Enter this is b.s. And 06 AC lawyer and k.q. Vo Calexico. We're celebrating 500 additions of travel with Rick Steves today and you're invited to join in the fun will sample highlights from a few of our favorite guests over the years yeah there are plenty of times I stop because I see something but I most often stop because I hear something 1st we'll also get pointers for enjoying a stylish night out in London one that doesn't have to break the bank fashion critic James Sherwood says you can't go wrong if you start out by dressing like the fancy bankers when they head out of the office and they almost to a man with Savile Row suits with one button with a white hope the next I'm very very good shoes that will probably take you anywhere for a chat and enjoy the pop music of Germany from Sarah p. Beer hall tunes to intense rock bands who turned electronica into a signature sound of their own they do things like flutes with synthesizer electronics in 2000 and then they just used to build everything selves it'll be fun come along it's travel with Rick Steves. Live from n.p.r. 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Around here John Barr of Ocean Springs Mississippi is helping his neighbor clear a tree toppled by the storm it just missed the South said low man down in the yard us about it local workers spent Sunday clearing debris from roadways so that power crews could make repairs and business could resume Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant says the state was fortunate not to have any loss of life he credits preparations made in advance of the storm including curfews and evacuations Debbie Elliott n.p.r. News. Harvey Weinstein has been fired by the Board of Directors of his company after allegations of sexual harassment reported by The New York Times the board today said he was terminated effective immediately Weinstein had already taken a leave of absence from his company on Friday and a 3rd of the company's board resigned the same day u.s. Futures contracts are trading slightly positive Dow futures contract up a fraction this is n.p.r. News. 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When you're ready to splurge on an elegant night on the town what better place to find yourself then London Hi I'm Rick Steves in just a bit the author of James Sherwood's discriminating guide to London suggests just the right kinds of venues for you to grab a drink or dinner and look like a 1000000 without going broke and we'll add a German soundtrack as we hear how pop music expressed the aspirations and struggles of Germany both during and after the Cold War That's all coming up in the hour ahead this is that facade number 500 travel with Rick Steves Can you believe it let's take a few minutes to remember a handful of our favorite fellow travelers some of them are household names a couple are even Royal and many of them you probably encountered for the 1st time on this show in all cases their remarkable travelers and they've taught us a lot about the world over the last 12 years on our show back when we put our 1st show together 2005 the top things on the minds of our listeners who are safety concerns and coping with the weak u.s. Dollar exchange rate our very 1st show featured bike travel enthusiast Willie where who explained why worries over safety were keeping many Americans from seeing the world of crime stats have gone down the only thing that points to is the fact that they're told to be afraid and if you're told to be afraid by enough people often enough you are and I always tell people you know if you want to live your life in fear spend an hour or 2 in for the television set and make sure your you know read the newspaper from cover to cover every single day and if you want to think this world's a pretty amazing place go travel around it or get on a bicycle and do it. It was a real eye opener in 2008 to spend an hour with Jon Lord altered eyes from Belfast he was one of the key players in negotiating an end to North Ireland's long standing troubles between its Catholic and Protestant factions Lord older guys shared his perspectives on how you start peace talks between adversaries if you own allies things are. Terms of political positions or moralistic terms then you will get people divided Let's talk about people as people and that's a very different way of viewing it security measures on there will never solve the problem these are problems of relationships they are political problems and the only way they're going to be resolved in the end is by people sitting down and talking with each other and think about those not as some Illian group but as human beings as people with the same feelings and fears and thoughts inhibitions as you politics is not about high we agree with each other politics is about how we disagree without killing each other and that's what European Union. Listening to travel with Rick Steves back when we got to talk to a Scandinavian princess or to an American prince princess Martha Louise of Norway told us about the children's book she took Spain why you don't see royals walking around with heavy gold crowns on their head the status. Quo. Because when I was out doing my official functions around way they were always you know. Pushing their children forward looking the Princess and the children no no that's not the princess so yes yes that's princess and then we got to not wearing a crown and they were really disappointed and all these children were so disappointed all the time I thought Right I have to do something about this to explain why I would doubt crown. Me and that the crown on your head is for show what really matters is that you wear the crown in your heart and so from that they all there Ok well the crown. She said those crowns tended to fall off when you're learning to ski get all scuffed up William loved it is from Boston went to school at Harvard and also just happened to be an heir to a noble family there. Were driven out of Czechoslovakia by the Communists then blame was invited back to Prague in 1900 to reclaim and organize his family's treasures they were scattered around hundreds of locations and the Czech government wanted him to put them on display for the public he told us what he found 'd there paintings furniture everything you can imagine decorative arts as well as a huge family library there are millions of pieces of paper autograph scores of Beethoven and of Mozart letters from Rudolph the 2nd of them the Emperor to our family raising us to princes and all sorts of you know really interesting things and that's what makes our collection so so important because there are a holistic collection there still intact and that's quite unusual because it was so much damage in World War 2 or after and things that were lost and I think that's what makes our our job so important to put them in that context of not just this family but also the history and the patronage there. We're looking back and just a few of our favorite guest interviews from the past 500 episodes of travel with Rick Steves us. The 1st tour guide to really show me around Turkey was Melaka. She was an expert on the amazing Roman ruins of the f.s.s. Millie learned to develop a tough skin in order to survive as a modern independent businesswoman in a society where that wasn't always easy once I asked Melanie why Turkey has a law that makes it illegal to bad mouth the founder of the modern Turkish Republic chemical additives I'll never forget the response yes you're right we cannot by law read To Kill or be linked to a terror we love him respect him so much that we don't want to be harassed by that and you know what's so interesting to me is much as that seems hard to just accept as a modern free person that somebody says you can't insult somebody I think. That Turks go with that I mean it's not a real problem because when you really know Ataturk you've got to realize he is one of the super statesman of the 20th century in the whole world he is a super statesman that's why we call him the father of the Turks a Turk means father of the Turks and we who love democracy who love freedom of speech really do not mind if we banned from saying bad things to attack how would you say something good about Ataturk in Turkish what's a good phrase about that a turkey chokes aviator What does that mean I'd love that to say that again in turkish a to check save your beautiful. I'm sorry to report that Mellie passed away earlier this year Anatolian the land of mothers has lost one of its finest but Melisa Spirit will certainly live on in the many travelers that she inspired as she shepherded them around her beloved Turkey. Digging into the nuances of a culture is one of my favorite things about travel with Rick Steves when American travelers go to Ireland they have a lot of fun looking for fairies and leprechauns So I asked my Irish friend Barry Maloney from County Cork what the Irish really think of all this supposedly what he meant to talk about or mentioned about a drawing amount to us not just between you and me will between our listening between you and me the reality of the main description in all our folklore number one do not small and with wings hiding under mushrooms things like that they're actually more human size and they bring bad luck to people for example they can steal your children away and replace your children with fairy children. Which are old decrepit fairies in the form of a baby looking like your baby so you wouldn't even know but then your child is possessed by this fairy exactly the stolen child that's serious business theories because there's no doubt if you ask say a 100 hours People 100 of them will say they don't believe in fairies but subconsciously we do in other words put them to the test and put them out in a place where you say is associate with fairies and leave them there at midnight and they won't stay very long we reckon in Ireland there's only so much good luck in your life and why complicate things why take a risk. It's travel with Rick Steves episode number 500 so we're taking a few moments with you to remember the kinds of conversations we've enjoyed over the years on the show. Actor and writer mater Jaffer is sometimes referred to as the Julia Child of Indian cuisine Jaffrey grew up in New Delhi when India was still ruled by the British Raj she's helped the English develop a deeper love for Indian food beyond the corner Curry stand she writes about her childhood in her memoir climbing the mango tree and described it so well for us you could almost taste so we had all these lovely mango trees in our orchard and the thing was to get them when they would roll in when their role is sour wonderfully sour all my cousins and I we would all climb these mango trees and we'd be on the branches like the buds without Ben Knight and then the eldest would dig down a big mangle a green mango and he would be late and give us a little slices and the old cat it up with us salt Bappa it had a little roasted cumin in it a little chili powder and then we would dip the sour mangle in that crunchy mango and then eat it was so delicious and it was really a sign of growing up. When travelling in France we've learned it's crucial to make an attempt to speak a little of the language you want to be poor. In fact authors Julie Barlow and John been wanted all discovered that a simple own rule is the key to unlocking almost every social interaction the 1st thing that travelers stumble on is there an awareness of the importance of saying Bogle You have to say it all the time we say that if you say volatile and you think you're saying it way too much you're probably just getting it just right when you take the bus you have to say it when you buy a newspaper at the newsstand or a magazine you have to say both will so that you acknowledge that to enter their space they're interesting Yes not really a word it's a signal you send to tell them that you're ready to start communicating and if you don't send a signal they don't communicate at actually won't even take your money oh so it's like turn on the receiver prepare for transmission Exactly and if you're getting on a bus it means you're entering somebodies territory I'm here you have to save all joy if you expect civility and good treatment or if you're in a store and you want to be served the person behind the counter will not do it until you say bottle and you've begun the the interaction would have attacked or darker you're doing something that at midnight though the news had most walk back here in America historian David McCullough told us how he loves to see the famous places from history in person to imagine what happened there and to meet the people who live there now I've loved travelling ever since I was a child not that I went very far but a few trips I did take just changed my life I was thrilled by them I went to a model cello for example as a young high school student and I went to am Spurgeon Gettysburg and I have no doubt whatsoever that those experiences increased my love of history my curiosity about history because somehow when you're at the place where somebody really happened is not just some dry textbook rendition of something here have to know for a test and you get a feeling of the human beings that were there what always strikes me is that everything is big. Or than I expected and I think one of the things you have to do is talk to people when you get there and talk to all kinds of people that's the mark of a good traveller how you can actually look at the larger people and be patient and don't be in a hurry Oh time that was just a taste of 500 hours of travel with Rick Steves and let's hear it for 500 more you can look for your favorite guest interviews one every alike they're all in the radio section of our website at Rick Steves dot com Next we'll go from memory lane to Savile Row and St James Place for time tested tips for a fun night out in London James share with joins us to take your calls at 877333 Rick p.b.s. 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Like all popular destinations London is home to 2 parallel worlds one touristy and one where the real local action takes place James Sherwood has compiled the with discriminating guide to London order to bridge the gap between newcomers and longtime Londoners in it he reviews their traditional favorite places to eat drink dress shop stay and to be seen it harkens back to the world of gentle men and gentle lady and explains how the best of 19th century traditions still carry on in today's modern cosmopolitan city James joins us from the b.b.c. Studios in London right now on travel with Rick Steves for his tailor made advice for enjoying a posh night out in London he'll take your calls in just a bit 877-333-7425. James you've written a fascinating book that helps any traveler London understand that parallel world that so many of us are almost blind to how did you get interested in and how did you learn so much about this upper echelon in London Society been in London for 25 years when it when I 1st arrived was 5 years old my parents took me to see trooping the color so I saw the queen and saw the crown jewels in the Tower of London and decided then and there that I would migrate from the frozen north and become a Londoner I think after 25 years you are classified as longer in how much change have you seen in 25 years from this elegance that originally attracted you to this great city I'm quite reassured that London because it has the listing system the great one great too for architecture for important buildings that they're very much for in fenced and protected so there's this little change there but that said there is an enormous amount of building work at the moment I mean I've calculated that are probably more square miles of development now than the with. Have been after the blitz when the Germans bombed as in really is an interesting time for London I want to go out on a unforgettable for the rest of my life night on the town in London 1st of all I got to dress right in we've got plenty of money take me out shopping I think the 1st point is that you don't need to wear a tie necessarily just look at the hedge fund boys I mean these are the people who really have the money rather than the out of stock Crecy in the u.k. And they almost to a man wear Savile Row custom you call it bespoke suits with one button from Savile Row with a white open neck shirt and very very good shoes from la but possibly. That will probably take you anywhere for a chap Well that's good to know and how would a chap get to the theatre or the concert or the dinner would they drive or would they have a driver and not take a taxi but people do have drivers in London but it's a bit ridiculous to be honest you actually can't drive around London anymore there are too many restrictions the bikes now the bicycles become like a swarm of mosquitoes So you held up for you probably wouldn't make the curtain at the Royal Opera House or if you had to drive you'd end up having to get out and walk anyway so if I was a lady I would probably take 2 inches off the here long walk it. Ok and would today we're going have a dinner and would you know we have a dinner and then a musical event or theatre what would you do personally like I'd like to eat after the theatre this depends whether you're at the opera house watching Wagner which point you're not going to get action to level the clock when you're going to be exhausted but I would like to go for a cocktail 1st I would probably go to do you expect are just often James's Street Deeks hotel this is where inflaming the James Bond author ordered his bulk a martini shaken to me no this is absolutely true because it's in Fleming's memoirs and they still say that such a thing called the Vesper Martini is very old fashioned in the nicest possible way there is no music you cannot stand up you have to be seated which I find absolutely delightful and you are served so there's no belly. Up to the bar and they will not serve more than 2 martinis any well or suggest you move on to champagne origin and tonic because they're lethal and that for me is a barman like other Sandro looking after his customers and making sure that everybody's having an elegant time so it doesn't get rowdy it doesn't get noisy you know I don't like pop music I prefer conversation with the person that I'm with and then where would we do I'd get to the theatre or I would go to a concert I might go to the week the Wigmore Hall is extraordinary a big no street I mean for classical music it's 2nd to none for recitals the Royal Opera House I really wouldn't leave London without seeing at least one performance if you possibly can it doesn't matter if it's in the called sometimes it's better particularly with the ballet because if you see the formations from the gods I sometimes think that's that's preferable to sitting in the stalls and being hit with sort of sweat from a dozen ballerina. Ok so we like a high up so we can see the formations Yes that's a good idea how would you survey what's available what your information source when you're choosing some entertainment for the evening I'd look at the newspapers and I look at the reviews I'd probably go to the telegraph row go to the times and I would trust their reviewers to tell you the best performances musicals are entirely subjective you know it depends on the genre of the music of whether you love the composer or you know whether you want something energetic or poppy or you do something like a jukebox musical which I don't particularly enjoy but you also have the straight plays you know Shakespeare's Globe is probably the most magnificent Theatre in London it's I mean it's in the representation of Shakespeare's Globe on the south bank and you really feel as though you're in the later Lizabeth an era this is travel with Rick Steves We're talking with change here with his book is The discriminating guide to London and unabashed companion to the very finest experiences in the world's most cosmopolitan city and James you have a wonderful knack of collecting restaurants and then grouping them in different categories and you have all these different categories you're go. In that with me so what category would you would you look to for a restaurant machine Yeah I would probably think if I was coming to an intern inheritance and then you could pay I think that is the idea you've got where to eat when you're coming into an inheritance or where to eat with amorous intent where to eat in the company of beautiful people where to eat with your godchildren Porton client with your God Ok I'll be when you've come into an inheritance so where are we going to go I'd probably go to Wilton's for dinner actually rather than for the Sat lunch I would spoil myself Wilton's on German street it's an ancient restaurant it was an oyster bar really in the 18th century was most it was noised a shack more than anything else but now it's probably one of the most discreetly small restaurants in London it's one of the very few places that the queen and the Duke of Edinburgh dine private and they very very rarely do I think the last restaurant was Bellamy's which is just one bridge in place of Bruton Street in Mayfair Wilton's Ok so we're going to get this far and then we'll go to Wilton's after player concert very nice and what would we eat I mean just describe just for a moment our meal both for Wilton's it's led really by seafood and by game and it's very old Edwardian in a way so do so many air would be a very popular dish a lobster on let something something quite liked as well because I think after a theatre you really don't want to eat an awful lot I think you'd like a glass of champagne certainly and you probably like half a dozen or a dozen oysters but I think keeping it light and keeping it simple in the food here is not sort of French cuisine anymore which is certainly was you know 2030 years ago in London cruising was very fast see there were far too many courses you'd probably be feel slightly queasy when you'd finished and I think people have moved on now on want much purer of food simplify but still with the best possible ingredients sounds really delightful and in your book you warn us that London has its own. Islander and Clack we have to be careful about the temple and the City what do you mean exactly by this warning it isn't 24 hours London and if you wish to pursue a 24 hour city the way that you would in Tokyo you'll be very disappointed because she really are sharing the streets with quite dodgy characters and the certainly are 24 hour restaurants like I'm trying to think of the the most civilized one is dot com waffle which is on top of a glass skyscraper in the city that is open 24 hours a day you do find City boys there. I'd rather be you know on the 55th floor than being on on the streets in London at 34 o'clock in the morning it's not that it's dangerous just that there's nothing happening it's a ghost town our guide on travel with Rick Steves to the finer aspects of London nightlife is the author James Sherwood's discriminating. Unabashed companion to their very finest experiences in the world's most cosmopolitan city dames has also written Saville Row that famous street of London master tailors passionate Royal Ascot and a guide for the perfect jam he's published by Thames and that's the. Thames coming in from Atlantic Beach in Florida Pam thanks for your call Thank you have a comment for James Yes I just wanted to let you know that I was in London last year and I ate at the rolls restaurant and I found it yes not only very elegant when you walked in it was very very beautiful the service was impeccable and also you got really really authentic British food the service was wonderful I actually went there prior to going to the theater and really enjoyed I would read highly recommend that restaurant I'm so pleased to hear that so this is this is rules are you that classic restaurant and James is just a big fan of rules what is your experience with rules teams and what would pan mean by authentic British cuisine or English because in. Well it's certainly the oldest restaurant in London for a start so you would have characters like Dickens and Cruickshank eating there regularly and you still feel as though you might be sitting at a table next to Charles Dickens it's it's extraordinary it's a level of elegance and excellence I suppose that you would imagine what you would see on Downton Abbey it's been used as a muse and sent for Downton Abbey and as for authentic food it's very meat and game lead it's very sort of beef beef and potatoes the way you would imagine Englishman eating in the 18th century but it's done with a very light touch and an old man out of class rules restaurant on Maiden Lane Pam thanks for your car Thank you I appreciate it take care by now thank you. Underlining Cumberland Maryland Vincent thanks for your car Thank you for taking my call I was planning a week in London for myself and my friends and I've looked at number of restaurants and guidebooks and online I was wondering if you could recommend any restaurant that could be your buyer an easy walking distance to Westminster or tower bridge pier because I was hoping like aside from eating by the river I would love to like take like an evening cruise after finishing the meal so we got Westminster and Tower Bridge to different parts of London but connected by by the boat right James Yeah the very different parts of London actually Westminster is something is that of a desert for restaurants I would go past Westminster and head for the River Cafe You can look that up online the River Cafe I mean it's sort of introduced very simple Italian cuisine gosh it's got to be 20 years ago now it's incredibly famous very popular with famous people as it happens and has an amazing terrace looking out onto the Thames and it faces I think it's the bridge in Hammersmith actually the James you could walk over Tower Bridge into the south bank and find some interesting places couldn't you I think you'll do a spot on there you know you've hit the nail on the head that if you walk over Tower Bridge or into Bermondsey you literally 5 or 10. Minutes away from Baron market and if you like Dickens It really is sort of all of a twist consider yourself barren market is absolutely delightful under some amazing restaurants the best one I think is roast and it's in an old sort of glass conservatory that looks a little bit like the Royal Opera House in fact I think it was from the Royal Opera House originally and that is an absolute winner and in that market it's just a festival of foodie little stands Yes a little trendy high end food stands and you don't think has a high end gourmet food in the open air market but you find it there don't you you do it also might cost you $10.00 pounds for a tomato heritage which is quite funny I don't mind that at all I'm a coronary arts graduate so I want to think up any of time and Byron market Oh no only on my list for a day I'm spending in that part of London you're probably bump into Jamie Oliver or Nigella Lawson or one of those great great cooks Yeah definitely Vince and thanks for your car Thank you very much Ok Take care Happy travels and I this is travel Rick Steves We're talking with James to share with his book is The discriminating guide to London and Michael is calling in from Houston in Texas Michael Devaney I'm traveling in London but yes actually I like a question. To music when I travel but I'd like to change is if you could recommend some places in London to go to listen to music whether British Irish Welsh or Scottish It depends what you like to like to eat where you're listening to music hall or whether you would like to just listen to the music but for me I suppose if you can bear the sort of conscious side of London Camden Town is it for that kind of music but it wouldn't be particularly traditional folk it would probably be folk influenced It's sort of the spiritual home of Amy Winehouse which is proposed to be as far away from focus you can get sort of get reggae blues I suppose a baby Winehouse but that's the sort of spiritual home of the. Younger musicians in bars and pubs and clubs very impromptu and you would find what you're looking for in Camden Town I'm sure that sounds great I love that blues and reggae so fantastic right you know I'm a I'm always impressed by time out in what's on in these magazines you pick up for a girl or 2 their monthly start they James their weekly as your time as weekly in is free now oh it's free so yeah magazine I'm free it's got a world of entertainment everything from you know clubs that are meeting that might match your interests that you could just drop in on to free organ concerts and churches to pubs have music and if you're looking for you know yours Scottish or your Welsh or your Irish It would be described there now should the Irish pubs are probably our best bet as well so flick through time out for that because you know very fine people breaking into song of breaking glass is a refused others have. You know one thing I've found all over Europe is that if you want to find locals having fun go to the Irish pub out and go if you're in France or Italy or Poland if you find an Irish pub you're going to find locals out haven't a wonderful package Oh they'll they'll just Irish pub is on Fleet Street and afaik at the name I'm so sorry but you only have to go down to the bottom of Fleet Street and you'll find it there's a lot of pubs in that area that are actually historic buildings too with architecture and elegant furnishings say I took a pub architecture tour once around Fleet Street and it's amazing all the historic pubs that are tucked away here in there in and around Fleet Street Fleet Street and hi how you've been reading the oldest pubs in London the old chestnut cheesy old you might say they're all the old something the might scare is miniscule and I'm very very hard to find it's just off Hatton Garden the diamond district of London there you see this incredible tree stump a cherry tree stump that sort of built into the wall and allegedly So Christopher Hanson and Queen Elizabeth the 1st danced around it and I believe it's actually I do believe that you know these sort of places the major punch and judy you all Cheshire Cheese there touristy. Now there right in the main drag but they have a real history a real heritage a real respect among local people who know their heritage you also go late if you're going to Heritage pubs like the Cheshire Cheese the tourist would probably have left after 6 pm so you can find it a little bit quieter a little bit fuller of locals probably a lot of the legal profession because you know the Old Bailey is very near there the Inns of Court or very near so you find a very they take on a very different character after dark put it that way James Surewood it's been delayed for talking with you your great book and discriminating guide to London and you know chatting with you about London I feel this love you have for your city let's just finish off with one little moment that that you enjoyed personally in spite of all the many places you have to look at to list in your guide book where you just feel like yeah London is is the place that's right for me well actually the places to go when when you want a certain serenity an awful lot of quieter this a Christopher Wren churches that were built in the city after the Great Fire of London in 666 and you see the most remarkable architecture there's nobody ever in there in the daytime and you're transported back to I mean some some of these churches are not not the wren churches but some of the medieval like some Bartholomew's which is in Clark and well I find the architecture there and the well the hustle and bustle of London to get away from it for at least 5 or 10 minutes to have a tiny bit of peace and quiet is absolutely invaluable plus the parks you know belonged it is a very green city Hyde Park in particular is larger than Monaco apparently you know it's even always find a corner of Hyde Park to yourself you know that is such a nice note to end on because we're talking about how the the skyscrapers are violating the skyline of old London but they don't violate the peace Christopher Wren church earlier the delightful welcome you feel when you just sit on the bench in a London park yes James thanks for joining us and thanks for your book again James sure Woods discriminating guide to London thank you so much and I look. Moca New England. You'll find more in the notes for program number 500 posted to the radio section of Rick Steves dot com this week it includes a link to James Sherwood's blog commentaries letters from Bloomsbury Square where he critiques modern life in London up next a British guide who now makes your home in Berlin shares what she's learned about Germany from its pop music its travel with Rick Steves. It seems like lots of people are squishy you don't know where they stand because they don't know where they stayed a spiteful strange when somebody anybody simply won't bend. On the next step judge a man of steel step judge storytelling with a beat. Not this. Saturday night at 9 Sunday at 7 on k p b s k p.b.s. 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She works as a tour guide Berlin now when she joins us for a look at how you can better understand Germany by listening to its music especially its contemporary pop and rock music from the last 50 years or so Macy how did Germany's pop culture scene differ from the one that American and British artists were setting the scene for back in the 1950 s. And sixty's when I think that actually Germany kind of took its own part post World War 2 in terms of pop it's kind of forced him in a way because when I was really interested in what's going on in Germany on Russian music play off to the wall and I think I really wanted to fire their own path and you had at the beginning he had some which is now kind of looked down on sells a lot but it's not particularly cool now and how do you define And I define as I say it's kind of see it's a German which switches for like law the word schmaltz Yes Actually for a German word for large it is yes so an American says schmaltzy they are saying a German word Yeah they are indeed and I think small sums are completely embodies. Would you say Barry Manilow is schmaltzy I'd say it's a bit like New Country music is the equivalent in the u.s. This kind of country light I think there's a celebration of small teams yes and definitely the lyrics a simple that was romantic they're optimistic often shrugs things might be a bit older and I sounds a little better when you've had a couple beer it definitely does and what you do is if you listen to music and you'll see on the t.v. Channels that broadcast exclusively broadcasts laga isn't there a band in Castle worth only in band that's the castle router or something like that and it's just it's international There are. Schemes so. And it's all very simple very happy very light floggers Yeah exactly Ok so but you're talking about a more serious cultural Yes and what is that and there are different genres that the Germans have pioneered post-war one of them a kind of one a sort of my long lost impact it's a little bit more obscure but it's you know influence contemporary music it's a freshly independent music across Europe on the world and that's come out doesn't sound right out rock so there are only talking way to refer to a German as a crowd Yeah so this is crowd rock Yes and crowd means people who eat sauerkraut a lot bicycling Ok so in Germany you can actually call it John Krautrock Yes it's kind of electronic or select which kind of electronic spice it came emerge from the sixty's counterculture movement 68 was the birth of Christ I think that year was when you know it's of young kind of dropouts the students were kind of getting together forming communes rejecting kind of the parents' generation Woodstock times in America Absolutely and it's the time you got the student protests across Europe so they're very much fired on by that protest it's political it but it's electronic it's electronic because they wanted their own kind of style of music they didn't want to just copy the Americans the idea was the Americans were kind of colonizing electronic in the sense of very often go what I haven't got it right now. And they combine elements of psychedelic rock so there was influence from rock'n'roll and then and that's cutthroat Yeah Ok And then what happened after that and then after that you have much later on you have things like the noise of element which was the Germans tight on new wife which is kind of more poppy so noir Vela is that New Wave New Wave Yeah the new German why you know you do each of the of the new German way yes so we have a new way of punk This is German punk Exactly yeah and it's kind of it's kind of more silly believe it or not are some. Angry Yeah and it was like oh my goodness yeah but in Germany it was actually light and fun Yes it really is it was really self-effacing I mean dressing up in silly costumes as a banquet death plan from just a little for used to wear kind of ridiculous I and outfits and talk about picking pieces of pizza out of the dustbin. It's. Just that kind of stuff so as we're talking about this may see if you can relate to American groups that we might see it like Would there be an American equivalent of a light and happy punk rocker I would even say possibly Divo that quite famous I'd say Dave I was the equivalent was the n.r.a. Kind of funny as yet be this is travel with Rick's deeds We're talking with Macy Hitchcock we're talking about modern German pop music in Germany and how it reflects the culture when we're going through all of this we all know how American music has reflected our culture as it's gone through difficult stages and as it's grown how does the German story differ from the the American story I mean you've got Germany being vice reborn off to World War 2 you know in a different way to the rest of the Europe it was a defeated country and it had a lot to gain you needed to gain a lot and I feel like a band like that Obama's that kind of embraced the new reborn Jimmy because Germany emerged very very quickly from the ashes of World War 2 Thanks to the Marshall Plan West Germany so America was injecting all its the funds to build up its former enemy and make it a strong stable capitalist free society but the parents of a lot of the market for pop music were former Nazis Yes absolutely and the young people were basically trying to kind of get away from that and you have the kind of the violent manifestation of that in the bottom line whole group again I mentioned before and one group that came out of the movement were cuffed which literally means a kind of factory Kraftwerk now I think the one American the song that might have crossed the Atlantic was. Yes. I'm not it's for me that was really fun fun fun out of that was actually missing misunderstood that lyric is actually messing with. Bon which means we drive on the Autobahn But when Americans heard in British people that I thought all of us sing the fun fun fun of the Autobahn and when translated the lyrics they translated into the Fun Fun Fun did an English language French and they did and I know I just heard . Typo but it was the original German was fog and 5 in fun we drive drive drive on the Autobahn What's the message of that so I think the message is the idea is you know although I have to say the Autobahn was the product to the 3rd twice you know it'll be the ways of Germany to get their tanks from the Russian front to the French front in a hurry exactly but you know it's a legacy one of the few positive legacies of thought I saw basically I think what it represents is Germany moving forwards it's emerging from the ashes of World War 2 and it's rebuilding itself and it was becoming hugely powerful economic kind of powerhouse which was unexpected you know it really rapidly recovered from World War 2 Thanks to this money that is interesting it probably was sort of shocking to the Germans how they had basically destroyed Europe and suddenly they completely lost their completely bombed out they get a complete like a blood transfusion with new money a new market all funded by their former enemies the Americans and suddenly Germany is the powerhouse in Europe they are importing Turks to be their guest are biters there's all sorts of economic power on the horizon and take it up to today and Germany really is the leading power in the European Union the euro is kind of like the deutsche mark in disguise that's what credible about it is that you have this vote shots wouldn't this economic miracle it was a miracle really that happened and I think encapsulated that it whether it was conscious want to I don't know but a lot of the songs were about technology they were about moving forwards they were about the future. And really look clearly we're making a break with the past our parents God bless them they're died and there's no more of that now we look at Yeah and they even build their own instant. And they were seen as very very groundbreaking what instruments with those open synthesizes like you originally incorporated things like they do things like flutes with synthesizer electronics inside and then they just used to build everything selves they had their own take studio and dissolute off and I was famous for kind of creating you know the reality here you got superpower western Germany the model of a new capitalist society freed her lipstick and you got Eastern Germany the d.d.r. That until 1900 was living under a communist dictatorship that worked very hard to control the pop scene what was the music and pop culture scene on the other side of the Berlin wall like in the 1980 s. What was a very different story because the regime especially actually set say earlier on the regime was very opposed to any kind of American any kind of rock'n'roll because they saw as corrupting East German youth taking away from socialism by the I 980 s. They mellowed a bit but before that you had them clamping down very heavily on dissident singers loves of my famous singer called of both be a man who was by the I'd say the East German equivalent of Woody Guthrie or Bob Dylan I'm. Just dying to. Talk to an undisclosed. He was out there doing his protest song he was actually an East German protesting against the communists Yeah and he got away with it well no he didn't actually what's incredible about both b.m.i. Is he actually grew up in the West and he moved to the east at age of 17 in order to live in communist East Germany by choice as a teenager he wasn't dragged there by his notes you know he was a convince communist me thought things would be better on the other side and he was a folk singer like Woody Guthrie Yeah he was an involved in theater and he was a very accomplished academic and he ended up writing these protests songs. Yes So he went there idealistically name is Beermann. Did he end up being silenced by the government Yes He basically got a ban on performing life in 1965 and I my understanding is the government there would rather take a nobody from the west and pretend they are the Bob Dylan who's. After capitalism and then they make them a fake star there was a guy named Dean Reed who had a mess all over the works up act as the escapee from American capitalism. Was going to try to carry out all of them along the. Way. People teenagers in Eastern Europe genuinely thought this guy was a James Taylor are. Really preferred to be in the promised world and he's saying propaganda songs that were popular Yeah and they had to basically you know because they want many of those around you couldn't get many people to sing in the service the regime people preferred not to you uncool if you did that and of course many young East Germans were mistake listening to Western radio anyway so that was the hardest thing when I traveled in communist East Germany was because that's from the West yes we had had basically people recording you know Western radio I brought my cassette to Bulgaria and I gave it to my friend and he said Tomorrow there will be 50 copies of this yes and all of my friends will have it absolutely had machines in people's basements that could in a garage kind of way duplicate because that's you know and he even had cassette deejays because he basically had to you know one had any vinyl it had one was very expensive there was a state record label called Amiga but all of them the stuff they were producing was not what the young people wanted if you went to a disco most young East Germans want to listen to Western music that D.J.'s were forced to play a minimum of 60 percent East German pop Macy Hitchcock lives in Berlin and she's our guide now into the past half century of pop and rock music in Germany and we're talking about how it reflects the changes in German society during and after the Cold War. In 1990 or so that's the end of communism Germany is United 70000000000 people country the size of Montana superpower culturally and economically in Europe the new generation of German music the young generation is is much more multi-ethnic now does it show itself in its music yeah it definitely does I'd say especially since you've got a lot of the hip hop is massive in Germany I think German. Hip hop music scene is the 2nd biggest in the world believe it or not now how does hip hop in Germany compared to hip hop in America as we were talking in punk there was not the anger in the edge in Germany in the hip hop scene it's multi-ethnic how would it relate to the hip hop we know in the United States what you have is you have a lot of 2nd 3rd generation immigrants who will be making the kind of hip hop that has parallels I'd say it's more like the stuff that's coming out of New York in the 1970 s. The grandmas the flash scene where it was like young people just going out there and kind of rapping their heads off and these are basically marginalized groups they're poor or they represent you know as the Kurds the Turks to the ground and inner city American street music yeah I'm not stuff out of that dark amazing production on it that's what's so incredible about it you appreciate it as I do actually I mean I gem and friends often say how can you listen to is so awful German right one innocent American rapper I was like that's what's interesting about it because it gives me insight into the culture into the reality yeah of the immigrant world and yeah the barrios yet German big city lots of slang you know lots of the young Arab rappers they'll use lots of Arab words they have their own culture those were very strong kind of hip hop movement coming out Frankfurt that kind of thing as like we have to face a record label all that kind of thing and it's very cutting edge. Contest comes. With this African or because Turkish is a huge slice of the German population these days I mean the Turks form a large part of it they have their own kind of an ocular but you have also a very very large Arab primarily I'd say a lot of Arabs but then you have the other side of it things you have different it depends on the music scene it turns on the type of music you listen to because it's like being in the us it's like there isn't just one it's very fragmented but like Nina has transcended this she's there for decades she's but she's like a pop over me from this side of the Arctic I when I think Pop. And music I mean it and for me the great thing about Nina is she defeats this idea that the German language does not sound beautiful it's a beautiful language when when somebody like me yes. I must say I think I know the heights much and they all would but I still think manage although it's not beautiful lightening up from stand Yeah and what is that exactly I'm starting a 6 I think they're 6 man band from East Germany I grew up in the ninety's the communist regime part of the punk scene in the g.d.r. And they survived and I saw a slice of unification and they were young you know the guys in the mid twenty's often if cation and they basically copied a band I say in Slovenia called light Bach who did this very kind of martial militaristic sounding electronic music but I made it Ramstein made it more metal ish so they introduced very metal elements to it in martial metallic sound was almost a battle cry in for us Yugoslavia as they fight their battles Absolutely and it was I think it comes down picked up on that and also there was that same thing of gumption having grown up under the communist lie back to it and it was it was a reflection of that and also mocking it was a little kind of mockery and making fun of themselves they kind of embrace very violent controversial scenes. I don't know whether that's also connected with growing up in East Germany of being able to finally kind of throw your toys out the pram finally you know if you can psychoanalyze from what Yes exactly and I mean it's such interesting Gary I find in just me every goalie as I travel around Germany is kind of a Mecca for trance music people go to Berlin for these festivals and it almost doesn't translate into you know broadcast media but it's a happening can you talk a little bit about the electronica Yeah electronica I mean because the Germans pineal in my view well generally it's accepted huge impact with music so. Electronic music scene worldwide it's remains the kind of land of electronica So you go to places like bird and I mean it's getting a lot of press at the moment is a club called Book high and it's in the international press it's kind of the over but it's gigantic building where people go in they don't get there until 3 in the morning they may not get letting There's a legendary a very difficult. About from the dog then who has this kind of dark glasses this great big bill is like a biker and he just basically turns away most people viewed it like a tourist in not getting and there's no mobile phones my cell phones allowed inside so no photographs adding to the kind of you know adding Matic character of this place and it's just you go in there and it's just something electro for hours and hours and these parties go on for days and days and days and it's going to have a kind of looks like a church with these great big windows it's an old industrial building and that is real testament to how electronic music has just continued to dominate Germany and where we're not seeing Berlin. Is the scene in Hamburg also is the most liberal I'd say there is in Hamburg they have a kind of different thing going on that in Hamburg people go and they just lose themselves for an entire week oh yeah I mean that's I guess I think Germany will over it's particularly as a Hamburg and Berlin Those are the most liberal not for a while I get I'm getting a bit old for that site and a growing family dinner later got these concrete flak towers that yeah back to Hitler times and they're just too thick to tear down and they just are bump and with this modern techno music it's the perfect environment it's this kind of edgy you know it feels a bit post-industrial and it's continued despite the fact Boleyn is now evolving into much more of a kind of contemporary dynamic city there's still this old edginess to it that people are very attracted to and want to be part of so people want to learn more about that before their trip and then connect with the German pop scene when they do go to Germany What's your advice you know I'd say the best thing to do when you get to me I have an amazing life music scene I'll type out in Hamburg the best places but you have in Munich you have great live venues if you just check out like you. Just Google like pop concerts bulletin right and it's just every day you have and there's always something going on in Macy Hitchcock that is so interesting it's a dimension of German culture that the average traveler really doesn't pay much attention to and and perhaps should thank so much. Travel with. Rick Steves here in Washington but yours truly Tim captain with several McCormick and I as a captain on our website is managed. Or theme music is by Jerry Frank we had help this week from the B.B.C.'s Wogan House studios in London special thanks to our colleagues at the content people at n.p.r. In Washington you can comment on what you hear each week in our listener form in the radio section of Rick Steves dot com And we're glad to hear directly from you by e-mail to radio at Rick Steves dot com We'll look for you again next week with more travel with Rick Steves. I couldn't of like to know. 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