the at least I think is very aware that his base has no appetite for another Middle Eastern war so I think this is the luck of timing in a way that is what prevents John Bolton from from seeing his dream of war realized what might deescalate the situation do you think he's going to make the 1st move I mean it's incredibly delicate because whatever the u.k. Does you know will resign so much more loudly than this particular situation I think given how this this whole tanker incident unfolded it began with the u.k. And the Spanish said as much on very irregularly and probably unlawfully seating and running in ship if that's how it started you know it seems seems reasonable for the u.k. Just takes the 1st step towards deescalation But you know on the week where Boris Johnson you know assumes the position of number 10 it's hard to city it's hard to see stepping down or stepping back is his 1st move given kind of what we know about the dreams of his relationship with the White House as a dame of any ending with a reference to the likely next British prime minister we'll find out for sure on Tuesday whether or not Boris Johnson has won the conservative party leadership contest I will have full coverage of all here on news out. Plastic coal and jobs a 2 musical genres which tend to operate in separate orbits bought a collaboration between the star violinist Nicola Benedetti and the johns legend Wynton must say. This as both those 2 worlds together their recent album includes a violin concerto which he wrote and a suite of fiddle teens our special correspondent James Naughtie has been speaking to this pair of very different virtue about how they found a common path. Down would with Nikki go which she wanted the piece to be. From Norah hurts worse we want that she talks about all the times dreams so so. Explain the business of dreaming Nicola How is it but that became the spirit of the piece I think it's just something I must refer to a lot of dreams and nightmares and it became kind of. The how the 1st movement plays out is just opposing very very different states an extreme state that has it starts relatively calmly and an inch in a kind of yes well it's in the 1st movement starts calm and quite quickly goes into a kind of nightmare feel but there throughout the 4 movements you have every type of you know euphoria intimacy downs. So every time I write a piece I try to deal with literal aspects of the piece then the metaphorical aspects of it in metaphysical. So literally yes it is a dream so it goes from one thing to the next but it could be anything but made of metaphorically the dream is her coming into us here playing a concerto and you get to transport just so from where you are to that place and metaphysical It says that the. Hold a spiritual belief that all of this is a dream. And I want to ask you in a club Benedetti what it was like getting your your head around this music it wasn't hard for me to understand what the emotional content what was required of the music it was just hard to execute it because it required me to depart quite far from my my my physical and kind of typical styles of playing my instrument but I do think that's that's like the largest responsibility of us as a classical quote unquote classical musician is to go deep inside worlds that are far from yours and you've got to produce in the last movement x. To say really haven't you. It's wild it so yeah oh it was joyous Yeah absolutely and and one that's not frivolous at all so it's it's like very uplifting and euphoric but harsh at the same as uprightly from d.c. It's hot like it's got harsh winters it was always hard it is because it had to be here and some of whom you know the aspect of the groove is not like there's a 2nd piece in the album which is a fiddle downstairs. And fiddle than violin and this done Swedish It's just. The folk tradition to me and I just drops with it yeah absolutely and and how the the various musical components have been merged in each movement so successfully. The things that it's to me from an abstract perspective or a distance seemed like that they they may not fuse actually became so natural the more and the Strasse fame particular that's probably one of my highlights I love playing that Mr. Couch. You happy you did it yeah learned a lot and a lot of it was due to the education and the micro attention to 2 details that are that I learned from her and if you were going to say to someone listening to this who's not a normal consumer of classical music and that's all that sounds interesting I might want to listen to this what would you tell him to expect just so some colorful music did that we wrote in and played and we want people who cares about music to check it out because we want to challenge Beatles listenings and take him into another world of things and possibilities and we're trying to get better as musicians it is rather. Than this list. But to most of us a nickel Benedetti thank you both federal and thank you. I'm not a poet was from James nothing to you listening to news from the b.b.c. Well 7. Distribution of the b.b.c. 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Pakistan's prime minister Imran Khan is meeting President Trump at the White House on Monday it is his 1st visit to the United States since taking office last year and follows a long spell of tension between the 2 countries a year and a half ago Mr Trump announced that he would suspend aid to Pakistan until the country ended its relationship with a number of terrorist groups he had previously tweeted that Pakistan had quote given nothing but lies and deceit in exchange for $33000000000.00 in aid So what should we expect from this meeting Cameron Munter is an independent consultant who was the u.s. Ambassador to Pakistan between 20102012 Shuja Nawaz is a political and strategic analyst with the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council in Washington d.c. Does he think Pakistan's prime minister is hoping for a reset the 2 countries relationship I think both sides want to reset the relationship because the break in the relationship has not helped either of course it has hurt Pakistan much more because it was part of an unequal alliance with the United States and it has suffered on the economic front specially because of the shutdown of u.s. Assistance and now it is resetting by getting the u.s. To assist not only the international financial institutions get aid to Pakistan but also to get Pakistan off the blacklist of the Financial Action Task Force which has been examining Pakistan's dealings with money laundering and terror financing Cameron Munter do you think President Trump is open to a reset. I think he is and I think that the 2 leaders have a remarkable opportunity here they're both charismatic leaders who are people who you know really want to see if they can make a breakthrough as should you not once has mentioned the relationship has been a troubled one and it's been basically one that has been defined by geo strategic and counterterrorism issues I think what we may find is that both of these advisors both of these leaders perhaps contradicting their advisors may focus more on economics on the financial crisis that this school crisis in Pakistan the opportunities for business for America then they concentrate on that more than the traditional concentration that their advisors have on counterterrorism in geostrategic issues such as the future of Afghanistan or these other terrorist questions and was an interesting move by Prime Minister come to to make the army chief the head of the National Economic Council I guess that chimes with what Cameron Munter was saying about the the economic aspects rising to the top. I don't think he is the head of the council that he is certainly in the council and will probably at the loudest voice and importantly also this is in recent memory the 1st time that the prime minister has brought the army chief was there as well as the intelligence chief on a visit to the United States this is a departure with the past because it indicates that the army and the several are on the same page as the government insists and also. Some critics will note that this may be a way for the military to ensure that it keeps an eye on what goes on in Washington because in the past so really and prime ministers would come and privately complain bitterly about the military and there was a shop divided between the 2 that is patently no longer the case although within Pakistan that still remains an unequal partnership and Cameron Munter beyond the the chemistry between the 2 leaders there is there a deep well of distrust in the United States isn't there that they will have to overcome if they want to get the relationship back on a better footing yet they did mistrust on both sides I think that the American notion has been that the Pakistanis have not done what they said they would do and the Pakistanis who believe that the Americans have left them in the lurch and not supported amnesty should I think one of the things that could be a change here I'm not sure it will happen is that if the context of the relationship changes from a strictly utilitarian or even kind of instrumental. Relationship of people fighting terrorism a defined by this counterterrorism fight and by geo strategic issues it changes a little bit more towards a relationship based on mutual benefit of economic issues Imran Khan being able to deal with his financial crisis the United States looking for opportunities for trade investment overseas it could change the feeling the context in the atmosphere of the Russian. Ship and maybe give it a new chance and get past some of the difficulties that you deny was mentioned at the very beginning and should you know wasn't does the prime minister coming to this meeting from resist position of domestic strength or does he need to to get something from this to show to the audience back in Pakistan is this a sort of a big meeting for him. Well he's begun the uphills dos go for resetting the economy which is in dire straits Cameron Munter also explained there's a fiscal crisis taxes are down for foreign direct investment is down and there's going to be a shortage of resources at a time when he needs to be growing at close to 6 or 7 percent just to stay even and the current growth rate in Pakistan is below 4 percent so the United States can help with trade measures by opening the u.s. Borders to imports from Pakistan particularly by lowering tariffs to at least the European levels it can also play a regional role in assisting Sog to reopen its borders with India and with Afghanistan and connecting it to Central Asia so that kind of trade will give an enormous boost to Pakistan's economy and briefly Cameron Munter what about Congress where does it stand on this because it often doesn't see eye to eye with the president I think that in general there is great Pakistan fatigue the phrase people have used Pakistan in Washington a feeling that in the definition of our greatest. Challenge which was the post 911 effort to try to eradicate the terrorism and to win the war in Afghanistan there's a sense in Congress there's a sense in the Washington bureaucracy that Pakistan has not been a good partner so I think the president will have probably some resistance if he chooses to reignite same. We're to rebuild the relationship mainly looking at economics people will say but what about the with Pakistan hasn't worked in the past there's going to be an issue here that you know it's not going to be easy to follow through on a lot of these initiatives if they show up and we heard there from the former u.s. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter from now was a political and strategic analyst with the South Asia Center of the Atlantic Council in Washington d.c. Which is where Prime Minister Imran Khan will be meeting President Trump on Monday that brings us to an end of this edition of News Hour from me James tomorrow saw me and the rest of the team here in London thanks very much for listening until the next time good bye. Good afternoon everybody it's a minute before too and coming up next here on 89.3 p.c.c. 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