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Derek law worked a perfect eighth inning, three up, three down. Slider is taken off the outside. Ball three. Dodgers are leading 70 in the top of the ninth inning in l. A. 31 the count to arenado. Popup. Hundley. He handles it. One away. 31 count to one of the most dangerous, most powerful hitters in the game, and he fouled him out to the catcher. Its an 0 for 4 for arenado in san francisco. So the giants really pitched him well tonight. Hes been so hot against him especially the at least two, three years. Its like, what a great night we had. Exactly. Thats how good hes been. Strike one to mark reynolds. Arizona just scored in the ninth inning, so thats 71. Joe panik, two down. Tomorrow, matt moore versus tyler chatwood. Its a 105 on sunday. T Antonio Senzatela tomorrow. It will be span. And the giants even up the series with an 82 victory, and another win for johnny cueto. His third start. Each start of his has followed a giants loss and his record goes to 30. He was stellar. And the big inning was when the giants had a 40 lead, a botched play, could have had a double play, could have ended it, he pitched through and got that job done. What a tremendous win for him and this team. And home runs for marrero and crawford. Tune in the sports net central giants edition. Well be back with you on nbc bay area and the giants Television Network a week from wednesday for the giants and the dodgers. From my crew, im john miller saying good night from at t park, the final again, giants, 8, colorado 2. Livestream your favorite sport, at the airport. Binge dvrd shows, while painting your toes. On demand laughs, during long bubble baths. Tv on every screen is awesome. The allnew Xfinity Stream app. All your tv at home. The most on demand, your entire dvr, top networks, and live sports on the go. Included with xfinity tv. Xfinity the future of awesome. Maybe. That a detective should lean on her profound catholic faith, to help solve crimes, but Julissa Trapp does. Cases dont always get solved in 48 hours, you know . Surprise, surprise. They take time and they take work. And that little rosary helps you. It does. Reporter if she could solve this case, shed give that rosary to the dead womans family. But first she had figure out who it was, from just one identifying mark on her neck. A tattoo, jodi. Was that her name . Reaching now, detective trapp pulled up the Anaheim Police departments database of tattoos. Yes, they have one, descriptions of tattoos collected from anyone they encounter. And, what do you know, there was a match. But her name was not jodi, it was jarrae. Jarrae estepp, she was 21yearsold. She had been contacted the year prior here in anaheim on beach boulevard. Reporter beach boulevard . Suddenly detective trapps case took on a whole new complexion. If you want to buy drugs, beach boulevards where you come, if you are looking for a girl, beach boulevards where you come. A lot of em came from good, stable families that just happened to run into the wrong guy, who uhhuh. Somehow got em into the job. I mean, these pimps are really good about breaking down the women and getting control over them. Making them a prime target for predators. A lot of predators will start with prostitutes, because they think that people wont miss them. Somebody does. Yes, somebody does. Somebody did. Reporter like jarraes mother. Who, records revealed, lived in a tiny town in oklahoma. That tattoo on jarraes neck . This is jodi. And even before the detective got the words out. I felt it, that she was gone. Reporter her daughter had been so happy, so charming, outgoing. But then, said jodi, a boyfriend convinced jarrae that, to please him, shed have to turn tricks. This is jarrae. He just honked trying to get her attention. Reporter johntv, a selfproclaimed video Vigilante Group in oklahoma city, caught her on camera back in 2012. But jarrae left the boyfriend, turned her life around so jodi thought, and then that awful phone call from detective trapp. I was screaming, like, screaming. Reporter the detective made a promise to that mother, didnt matter what choices jarrae may have made, she the detective, would work this case as hard as any she ever had. We literally went from each little motel to each little motel showing her picture. And having the clerk run her name to see if she had stayed there. And eventually she found the room where jarrae had been staying, in which were 700 in cash and mascara, lipstick, contact lens solution, but nothing whatever to lead her to a suspect. Reporter not here, anyway. From the Disposal Company she got a list of the dumpsters those garbage trucks had serviced that morning, then she and other officers went dumpster diving. Hundreds of dumpsters. What would you be looking for . They were all given pictures of what the trash looked like that was around her. If it looked similar, take pictures of whats inside. Reporter no luck. Waste of time. And then, back on the conveyor belt, an odd thing turned up in the trash collected near jarraes body. We got a print hit. Youre talking about a fingerprint here . A fingerprint, yes. Reporter it was on a caulking tube, and it matched someone. A window installer who worked for a Company Called hardy windows. He tells us, we never throw trash out at customers homes. We always bring it back to hardy windows. Reporter where they found one dumpster no one had checked. The trash company, inadvertent, had left it off the list they gave the police. Detective trapp looked inside. Its that same blue plastic wrapping, and it was almost like i was looking at the same trash i had seen on the conveyor belt. Bingo. And if not for that lucky fingerprint, theyd have missed it. What was that like . It was a combination of frustration, but okay, all right, were were moving somewhere. 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Reporter detective Julissa Trapp couldnt sleep, kept awake by the puzzle of the girl someone threw away in the trash. Thats when something jogged her restless mind. Hadnt some young women vanished in the town next door, santa ana . We were like, well, you know, what are the odds that theyre related . Reporter so she looked them up and learned about kianna jackson, just 20 years old when she disappeared five months before jarraes death. Her mom is Kathy Menzies. She was just a very funloving child. Always made you laugh. Reporter just look at her childhood photos. That silly grin. She loved her dog, her little brother, playing softball. And then it started happening, said kathy. Eighth grade or so. She was kind of getting, you know, typical teenage. You know, mouthy. And then, you know, high school came, getting around the older kids, she kind of got a little, you know, worse. Reporter how did you cope with that . One day at a time. Love her as much as i could is was about the only thing. Reporter after high school kianna went to college, about a threehour drive from home. A year later, she moved to las vegas. But, though far from home now, she got closer and closer to her mom. She would call me every day, talk to me every day, you know, text message. Reporter she was just a loving daughter. Yeah. I didnt think anything bad was happening. Reporter no idea. Even in october 2013, when kianna called to say she was on the bus towards santa ana. Reporter did she tell you why visiting friends is what she told me. Reporter but then, the girl who called her mother almost daily stopped calling. Anything over a day or two, i would start going, wait a second. This isnt right. Somethings not right. I would text her. And she would text right back. But this time, nothing. Nothing. Reporter gone. Not a peep to her mom, to her friends, to her boyfriend. Kathy went to the police. When i called to file a missing persons report, they said, shes an adult. And and theres nothing we can do for you. Reporter but you when reporter you knew that there was a problem. Yeah. Reporter so kathy started doing her own digging tracked her daughter down to a motel in Orange County, where the trail ended. Her clothes were there, but she wasnt. Again, she called the police. And they said, well, that happens. Sometimes prostitutes just work circuits. Reporter prostitute . And at first, i was like, no, w okay. No. That that cant be. Reporter but then, the truth came crashing down, undeniable. Kianna had missed a scheduled court date in santa ana for a prostitution charge. But wait a minute, you talked to her every day. That reporter texted with her this is reporter all the time. Exactly. And she reporter and you knew nothing of this secret life of hers . Nope. Nothing. Reporter what does it feel like as a mother to hear that has been going on all that time and you didnt know . Heartbreaking. Reporter when she heard kathys story, detective trapp began to think she was on to something. And then she discovered that just two and a half weeks after kianna disappeared, there was another one josephine monique vargas. She had a beautiful personality. They used to call her giggles cause she always made people laugh. Reporter josephines mother priscilla had been on the local news, searching for answers for months, ever since her daughter left a family bbq, telling them she was walking to buy groceries. Thats the last time we any of us heard of her or saw her. Reporter priscilla went to the Santa Ana Police department, filled out a report. But they didnt really do anything to look for her. Reporter so she did. Nothing was gonna stop me from looking for my daughter. Nothing or no one. Reporter and it was pure chance when priscilla ran into another mother desperate to find her daughter. Martha. 28 years old, and a mother herself, who just vanished one day. Theres no way she would have left. To just say im going and im leaving everything behind. Reporter so marthas mother herlinda and priscilla went together up and down the boulevard. We made thousands of fliers. Me and her were on our mission to find our daughters. Reporter but no sign of their daughters anywhere. Detective trapp collected their portraits, hung them on her office wall, and she stayed awake, and prayed in her catholic way. Do you ever wonder why god would allow this to happen . I do. Theres been plenty of times that ive been angry with our maker because you have to wonder why does this happen. I mean, i wish he would talk back to me and tell me, that would be very helpful. But i just have to figure out what happened. Just read the clues, collect the puzzle pieces, and the more you can kind of keep a neutral mind, the easier the puzzle pieces fit together. Reporter no getting around it the pieces pointed to a chilling conclusion. Those three missing women, like jarrae, may have been murdered. And if that was true, it would mean there was a serial killer out there in the night. Had to be. More deaths would be coming, unless one idea. It was grasping at straws, yes, but you know what, it might work now. Why not . Its its a hail mary, but lets try it. Coming up. All sex offenders who are on patrol will have a gps mitor. Is it two killers . In the same car. They were in the same vehicle. When dateline continues. Hal for sudden breathing problems. Breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. Breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. Breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a longterm asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. 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Reporter one wrong turn, and you never know, huh . Yeah. Reporter but almost three weeks in detective Julissa Trapp seemed stuck. I think she got a little frustrated, and got a little desperate, and came up with the idea of using the computer database. Reporter that is the computer database of sex offenders. If they had a serial killer on their hands, there was at least a chance hed already run afoul of the law at some point. It was a bit like just poking a finger into the haystack frankly and hoping to encounter a needle. But worth a try. So trapp called this woman. Sexual assault detective laura lomeli. All sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a gps monitor. Reporter trapp asked lomeli, were any of those gps monitors here, where jarrae placed her last phone call or here, where she wound up in a dumpster . And, if you find the same guy at both locations, youre getting somewhere . Uhhuh. Reporter lomeli ran the search and what were the chances she got a hit. In both locations. She called detective trapp. Theres only one person. Shes like, i know him. I said, who . And shes all, his names franc cano, hes a registered sex offender. Reporter in 2007, franc cano pleaded guilty to committing a lewd act on a minor. He was now on parole wearing a gps monitor. But now next question, did franc canos monitor put him near the places those other three women, according to phone records made their last calls kianna, josephine, and martha . One by one, the detective entered the coordinates. And every intersection for the that date and time that they gave me, franc cano came up. Reporter wow. For every single intersection. It was it was sh i was shocked. Reporter but something about that man, franc cano. He had a buddy. And lomeli had run into them both. I mentioned, you know, i do know that he has a friend thats Steven Gordon. Reporter Steven Gordon. Hed done time for molesting a minor and later for kidnapping. He and cano were inseparable apparently. Once again, detective lomeli pulled up the gps coordinates. She checked the place martha was last seen in santa ana and . No gordon. Not there. But when she checked locations for kianna and josephine sure enough there he was. So why not at that first location . She checked the record and discovered that at that particular moment gordon wasnt on a gps monitor, but he was wearing one at the other three places and so was cano. The electronics made it absolutely obvious here they were cano and gordon driving together up and down beach boulevard and all around santa ana and anaheim. I mean, even when theyre on the freeway reporter they were in the same car . They were in the same vehicle. Reporter Julissa Trapp had prayed for a hail mary, but she never expected anything like this. I soon realized, im not just dealing with one, were dealing with two. Two sex offenders wearing gps bracelets. Reporter but for all the electronic cross referencing, the case against cano and gordon was purely circumstantial. Detective trapp could not arrest them. Not without more evidence. And that was terrifying. I mean, there were young women who were at real risk here. Yes. Reporter and if you waited too long yes. Reporter how would you feel if somebody else was attacked . Let me just say, there were a lot of rosaries that were being prayed, for sure. Reporter she set up a Surveillance Team to watch cano and gordon around the clock. And got authorizations for wire taps and pulled cell phone records. When we started reading the Text Messages and started seeing how prolific they were at hunting. Reporter hunting . Hunting, on almost a daily basis and how nonchalant they were about it. It was almost like ordering takeout. When you start reading, what do you feel like today, asian or mexican . Reporter oh, boy. What would they call these girls . That was the other thing, cats. Reporter cats . Cat. Be careful, when the cat knows it isnt getting away, its going to fight. Reporter the next victim couldnt be far away. Because gordon texted cano, kitty cat later yes. To which cano responded, ok. And then a sudden change had they spotted the surveillance . Reporter as trapp listened to the wiretap she heard gordon talk to cano about skipping town. I could hear the desperation in franc canos voice. That desperation just kind of sent a hair on the back of my neck and i said, no, im not waiting anymore. Reporter theyre going to run. Theyre going to run. Reporter time to move. Fast. They caught up to franc cano as he was boarding a bus and Steven Gordon . They found him where he worked an auto body shop next door to hardy windows. But he made a run for it. And reporter ran out the door . On a bicycle, yes. He had a little collision with one of our surveillance units and a little flying over the handle bars. And he was taken into custody. 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Not good news at all. Anaheim police told her that two men, franc cano and Steven Gordon, were now under arrest for the murder of her daughter and three other young women in Orange County. What were you like that night . I just wanted to sleep. I wanted to, like, go to sleep, and wake up, and pinch myself, and and make it a different world. Exactly. Reporter detective Julissa Trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course. But cano lawyered up. So she tried gordon, still in a wheelchair after his bike accident. Hi steven. Hi. How are you . I knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. Hes cunning, manipulative. He didnt have to talk to you. He did not have to talk to me. Are you cold . Do you want a blanket . Yeah. If you dont mind. No, not at all. Reporter but detective trapp has a way, as they say. You were actually compassionate. Thank you. Youre welcome you were kind to him, you brought him a blanket, food . Here is our chips. Thank you. Yes. We actually shared two meals together. It is spicy. I told you. I told you to be careful. Reporter even so, gordon was reluctant at first. I cant talk to you. Would you rather talk to somebody else . I dont wanna talk to anybody. He watched me very carefully. If i swallowed too hard, if i looked at him differently, you know, he would say whats wrong. You got a weird look on your face when i said, where, why . When i said where . So it was constantly trying to keep a poker face to continue to elicit information from him and did he try to play you, sort of oh, i think he definitely thinks he did, for sure. Reporter but bit by bit, she pulled out answers for herself and for those four mothers. Does she go by the name, kayla . It starts with a k, kianna. No, she told me her name was kayla. Reporter detective trapp presented him with photographs. He identified all four women. So her, her, her, right . Reporter each murder went the same way, he said. He and cano picked them up in his suv, drove them back to the auto body shop where gordon worked. They took turns having their way. And then, just as each woman prepared to leave i strangled her with my hands. You strangled her . Reporter some of the details in that 13 hour interview were almost more than even a seasoned detective could stand to hear. As he was hurting martha, she told him, i didnt believe in god, but i do now. There is a part of me thats grateful that she found god at the end. Its disturbing to me that in response, he said, you picked a hell of a time to start believing in god. Ill never forget that. Reporter but she had it, a full confession. She called jarraes mother, jodi. I dropped to my knees. Detective trapp gave me her word that she would find who killed my daughter. Reporter detective trapp had kept her word. Now she bought three more rosaries and wondered, could she bring those women home . Gordon had told her all of them had been left in the same dumpster, contents of which were brought here, Orange Countys brea olinda landfill. Where, except for jarrae, they all still were, in there somewhere. We did a lot of research and we had every intention to try to dig for them. Reporter but the bodies had to be 40 feet deep by now. Digging for them would cost millions. They might never be found. And the county couldnt afford that. And theyre theyre just over there somewhere, 40 feet down. Whats that like . Whats that feel like . Its frustrating. Its frustrating knowing that theyre here and we cant bring them home. That its like the one thing that the mothers want. And i get it, and to not be able to do that, it feels its incomplete. Does it drive you crazy . Yes, it does. Reporter Kathy Menzies knows, logically, her daughter kianna must be dead. But how to truly accept it without her body. I would go there today and start digging if they would let me. Matters, doesnt it . It does matter. Getting her back. Yeah. you give birth to them. You gotta see them right through to the end. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Reporter in an attempt to make sense of it all, kathy asked detective trapp and her partner bruce linn to drive her to the place where the killers had picked up kianna. You wanted to go this last spot. Why . May i ask why . Kind of because it was, like, the last known spot that she was at that i was told she was alive at that spot. So kind of a closure, you know, just to see where she was at when before they took her. Reporter broke her heart to do it. Take this tour of her daughters last hours. I think this is the deadend street that gordon and cano entered and turned around and somewhere in in here was where she was at. This little intersection right here is where she was at. Reporter just an ordinary place, but so painful. Ga008 interview it was hard. Its difficult to see. I mean its not what i expected, the area. I mean, you know, of course, what she was doing is no mothers wish. But just to see this area, to know that it wasnt what i envisioned. It wasnt a dirty, dark, nasty, gross area. Reporter kathy found some peace in that. The knowing. The seeing. But why kiannas life was taken, so much harder to comprehend. I dont think ill ever be able to accept it. Its hard. Its hard. Reporter criminal trials are one way the grieving find answers. And with a confession on tape, the trial of Steven Gordon looked like a formality. Or so the prosecutor might have hoped. And then the judge made that ruling. Oh boy. Coming up, a suspected serial killer acting iz his own attorney turns the case upside down. Its the piece and now its gone. When dateline continues. Whens the last time anyone on the internet agreed on anything . That was a rhetorical question. The answer is never. Its your tv, take it with you. With directv now and at t, get the ultimate in Entertainment Plus unlimited data. 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Reporter Orange County deputy da larry yellin liked his chances against accused serial killer Steven Gordon. Especially when gordon decided to act as his own defense attorney. Hes very bright very bright. Reporter smart enough to know he shouldnt oughta be doin that sorta thing . Definitely smart enough to know that he shouldnt be representing himself. Reporter but, expectation can be a dangerous thing. Before the trial even began, gordon struck the prosecutors case a major blow. Remember that moment early in his interview when he seemed to reject detective trapps questioning. I cant talk to you. Would you rather talk to somebody else . I dont wanna talk to anybody. Reporter gordon argued that continuing the interview at that point was a miranda violation. Even though detective trapp had read him his rights at the outset. The judge agreed. Ruled that the jury could not see a frame of gordons confession. When he makes the ruling that its out, its a punch in the stomach. Reporter oh man. cause what are you missing then . Everything . Well, a confession. Its the piece that brings everything together, and focuses on the four girls. And now it was gone. All of these women have a special meaning for me. And when it got thrown out, i had a really hard time. Reporter but then gordon asked for a meeting, and sprang another surprise. He wanted yellin to drop the rape charges. And what would he give you in return . He said, ill give you a statement that you can use against me in this case. Okay mr. Gordon. Reporter and so on the eve of trial, detective trapp once again sat facetoface with Steven Gordon. And he once again took her through each crime. Fair to say that your intention was to pick up a prostitute and ultimately kill her . Yes. Okay. Reporter that was played for the jury. And then . How bizarre was this. Gordon suddenly decided he wanted the jury to hear his first confession too. Which meant that the mothers had to hear every graphic detail of their daughters murders. And then, i thought, maybe i prayed that rosary a little too hard, because now weve got two statements in. Reporter the jury wasted no time convicting gordon of four counts of murder. They recommended the death penalty. For four mothers, a measure of justice. Kathy menzies had sat through the entire trial. As brutal as it was. What has it done to your understanding of human beings . Theyre evil. Theres lots of evil in this world. Lots of it. Reporter the mothers will have to sit through another trial, franc cano is still waiting for his. Hes pleaded not guilty. But for detective trapp, there was a measure of relief. And finally, she gave those rosaries to four grieving mothers. Its interesting to discover in this line of work that homicide detectives are actually softies. I think that the more you allow yourself to feel, the better youre going to be as a detective. And we have to go to the dark places in order to find answers. The quicker we can get in and out, you know, the better it is for all of us. Reporter answers from dark places. We went to the jail where gordon was kept before his transfer to death row. Here he was, a man who claimed to know the nature of his evil acts. But, did he, we wondered. I screwed up. Reporter is screwed up the right expression to use . Probably not. I just didnt want to say what i really think. Reporter well, why dont you . Its its beyond evil, what happened. What what me and him did was beyond evil. Reporter but, then came, sure enough, the excuse. Hes worked it out in his head that the parole system is somehow to blame for his crimes. After all, as sex offenders, he and franc cano shouldnt have been permitted to be together. That was a parole violation. And the fact that their parole officers didnt prevent that violation, he said, means the state is responsible. We chose to be together. Yeah. But we were allowed. Theres a difference. Reporter but no, no, no, i mean i are you three . What do you mean . Reporter thats what little kids say to their parents. You let me do a bad thing. Its your fault. No, i didnt say they let us do a bad thing. I said they let us sleep and hang out at the same spot. And they did. Beside what anybody believes reporter youre gonna parse that argument . I until the day i die because i know for a fact its true. Reporter what i wanna know is because thats on you, what was goin on in your head to make you want to do it . To participate in whatever way you participated, to get whatever thrill you what was the thrill . What was it . I dont think there was a thrill. Well, if theres no thrill, whyd you do it . Theres no thrill in watching women die like that. But im gonna go back to it again and again. It was my anger issues that i have from everything that happened while we were on parole and probation. 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