Lakshmi saying President Donald Trump is firing Steve Benen one of his closest advisors during the last 7 turbulent months in office the latest controversy stems from Trump's inflammatory remarks about last weekend's White Nationalists rally in Charlottesville Virginia that alarmed both Democrats and Republicans in Congress but won praise from White Nationalists Bannon's prominence at the White House seemed to amplify the racially charged division this week culminating in his exit as N.P.R.'s Jeff Bennett reports Steve Bannon is leaving the White House by mutual agreement between Bannon and Trump's chief of staff the White House announced today White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders in a statement says of bannana quote We are grateful for his service and wish him the best band in had been a polarizing figure within the White House the 63 year old former head of the conservative Breitbart News outlet is considered to be the link between President Trump and his far right base of supporters but Bannon had been widely criticized for his nationalist views Jeff Bennett n.p.r. News Washington Bannon's departure could have political repercussions for Trump whose most ardent supporters are expressing concern that the president may not move closer may now closer to the g.o.p. Establishment but Trump's critics say Bennett's departures not enough the Progressive Change Campaign Committee reportedly has launched t.v. Ads alluding to the need to oust White House aide Steven Miller and Sebastian Gorka House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi put out a statement today saying Bannon's departure does not disguise where Trump himself stands on white supremacists she said the administration must purge itself of other staffers who promote bigoted ideology but she did not specify who should be ousted secretary of state Rex Tillerson is promising to try to close what he calls the diversity gap his in his department and he's speaking out about hate speech N.P.R.'s Michele Kelemen has more Tillerson didn't mention. Charlottesville directly nor did he talk about President Trump's controversial statements this week but the secretary wanted minority staffers an insurance to know where he stands but we condemn racism bigotry in all its forms racism is evil is an affordable to America's values it's an affair TACL to the American ideal he's also trying to dispel fears that he might cut programs designed to recruit minorities Tillerson raised alarms earlier this year on Capitol Hill when he suspended such a program the secretary says that was a temporary move as he tries to cut the budget and redesign the State Department Michele Kelemen n.p.r. News Washington one American is among the 14 people killed in 2 terrorist attacks in the Spanish cities of Barcelona and contrails yesterday about 100 more people were wounded when terrorists turned their vehicles on men women and children. You're listening to n.p.r. News support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include the Walton Family Foundation working surf repair all students for a lifetime of opportunity by ensuring access to high quality k. Through 12 choices more information is available at Walton k. 12 dot org and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting This is 89.3 news in Orange County judge today throughout the death penalty option for Scott to cry to cry the county's worst mass killer has confessed to gunning down 8 people including his ex-wife at a Seal Beach salon in 2011 the judge ruled that prosecutors and sheriff's deputies violated decries rights by withholding evidence and using a jail informant while building the case against him to cries expected to be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole Arnold Schwarzenegger has a blunt message for Nazis and for Donald Trump the Republican former California governor appears in a video talking to a Bible head version of the president the video is produced by an l.a. Based progressive media startup called. Attention. In 80 firmly denounced racism and Nazi ideology and urged President Trump to reject the support of white supremacists then the 2 sides to bigotry and then look to substitute a trait that includes you Presidents trump the fact this president of this great country you have a moral responsibility to send them in the message that you stand for hate in Faces of Schwarzenegger also spoke directly to white nationalists he said your heroes are losers you are supporting a lost cause in his words the Austrian born bodybuilder described his youth in Austria just after World War 2 saying he grew up surrounded by veterans of that war who live their lives in shame checking traffic the Lancashire on and off ramps are closed until further notice on the 5 south at Lanka traffic is backed up to Sheldon . News. And welcome to News Hour from the b.b.c. World Service coming live from London this is all in but it turns into day after weeks of rumors president Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon has been sacked So what influence did he have on the president's policies what will it mean now that he has gone we'll also hear from our reporter in Barcelona the day after the fatal jihadist attack that and from Chile this woman who was told that her baby couldn't survive. I asked the doctor to help me have an abortion but he told me that was nearly impossible and that they should keep praying despite. So my . Terrible time for me and my family as well as those change we'll be hearing about that of 1st everyone who started the White House chief strategist Steve Batum says he was a very important difference on President Trump Lossie devising his pitch to the electorate in the campaign but in a sign of just tired powerful the new chief of staff John Kelly has become Mr Patten has gone we'll get a sense of how he framed the 2016 presidential campaign here he's speaking at a future of conservatism conference in 2013 I think these fights are going to be the new normal I think it's going to be. Center right populist movement that is. I think it's. The working people. Country to really have a voice to really take their country back from the state Selous is a political writer at The Washington Post and she studied Mr balance career closely so surprised he's gone I think it's very hard to think of anything of this is surprising these days can the White House and sadly it's been something that's been speculated about in this in this past week following extraordinary apparent lead off to the challenge still uprisings and rising that which that of course. Death and Bannon seem to calculate that in terms of political advantage which of course was the height of insensitivity as many people wrote about but you're right going back Bannon was enormously influential when he came to join Trump in August of 2016 and brought a campaign that was struggling into some order with his fiery populist rhetoric and his following on Breitbart News Daily and we were able to look back at his long discussions with Trump more than 2 hours which were all and all are still available online to people who want to look and see how Bannon talked to trump before Trump was the candidate and before Trump became president you could see them working out agreeing on some things ban and pushing on his very strong anti immigration rhetoric Trump sometimes less aggressive on those issues than Bannon but going along with him so bad and then taking the lead and I think when Trump built his administration and brought in Bannon immediately as a chief strategist if the 1st things we noticed coming out from the White House were executive orders that seemed to have been stamped on them I think that was very noticeable right so I mean Steve Bartman probably thought he was the brains behind the operation and you do well in the beginning it said he looked at that case with Trump right he's always a man who's had a psychic go way back to 1980 and he had something called Louie sunshine walking with him and business he always and then he had his children working on his friend never taking He was always the king he was gonna do Kamen people started taking notes about this agenda that Bannon was pushing and Time magazine called him the great manipulator people started referring to him as the puppet master and I don't think Trump ever wanted up to be seen as the puppet use that to run the country and be president and so even with Trump you could see tensions happening and then of course internally within the administration than and cushion as disagreements Jarrad question of this is Trump son in law and your son in law by April we were definitely seeing signs of pan and cushion at war within the administration one of many signs of turmoil that came out of this White House so all the globalists and of the Nationalists was that it I think it's not allowed to tell but I think. John Kelly isn't right now so this is the 4 star Marine who Trump has brought in to bring a measure of rigor and discipline to a White House she's been so widely criticized for its Well we'll see how that works he's somebody who needs to learn to manage down and up and in this White House that's probably tricky you know what about Mr Obama now you know he has very strong views and presumably will want to state them but he will probably want to remain loyal to the White House as well how is he going to handle it well this is fascinating I think it's a great question looking ahead he has said he will advocate for Trump's agenda now does that mean the Banon Trump agenda or a new agenda that's not clear so even though he's going out saying that he will be loyal what he'll be loyal to is neutral clear and as we know from Trump's own background he's contradicted himself many times throughout his campaign even as President so what that means isn't clear might Bannon go back to Breitbart News Daily where he has a new nonnes megaphone or perhaps even start another outlet that could be very tricky for Trump they could even make Trump look like a centrist if Bannon moves off and lights the father right right but you think he will continue to be active I think he will and that was Francis deeds said as from the Washington Post a little later on we're going to hear from Benjamin Hardwell who's a friend of Mr Bowden no one seems to have an obvious on so as to why the president would have done this at this moment in time when all the pressure all the opposition that surrounding the administration is exceeded pitch just moves does seem to be a torpedoed direct plea. One segment of his electorate that it may and loyal to him he's base well but has been horrible has been in touch with Mr Burnham in recent days and we'll hear his interview in about 25 minutes time. Police in the Spanish region of Catalonia say the job is to killed 14 people into vehicle attacks. Had been planning a much bigger attack involving explosives but all that went to right when that bomb factory blew up on Wednesday of the B.B.C.'s Paul Moss in Barcelona I asked him why the vet's blowing up of the bomb factory by accident could have given the Spanish authorities the information needed to trace this group parents where nothing seems simpler remember this several different incidents which police are trying to tie together there's the explosion in the house there's the attack on us Ramblers there's the very similar attack a few hours later in Cumbria there was also yesterday someone who drove the police elsewhere was later found dead in their car but he still don't know if an incident was related you know it may be that with hindsight we can tie all these not suggest that for the moment things are very unclear one of the major developments now is that 2 Spanish newspapers are reporting I should say this is completely unconfirmed but 2 Spanish newspaper is reporting that the person the man who drove that car down Les Roberts just a short distance from where I'm sitting was one of the 5 who later drove a police down in Cambridge and who was shot dead now if that's true that obviously changes the security situation because until now people thought that the man responsible for those 14 deaths was on the run it seems like he may have been shot dead last night but that's still unclear and the situation is yes very murky lots of loose ends to tie up right and one of people in Barcelona saying to you as you go around the city it's really strange I mean I'm just sitting in class. You know if you didn't look too hot it looks like a normal lovely evening in Barcelona has been a school giving way to this balmy evening in front of me this tourist taking selfies as some locals wandering around the main thing people have talked about is defiance they held a vigil right where I'm sitting here today with a minute's silence included and people were as you'll hear talking very much about not wanting their lives to change as they commemorated those who lost their lives. This was supposed to be the occasion for a minute's silence and silence there eventually was but the crowds that gathered in Barcelona's Plaza Catalunya today wanted to show their defiance. No 20 mm poor they chanted which in the capital and language means we have no fear they were standing just meters from the spot where the attack of began his deadly drive down last Romulus yesterday and everyone insisted they wanted to show that life would continue as normal I think it's going to showing that everything is keep him going on we keep going on a life and divide us and then one day today I'll just leave which is make us hate the one happening we wouldn't keep together I'm in love. There's a couple here with a painting which they tell me symbolizes peace you brought that along today is the color white you can see that to mean peace we want peace around the war not just in that fellow not all in munches they're all in New York on London or in Paris we want peace out there war and we have to stop the terrorists. I think about this scene is it's sheer familiarity it's a different city a different country but once again we have hundreds I think maybe thousands of people gathering in a square in the wake of a terrible acts of violence trying to make sense of it trying to come to terms with it perhaps feeling that just by standing together they can begin some kind of healing process it's important for me because I'm against Bio length and I'm not afraid and I just want to show up and say no to violence who you saying no to who is this rally who is this minute silence address that everybody who thinks that violence is the solution for me it's not a solution in any way start a dialogue I know that sometimes it's not easy but I still have faith. But who would you start a dialogue with with Islamic states it's not clear they want to tour you know but but but we have more power than we think we have. And so the minute silence began punctuated appropriately enough by the sound of a police for some the it was too much. Overcome with emotion one woman shouted abuse against politicians she said were partly responsible for these kinds of attacks and at the terrorist. Amongst the crowd I found Malik who is here on holiday with manic comes from Lebanon a place which certainly knows all about political. How did you feel to be on holiday in Barcelona it's a find violence following you here it's scary it's shocking every time we come here it's full of happiness and love and we feel ashamed kind of because I'm a Muslim myself and this is not Islam you come from a country a city Beirut which has had plenty of experience of political violence people I've spoken to today say they want life to continue as suppose I could ask you Do you have any advice for them just stick together stay strong and don't show weakness if you show weakness they will do it again and again and again we should just stick together no matter what race what religion feel aggrieved but then show strength about Lebanese advice for B.B.C.'s Paul Moss in Barcelona. 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You're listening to news Chile is one of 5 countries in Latin America where abortion is illegal under any circumstances for the past 2 years President Michel brush unless has been trying to change the law so that abortions would be allowed in certain cases such as rape if the mother's life is at risk or if the fetus has a deadly birth defect but this Mistral opposition from religious groups on the political right later on Friday the tribunal court will make a judgment some of Jane chambers report from Chile may be upsetting. I. Have. Given rights and women's groups to standing outside the tribe you know court waiting to get that testimonies the law was passed by the House of Senate and House of Deputies at the start of August but the tribe you know cool has the final say. In telling the story. After her testimony we go to a nearby cafe the mall shooting 10 men think what me and the other women who get their testimony sing court have suffered and not how we don't want other women to suffer like Cass in my case I had to go through a pregnancy knowing that when my baby was born he would die. I have an 11 year old son and when I got pregnant he was 9 my has one and I was so excited about having another child my son was very happy about the idea of having a little problem so when we found out that the baby was unwell it was a terrible row for all of us. When we went for us we were told that the fetus was a mass of tumours and that he saw guns were growing out of his body my has been asked how long the baby was going to leave and the medic said because of the way he was developing he wouldn't survive once he was put off what I have. To tell to tell me that if so what did you want to do. But give a lot I mean that I asked the doctor to help me have an abortion but he told me that was legally impossible and that I should keep praying the spite of the scans showed so my pregnancy was a terrible time for me and my family they saw me suffer and I'm 13 I want to say to you I don't remember. What was it like when the baby was finally did you see him what a lovely medal given what the one assume you this is the 1st thing I asked when he was born was if he was alive they say no he's dead you know one of the nurses asked me if I wanted to see him but I knew he was just a mass of tumours with his heart outside his body the only thing the whole thing tucked his feet so you asked her to cover the rest of him with a blanket so I could said goodbye to his fear. And then they took him away even though you had a. Survey showed that 70 percent of the population wants a change in the law but religious groups and many people on the political right disagree they say that abortion shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances once in your quote Ignacio Gonzalez. The archbishop or someone either and he's been debating the issue on behalf of the Catholic Church in Chile's house of Senate bill some of. The 11 we think that trying to change the law is their words so Lucy impossible it is going to create a culture where more and more people are against a life. And what is really important for us in the church that is going to end the life of a human being which has already been conceived We also think that despite what the government people who support the new low say this makes it easier for and you want to have an abortion in Chile really got a list of circumstances because our Constitution is very clearly that any form of life should be protected even if it is still waiting to be born of the here and the jealousy the. Cloudy ideal is his head Amelius an organization that fights for sexual and reproductive rights she helps people like powder through their pregnancies and want to see you know I'm a NASA able to see on it. We have had threats and accusations made against us by people who don't agree with our point of view sometimes they say that we keep pieces in our office reach to traffic them they call us murderers and they have even he task when we were in Parliament there is have permanently hostile attitude towards us from these people and we're always under threat but as soon I'm going to be at the end of innocent men and not cloud in paradise a change in the law will close a painful chapter during which women's rights have been ignored they say this is important for them as it was for women in Chile when they won the right to vote that many in the Catholic Church and on the political right will do everything they can to stop the law going through and reporting from Chile that was during chambers . Reports from South Africa say the. The government there is still considering whether to grant diplomatic immunity to the 1st lady of Zimbabwe Grace Mugabi who is accused of assaulting a model in a Johannesburg hotel These are Africans have taken steps to ensure that she doesn't flee the country while they're thinking about it monthly Makhanya is editor in chief of the City Press in South Africa sun sounds like the government is finding this a genuinely difficult decision. Like Ivan is in a very very very deep deep conundrum a comment. Obviously you know the relationship between South Africa. Because look at bases in the statement of the region and the seasons that was the big boss even during Monday last time the only same sentence if you were to Mandela so this I'm going to be very careful not to raffle his feathers too much and made remember even during the time of the conflict in Zimbabwe. That democracy sort of very carefully. But this is the most direct threat to their lives. Because what is the president's lack of I think many people would have assumed she just got her immunity and it would all be hushed up so why isn't that happening now because she came to a full on a personal visit it was not there's nothing to do with any official visit and because this accident government did not recognize her being around here she came to check up on sons so they could not automatically you know it had to be he approved and now they're trying to bring something around the fact that there's a. Community of southern Africa and that's what they're trying to do now and but it probably is not going to work because it's wrong legal system in South Africa there's a constitution of the Constitution say everybody is equal before the law you must protect the rights of your citizens and what it did was a pure criminal act. I think to do with it I think politics so this I think government is trying to find a way right now to get around that we should say allegedly did and it would have to wait for a trial to see what actually happened but where is public opinion on this see has a very negative case in South Africa so across the board black and white in South Africa everybody feels that she should be tried for a court of law and she should not be given special treatment and even the Police Minister once he actually appeared before the police before any decision that on to be needs can be negotiated the people have to make that decision right now is the president the foreign minister and obviously they have got political and diplomatic considerations to take into account just in a word will she get me to say or not I believe she will get immunity and I believe that it or. She will get. She will get spirited out of having like I wish it was. Where we are that's a protection of I'm only McCann You know he's the editor in chief of the City Press in South Africa that system still been punctured by they South African authorities but he thinks he knows which way it's going because keep a close eye on that news a highly controversial issue and conundrum as he said for the South African authorities you're listening to news out on the World Service of the b.b.c. . Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service News Hour in the us is made possible by American Public Media with support from Dana Farber Cancer Institute working to unleash the immune system's power to fight cancer and develop promising new therapies videos white papers and patient stories are available at Discover care believe dot org. This is 89.3 p.c.c. News Steve Bannon president trumps chief strategist is leaving the White House the former leader of conservative Breitbart News was the man behind many of Trump's most controversial efforts including his travel ban a decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord Meanwhile actor Kal Kal Penn and artist Chuck Close and virtually the entire membership of the president's committee on the arts and humanities have announced their resignations committee members cited what they call the false equivalence of President Tom's comments about last weekend's unite the right Rally in Charlottesville the California Department of Justice has published its 1st ever report on police shootings and other uses of force more than half the cases $400.00 to be exact happened right here in Southern California and one group is being disproportionately affected k.p.c. Sees Aaron Mendelson has more about 20 percent of people police used force on were black the California population is only 6 percent black one k.p.c. Looked at officer involved shootings in l.a. County and 2015 we found a similar disparity law enforcement agencies had never been required to report this data before 2016 and all of this is helpful to increase a dialogue with our communities to help you know law enforcement involved and also provide context to the discussion that's Cardenas police chief at one moment drama Madrone aside agencies need to figure out why these disparities are happening with the data doesn't show the specific details behind each shooting. It's all bird's eye view I'm Aaron Mendelson the jobless rate in l.a. County went up a tick last month the Employment Development Department posted the rate today at 4 and a half percent in July compared to 4.4 percent in June However it's well below the 5.2 percent a year earlier in the o.c. 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Being called The Great American eclipse the moment on Monday when the sun moon and Earth become perfectly aligned costing millions of people from the Pacific all the way to the Atlantic into temporary darkness of Obama strong of a glimpse this a spectacle is pretty much a mobile to the office he's been chasing solar eclipses around the world since 1970 s. And 33 of them Hi I'm Glenn Schneider and I'm a number of file number file is somebody who's addicted to the glory and majesty of total solar eclipses and will go anywhere any time to get in the moon shadow It's an incredible feeling to be at the nexus of the sun moon and Earth and see celestial mechanics working my 1st total solar eclipse was in 1970 and I was completely unprepared for it it just changed my life I stood there like a deer in the headlights staring up at the eclipse Sun I was a teenager 14 years old and I had read everything that I possibly could about total solar eclipse Isn't that one in particular I had practiced in rehearsed for months and months on end for every of the 2nd of the 2 minutes and 54 seconds of totality I would see what I would use with cameras and telescopes and binoculars and then standing there in the East Carolina University football stadium which is the venue for observing it watching the moon shadow traverse over the earth covering us in darkness in the sun winking out I was transfixed and I was just stupefied and could not move and it was a life changing event I was literally frozen in place and it took somebody to shake me out of that stupor after totality every eclipse is unique the geometry is different the positions and locations and sizes of the sun and moon in the sky the atmospheric conditions the weather conditions the local conditions every eclipse is my favorite eclipse as it's occurring it's always number one I don't rank favorites every eclipse is unique and different and spectacular in October 1906 there was a total solar. It's actually a hybrid eclipse partially annular partially total that results when the moon is at a critical distance from the earth so that it Shadow just comes to a nearly geometrical point on the surface of the earth as a result the shadow was incredibly narrow and it was moving incredibly fast because the altitude of the sun was low and moon was low on the horizon the only way to see it was with an aircraft and the only aircraft that could see it actually we had to take out of Iceland and chase it out over the Greenland straits and hit this one kilometer wide shadow moving at 6000 kilometers an hour and get right through the center of it and this was before the days of g.p.s. So it was the most difficult to do and we managed to catch an unbelievable sight normally with a total solar eclipse you can see the sun's outer atmosphere it's beautiful tenuous Corona here we saw a complete ring of what's called the chromosphere a red ring of light really close to the edge of the Sun I think a perfect eclipse for me would be shot as shared event with friends family the location your home to make it easy to get to and in fact that's not dislike the one that's coming up soon and aficionados of Eclipse There's a glimpse night of that is going to be full coverage of the one on Monday on the b.b.c. World Service doing extended edition of programming new McGovern's golems and Joseph to cover it all so that's all happening next month. You're listening to News and we're going back to the White House chief strategist Steve Bannon that has just become the latest top aide of President Trump to leave his post his exit follows a review of his position by White House chief of staff John Kelly in a rare public appearance he made a major Republican conference in Maryland this February he appealed to the audience to unite behind the president and said the president's main priority was to deliver on his campaign promises right now is he laid out in the gender with those speeches for the promises he made and our job every day is just to execute on that is to simply get a path to how those get executed and he's maniacally focused on that I think that's where the powers of the transition where many many people try to come in and try to convince President Trump hey you won on this but this is what you want to do and he's like No I promise the market people this and this is the plan we're going to execute well Benjamin Hardwell is director of the human dignity Institute in Italy and I know Steve Benen Well actually Steve Bannon described him as the smartest guy in Rome so I asked him Has he been communicating with Steve balance through the course of this rather drawn out departure when i certainly been in touch with him I've not spoken consecutive days but I'm going to with him by humanity in his office today Yeah right so so what's going on it's a good question and no one seems to have an obvious answer as to why the president would have done this at this moment in time when all the pressure all the opposition that surrounding the administration is it feeds it ph this move does seem to be a torpedo directly. One segment of his electorate that at the May and loyal to him he space so there is a suggestion that there's a basic clash of egos President Trump didn't like the idea that Steve Bannon maybe rather enjoyed being seen as the great manipulator. Sure I mean but then making. After the article and the front page of Time magazine that portrayed Steve in that fashion they get a few months later Richard Kirsch exactly the same sort of story so it's a turf favorite tropes of the media to suggest that President Trump isn't in charge of his own agenda and he simply. So obviously it didn't go down too well but but this wasn't exceptional to Steve Ballmer of the it was not just a media thing is that a man maybe reflects reality to Steve Bannon think that he was very influential I would say that there are a lot of people involved with that campaign that can think of themselves lightly as being links in a chain with that that victory wouldn't have been possible and I think Steve Bannon entirely legitimately and correctly can think of himself as being one of those links yeah what about the idea that the clash really is with Trump some enormous to cushion or and that the globalists have won out over the nationalists well. Funnily enough. Steve's a previous as up but one. Is the campaign manager was also our state because of his is confrontations with had Mr Kushner. It's something it's a recurring motif you think there is something in that yes but I don't think it was the I didn't Disick I think that this was instrumental in law and our ski leaving the team I don't think on this occasion it was instrumental factor you don't Ok and just how it is the suit says you're in is amazing position of having access to what's going on inside the system as it were I mean and you want to give away confidences obviously but can you summarize for us the general tone of the communications you've been having with Biden and his people over the last few weeks I mean angry despairing frustrated. Relaxed Well how would you how would you describe the last. Time that I would say Steve it sounded a little bit stressed it would have been a few months ago right now until this period I think he's being relaxed I'm very secure of his own future and that doesn't necessarily mean his future within the administration it means his future whatever he's going to do what is he going to do. Well wait and see are. There was give us a clue. Should I ask whether this is on the record saying. You know all your life. Being the downfall of a number of. I think when I went it's not exactly that that secret of Fatima to suggest that Steve will be returning. Right so you would think that he will go back to Breitbart and sort of make his views clear but he will be in a difficult place next you know he said he wants to remain loyal to the president are probably does want to remain Lord your president and yet he's got these very strong opinions and the wise ones made a longer go along with those were the his approach so was he going to do that well and that's really a fantastic question and I wish the media had been slightly more or less the subtlety of the difference. And. The last 8 months the position applying and I know. The position of black but is that they are loyal to the consequence on which from when the nomination and when the election that is their loyalty their loyalty to Donald Trump goes as far as he's loyal to those Clinton Steve pan and once he joins that it ministration His will He was actively to the president now that he's back excuse me going to back slightly should he go back to black box he will go back to someone who will be the undisputed champion of those principles because it does appear that he was ousted on the basis of his constant if you will with the globalists within the administration that John Kelly had been a Pal unit you know the names and it was eventually a war that he lost if he goes back to black but he will be the most important voice in the United States championing those principles and that was Benjamin Hardwell from the human dignity Institute in Italy a friend of Steve Bannon. It's 80 years and Stalin's Great Terror reached a peak in the Soviet Union hundreds of thousands of people were executed as counter-revolutionaries later this year Russia's 1st ever national monument to the victims will be unveiled the Stalin is increasingly hailed in Russia as the great wall leader Sarah Rainsford reports. Not. Yet spent 6 years in a Stalinist labor camp for telling a joke I knew the dirt sounds ridiculous now before my teacher tells me but in 1051 she was labeled an enemy of the people and sense to Siberia. Is now almost $98.00 she walks slowly out to meet me in her yard leaning on a stick but this woman was once forced to lay railway sleepers made of cement in temperatures that plunged to minus 56 degrees Celsius that of Valley. Was exhausted and. For me the hardest part was chopping good I was a seed to go and I wasn't very good at it so my food ration got to 300 grams that's nothing at the. Psychological it tough too many people went out of their minds they couldn't cope. But. Now Russia is preparing to pay its respects a huge boom sculpture is being winched into place beside Moscow's central Ringrose eventually it will form the 1st ever national memorial here for the millions of Soviet citizens arrested imprisoned and executed during Stalin's brutal month power knowledge room just to keep its cool the ball of grief and it's made up of jagged forms with no face that said the process from here at the new field test is friendly on and he tells me it will curve like a Giants life when it's complete a reminder of a repressive machine that moved down innocent victims if a couple of for sure yes far more felt it was a catastrophe when the universal scale one of the greatest human Atrocitus it was impossible for me not to be affected by that so this work is an expression of feelings of fear and alarm it depicts the lives that risk reached out ruthlessly Well that's a stat and you know. Over the years Soviet propaganda picture of Stalin at the time . But in modern day Russia something to gloss over that history Stalin was once they are fired by Soviet propaganda now Putin has won that Russia's enemies demonizing Stalin excessively as a form of a time he is increasingly remembered as the man who led Soviet troops to victory over the not sits and regularly tops opinion polls here as an outstanding historical figure. Thank God but you don't have to go to Siberia to see the suffering that Stalin cools down costs for the water along. With his car or I meant to me to cut cedar bitch on the banks of the Moscow canal a giant waterway it feeds Russia's capital with water from the Boulder river. But it was built at the height of Stalin's rule using forced labor including political prisoners the gulag was right in the heart of Moscow Dimitri police few Russians know that and even fewer cash cow tough winnings their 2nd part of the war is the strongest and Alhaji call it a day in Russia right now and it's very hard for many people to think about these and I'm about to go to and let's say inappropriate it's a style and. At the same time saw the like as being ignored. Because history will be harder soon in human moralists huge and its creative believes that when children pass it if you ask questions or your diet coke you models they'll always be some who don't want to admit what happened but I hope they'll be fewer things to this memorial I hope will gradually stop trying to find the positive in what happened brutality the imagination of innocent people can never be justified I mean look on your show me how can I get a goal of a survivor that brutality but a huge cost she tells me her youth was stolen in the gulag she was 8 months pregnant when she was arrested and she lost her baby after that she says life became pointless Yeah raising your regime so the memorial is long overdue recognition of the horror of millions i.e. a Larger less chaotic shelling is nightly what happened needs to be exposed so that it's never pitted they say things go in spirals but that was a black spiral it was a frightening time that God forbid it should be repeated and unfortunately there are still supporters of that system that I need yet. Yeah not hard to find as I leave yet in the sunshine on had bench another woman calls out to me she'd been watching as we talked was she criticizing Russia she demands tonight pointing to Viagra she'd better not the woman wants I would give her what full and seconds Sarah Rainsford with reports on the attitudes towards Stalin in Russia you're listening to the words of the b.b.c. If you vote in late or ever want to get an edition of news on that you've missed to get a podcast twice a day every day of the year goes up after the live dish and the program is going to it's of getting up in just a few moments and then you can make sure that you know you're up to date some that if you that once you get a very comprehensive account with all our correspondents around the world of what's going on it'll be there for you that's the b.b.c. News out Paul caused the. Distribution of the b.b.c. 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I'm reminded of our main news just now one of President Trump's kid visors the controversial White House chief strategist Steve Bannon has been fired across the state sell as The Washington Post told us that about the influence he had on the trumpet ministration that it was enormously influential when he came to join Trump in 2016 and brought a campaign that was struggling into some old it with his fiery populist rhetoric and he's following on news daily when Trump tilted ministration and brought him down and immediately as a chief strategist the fast things we noticed coming out from the White House were executive orders that seemed to have been stamped on the headlines police in the Spanish region of Catalonia say the jihadists who killed 14 people into vehicle attacks had been planning a much bigger atrocity involving explosives and the pro-government constituent assembly in Venezuela says its assuming the power to pass laws in effect replacing the opposition controlled parliament. The trumpet ministration has increased the workload of the American Civil Liberties Union but it's increased its income so while it's had to devote resources to fighting things like the travel ban it's also raised $83000000.00 since the election and that would be compared to what they'd have expected around $5000000.00 But the current fee brawl atmosphere in the u.s. Is also giving the organization some dilemma's should it defend the freedom of speech of new Nazis not by instinct the a.c.l.u. Would want to do that but some of its supporters object and some You'll walk is a former a.c.l.u. Board member and author of In Defense of American Civil Liberties a history of the a.c.l.u. So he's got one view and. He's writer editor and journalist based in Los Angeles who's written an article and your view why is the a.c.l.u. Defending Nazis in the all right well tough beheld ways 1st of all what's the a.c.l.u. Doing wrong. The a.c.l.u. Is allocating resources to protect right wing hate groups that it could be allocating Tor marginalized groups well not real groups in the u.s. Who have had their right to speech historically and also contemporarily threatened so you know saying that it's wrong to protect the speech of their Nazis but that resources should be spent elsewhere I think as a non government entity that exists to fill holes in the justice system to bridge deficiencies in the justice system a.c.l.u. Should be using the resources that it collected during the election people actually needed it historically white nationalist groups different kinds of right wing groups have not only had their use protected but in fact upheld and systemically codified in our laws prudent actually needs protection in this country are Muslim communities who feel afraid to express their beliefs in public because of interest on the atmosphere immigrants who are facing an increasingly xenophobe it political atmosphere so this summer Walker you used to be on the a.c.l.u. Bold and no doubt faced dilemma's like this in the past what you think of while saying this is basically a results issue new resources going in the wrong place while she's ignoring so much of what the a.c.l.u. Does it's put tremendous resources in into defending the rights of people of color communities of color for example the president trumps immigration policy the a.c.l.u. Was there that Saturday at the airports they got an immediate injunction in terms of fighting police misconduct the a.c.l.u. Has done you know tremendous work you know really saying that the a.c.l.u. Has results is to do both Yes So how is what's wrong with them I don't think I'm ignoring that history exactly I think that the a.c.l.u. Benefited greatly from the election of Donald Trump that they kind of position themselves as a champion of progressive causes for. Progressive people and that people donated outrageous amounts but imo show the position of some a look at did the a.c.l.u. Position itself as a sort of liberal organization or was it perceived as such Well I think it's perceived as such the a.c.l.u. Has its traditional agenda which goes back to 920 of 1st Amendment rights for all groups regard less of the content of their speech and that's been a very important principle that goes back to defending the Nazis in the 1930 s. Then again a famous episode in the 1970 s. Because the lesson is very clear that if if you compromise on your 1st Amendment positions saying well we defend some people but not others you open the door for a real 1st amendment disaster right so to speak can you address that argument directly that it is actually important to protect the rights of very sort of unpopular fringe groups because it establishes the principle absolutely I mean I'm not saying that they should not have those rights that they should not be able to but there's a power dynamic that exists between those groups and other kinds of marginalized groups they're already protected in many different kinds of ways it's marginalized groups that are suffering the most and that they're not needy for the a.c.l.u. Use help or resources Ok listen to us that point what was the a.c.l.u. Doing what service Did it provide to protect the rights of these new Nazis in Charlottesville Virginia there was an injunction against the March and the a.c.l.u. Took that to court and won and so the margin occurred downtown and that was a very important victory the real problem was a failure of the law enforcement agency so you did not the police and let me know if you're point is that there was a need felt by the neo nazis because they had this injunction sometimes been who is the you know it's not like they were all powerful doing whatever they wanted they faced an injunction I don't think even tension would have stopped them given that they had arrived to the protests many of them paramilitary many of them armed. It was pretty clear not just from the moment of arrival but also in their planning that they were not there necessarily just to peacefully protest but that they were there with the clear intent to incite violence right so not is and sort of will can let me put it to you that that is. Exactly what the a.c.l.u. Says it will support people's free speech up until the moment they're inciting violence and if you if you turn up with as many weapons as those near Nazis did that is pretty close to inciting violence as well wait a minute there you you you have you slid over an important issue here because it's not just up to the point of actual violence if a group says we are going to hold a demonstration downtown in whatever city and our goal is to disrupt and to to engage in property destruction that can be stopped in advance that's not protected by the 1st Amendment but if it were it would when you saw them turn up with the guns do you think we shouldn't really have facilis I said that not me the problem is is that we have so many states where you can it is legal now to carry guns in public and so the new Nazis who showed up with guns were in fact complying with the laws of the state of Virginia that's right it just. So you know but I think also the language that they use to talk about marginalized groups talk about vulnerable groups indicates already they intend to violence maybe not explicit violence but when they talk about the elimination of immigrant groups when they talk about the eradication of Muslim groups in this country you have to wonder what do they mean by that which is how else would they remove those groups especially when you consider that many of them have American citizenship while you're reading some things into that that whole episode the work there there was an injunction against the neo Nazi March the city did not enter any evidence you know citing clear intent to commit violence that as we know they often fails in its language and in definitions to taken our real world circumstances. Take a more pragmatic luck which causes it supports the pragmatic approach is to defend the absolute right of people to protest without committing violence because you can take your words and the 1st group that would be shut down in this country would be . Because there are already people who oppose them who say. It's a racist group. Shut down the most important. Group Against Police Brutality. And journalist and they bring us to an end of this edition of News thanks very much for the. Music. Through the 17. And. Take it. Easy. Dreaming of becoming a big musician he didn't quite succeed but this is his new movie. The New Jersey sensation Patti Friday at 330 and 7 pm. 3. Service of City College. Of the top 10 community colleges in the United States. Than a. Is out today on the world. On Marco Werman Steve Bannon is out as White House chief strategist but what about