10,000 Syrian Refugees over the next year. Do voters care . When the media asks questions about him bending the truth, whats going on in washington right now . Theres never been more truth bending in our lives. Just 19 of americans say they feel they can trust their government most or all of the time and Trump Supporters, like his overall message, even if he strays from the facts. Trump is not the only candidate stretching the truth. Ben carson said this on syria. We also must recognize its a very complex place. The chinese are there. Later, carsons campaign tried to clarify saying he meant chinese weapons and equipment were in syria, not the chinese military. Then theres Hillary Clinton and her evolving explanations about her email server. It was fully above board. The people in the government knew that i was using a personal account. But many of those people, including the president , have said they did not know she used it exclusively for government business. Just 27 of all voters and 52 of democratic primary voters give clinton a good rating on being honest and straightforward. Despite their problems with the truth, trump and clinton remain their partys frontrunners. If diogenes were looking for that honest man, once they got past Bernie Sanders in the president ial election theyd be looking for a long time. The voters cant find that honest person in 2016. Im joined on the phone by the republican president ial frontrunner right now donald trump. Mr. Trump, welcome back to meet the press. Good morning. Let me ask you about these claims this way. You demand and youve demanded of me pinpoint accuracy when i report on things about you, including, for instance, your net worth. Why shouldnt we demand the same pinpoint accuracy in the claims that you make . Isnt it hypocritical of you calling us out if were not calling you out when you stray from the truth . Well, now people have got my net worth right and theyre saying what my real net worth is for a long time. You know, as a private company they werent doing that but now theyre doing it, largely, i guess, due to the big filing that i made with the federal government, with the fec. As far as all of these claims, i believe its the obamas intention. They said 10,000 people, syrians, we dont want them because we dont know who they are and i love the idea of building a safe zone someplace in syria but they said 10,000 and yet the democratic debate they said 65,000 to the best of my recollection. Hillary said it and so did Bernie Sanders. Youre saying Bernie Sanders is so honest, i doubt that very much. But Bernie Sanders said it and hillary said it. I think they were talking in the democrat debate. I think they were talking about 65,000. I have it upon a certain amount of knowledge. Im very friendly with people on both sides that obamas plan is 200,000 to 250,000. So he said 10,000, the debate said 65,000 already before we even start and i think what he really has in mind is 200,000 people and maybe even more than that coming into our country and we cant have it. We dont know who these people are, theyre undocumented totally. And by the way, even if its 10,000, we cant have it. We cant have people coming in that we know nothing about. There is no paperwork. And for good reason. But theres no paperwork and this is going to be or has the potential to be one big fat trojan horse and we can not have that. All right, well, lets back up here a minute. Lets go to this jersey city comment. You said you saw this. Nobody can find evidence of this. And, more importantly, the article that you tweeted out that says that this backed you up, that in itself there were three or four different reports that month in new jersey that said it was a myth that was spread, that it was a false rumor, fbi, you name it. Where did you see this . Chuck, i saw it on television. So did many other people. In jersey city . You saw in the area. I also heard paterson. Ive heard jersey city, ive heard paterson, it was 14 years ago but i saw it on television, i saw clips and so did many other people and many people saw in the person. Ive had hundreds of phone calls to the Trump Organization saying we saw it. It was dancing in the streets. And, by the way, the Washington Post, now he tried to pull back, but the Washington Post reported tailgate parties and reports of tailgate parties. Tailgate parties mean, like, for a Football Game where you have hundreds and hundreds and maybe even thousands of people having tailgate parties. I saw it at the time. I stick by it. Hundreds of people have confirmed it. This didnt happen in new jersey. There were plenty of reports and youre chuck, it did happen in new jersey. I have hundreds of people that agree with you. They want to agree with you, that doesnt make it true. Chuck, you have a huge Muslim Population over there and thats fine. Thats fine. But you have a huge Muslim Population between paterson and different places in jersey city and unbelievable large population. If theyre going to be doing it at soccer games, if theyre going to be doing it all around the world that was being done, it was when the World Trade Center came down it was done all around the world and you know that because that has been reported very strongly. Why wouldnt it have taken place . Ive had hundreds of people call in and tweet in on twitter saying that they saw it and i was 100 right. Now, the Washington Post also wrote about tailgate parties. Were looking for other articles and were looking for other clips and i wouldnt be surprised if we found them, chuck. But for some reason theyre not that easy to come by. I saw it. So many people saw it, chuck. And so why would i take it back . Im not going to take it back. Just because somebody repeats something doesnt make it true. And i guess thats actually hundreds. I dont mean i had two calls, chuck. Even yesterday i was in saras a sarasota, florida, and people were saying they lived in jersey people were saying. Mr. Trump, if i say well, people have said mr. Trump is not worth 10 billion you would say that was crazy. But thats based on based on retweets and hearsay. This is much different. Youre running for president of the United States. Your words matter. This truthfulness matters. Factbased stuff matters. Take it easy, stuff, just play cool. This is people in this country that love our country that saw this by the hundreds theyre calling and theyre tweeting and theres a lot of people in sarasota, people were telling me yesterday they used to live in new jersey, they remember it vividly, they thought it was disgusting. So these are people that saw it, too. The Washington Post reported it. Other people many, many people have seen it. So i believe that i have a very good memory, chuck, ill tell you, i have a very good memory. I saw it somewhere on Television Many years ago and i never forgot it and it was on television, too. Let me ask you about your reaction to what happened in colorado. Okay. Well, i think its terrible. I mean, terrible. Its more of the same and i think its a terrible thing. And hes a maniac. Hes a maniac. A spokesperson for planned parenthood says is concerned the heated rhetoric around the planned parenthood debate could have had an adverse affect basically on this mentally disturbed individual. You think the rhetoric got out of hand on planned parenthood . No, i think hes a sick person and i think he was a probably a person ready to go. We dont even know the purpose i mean, he hasnt come out to the best of my knowledge with a statement as to why it happened to be at that location. Well, we have reporting he lived in a different area. We have reporting that he was talking about baby parts and things like that from Law Enforcement officials. Well, i will tell you, there is a tremendous group of people that think its terrible all of the videos that theyve seen with some of these people from planned parenthood talking about it like youre selling parts to a car. I mean, there are a lot of people that are very unhappy about that. Now, i know some of the tapes were perhaps not pertinent. I know that a couple people running for office or are running for office on the republican side were commenting on tapes that werent appropriate. But there were many tapes that are appropriate and in terms of commenting on and there are people that are extremely upset about it. It looks like youre talking about parts to some ma celinech something. So youre not surprised that someone might taken a extreme reaction to this . Well, this was an extremist and this was a man who obviously and they said prior to this he was mentally disturbed so hes a mentally disturbed person, no question about that. But it does sound like you understand why people might react this way . Well, theres tremendous theres tremendous dislike, i can say that. Because i go to rallies and i have by far and you will admit that, i think, but i have by far the biggest crowds, nobody even close and that includes Bernie Sanders. By the way, whose crowds are going down, down, down, like a rock ever since he gave hillary a free pass on the emails . But i see a lot of anxiety and i see a lot of dislike for planned parenthood. Theres no question about that. Is there a way you could lose this nomination and feel as if you were treated fairly by the Republican Party . Yes, there is. And theres also a way i could lose the nomination and feel that i was treated unfairly by the Republican Party. And right now you feel the Republican Party is doing what . Right now i have no opinion i just know that im winning by a lot. I really have no opinion. I have no opinion right now. I can say many, many people think im not being treated fairly. Where these guys that are down at 1 and 2 want to take negative ads. I can say fox came out with a poll where im easily beating Hillary Clinton. Im beating her by a lot and that just came out so thats a good sign. But the Mainstream Media and the republicans i have no real feeling as to whether or not im being treated fairly but i promise you i will let you know at some point. I hope im being treated fairly. Because honestly, chuck, that was my deal. My deal i signed a pledge, my deal was that i would be treated fairly and i hope thats going to be the case. Well, we are long overdue for a face to face, were putting it in the works hopefully before christmas. Mr. Trump, thanks for coming on. I look forward to it. Lets bring in panelists. Eugene robinson, andrea mitchell, molly ball and hugh hewitt, radio talk show host who has been a must stop for the republican candidates. I cant wait until you and Hillary Clinton tussle. I look forward to it. I think she ought to do it. It will interesting. Hugh, let me get your reaction to this. You saw in the the piece, Trump Supporters dont care if he gets fact checked and dont care if the fact checks prove to be false. Trump supporters are like Lincoln Chafee blocks of granite and they are not moving easily and theyre not going to move over the 9 11 story and Fact Checkers are themselves perceived to be agenda driven in many respects and they would like to see an equal amount of time give on the Hillary Clintons claim to being under sniper fire in bosnia or trying to join the marine corps or any of her as are given to donald trump. But heres the key thing, elizabeth loftus, professor at the university of california irvine has given a talk on memory. Memory is different than facts. You cannot fact check memory. You cant crawl inside his head. But you can fact check events. The events hes talking about did not happen other than the reporter whose work he cites says they were unconfirmed reports. Gee, i dont remember anything and by the way, three weeks later the newark star ledger rereported the rumors and said it was a vicious rumor. And the thenattorney general of new jersey says, no, we checked it out, it was a false report. It did not happen. Its not only that that didnt happen. 200,000 Syrian Refugees are coming. Its not only that the facts are wrong, its that what he is saying is so emotionally and politically powerful. He is lighting fires. He is turning people against people. He is misstating the facts of whats happening domestically, whats happening with islmuslim. The kinds of facts he is misstating are so much incendiary. Heres the political genius of donald trump. What he is doing is different. All politicians say things that are technically true but a little bit misleading or a lot misleading. That i say whatever they can get away with and if theyre called on it theyll walk it back a little bit, theyll trim their sails. Truth is conditional, as we found out. Half true. Reasoning, theyll talk about the definition of is. Donald trump doesnt do that, he creates an entire alternate reality and he does not back down. He pays no price for it. Its seductive to people because its the world they want to live with. Are we living in a posttruth world in whats interesting here, what do voters want . Do they want honesty or Something Else . Let me put up two different poll comparisons that we did in our last poll about the honest and trustworthy question between trump and Hillary Clinton and the temperament question between trump and Hillary Clinton. Look at this. Trump is seen as more honest and straightforward among all voters than Hillary Clinton is. That would be quite alarming if youre Hillary Clinton. Now look at the temperament question. And this number is reverse. Its Hillary Clinton that is seen as viewed as having the better temperament versus donald trump. Peter hart contends, hugh, its better to be seen as having the right temperament than being the most honest and straightforward. I think both of those will be eclipse bid who can deliver safety. After paris, the axis of the race shifted and people are looking for who will make them safe. We mentioned in the green room, theres a New York Times piece today on libya by David Kirkpatrick and eric schmidt about the fact that libya has become isis 2. 0 and there will be another terrorist attack and if there is one in the United States like paris, whoever promises safety, regardless of their trustworthiness, regardless of anything else and can deliver wins. Well, in fact, two weeks ago here right after paris i posited that trump was going to benefit more than anyone else because he is big and strong and it was counterintuitive and i was nervous about saying it but look at the numbers. And the way carson has slid, which we can talk about. But the fact is that trump is positing that he can take care of people and raising peoples fears as you said is incendiary and i think that the fact of truthfulness doesnt matter, especially when People Like Us are the people doing the fact checking. Its funny you talk about this. Politifact put this up and i have to show you this. On the candidates that have had the mostly false or false ratings, three have had a majority of the facts that have been fact check bid politifact have been traded as false or mostly false and the top three candidates on the republican side. Carson, trump and cruz. The Fact Checkers are viewed as having an agenda so the more they say youre wrong the more the supporters say theyre right. And the Fact Checkers did fact check Hillary Clinton on her under fire claims, they fact checked its not as if they havent done. It just intensity, eugene, just intensity of coverage. Well, theres a Republican Campaign going on now so who are you going to fact check . Good point. Good point. I think you are right that safety and strength are the scene for this phase of the campaign. I am not sure that one can say right now that they are the they are indeed the main themes of the entire campaign. Hillary clinton when Hillary Clinton says the reset button worked because medvedev was in power, thats palpably false. Even time she tries to explain away the reset button, thats why republicans dont trust Fact Checkers because they allow her to slide with Something Like the reset button worked. But were selectively but the whole point of its about the fact, period, right . And i think thats ultimately what i think were wondering why voters arent demanding that. And its because the media are less credible and Fact Checkers. All right, well pause here. Id like to think we have some credibility left. Back in a moment with the man who until recently was leading in most iowa polls. Its ben carson and hes joining us from amman, jordan. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. Whether its building the worlds most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. At boeing, one thing never changes. Our passion to make it real. Our passion to make it real. Why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you . 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But to bolster his Foreign Policy credentials hes viz sing syrian refugee camps in jordan and his campaign released this online video. President obama attack med for not wanting Syrian Refugees to enter our country. We need leaders who stop whining and start winning. Im pleased to say dr. Carson joins me now from the jordanian capital of amman. Dr. Carson, let me just start with the basic question, what did you learn on this trip . Well, you know, it was always wonderful to see things firsthand and to have an opportunity to actually go to the refugee camps and to some of the medical facilities. And i actually talked to the people, not only to the jordanians who are incredibly generous in terms of their support of refugees, and thats been the case for decades now, but also to the Syrian Refugees themselves to find out what they think about the whole situation, whether their wants and desires. The syrians want to be in syria. They want to be repatriated in their own country. And they are looking for a mechanism to get there. But in the meantime, the facilities that have been offered to them here in jordan are very satisfactory and when i asked them what americans could do they said if americans could support those facilities to a greater degree because they have much more capacity here in jordan and i suspect in some of the other countries as well. Let me just play something here. Heres how you described the syrian refugee crisis, some might say in an inartful way a couple weeks ago. Here it is. If theres a rabid dog running around your neighborhood, youre probably not going assume something good about that dog and youre probably going to put your children out of the way. It doesnt mean you hate all dogs. Given after meeting these Syrian Refugees, do you regreat language . Well, you know heres the interesting thing, chuck. The syrians and the people here completely understood what i was saying. Its only the news media and our country that thinks youre calling syrians dogs. They understand here that were talking about the jihadists, the islamic terrorists. And its very obvious to most of them. The reception is quite warm. So maybe they can teach us a little bit about how to interpret language. You said Something Else in your facebook post. You said we must find a political end to this conflict. Meaning you dont think there is a military solution to the syria situation . Well, i think the military solution, obviously, is to try to exterminate isis. And the other radical jihadists who will not allow peace to occur under any circumstances until they achieve their goals. But in terms of a place like syria, you have to recognize that the likelihood of an assad regime maintaining peaceful control is extremely small and the likelihood of al nusra or any of the antiassad factions maintaining control is also very small. So you need to be working on some type of mechanism to keep it from being a perpetual turmoil. So it sounds like you think this strategy is the right one, you would keep pursuing it. Does it mean youd speed it up . Intensify it . Help me out here. I think the most compassionate thing when youre fighting a war is to do it quickly. The longer you drag it out, the more people are hurt. And i think we need to work in close conjunction with our department of defense, with our experts. Ask them what do you need in order to accomplish this . And lets make a decision. Are we going to give that to them . Or are we going to keep giving them things piecemeal. And let me ask you a quick domestic issue. I know youve been traveling. There was a shooting in Colorado Springs and overnights theres been reports the shooter was yelling about baby parts, planned parenthood put out this statement weve seen an alarming increase in hateful rhetoric and smear campaigns against abortion providers and patients over the last few months. That environment breeds acts of violence, americans reject the hatred and vitriol that fuelled this tragedy. That was from a planned parenthood spokesperson. Are you concerned that the rhetoric may have motivated a mentally disturbed individual . I think any hateful rhetoric directed at anyone from any source is too much. Its something that we need to get away from. We have to stop allowing ourselves to be pushed into different corners and then throwing hateful barbs at each other. You know, all you have to do is go to the internet and read any article and you go to the comments section, you dont get five comments down before people are calling each other idiots and all kinds of names. When did we become so immature . We must somehow manage to regain the high ground and understand that were not each others enemies even though we may have some differences of opinions about things. Lets stop trying to destroy each other and lets work constructively. Lets put things on the table. Lets have a conversation about the rationale for our approaches. Thats a good way to end things. Dr. Carson, appreciate you coming on meet the press and travel home safely, sir. Thank you. You got it. Coming up, more on whether it was hateful rhetoric that led to that attack in colorado. As i told you, planned parenthood indicates yes. But first, there are 63 countries in the coalition taking on isis. Why does it seem as if no one is actually helping the United States . Well ask the former secretary of defense robert gates right after this. Surprise we heard you got a job as a developer its official, i work for ge what . Wow. Yeah okay. 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I think the biggest concern really is the overall relationship between russia and turkey and what this says about the prospects for a broader coalition in the region. I think the russians were embarrassed, frankly, by their planes getting shot down. Its been a long time since a russian fighter, combat aircraft, was shot down by hostile fire. And especially by a different country and so i think it is going to complicate coordination in syria, maybe it will accelerate it, who knows . But i worry the overall relationship between russia and turkey has turned so sour and neither of these strongmen, putin or erdogan, are willing to become down. Weve heard a lot about this coalition and if you ask them they tell you theres 63 members of the coalition. Weve been able to come up with 14 countries that have in some form or another contributed to air strikes and its a loose definition of contributed. It doesnt seem as if this coalition is anything more than name only. Am i being too cynical . I think to a little degree. Its better to have dozens and dozens of countries supporting what youre trying to do even if its only diplomatic support. We had 38, i think, countries in the coalition for the first gulf war and the truth is only four or five of them did any fighting. So its front a diplomatic and political standpoint to have a large number but the reality is, the truth is, if you had all 60 in there trying to do something militarily you would have chaos on your hands so in some ways having four or five or sthix th have real military capabilities, being involved, makes it easier to manage. Can we make any progress against isis if turkey and saudi arabia are not sort of following the u. S. Strategic goal here . Well, i think those two really do have to be on board or we have to be on board with them. In terms of priorities and i think we need to look at what they are trying to accomplish. What their goals are. As i said. Most of these countries have another agenda. The saudis are worried about iran, the turks more about the kurds and so on. But theyre both united in the fact that assad has to go before you can make progress against isis. I think we need to listen to them if we want them to be active and aggressive members of the coalition. But the reality the you hear people talk about sending combat formations from arab nations into iraq to fight isis, thats just not going to happen. First they are not going to send their troops, not willing to send their troops but second the iraqis probably wouldnt allow them to come anyway. Youve gotten a iranian influenced government in baghdad and the notion that they would invite saudi or gulf state troops into their country to fight what is an internal fight in their eyes i think is very unrealistic. Whether you realize it or not or only what im hearing you seem to be painting a picture that says well, the u. S. Is going to have no choice to if not totally go it alone but to the point where they may as well be going it alone because the other countries wont be falling in on our priorities. I dont think we have to go it alone. We obviously have strong allies like france. But what we do need is to have some allies in the region where were on the same page and where we have the same strategy. And i get it about the negotiations in vienna and so on. But we need to understand who is going to be critical to what is happening in syria itself. The president s strategy, is it should he speed it up . Speed up the implementation of the strategy or completely change it . That seems to be among the debates. While the strategy is the right strategy, it just needs to be set up. I think it does need to be sped up and intensified. I think while isis is a longterm problem for us, we have nearterm issues associated with it. All you have to do is look at the downing of the Russian Airliner and the attacks in paris and the attacks in beirut and so on. So we have a near term problem that needs to be addressed or a nearterm challenge from isis that needs to be addressed but when i hear people talk about a completely different strategy, i dont know what that is. Putting tens of thousands of u. S. Troops in there is not a nearterm solution. It would take months and months, even if you decided you wanted to do it, to put the logistics in place, get the troops trained and so on and im not sure they dont aggravate the problem. Youre not going to have combat formations coming out of raqqah wearing isis uniforms to confront american troops. Theyre going to melt into a population of several hundred thousand people or more broadly. So i dont see what a totally different kind of strategy, what kind of totally different strategy would actually work in those circumstances. 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About a third, 31 , of the republican electorate lives in rural and faithdriven america and there more people have left the work force than joined it since 2000 and not surprisingly this group is more likely to be pessimistic about where the economy is headed in the next month. So what does all this mean . These numbers, i think, can help explain why democrats and republicans view this president ial race so differently. If youre a democrat, youre happy with the economy. Youre probably not very likely to want to see a change in leadership. If youre a republican in a more depressed part about this country, youre more depressed about the economy and this may be a reason why you want to see a change at the top. 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He has secured perhaps the most important newspaper endorsement in the republican primary season. The question now, will that endorsement give christie, who has been struggling in low Single Digits in the polls, the momentum to launch a real challenge in the Granite State nationally . Joining me is the publisher of the New Hampshire union leader and the writer of that editorial, joe mcquaid. The panel is also here. So, joe, Chris Christie. First of all, tell us how you started you cut the field to get to the point where you decided to pick Chris Christie . He was among a group of how many you were seriously considering for the endorsement. I think we were really looking just at the governors. I think after the experience of the past eight years, freshman senators without a lot of experience are not good. So you punished cruz and rubio for having the same resume as barack obama . Yes, punishment is kind of a harsh word from the union leader. Fair enough. Disparage, things of that nature. So it was the governors and walker didnt last long enough to really be under consideration. Im not sure why governor perry didnt get any traction but it was left with kasich, bush, and christie and from that, myself and my editorial writer, some people that i respect in the community, we looked and christie is the guy who can take the fight to trump, hillary, isis. Its interesting. You said you seem to say, we were talking earlier, christies the most trumplike and that was an asset in some ways. It really is. Because americans seem to be fed up with washington and theyre looking for somebody who speaks with a bark off as we say in New Hampshire and i think christie does that. But as we said in the editorial, he does that knowing what hes talking about as opposed to some others who dont. Why christie over jeb bush . Jeb bush you could argue had a more successful tenure as governor. Chris christie had a lot of downgrades. The Economic Leadership in that state is at best at a standstill. Going in, jeb bush had one of the better states, jeb bush has not been a u. S. Attorney which i think is also a key in these troubled times and jeb bush doesnt look like he wants it and the public senses that. So im looking for somebody who can get the nomination and i dont think either bush or kasich can do so. Is it fair to exclude marco rubio and ted cruz, though . I know the analogy to a freshman senator, but ted cruz doing well in iowa now and showing his experience, showing hes got a lot of legal experience, hes highly educated. Why not someone like ted cruz or marco rubio . Well, fairness in politics its not fair to exclude. I take your point but i dont think either one of these fine young guys has the administrative experience and knows how the buttons are pushed in washington in the government. He does know how to push buttons on bridges. As a republican primary voter, bridge gate and the Second Amendment. How did you deal with those two . Well, Second Amendment christie waltzed around and came to a position which we could agree with which is the Second Amendment rules. Bridgegate, i was astonished when i asked him what, if anything, he learned from this and he said he learned not to be so trusting. And i said you were a u. S. Attorney. You trust people . But i think it shows its a big state and hes weathered that. There were a couple of people who are under indictment. He hasnt nothing has tied governor christie to bridgegate. I asked him when this trial is likely to happen. He said its supposed to be in the spring. He suspects for some reason it will be in the fall. But i dont think theyre going to lay a glove on christie because i dont think he had anything to do with it. You know, Chris Christie has been moving up in New Hampshire. Hes not leading, however, in New Hampshire. Nope. Are the voters of New Hampshire looking for Something Different this time . Are they looking for a donald trump . Are you in tune . Starting to realize youre a very powerful guy and your endorsement was very power informal New Hampshire. But is this what the voters want . We will see on february 9 if the secretary of state has the primary on that day and all this business about polls and leading in the polls and poll driven i think has been damaging to the elections of the United States. It used to be that people in iowa and New Hampshire got to pick. Now its fox and the other networks saying well determine who gets on the stage. Lets talk about the state of the race and broaden the conversation. Joe, we wont keep you on the hot seat, you get to play panelist with the rest of them. I want to show quickly ted cruz is having a moment. You brought up ted cruz here. I joked with you, joe, that the previous writers of the union leader, they probably would be cruz people. Well, patti would be going for buchanan. But cruz is moving and jean and molly, he seems to be moving at the expense of carson. Thats true. I was at a trump rally in South Carolina this week and almost literally every Single Person i spoke to, these are all Trump Supporters, if they had a second choice, a lot of them are trump or nothing but if they had a second choice it was ted cruz and a lot of them want a trump cruz or a cruz trump ticket. And that was not the case a month or two ago. There was not that buzz so cruz is gaining mind share among republican primary voters. Carson is losing it i think partly because of the questions about his Foreign Policy acumen and the events overseas. People dont see him as tough enough. They like hes a healer. They like hes a uniter but he doesnt have that machismo that trump has. Tomorrow, bulk Data Collection of the nsa ends. It totally ends. Its totally changed. Ted cruz is on one side of the issue, marco rubio on the other. Marco rubio supporters, the super pac, 501 c 4 have hit cruz on this. Is cruz vulnerable . Yes, he is. And the debate on the 15th in which im a panelist, that will come up. If i have any hope to turn that towards a National Security focus, thats a major deal. The french were not able to follow up, with the best Homeland Security in europe, were not able to follow the terrorists and the collection of metadata will matter. I dont know, joe, if it matters in New Hampshire. People dont much like that. New hampshire, live free or die state. Its all about security now, though, and i think governor christie is on the right side of that issue. You think cruz is on the wrong side of it . Oh, yes, yes. I dont think cruz will do well. The one thing about ted cruz that has caused a lot of criticism in washington is that he doesnt play nice. He doesnt get along, he criticizes his leaders. Thats whats helping him on the campaign trail. With that he shares those qualities with donald trump. Hes a bomb thrower. And its what joe wanted with christie. It is, indeed. We see a pattern here. Yeah. Christie is if theres an insider whos an outsider, its christie. Hes a jersey guy who shoots from the lips but he knows what hes talking about and i think people will buy that. Joe, stick around. Well take a quick break. Back in 45 seconds with our end game segment and the aftermath of that shooting in colorado. Of that shooting in colorado. Can our you set rules around the house, right . So set rules for your kids when they go online dont be a cyberbully. No racy selfies. And remember everyone can see everything you post, even grandma. Rules keep kids safe online. The more you know. End game time and the panel is here. I want to talk about colorado here, molly. Look, were getting reports from Law Enforcement officials it may have been politically motivated. We heard what planned parenthood said. Democrats have been on one side of quickly coming out in support of planned parenthood, republicans have been very hesitant about what theyve said. Well, and that seems obvious to me, right . This is an event that plays right into two major issues for the democrats. And i think what it illustrates is the extonigent to which this election is going to be a culture war on domestic issues. You have the democrats really leaning into these issues that they used to be afraid of, being very strongly proabortion right, standing with planned parenthood. That was a talking point long before this happened. But also really leaning into these Second Amendment issues democrats have been so afraid of forever because theyre so alienating to a lot of rural voters. Now you have the democrats feeling like the demographics are on their side, the culture is on their side. I dont know if thats true. But thats its totally what you said, republicans win on the culture wars, democrats lose. Now democrats are the ones that want a culture war. Exactly. And we dont know, this homicidal man, we dont know his mental state and what prompted him although there are some indicators but the Second Amendment issue, the gun issue, is where democrats really are coming together. Well, we know he had a gun. We know he had a gun. And you heard donald trump saying after paris, after chattanooga they should have been armed. Well, that is a completely different response than youre getting from democrats. Joe, im curious. In New Hampshire, it used to be democrats were a little cautious on gun issues, particularly democratic nominees for president because they wanted to continue to carry places that were rural population iowa, New Hampshire, where the democrats are more progun rights. Have things shifted in New Hampshire where its really now polarized . I dont think so and i think its awful early to be criticizing republicans for not jumping on the issue in colorado until we see the specifics of the issue. But as far as guns in New Hampshire, if Hillary Clinton, who won eight years ago and i expect she would win this time, not Bernie Sanders, shes going to have to waltz on the gun issue. Bernie sanders is a gun guy from next door in vermont so i dont think it will play the way it may play in other districts. Chuck, you said to mr. Trump words matter when youre running for president obama. In 2012 a domestic terrorist attacked Family Research council because they were against samesex marriage. It was a terrorist attack. This was another terrorist attack. Words do matter but they cant back people away from difficult issues. Its interesting you say that. These are domestic terrorist attacks . Absolutely. And we should be using that language . Absolutely. We should be and youre right to cite that earlier incident and this incident. Theyre both domestic terrorism and terrorism incidents and we need to use that word. Its a scary word for people but its violence to achieve political aim. And crazy people out there are impacted by rhetoric so when you thats what im thinking. Im wondering. We call it this, but youre right. The mentally disturbed are the ones that are looking to create a rationalization for themselves. What was the impact in the 1970s when the rate of domestic terrorism in this country was far from what it is now . Much, much higher with bombings. These were people with political ends, they werent terror well, the rhetoric did have an impact on the weathermen. They went underground and killed people. Thats why rhetoric matters but we cant sanitize an issue. I will talk about the planned parenthood practice, they were selling baby parts. I would be happy to engage people but we have to recognize there are disturbed people on both ends of the spectrum who can be impacted. Whats fascinating was to see the internal video, the live Camera Security that planned parenthood now has which is how the police were able to document in realtime where he was, where the hostages were, how to save people. The security that they have now well, they have officer swase who gave his life this morn. Let me move and close it with isis. You heard secretary gates, gene, and it was the subtle advice he was giving the president which is this you need to align your interest with the saudis and turks. You have no choice. You need to get rid of assad first. And he kept coming back to it. Right, he said you have to do that because you need them. Ignore the russians. You need them all in. Ignore the russians, number one. Number two, he dismissed this talk of huge numbers of u. S. Troops and other troops. He said, you know, the basic plan is the right plan. You cant ignore the russians. You cant ignore the iranians. Youve got to come up with some sort of timetable because russia is now weve permitted russia to become a major player here. Its interesting the arab members of this coalition have not flown any mission because the saudis are so focused on yemen. More than assad. The saudis are completely embroiled in yemen. And the turks with the kurds. Joe, we know when the union leader endorses they dont just do it on one day. Chris christie is going to get a run here. Well reinforce it and other guys might get unfair references. There you have it. Joe mcquaid, good to see you. Thank you a great panel. Well be back next week because if its sunday its meet the press. It is monday, november 30th. Coming up on early today, a wave of protesters welcomed over 150 World Leaders descending on paris, hoping to launch the worlds most ambitious fight against climate change. One of americas universities shuts down over an online threat of gun violence. The suspect in the planned parenthood shooting spree faces a judge today, as the candidates for president weigh in. The incredible scene on a roadway in china. Kobe calls it a career, almost. A big day on the gridiron. Early today starts right now. Good morning. Im milissa rehberger. President obama is in paris for a major summit on climate change. It is his first trip to france since the november 13th terror