square park and then 20 minutes later there was the president walking across the street to st. john's church with his top officials, including barr, in tow >> had you been made aware you would be part of it >> not until i arrived in the white house. >> you were asked to specifically join him? >> yes they told us he was going to walk 15 feet in front we were going to trail behind i said this is not going to go over well, that's what i was thinking >> is that your bible? >> it's a bible. >> was lafayette square cleared for the benefit of the president staging a photo-op >> no. it was being cleared for law enforcement purposes >> the perception, of course, was that it was cleared to allow a photo-op to take place. >> but that's not really what happened. >> at that point, that became the headline. >> sure, sure. >> in his new memoir, barr admits it was a headline that did not look good for anyone involved. >> were you embarrassed? were the others embarrassed? >> yes. >> you didn't want to be there