[ laughter ] you know, we have been talking about donald trump on this show for 18 months and one of the things ive tried to make clear over those 18 months is how i have been wrong about him at every turn. When he first came down the escalator at trump tower and announced i boldly said on this show he was a stunt and he would never really run. I then said he would never win the gop nomination and i certainly didnt think he would be our next president but the good news is based on this pattern of me being wrong on every one of my donald trump predictions hes probably going to be a great [ bleep ] president. [ laughter and applause ] lets just hope the trajectory holds. Anyways i think i was not alone in watching the election last night. My wife and i went to watch the election returns at a friends house and before we left we put our 8monthold son to bed and i was holding him and i said to him when you wake up tomorrow morning we might have our first female president and then when we came home around midnight i went into his room and shook his crib until he woke up and screamed, we have to get out of here [ laughter ] and then my wife pointed out that wasnt productive and she was right. Im willing to admit that she was right. So i recalibrated and i told him that for the first time in our history our president would be a steak salesman. [ laughter ] and that seemed to calm him down. Then we got into bed my wife and i and our dog frisbee, whos a sevenpound italian greyhound, she jumped into bed with us and usually she provides great comfort to us but last night frisbee was skittish because being italian she doesnt know if she gets to stay. [ laughter ] so we had to calm her down too. [ applause ] but i will say this morning i realized how lucky we were because an 8monthold was the perfect age child to have because while my wife and i were sitting at the Kitchen Table solemnly talking about what all of this meant all this meant, he was just happily going to town oa pear. [ light laughter ] we cut up a piece of pear, were discussing the future of the Supreme Court and he was just smiling and eating that pear. And you could tell he was thinking i dont know what you two are talking about, but im with pear. [ light laughter ] but with that said i do really feel for the parents who had to explain this to their kids this morning. Especially parents with daughters because a lot of them like me probably thought hillary would be our first woman president. But she wont be. But that does mean that does mean that someones daughter is out there right now who will one day have that title. [ cheers and applause ] and maybe maybe youre a woman who is currently a senator. Maybe youre still in college. Hopefully, youre not a toddler but who knows with the way things went last night, who knows . The fact is we dont know who you are but i imagine this moment today will be a defining one for you. One that will make you work harder and strive farther and whoever you are i hope i live to see your inauguration and i hope my mom does too. She was really excited yesterday and i was really sad for her. My moms name happens to be hillary. It hasnt always been that. She just changed it to whatever [ light laughter ] whatever democrat is running for president. Its really weird. Had to call her barrack for eight years. But good news to our first woman president whoever you are, where ever you are, you may have been rooting for hillary but now you can still be the first woman president and first is so much better than second. That is the difference between George Washington and john adams. You either end up on money or Paul Giamatti plays you in a movie. [ laughter and applause ] so whoever you are, where ever you are, go get it. I felt a lot of emotions last night and into today. Some sadness. Some anger. Some fear. But im also aware that those are the same emotions a lot of Trump Supporters felt emotions that led them to make their choice and it would be wrong for me to think my emotions are somehow more authentic than their emotions. Were always better as a society when we have empathy for one another so i would just say i would like to say to those trump voters congratulations. I sincerely hope he addresses your concerns. I sincerely hope that if you felt forgotten he wont forget you now. As a white man i also know that any emotions im feeling are likely a fraction of those being felt by the lgbtq community, africanamericans, hispanicamericans, muslimamericans, any number of the immigrant communities so vital to our country so hopefully the Trump Administration and Trump Supporters will be compassionate to them. Because they need your compassion and in general i am hopeful for President Trump because hope is always the best possible path to take and one thing that makes me hopeful is we know from interviews he has given over the years that he has, at any given point, held every position on every issue. [ light laughter ] he has been prochoice, prolife, for the iraq war, against the iraq war. Pretty much his only consistent position has been antirosie odonnell. [ laughter ] so im hopeful that he is not actually a racist and that he just used racist rhetoric to court voters because when youre courting someone youre always willing to pretend youre something youre not. For example, when you first start dating someone youll agree to go apple picking. Youll take cute pictures and maybe when you get home youll bake a pie together but once youre officially a couple, youre not going apple picking anymore. And when they ask you why, you say because, i hate apple picking. I was just pretending i liked it to trick you. And let me make it clear i am in no way trying to say that racism is as bad as apple picking. [ light laughter ] [ applause ] but again i cant stress how wrong ive been about the Trump Campaign just to give you a sense of how wrong, this past june when trump was behind in the polls we made him an offer that if he dropped out nbc would give him a 13episode show where he could play a fictional president. Now, because the show is on nbc, it would have to be called chicago president. [ light laughter ] and we thought he would jump at the opportunity because we thought he might not actually want to be president. Well after last nights results, i just want to say to donald trump, our offer still stands. [ laughter ] come on. [ cheers and applause ] you didnt think you didnt think you were going to win this thing either and im guessing that right now you are spinning out. Youre probably looking at a map of the United States and thinking, wait, how long does this wall have to be . And i cant imagine the people you had to call this morning to say, hey, i guess trump tv is on hold for now. Why . Because i have to be the president. Not to mention the fact that youre going to have to give Rudy Guilliani a job and then hang out with him and i dont have to tell you this, he is bat[ bleep ] crazy. [ laughter and applause ] youll come up with something. Just tell people you have Health Issues and cant do the job because for the last year we have only seen you eating out of bowls and buckets. We will believe that. So we are upping our offer to a 22 episode order and were giving you the coveted 10 00 p. M. Monday slot which means youll be on right after the voice. And this offer stands until inauguration day. Think about it. [ cheers and applause ] now, if your a hillary supporter last night was rough but there are a few good pieces of news. Tammy duckworth, an asianamerican war hero was elected to the senate in illinois. [ cheers and applause ] in minnesota, former refugee, ilhan omar became the first somaliamerican lawmaker in history. And in california [ scattered applause ] yeah. And in california, they legalized recreational weed and not a minute too soon. [ cheers and applause ] plus, legalizing recreational weed in california immediately cured everyone in the state of their glaucoma. [ laughter ] demackracy excuse me, democracy is a fantastic thing even when it doesnt go your way. It gives everyone in america a voice and last night those voices spoke so i want to say to president elect trump. Congratulations to melania and the new first family. Congratulations. And to Vladimir Putin and everyone in russia [ speaking russian ] [ laughter and applause ] in closing, donald trump made a lot of promises as to what hes going to do in the next four years and now we get to see if he will. 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Simulation complete. The new nissan rogue. Rogue one a star wars story. In theaters december 16th. Sing girl, come on. [ singing ] sorry, ariana you gotta go. Seriously . Verizon limits me and i gotta get home. Youre gonna choose navigation over me . Maps get up here. Umm. That way. Girl you better get on tmobile why pay more for data limits . Introducing tmobile one, unlimited data for everyone. Get four lines just 35 a month. Just how wet and sticky your current gel antiperspirant is. Now were going to show you how degree dry spray is different. Degree dry spray. Degree. It wont let you down. 3,2,1. Lumiere, action [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back to late night. How we doing guys . [ cheers and applause ] all right. Thats good to hear. In that case lets get to the news. Well, it looks like america has finally answered Jeff Foxworthys question. [ laughter ] donald trump won the president ial election last night, and then out of habit, Kellyanne Conway said no he didnt. No he didnt, anderson. After her stunning loss to donald trump, Hillary Clinton this morning delivered her concession speech. No, not that kind of concessions. Get out of here [ laughter ] president obama congratulated donald trump in a speech today, and reminded the country that we are all on the same team. Its just that now, half of us are on defense. [ laughter ] [ applause ] president obama has invited donald trump to the white house on thursday, to discuss transition plans and trump is pretty nervous. Hes never been to a black mans house before. [ laughter ] [ audience oohs ] yo house is very nice. Thats how you say it, right . Yo house . [ laughter ] donald trump will reportedly name his chief of staff in the next two weeks. He is looking for someone who can really putin the hours. [ laughter and applause ] apple began selling refurbished iphones in its online store yesterday. Which is good news, for the 40 Million People who smashed their screens last night. [ laughter ] voters [ applause ] voters in arizona, colorado, maine and washington, approved increases to minimum wage rates to at least 12 an hour by 2020. Which is good news for all those pollsters who will now be working at burger king. [ laughter ] [ scattered applause ] a chef in california recently started a catering business that serves dishes infused with marijuana. The chef said the Company Started as a joke, then got really scary, but then turned back to a joke again. [ laughter and applause ] and finally a game of thrones author george r. R. Martin posted a letter responding to last nights election, and ended it by writing winter is coming, i told you so. [ laughter ] said his fans, oh, so you have time to write a letter. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. I am so very happy. I feel like we have the perfect two guests for the kind of show we need to have this evening. First from the Wendy Williams show, Wendy Williams is here. [ cheers and applause ] and thats going to be straight up no election talk. If you are done with the election, you will enjoy me and Wendy Williams. Shes going to catch me up on pop culture. Its going to be great. Cause i have not been paying attention to that. [ light laughter ] then weve got emmy winning host of msnbcs all in with chris hayes. Hes back on the show. Were so excited for that. [ cheers and applause ] and all were going to do is talk about the election, so were getting right back into it. And then well have music from an incredible danish band, lukas graham is here. [ cheers and applause ] were very happy, about that. So lets get started. Our first guest tonight is a New York Times best selling author and host of the popular daytime talk show the Wendy Williams show which airs weekdays in syndication. Please welcome back to the show our friend, Wendy Williams, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth wendy. Oh, seth seth oh, im so happy to have your light, here in our studio tonight. Oh, thank you. Seth its great to have you. And youre such a busy person, and yet you made time for us. Well, seth, thank you for the invite. When you call i come running. Seth thank you so much. Through the traffic. Seth through the traffic. [ light laughter ] weve had, weve received complaints from new york city traffic controls. The traffic is crazy. Seth so, uh and im black, but i showed up on time. [ laughter ] seth oh, thank you so much. And thank you so much for that. Go us okay. Seth so, i want to ask you about this. cause, well, obviously we know youre a talk show host. We know youre an author. You have a new fashion line. Thats very exciting. Yeah on hsn. Seth okay. A Little Something its called the wendy seth you seem like youre underplaying it. Well, i mean, you know, its doing very well. Seth thats great. What kind of stuff is it . Um, outerwear. Dresses and shoes. And its doing very wonderful. And i have been there for almost two years now, and next time i go back is december 9th. Seth oh, thats great. Thank you for acknowledging, yes. Seth yeah, of course. Any time any of my friends have a fashion line, i acknowledge it. [ laughter ] well, let me tell you something, between doing that talk show, taking care of my family, and sitting at that sewing machine seth oh, yeah, cause thats making stuff. Seth cause you make every piece by yourself, right . Honey, let me tell you something. [ laughter ] what a mess. Seth whatever youre sewing, you cobble the shoes. Is that correct . Yes. Yes, seth. Seth yeah, people dont know that. But you are, you are a long time cobbler. [ light laughter ] yes, i am, seth. Seth your show i have done your show. Its fantastic. Thank you, seth. Seth you refer to the audience as your cohosts yes. Seth and i will say, it is a party. That atmosphere is a party. The building is walking. Seth and what do you call your fans . My wendy watchers. Seth wendy watchers. Yeah. I dont have like monsters, beehive, or whatever. Wendy watchers. Seth wendy watchers. And you also have some wendyisms. And right . Is that an accurate way to [ laughter ] why are you looking at them . Why are you looking away from because im so used to looking at cohosts. Im sorry. Seth oh, thats okay. No, look, if you gotta play to the audience. Its dark in there though. I cant even see you all. Seth theyre here. [ cheers and applause ] put some light on these people. Like im sorry, i know, you know, every host has a different kind of relationship with their audience. But its dark in there. I dont know what those, what are you all doing . [ laughter ] seth theyre i promise theyre behaving. You have to have it dark because this show is on at night. It would be weird. They could be fornicating and you wont know. [ laughter ] seth i hope theyre fornicating. But it at my show no, i love the proper d. J. I love a lot of base in my music. Seth theres a lot of base cause when youre in the dressing room, you feel like a neighbor who wants you to be quiet. The building is shaking. Seth yeah. Yes, yes. Seth okay, but i want to ask you about these wendyisms. Because i dont know a lot of these words. What they mean. Okay, really . Seth here we go. Wigation. Its the ation of wearing a wig. [ laughter ] ill use it in a sentence. Seth oh, please do. Oh my gosh, i love your hair. The wigation of it all. [ laughter ] [ applause ] seth fantastic. Yes. Seth i dont know if im going to have much need to use it. Wooation. Wooation. Oh my gosh. You are so cute. I would love to talk to you. The wooation of it all. [ light laughter ] i want to woo you, you woo me. Seth i see. Okay. Okay. Seth i think im, well now, i was about to say, i was about i said i thought i understood it now, but the very next one i dont. Plotation. Okay. Okay, you want a divorce . Then let me, come in here, and lets talk. You need a plotation. On how to get out of this mess. Seth this is a terrible example sentence. I dont understand it at all. [ laughter ] [ applause ] oh, yes you do. Oh, yes you do. Seth although, you are youre not using it in a sentence. Youre using it in a one act play. [ light laughter ] you come in here. What me . Yes, you. I want a divorce. A divorce, well, ill tell you something. Ill get a plotation before. Now youve got it seth okay, good. Youre my pupil. Seth im your pupil. Youre my pupil. [ talking over each other ] no, go ahead. You got another . Seth hackalation. Hackalation. Okay. Seth okay. Uh, excuse me. You said i sent that email. I didnt send that email. What the hackalation is going on. [ laughter ] seth so its the ation of being hacked . Heres the thing. Seth heres the thing. If you put ation on anything seth im starting to figure this out. It ramps it up. Seth it ramps it up. To the tenth power. Seth i see, i see. Just take anything. Seth okay. Like im going to the seth meyerzization seth oh. Of late night. Seth oh, gotcha. Yeah that roles off the tongue. Uhhuh. [ light laughter ] seth thats a, thats a much better than whatever people did before. Seth, webster does not always have it correct. Seth its true. We need more words. Seth wait, well you started your own dictionary. Well seth but i have something that i want to ask you. You used email in a sentence, but you in real life, true story, you do not use email. All right. Are you judging . Seth no, im asking. [ laughter ] seth this was not judgeation. cause we can fight this out. Seth there was no judgeation. Oh. [ cheers and applause ] seth if you got judgeation on me, i owe you an apologation. No, you know what, seth. Seth what . I have never sent or received an email in my life. Seth what . How . By the way, in this day and age, thats the smartest [ bleep ] thing you could do. Thank you. Seth yeah. Thank you. Seth where, where everyone is so smart, as to not have emails. What the falation . So why how do people get in touch with you . I mean, they call people around me and then people around me tell me who called. Seth okay, gotcha. And if youre really important to me then you know my cell number and you just call me directly. Seth whos really important . Who is somebody that has the cell number . My mom and dad. [ light laughter ] seth okay, thats nice. Our son. Seth okay, thats a good one. I only have 63 people. Seth in your phone . In my phone. Seth thats really, thats a great number. Thank you. Seth does anyone ever drop out . Or like, do you ever yeah, oh no, i edit constantly. Seth really . Are you serious . Seth whats your dream number . If you have 63 now. What would you love to have . Five. Seth five, yeah. [ laughter ] yeah. Yeah, you know what, i just find that, you know, a lot of people, because of the hackalation seth yeah. A lot of people do get in trouble for sending things they didnt really send. Seth yeah. And misconstruing words, and also im emotional. When i talk to you, i want to talk at you. Im not going to text you and im not going to email you, because you cant hear my emotions. If im going to call you and curse you out seth yeah. Im sorry. I dont mean to be all, you know, muscle face about it. Seth thats okay. [ laughter ] i thought, this was a, this was a muscle faced story you were trying to get across. Im sorry. Seth do whatever you want with the muscles in your face. This is im sorry. Seth this is as much your show as mine. Thank you, seth. Seth youre in the eighth season of your show. Do you ever watch it . Every day. Seth you do . I never watch mine. Wha youre lying. Seth im not. Its on too late. I go to bed. [ laughter ] so, yes, but you, you know, because we come on, were live out of new york at 10 00 a. M. But then we repeat here at 4 00 p. M. And then 5 00 p. M. Seth do you ever watch the same episode twice. Yes. Seth oh my god. [ laughter ] only because im looking for different things. Seth thats good. I host, but you know this, seth, can we talk . Seth please. Without without the laughter. Look, look i host but im also an executive producer. Seth right. And this is very important to me. I want to make sure that all, you know, things are in line. How was the lighting today . Seth i see. Then ill talk to the lighting person. How was my hair . Then ill talk to the hair person. Was the makeup off . Was my dress wrong . Was the guest not on point . Seth i see. Were the camera shots off . Oh, i am like this. I work way too hard. Im 52. Seth yeah, you look great. I worked thank you. I worked all my life though for this. [ scattered applause ] and i will not let anything slip under the carpet. Seth that is fantastic. I love your attention to detail. You, because you are such a pro, because youre such a practiced host, i would like to do, ask you a favor. Am i coming off mad . Seth no. Okay. Seth youre not coming off trust me. Today this is not mad, what youre doing. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] no ones, no ones gonna say, you know who lost their mind . Dont you just label me though as an a. B. W. Seth a. B. W . Angry seth yeah, gotcha. You know. Seth yeah, hey can we do something . Can we switch real quick and can you sit over here . cause i want to ask, have you tell me what . Seth well i want you to host for a second. Of course seth because [ cheers and applause ] well, i have uh, i have not been paying attention to pop culture at all. Testing, 1, 2, 3. Seth okay, great. Can i ask you about some pop culture stories and have you tell me about em . What are you doing . This doesnt work. Seth no its you have a microphone. Why do you want that one . Because this ones a good one. Seth thats just in case the other ones stop working. Thats the back up. Well, thats why you wear two mics, not one. You dont wear two mics . Seth no, i just wear one. I wear two mics. When i do our show, i look like the hunchback of notre dame. [ laughter ] i got so much stuff. All right, come on. Lets go. Seth all right. Uh, is something going on, tell me whats going go. Seth uh, prince harry. Is there something going on with prince harry . Prince harrys got a lovely new black girlfriend. Shes from crenshaw. Seth okay. And her mom is a yoga teacher. Seth okay. And her dad is filed for bankruptcy and lives in mexico. Seth oh my goodness. And she lives in toronto, where shes filming a hit show. Seth what hit show . Im not sure. Ive never seen it. Never heard of the girl. Seth not sure if its a hit. But i can tell you this. Shes beautiful seth shes beautiful. And theyre in like their second season. He fell in love with her. She was dating a short order cook. Not a cook like, you know, like, you know, mario batali. Seth batali. No, im talking about the one that fries an egg and toasts your english muffin in the morning. Seth so, do we think this is gonna work . Between the two of them . Well, she broke up with the cook. Girlfriend, i am rooting for you. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] go. Yes we can [ cheers and applause ] seth lil wayne, lil wayne in the news . Well, lil wayne has gone off the rails a bit. Seth okay. I do honestly without laughter from the cohosts, or what you call your beehive. Seth yeah. Okay. [ light laughter ] you all are going to stop, okay. Um, i think that lil wayne honestly is going through a Britney Spears umbrella at the volkswagen moment. Seth oh, okay. A Justin Bieber walking offset. I think that, you know, its all getting to him. And he needs a rest. Seth okay. So we should all send our best thoughts to lil wayne. Yes, yes. Seth okay good. Thats good to know. Yes. Seth mariah carey. All right, lil wayne done, mariah carey. Not getting married. Seth okay, are we happy about that . Um, yes. Well better to break up before the marriage seth yeah, thats true. Than have all of that complication. Seth yeah, thats true. And no she does not deserve 50 million. I feel like mariah, you know, i understand people with eccentric behavior. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] however, its only cute to a point. Seth yeah. When you get in the house with your wife, you know what im saying . Seth sure. Do you really want her teetering and dolling you with a pinky out all night long or do you just want her to put on your jersey from college, and watch a game . Seth ideally i like the jersey, the game, and the pinky. [ laughter ] um, this is very important to me, because i feel like ive completely missed this. I feel like theres some news about weeknds hair. Okay. Well, the weeknd seth the weeknd, yeah. The weeknd changed his hair. Now, i change mine often seth yeah. But also i am of a particular stature so i feel like even when i change my hair, people are always like, wendy is that you . I could wear a baseball cap, i could wear a purple wig cut like moe from the three stooges, people still recognize. But i feel like weeknd is a really random looking guy when he takes his hair off, and its too soon in his career. Seth oh, i see. You know what im saying, seth . Seth yeah. You have to wait for your, beehive to get to know you first. Seth i see. Before you start flipping your look. Seth yeah, so he flipped his look too fast. Too fast. Seth gotcha. Otherwise do you like the hair cut . Oh, i do. Oh, hes adorable. Seth good, good. Oh, yes. Seth so, its just about the timing. Its not about the style. Right. Seth okay, i gotcha. Oh, god. Im exhausted. [ laughter ] am i who else is coming on our show tonight everyone . Seth give it up for Wendy Williams, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] the Wendy Williams show airs weekdays. Check your local listings and times. Well be right back with chris hayes. [ cheers and applause ] and let roomba help with your everyday messes. A full suite of sensors automatically guides roomba throughout your home. Cleaning under furniture, along edges, and in corners. And roombas patented 3stage cleaning system agitates, brushes and suctions dirt from your floors for up to 2 hours, recharging itself when it needs to. Which means your floors are always clean. You and roomba, from irobot. Better. Together. One smart choice leads to the next. The new 2017 ford fusion is here. Its the beauty of a wellmade choice. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. And please give it up for the 8g band right over there. Also here to sit in with the fantastic 8g band hes the highly respected drummer from steely dan and has a record out now called city of cranes from his new group band of other brothers, Keith Carlock everybody. Thank you so much. Thanks, seth. Thank you for having me. Seth our next guest is the emmy winning host of all in with chris hayes which airs weeknights at 8 pm on msnbc. Please welcome back to the show our friend chris hayes. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome to the show. How are you . Seth you were a busy man last night. Sure was. Seth and i want to talk about everything that happened but first i want to take a moment because you did not have a lot of time to enjoy it before the election. Your chicago cubs won the world series. Congratulations. I [ cheers and applause ] yes. There are a lot of cubs fans who are wondering whether that is what made last night happen. Seth sure, the trigger. That was the trigger to this all. Well, you know, god gives with one hand, takes the other. Seth yeah [ laughter ] i think is the biblical verse. Seth so, you know you know, here we are. Do you this is not were not talking about the cubs anymore . Seth no weve moved on. Oh, okay, okay. Seth so this do you have a theory as to what happened . Because obviously this is not what people predicted going into the night. I mean, they predicted yeah. Seth something close but maybe not obviously this result. So what is your theory as to what happened . You know, i think, look it is over determined in certain ways. Seth sure. Theres a million things happen to bring about this moment. The most succinct explanation is that several million voters mostly White Working Class voters from pennsylvania up through ohio, michigan and wisconsin who had voted for barack obama, voted for donald trump. I mean, thats what happened. Seth yeah. In a narrow political analysis sense. In a broader sense, we have seen this roiling crisis of authority in the country. We have seen elites fail. We have seen people that were supposed to know what they were talking about not know what they were talking about time and time and time again and it has created this chasm of distrust into which has entered donald trump. Seth and you actually wrote a book called twilight of the elites which talked about a lot of this. That strangely predicted a lot of this and you just mentioned distrust and there is a core distrust of the media, of our leaders, of even military leaders. Like theres in what does that trust ever come back or is it lost . Thats in some ways the project, right . I mean, the project has to be Building Back up some of that very necessary trust. Now a healthy distrust is good. Right . Seth mhmm. And i think a lot of people learn that with the war in the iraq or the financial crisis, right . I mean there was a lot of really smart authoritative people saying weve got these models about housing derivatives and believe us this is going to work. Theyre wrong. But when you, sort of, weaponize that distrust. When you spread it everywhere, you actually lose the ability to form knowledge. And i mean this in a really literal sense. Like, the things that you seth meyers know are actually just things that you read or heard from a trusted source. Seth mhmm. You know, like you havent conducted the experiments, right . Seth no. No field work. You have not done the field work. You know it because of trust and when that gets severed you end up in a situation in which the entire Public Discourse goes completely, completely haywire. Seth you know, you mentioned the financial crisis and the housing crisis and that swath of this country that you just mentioned that went from obama to trump, do you think thats one of the core reasons that just not enough was done for those people . Yeah, i think thats it. I think its also you cant talk about the race without talking race. Seth mhmm. I mean, trump ran on an explicitly nationalist sort of white identity politics run and that had a lot to do it with too. So you cant divorce these two. Theres huge fights happening now with people. Seth of course. About which of these two it was. I think both of them together particularly in that region of the country was a lot of what did it. Seth trump himself has been calling himself mr. Brexit which is a very catchy nickname. Yes. [ light laughter ] seth how much because it seems like such a direct parallel. It is striking. I mean, the biggest parallel are these, you have both in brexit and in trump here a sort of popular front across these different strains of society. Newspaper editorials. Fortune 500 ceos, leaders of major parties saying do not. No. Absolutely not. This is nuts. This is nuts. And the voters saying no. No, we want this. Now one little thing we should say is that Hillary Clinton is going to end up with more votes than donald trump. Seth mhmm. And its a little weird to analyze the race as producing some huge mandate when like more people will have voted for Hillary Clinton than will have voted for donald trump. Seth sure. But in both cases you had this kind of all of the gate keepers saying to voters, believe me you want to do this. And voters saying yeah. Seth well they effectively did that i think. I mean, yeah. Seth the other thing, i guess now, is you look at obamas legacy what of his accomplishments is now most at risk . Do we see the end of obamacare . Yeah. I mean, were gonna see they will move very quickly to repeal obamacare theres a question about whether theyll do it through reconciliation which is a process that allows them to kind of move around the filibuster. You know, one of the things i think to think about is what happens after every election, i remember in 2004 it was republicans were going to rule forever and two years later they lost the house in a landslide. Seth mhmm. In 2008 it was democrats have all three branches of government. Republicans are an extinct species and six months later the tea party, right . If they kick 20 Million People off of healthcare there will be a political reaction to that. The way this country works divided as we are as polarized as we are every action produces an opposite reaction and so theres a lot on the chopping block. Theyre gonna go after financial reforms, obamacare, the iran deal, the executive orders that keep people in this country who are brought here as children, the climate accords. All of that is going to go, boom boom boom boom boom. But also all of that will be met with political resistance. Seth i want to shift to away from this just so we can end on anything else. [ laughter ] was i that bad . Seth just anything else. No [ cheers and applause ] look this is this is not your fault. But, you know, i do want to talk about real quick, because we mentioned races and the dividing of it. And obviously trump ran a campaign that had a lot of racist rhetoric. How do we frame all the people that voted for trump . Because a lot of those people are not racist. Yeah, i think i dont think talking about the people that voted for trump as racist or not is useful. Seth i agree. I think politics is addition and not subtraction. So if youre not on the side of trump, i think stigma or sort of calling people racist is probably not productive. Also though people shouldnt get it twisted. About calling what he represented and what he called for what it was. Seth yeah. He wanted to ban a million muslims from the country. If you get up and you say i want to ban all the jews from coming into the country. People know what that means. That doesnt go away. That doesnt get erased. It got taken off his website today. No one has to be shy about calling that what it is. Seth yeah. People vote for candidates for all kinds of reasons. The voters are our fellow citizens. Seth yeah. And, you know, people are adults. They have to be held to account and responsible for the vote they cast and what they do as citizens but also. I think folks should focus their analysis, their frustration, their anger, their political motivation at the folks with power because there are a lot of them to focus on now. Seth so moving on so you in high school. Yes. Seth you went to high school with Linmanuel Miranda. Yeah have you heard of him . Seth i have, yeah. [ cheers and applause ] thats so weird you know about him. Seth i just heard about him. Hes in falsettos right . Yes. Yeah. Seth you but you directed him in high school . I directed i directed the first ever Linmanuel Miranda musical. Seth what was his first ever musical about . It was called nightmare in d major. Seth okay. It was the protagonist who had a nightmare that involved a love he had lost and the villain was the small fetal pig that you dissect in biology class in high school. Seth yeah. And he wrote it for in high school we were very good friends. We did High School Theater together and he wrote it for our sort of student produced Theater Group and its the first musical he ever wrote and i directed it. Seth that sounds better than hamilton. Well that is an incredible check in your legacy. So look we have you have that its the most important thing ive ever done. Seth you have that. That was great. Yeah. Seth you have the cubs that was great. Yes. Seth two out of three. Yeah, exactly. Seth two out of three, chris. Chris hayes, everybody. All in airs weeknights on msnbc. Well be right back with lukas graham. [ cheers and applause ] remember 2007 . Smartphones . O m g ten years later, nothings really changed. Its time to snap out of it. Hello moto. Snap on a jbl speaker. A projector. A camera that actually zooms. Its a phone you can change again and again and again. Hello moto. Get excited world. Moto is here. The new moto z with motomods. 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