With a sunday exclusive. Good sunday morning. The latest now out of israel appear gaza where the latest hour brings more fighting or temporary ceasefire. Despite diplomatic efforts that include the u. S. , there is yet to be a lasting agreement. Todays development hamas started firing more rockets at israel after rejecting extension of israeli imposed ceasefire. Israel is now reviewing a hamas call for a 24hour humanitarian truce. Israeli troops resumed military offensive in gaza this morning. Our Richard Engel joins me now with the very latest from gaza. Richard, good morning. Reporter good morning, david. Yet again there is another attempt to put a humanitarian ceasefire in place. But weve seen these come and go. A lasting deal here still remains elusive. Israelis and palestinians are both paying a heavy price for this. As we saw for ourselves during a lull in the fighting, parts of gaza are being devastated. Hes lost everything, his home, his possessions. But in this rare moment of relative safety, hes looking for something much dearer, the body of his son. This is whats left of gazas most crowded neighborhood. Two weeks ago 200,000 people lived here. Only hints are left of what life was like. Torn laundry on a line, a single plant unmoved, a crib perched on a ruined apartment building. It took days of deliberate shelling and airstrikes to reduce this neighborhood to rubble. This is no precision war against homelands and its weapons, its far more basic than that. Its punishment. Israels way of telling gaza if you fire rockets, this is what you get. Even after all the destruction, even after more than 1,000 killed, including several hundred children, many here still support hamas. This man says half the people are tired of hamas after all this, the other half supports hamas thinking israeli should feel a little of the pain that we feel here. To understand what hamas is fighting for, it helps to look at a map. Gaza is a tiny strip of land under a tight blockade. In the west fishing is limited to six miles offshore. In the east gaza is fenced in by razor wire. In the north, israel tightly controls two land crossings restricting Building Materials and, strangely, even crayons. In the south egypt has closed the only crossing at rafa. Hamass main demands, ease the israeli blockade and open the egyptian crossing. Israelis are feeling the pain of this war, too. So far it has lost more than 40 soldiers but its also fighting for wider goals. A leading israeli expert on military affairs. This is an asymmetric war. For hamas, perhaps, its enough not to lose, to remain standing after three weeks of battle. For israel, this is not enough. It is the stronger military power and it needs to send a strong message to the region, to the neighborhood. Reporter hamas uses two main weapons against israel, an elaborate network of tunnels to attack and kidnap Israeli Soldiers and civilians and its rockets. Now including longer range rockets that can reach deep oninto israel. Israels main objectives, destroy the tunnels, demilitary tarrize the gaza strip. It can strike at israel with thousands of missiles. They are deep into the escalation and looking for a way out. It gets messier and uglier and more violent as we proceed. Which is why now International Efforts to reach a lasting ceasefire have become so urgent. Israel has long said it has no choice in this war, that it simply cannot accept more than 2,400 rockets being fired at its city. Palestinians weve spoken to actually understand that but says israel doesnt have to flatten entire neighborhoods and kill hundreds of children to do it. David. Richard engel on the ground in gaza with his perspective analysis. Thank you. Im joined now by the israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. Prime minister, welcome back to meet the press. Thank you. Good to be with you, david. There is talk of another ceasefire, a pause in the fighting. What are you prepared to accept and could it lead to a more lasting ceasefire . You know, weve accepted five ceasefi ceasefires, acted upon them. Hamas has rejected every single one of them, violated them, including two humanitarian ceasefires which we accepted and implemented in the last 24 hours. Now hamas is suggesting the ceasefire, believe it or not, david, they have even violated their own ceasefire. So they continue to fire at us. Of course well take the necessary action to protect ourselves, protect our people, including the tunnels they are digging under our border and trying to reach our people. Well do whats necessary to defend ourselves. What does it say to get the kind of ceasefire the United States government and others are seeking right now of a longer duration . I think what we need to do is go to the Egyptian Initiative. The Egyptian Initiative is the only game in town. The Egyptian Initiative will also enable us to get what i think are prerequisites for sustainable period of quiet. That requires in essence demilitarization of gaza. That is we have to demille tarrize it. We cannot allow them to restock this arsenal or well be stuck in another five, six months with the same problem. We want demilitarization of gaza. That will enable social and Economic Relief people of gaza want. Ill tell you why the two of tight. Suppose you want to bring in cement or concrete to rebuild houses in gaza, houses where hamas has fired on us and we have to take action against them will okay. If you want to bring in that concrete, how do you know that concrete and cement will not be used again as hamas has been using in the last few years to rebuild the tunnel, kingdom underground they are using to penetrate israel. So you have to have a mechanism to ensure demilitarization. Have you to have supervision on social and Economic Relief. Same with money. You want money to go to the people. Theres a link between demilitarization and social and Economic Relief and i think thats what has to be discussed. Let me ask you about the price to israel, this ongoing conflict, the Staggering Number of dead civilians on the palestinian side in gaza and the fact that just this week you had condemnation from around the world by the targeting of a u. N. School that killed children and those civilians who were fleeing a safe place to go in the fighting. Was this a mistake on the part of israel even though the u. N. Says this was clearly marked and Israeli Forces knew the gps coordinates of the school . First of all, hamas is responsible for the death of civilians. Were not targeting a single civilian. Were responding to hamas action and were telling the civilians to leave. Hamas is telling them to stay. Why is it telling them to stay . It wants to pile up their own dead bodies. They not only want to kill our people, they want to sacrifice their own people. Where can they go . You say they should leave. Where can they reasonably go . Ill get to it. Theres plenty of places they can go to but hamas is making sure they dont go anywhere. Let me tell you about the school. Secretarygeneral of the United Nations before this incident took place admitted that two u. N. Schools in gaza were used to stockpile rockets, and he condemned hamas he condemned hamas for allowing, turning these schools into military targets, legitimate military targets. We still do not target schools. The schools, arms used to attack us. Our initial investigation doesnt show its our fire, it shows it may have been hamas rocket fire. Thats still being investigated. The important thing to understand is that the reason we have civilians killed is not because israel is targeting civilians but because hamas is using civilians as human shields, missiles to protect our people. They use their people to protect their missiles. You have heard in an unguarded moment by secretary kerry last sunday where he mocked the idea of israel conducting pinpoint strikes. The president has made no secret of the fact that hes told you hes having concerned about civilian deaths. Are you worried about vanishing u. S. Support for this operation if it goes on further . First of all, ive been, i think, like every israeli looking at these at the casualties. Nobody is happy here. Everybody regrets a single civilian death. Something we deeply regret. Its not our responsibility. Ive been to combat, to war. I know what efforts israeli army takes to minimize civilian targets. The United States has been unequivocal supporting the rights and condemning hamas for using civilians as human shields. I think that unequivocal support is necessary if we are going to have a successful conclusion to this operation. If hamas comes up winning, not only in the propaganda war but actually shows it actually received a lot of good, i think that peace will be very, very hard pressed to move that peace forward. However, if hamas is condemned, weakened, discredited, demille tarized, that opens up the path for peace. Final question. Do you believe theres actually a military solution to israels hamas problem . I think we have to make a distinction between palestinian israeli conflict with those willing to coexist with israel, thats the palestinian authority. There we can have a real solution and any kind of political solution with hamas. Hamas is a Terror Organization that is committed to our destruction, supported bin laden, condemn for taking action against bin laden, wants radical state. You have to weaken, discredit them, demilitaryize them. Can you force them out militarily . Is there a military solution to this problem . We can do a lot of things. Im not going to did you our operation with you. But we have not drawn any limits on our activity. We do targets hamas. We do not target civilians. We will take the actions that are necessary to defend our peoplish as any country would. The United States would. If you had 2500 rockets falling on your city, if you had terror tunnels dug underneath your border to reach your kindergarten, if you had attacks by land, sea, air of course you take action. You take military action aplenty. I have no doubt you would. So does israel. Prime minister netanyahu, as always, thank you for your time. Thank you. Now to spokesman for the United Nations relief and works agency. Its his organization that runs the school in northern gaza that was devastated thursday by this attack that left 16 people dead including children. The school was crowded with hundreds of palestinians seeking refuge from the fierce fighting. As you heard the Prime Minister say, and you know, of course, this fighting has resumed despite talk of ceasefires. Are there other u. N. Facilities that have been hit . Well, just within the last few minutes quite literally im hearing from colleagues in gaza of some kind of explosion, which initial reports indicate is actually inside the main u. N. Compound in the district of gaza city. We have got people on the ground investigating. We cannot say what it is but clearly it is another tragic example of what could happen to civilians in this pitiless conflict. Look at what you just talked to the Prime Minister about. Women, children. We saw pictures of the most appalling carnage. That is why justice with this instance that happened in the last few minutes at the u. N. Conflict in gaza we call on the warring party to respect sanctity of civilian life, inviableability, humanitarian workers. We have lost three workers. Any other organization would have withdrawn. What about what the Prime Minister said . You accept what he said . He very directly accuses hamas of using civilians, of putting civilians in harms way as human shields. Do you believe thats accurate . Do you accept that . Let me be very clear about this. An ra is responsible for its own installations. Where we have found neutrality violations by militants as we did with rockets being discovered in schools closed for the summer we proactively issued a statement strongly condemning it as a flagrant violation of international law. We contacted all the parties. Now we have actually been in contact at the highest level through the secretarygenerals office to get assistance from the United States mines action service. We are not an organization, i hope you will agree, that as its been accused handing weapons to hamas. We have behaved responsibly to protect our staff and preserve our neutrality. The Israeli Government has released videotape within the past hour posted on youtube. Nbc news has not independently verified, israelis saying, i realize you cannot see this video but our audience k ill describe it to you. That purports to show rockets being fired from a u. N. School. Is this accurate . Could this be happening without the u. N. s knowledge that would only bolster the Prime Ministers point that hamas is using civilians, using United Nations even in a kind of propaganda war . To be fair to me, to bring me on a live program and expect me to comment live on air on pictures i havent actually seen, i think anyone looking at this program would agree thats really unfair. If i can see it, ill happily comment on it. Can i make the point that we have said that all sides have to respect the inviability of u. N. Compound. If that were the case we would strongly condemn it. Were not an army. We have moral force, we have the force of international law, and we have the principles of humanitarianism to protect us but thats it. You know, thats why we had a u. N. Protected school with a blue flag on top of it, the israeli army had been notified of its location. Let me also tell you we spent hours on the phone begging, pleading with israeli army to allow civilians out on that terrible day. In the end we did not get a green light. The result, the consequence, tragic consequences revolts the world and quite rightly so. To be clear, im fully aware you cannot see the video. I was not trying to put you in an unfair position. The video the audience can see was not to verify but ask your response what Israeli Government said if rockets were fired from the facility and if youre aware of them. I think your position is clear and i thank you for your time this morning. That you very much indeed. Adding, of course, to americas troubles overseas, it is just not the war in gaza but now the, quote, free wheeling militia violence in libya has u. S. Embassy emptying this morning after evidence of the breakdown of the country. Two years after the attack in gaza that left four dead. Plus in ukraine, more Russian Troops moving to the border of u. S. Intelligence reports, putin will hand over more sophisticated weaponry to the rebels. Does this show the russian leader is not taking u. S. Threats seriously in the face of what he perceives is weakness by the west. With me now democratic senator Chuck Schumer from new york. Senator, before we move to other areas, let me button up the discussion about the war in gaza at this point and whether you position u. S. Government should be calling on israel to do something differently here to get a different result. Here is what i think. First, the loss of life is terrible. You see the pictures, the grieving mothers on both sides of the border and your heart just breaks. But were not going to have peace if theres a ceasefire were not going to have peace if israel is pressured to go for a ceasefire that allows hamas to maintain its tunnels and rockets. There have been three ceasefires, israel accepted all three. Hamas just last night rejected another ceasefire. The minute the ceasefires are over they send rockets back into israel. Lets not forget one thing. Hamas is an organization sworn to israels destruction. It believes it has the moral right to do military action against israel at any time. So we cant use these ceasefires as a way for hamas to reload. Once israel is allowed to take care of the rockets and the tunnels, i believe there can be a real lasting ceasefire and eventually peace in gaza. Because when hamas doesnt have the ability to militarily attack israel, as it has done repeatedly over the years, then it will lose its weight, Palestinian People will bring in a more moderate group and humanitarian aid and economic aid will be used to help them, not to build tunnels, not to pay for rockets. So its really almost impossible to have peace as long as hamas is in control of gaza. A ceasefire should happen but it should happen without pressuring israel to avoid getting rid of the rockets and tunnels. Thats hamass trump card. Let me ask you about libya. The embassy evacuated american personnel because of the militia fighting. It raises to me a broader question about americas staying power in a region and in a country thats falling apart. America was part of an action taken along with the arab league and other European Countries to take out Muammar Gaddafi but now you have a state that seems to be coming apart. What role should america be playing . This is very difficult. I spoke to the state department yesterday. The fighting near the embassy was not aimed at the embassy. It was two factions fighting. One had a big, big sort of military base near the embassy and the other was firing at it. And the actual rockets and missiles and bullets hit the embassy. So there was no choice but to evacuate. Obviously these situations are very difficult in the world. While we should be as humanitarian as possible, i am dubious to really influence outcome in this part of the world. We have not been able to do that in almost any place at all, maybe tunisia. What about russia. The big question in commentary as russia forthifies positions in eastern ukraine, europe has been slow to ratchet up economic sanctions even as fresh evidence suggesting culpability and providing the weapon that took down Malaysia Airlines flight. This is tantamount to appeasement by the west of Vladimir Putin. I tend to agree with that. Putin has shown he has no conscious. He takes advantage of this horrible downing of the airliner and redoubles his efforts and rearms the rebels. Its about time we took tougher action against putin. Hes a schoolyard bully. What i learned in brooklyn, you show a bullie weakness they take further advantage. You show them strength, they back off. Here is what we should do. Our strong hand is the diplomatic and economic. We should raise the sanctions, economic sanctions that really hurt russia already further. We should remind the europeans who have to be part of the sanctions that they should not be like 1938 europe where appeasement governed. If they appease putin, they will not stop him. He will get worse. Second, we should take diplomatic actions. We should tell putin and the russians if they keep this up, we will move to expel them, along with europeans, from the wto and we will not allow the world cup to go forward in four years in russia. Putin has to be told to pay a price. We have to be smart about it. Militarily we dont have the strength. They have the second largest army. No americans want troops in the ukraine but we do have strength economically and diplomatically. We should use it and we should make sure and do everything we can to get the europeans to stop this policy of appeasement. It will just make putin stronger and pay a bigger price later. Well leave it there. Senator schumer, thanks very much. Appreciate it. When we come back, congress is about to leave for the summer having done nothing on immigration. President obama is ready to act on his own. Is there a way through this impasse . Ill ask one of the republican partys big hitters, 2012 Vice President ial candidate paul ryan. Hell be joining me next. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, weve always been on the forefront of innovation. When the world called for speed. When the world called for stealth. Intelligence. Endurance. Affordability. Adaptability. And when the world asked for the future. Staying ahead in a constantly evolving world. Thats the value of performance. Northrop grumman. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. She can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. My mom works at ge. My mom works at ge. We are back house budget chair paul ryan one of the most influential words in the party and politics. His plans provided a blueprint for efforts to roll back government. This week he unveiled a major proposal to fight poverty. Chairman ryan joins me from his home state of wisconsin. Good to see you. Good morning, david. Lots of talk. Weve talked about Foreign Affairs and hot spots around the world. I want to focus back home. Laid out a plan for attacking poverty this week, which ill get to in a moment. Here congress is about to leave having achieved so very, very little. On this issue of immigration, you voted to support a law that basically created a situation we have now, which is those who come to the border from Central America have to be put into a process where they are evaluated before they can be instantly deported. Do you have a different view how that should happen now . Do you think these children and others, tens of thousands of them should be sent back home . Yes, i do. Otherwise the humanitarian crisis will continue. Otherwise families in countries far away on the other side of mexico will be giving thousands of dollars to traffickers to take their children over the border. The humanitarian crisis will get worse. I do believe we need to amend this law, which never intended for this to happen, to make sure you can treat people in noncontiguous countries like we do pex cans and canadians so we can stop this crisis. We intend to do this this coming week in the session in congress. The other point about congress doing nothing, look no forward than the United States senate. Weve passed 300 bills in the house, job creation, fixing problems sitting in the senate going nowhere because the senate has chosen basically to not legislate and give the president a freehand. At the same time theres issues and people watching disaffected with both sides of people in washington, looking at issues with some of the problems in Veterans Administration. Both house and senate pass a bill and you cant even reconcile some of these differences. This is washington at work doing nothing. Were frustrated as much as you are. Weve been passing bills and they are walking away. They are in cancer this weekend about the veterans issue. Weve proposed a specific issue any veteran who cant get the care they deserved and earn get the care. Now a specific solution. Now democrats and administration willing to work with us to do that. Let me ask you about poverty. I want to put up a summary what you are proposing how to rethink programs, consolidate 11 federal antipoverty programs including programs like food stamps, Public Housing sis answer, child care aid, low in come energy sis answer and cash welfare, consolidate them, have states administer them. They would have a certain amount of money, creativity to spend that money, creation of individual case officers at a state level who could deal with a poor family, for instance, and try to give them a path out. Skeptics have said, cited one thing that really struck me. Some of the poorest states are run by republican governors who have refused to even expand access to medicaid under the obama care law. You can understand why people would be skeptical giving them that kind of power would lead to Constructive Solutions to deal with people who are poor. Look, first of all, these programs dont work with each other. In many ways they end up being counterproductive. Poverty is a complicated problem and it needs to be customized. Second of all we have a poverty Management System with respect to the government. If you want to have a healthy economy and real solutions, you have to have a healthy safety net. The safety net needs to work to get people out of poverty. My poverty here is not focus on effort, enput, how much money we spend, lets focus on outcomes. Are we actually getting people out of poverty . The best way to do that, in my opinion, listen to people on the ground, fighting poverty persontoperson, and give them more flexibility in exchange for accountability to get people out of poverty. We have learned good lessons about the right way to do this and not. I can argue we would customize benefit based on their particular needs which actually helps them get out of poverty longterm. We spend 800 billion every year on nine different programs to fight poverty yet we have the highest poverty rates in a generation. Change the focus. This is a very good step in the right direction. I want to have a conversation about how to improve the outcomes. Lets talk about your own attitudes on people who are poor and their views on government you were on the program in january of last year and you said the following. We dont want a dependency culture. Our concern in this country is with the idea that more and more ablebodied people are becoming dependent on the government or upon themselves and lively hoods. It doesnt sound like a lot of sympathy for people who need the governments help. What you seem to be saying is people have a problem with their own dependency here the government is only furthering. Thats not my intent. Far from it. My point, and ill make it again, we dont want to have a poverty Management System that simply perpetuates poverty. We want the root causes of poverty to get people out of poverty. I would argue that is the best way to go forward. Thats what were proposing here, have benefits customized to a unique persons problems because poverty is very complicated. To not just keep them where they are but help them get where they want to be. That is the thrust of these proposals. The federal governments approach has ended up maintaining poverty, managing poverty. In many ways disincentivized people going to work. In some cases you lose benefits going to work. Some dont go to work because of the federal disincentive to do so. We need to reemphasize getting people up in their lives, giving them the tools to do that. Thats the point. Ablebodied people should go to work and we should have a system that helps them do that so they can realize their potential. That to me is a far better system, to get people out of poverty longterm than just spend more hardworking taxpayer dollars on a program that is not getting the results that people deserve. Chairman paul ryan, a debate that will continue. Thank you very much for your thoughts this morning. Thank you, david. Coming up here, who does ted cruz believe is to blame for failure of chronic to pass legislation in a gridlocked washington. It should embarrass all of us. Its the result of a deliberate partisan decision. The roundtable is here. Well tackle that. 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We believe that on every level, health effects, the impact on society, law and order issues, the balance falls squarely on the side of national galization that will put decisions on whether to allow recreational or medical production in use with where it belongs at the state level. David brooks, youve weighed in on this debate before. I disagree with them on the larger issue. I dont know what they have been smoking up there. The haze. They didnt inhale. Yeah, right. Actually, they did. I have two basic issues. One, the effects on the teenager brain really are pretty significant. They acknowledge that in the editorial. I dont think we can sanction adults fine and if youre 18, you cant do it. Thats not going to work, i dont think. Second, i dont think the government should be sanctioning activity most mature out of it. I dont think its the way we want to spend our minds. But here is something i do agree with my colleagues on. I could be wrong on marijuana. I wouldnt mind some state experimentation. Really what the editorial is calling for federal legalsation, allow states leeway. Even though im opposed to it, i think throwing it to the states what are we learning from the states . Were learning from colorado that at least in terms of revenue theres a great deal of revenue, 184 million, Something Like that. Also at least these early statistics show theres a slight decrease in crime. I think its about 3 year over year from 2013 to 2014. Early. Its still very early, thats true. Marijuana legalization is a budget issue. They can make a lot of money on tobacco also, but we dont want that. Im with david. I dont have a huge problem with letting states experiment, but i think for states to decide to go the full legalization route is a problem precisely for my mommy reason. Can you say its okay for adults but Everybody Knows who has teenagers like me, the fact that alcohol is legal increases their access to alcohol making marijuana readily legally available my kids are at home laughing at me. It is a vast social experiment. We do not know the outcome, except that the best evidence is that you lose if you use marijuana as a teenager regularly, eight iq points. I dont know about the rest of the table but i dont have eight to lose. Can we get to a point where, like with alcohol, the message is use in moderation . Its a serious issue and i think its fascinating that the two of you are agreeing. They are both so conservative. To me, when i think of grass as something to walk on, pot as something to put a plant in. Such a square, thats where im coming from. I think its important to have the debate but i think i wonder whats the rush . Why not see pardon the pun. This is going to be part of the new culture war in 2016 i think well see decisions especially on the republican side the rand paul wing of the party, Chris Christie more establishment wing of the party as well. The country is getting more libertarian on these issues, everyone should do what they want. Were part of a community affected by each others views, each others values. Theres value in government playing some role in restricting the culture of health for teenagers. I follow all the international events, the news out of gaza, ukraine, now libya. I just sit back and i think a lot of people have to be wondering, my sister is saying to me, everything seems so grim and there doesnt appear to be a solution. What is our ability, u. S. Ability at the moment to fix any of this, influence any of this. Very de minimus. You heard Chuck Schumer say we dont have the strength to take on russia. We dont have the strength. We dont have the will. Let me be clear item not arguing for boots on the ground in a lot of these places. George bush used to talk about the humble policy before it was not a humble policy. But there are two simultaneous things we need to keep in mind. America cannot withdraw from the world, consequences of that, rand paul notwithstanding, are very, very dangerous. But america also has a limited ability to completely influence events where there have been decades, centuries, of tribal conflicts we cant necessarily fix. You think that restraint on the part of the president to recognize that reality is at some point going to be respected or still viewed as weakness . I think youve seen his Approval Ratings in the Foreign Policy realm certainly plummet beginning really in the fall of 2013. Youve seen that as a steady trend. I think we havent figured out what it looks like for americans to lead in terms of the global stage but also pull back in terms of militarily. What does Foreign Policy look like. We did this, after world war ii had an american led order which involved constant gradual pressure. That constant gradual pressure which involves small wars several years kept the wolves at bay, at their back. Now they are advancing, dont feel pressure against them. You just get a lot more disorder unless that constant form of pressure. In russia you have a place, for how much of history has russia paid attention to american policy. Right now what they are worried about is their own region, their part of the world. When they think about ukraine, afghanistan, georgia, hungary, poland, thats their neck of the woods. Theres one school of thought what Vladimir Putin is doing, theres this grand design he wants to create this empire. The other frankly smart people ive talked to say hes ad hocking it. He lost the ability to control whats on the ground. He may be a good tactician but strategically. Let me turn back to congress and the do nothing nature of it. Some of the examples from Veterans Administration to other more mundane things bipartisan agreement that cant result in anything being done. My colleague Kelly Odonnell spoke to one of the most outspoken voices ted cruz of texas for who is to blame for getting nothing done. Watch this. Theres only one member of the u. S. Senate who has control of the agenda. That is the majority leader. I cant control the agenda on the senate floor. The reason we have no votes on tax reform is because harry reid wont allow votes on tax reform. The reason we dont have any votes on regulatory reform, because harry reid wont allow votes on regulatory reform. The reason we dont spend a minute talking about substantive issues on jobs is because harry reid wont allow the votes. At the end of the day, the senate used to be called the worlds most deliberative body, we dont debate anything nowadays. Ruth marcus, harry reid li like no, no, no votes. There is a legitimate for debate on the floor. Harry reid must be texan for chutzpah of for ted cruz of all people to be complaining about destructionism, lamenting dysfunction when hes been an architect of that, with a ridiculous trying to stop a bill that would pass. He wont vote for immigration money if we dont undo previous acts for dreamers. Im going to actually womp on other guests in my role here listen to paul ryan saying senate has chosen not to legislate when everybody understands senates legislation bill on the house floor would pass. Okay. One of the things, david, i see when i talked to people around the country, until incentives are changed, a desire for some compromise or even meeting challenges that americans want dealt with will not get done because nobody will give the other side even a small win. I used to think the problem is washington. Now i think the problem is the country. The country is important polarized. People in the states are more polarized. Also attitude. Politics half truth, both sides with a piece of the truth. The immigration debate. Kids flown across the border. We have to do two things at once, give them humanitarian refuge, some of them and readjust the law that induces them to come over. Democrats want to give them refuge, you cant say they are both kind of right, lets jam it into a i will about. We dont have mentality to say both sides are right. Next week they will go home for five weeks summer break after a year in which they have accomplished almost nothing. You talked about it earlier with paul ryan. You had not om immigration, the border issue which everybody realizes is urgent, but the veterans where you had a bill that passed senate 933. Sponsors Bernie Sanders socialist and john mccain that cant get an agreement. So david i hear you saying its the country. But something is wrong. The incentives dont change for members of congress, and they are preying on that polarization to stay in office and stay popular enough by standing on principle. Thats right. I think it was noble over the last couple of days you have Hillary Clinton talking about compromise, talking about the idea we shouldnt elect folks who essentially say they are going to go to washington to do nothing. I think you are having folks if you look at 2014 and the folks who are running, they are sometimes having issues on the stump justifying their time in congress, not having passed bills. You wonder in 2016 some of the guys running if they are going to have this same issue as well. Let me take a break. Thanks to the roundtable very much. When we come back, obama care on the opens after Court Rulings. Next, how people of vermont are looking north of the border and battle over the states own unique health care solution. Canada has this Health Care System that i as a vermonter would like to have. 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Reporter as the sun comes up in burlington, vermonters awake to a battle over whether their state can afford to push into Uncharted Waters and go further than obama care. Vermonts Democratic State government says it can deliver health care more efficiently and for less to every one of its 600,000 residents equally, all paid for with tax dollars to the tune of some 2 billion a year. Many say taxes here could double. They are outrageous the increases that are needed. Reporter doctors bills would go to the State Government essentially eliminating the need for people to purchase private insurance. A solution to Americas Health care crisis or the road to bankruptcy for vermont . Weve decided to travel north through the Green Mountain state to where the United States nestles up to canada, where its citizens have had Government Health care for decades. Derby lines relationship with neighboring stance says quebec is so close the haskellfree library straddles the line. They have a Health Care System i would like to have and were this close. Youre excited about that. I am. Vermonter jerry snyder who has had as high as a 5,000 deductible for his health care was recently given a pacemaker. He says too many of his neighbors dont have Health Insurance because of the cost, even with the Affordable Care act. When were worrying, when were stressed, when were pug things off, where is the health in that . Reporter but local pharmacist buzz roy is more than a little skeptical. Im frightened by it. It has a potential to bankrupt the state and everybody is going to move out. Reporter roy isnt sold on the canadian system his friends on the other side wouldnt dream of giving up. There are long waits for surgery. There are long waits to see the general practitioner. The wheels are falling off. Reporter as he travels the tranquil paths of his maple sugar farm Stephen Wheeler worries. Im over here hoping beyond all hope they do it and get it right. 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For meet the press, Kevin Tibbles. When we come back here, the big question that will be driving the conversation this week, the New York Times with driving the conversation this week, the New York Times with a bold dnearly one in three children in america is overweight. With a bold lets lighten up those numbers with fruits and vegetables, lean protein, and lots of water. Add in plenty of active play and the odds of good health are in your favor, the more you know. Before the big question and end note in a discussion about gaza we asked a spokesman about this video which israel claims showed rockets being fired by hamas from a u. N. School in gaza. This is shot by Israeli Government. Thats their claim. The u. N. Has reviewed it, tells us they have confirmed, in their view, the video does not show rockets being fired from u. N. Administrative school in gaza, so this is a back and forth we are not able to settle at this point. Now to this weeks big question. Should marijuana be legal in the United States . The big question will be a big debate this week. We talked about the merits of the statement. Just prediction wise, do you think its moving in that direction . Everybody says that. If you look over history, the regulation of things like opiates, smoking, public drunkenness, its ebbed and flowed a lot. Its not always allow freedom. Sometimes theres restrictions. You cant smoke the way you used to, use opiates the way you used to, public drunkenness much less acceptable. Move forward, a prohibition in place for those over 21, for example. Possibly. I think one of the things about this debate is what we know is true about a prosecution, theres a great deal of Racial Disparities between blacks and whites and class disparities. Thats one of the interesting ways youre going to have a lot of strange bed fellows around this issue. Youve talked about it before. Republicans not totally against it. 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