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Was it money . Or maybe revenge . There was a thick file of possible suspects. He could definitely have a laundry list of people who would want to kill him. But was his killer an enemy . Or a friend . Those could be fighting words for someone. Pretty strong words for somebody would get quite upset. And the mystery that haunts a small southern town is a killer still walking free . I always say tick, tock, clocks tickin. Youre coming . Were coming. And we aint giving up. Im lester holt and this is dateline. Heres andrea canning. York, south carolina. A town steeped in American History and southern manners, its charm as deeply embedded as the pride of the people who live here. Its a nice southern town. Its very quiet. Its not the sort of place youd expect evil to come knocking. My life just changed, forever. And these are not the sort of people youd expect to be victims of a vicious crime. Hes a prominent man in a small town. Shes a good christian woman, sweet southern belle. And in the end, what would forever haunt this Peaceful Place was the who and the why of it all. Shock. Complete shock. It all started around dinnertime, february 4th, 2010. On the outskirts of town, at the end of a long winding driveway. York county 911. You need police, fire, medical . It was 7 30 p. M. When the call came in to police dispatch. Listen to me carefully. Ive been robbed. He tied me up. Between sobs, a female caller described her brutal attack. She begged for help. Oh, please, please come help me police on duty raced through the rainy night, dashboard cam rolling, expecting to investigate a robbery. But what they found had detective billy mumaws phone ringing as he sat down to dinner. I was called at home and told that they i needed to come in. Theres a robbery that occurred. When the detective went up the driveway to the back of the house, he discovered a woman, huddled in her car. She had been bound in duct tape. I walked up to the car and i noticed that she had duct tape around her head. She also still had some duct tape around her wrists. And not more than a few feet from this blue and white suburban, police found a bloodied and lifeless grayhaired man. It was a bit of a shock for detective mumaw. The victim was someone he knew well. It was pretty surreal. The man on the ground was Melvin Roberts, and everyone knew him. He was a former mayor of york, one of the towns wealthiest businessmen and a legendary defense attorney. Id had a few cases with him. Kind of a stern man but always friendly. And the woman who had called police to the scene was Julia Phillips, melvins longtime girlfriend. She was worried that melvin was dead. She said she didnt know what had happened to him. Investigators at the scene told julia the devastating news. Melvin had been murdered. Is that a little jolt, Melvin Roberts is the victim . Yeah. Because melvins not the type of a person to be a victim of anything. Melvin was the longestpracticing lawyer in south carolina. He had defended both the rich and poor for 55 years. He almost sounds like a bit of a small town celebrity, whether he liked it or not. The thing about melvin is he was into everything. He was so influential, the street where he lived was named after him. Roberts avenue. A true renaissance man devoted to his family. He was everything to me. He was my best friend. He was my mentor. Melvin had two sons, david and ronnie. He was instrumental in making me into who i am. The three men shared an unusually strong bond. Dad, david and myself, it was our normal routine to have lunch every day. You all sound thick as thieves, the three of you. Absolutely. The last thing i did every day, before i went out, was i gave dad a big hug and kiss on the cheek and tell him i love him. And he told me the same thing, every single day. He loved to take me out to the farm. Melvins only grandchild, emily roberts, recalled how her granddad had a way of keeping his family close. We would always go vacationing in different countries, fishing in costa rica for my graduation from college or scuba diving in bonaire. And just really bonding to the. It was quite an amazing relationship. And then there was julia. She and melvin started dating ten years earlier. He was divorced, and she had recently been widowed. Did they quickly become a fixture around town . Yes. Immediately. He adored her, and she adored him. She loves to travel. Shes spunky. Shes fun. What he thought was his perfect match. She fit right in to this tightknit family. She was bubbly. She was a good cook. Yeah, thats a plus. A way to a mans heart. Thats right, or a woman. They became a team. Melvin even helped julia start her own business. He eventually bought her her own store so that she could sell her cosmetics and womens clothing. She opened the store in gaffney, a nearby town where she had grown up. She called it julias. So she started to become kind of part of the family . Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were really happy for dad. But now everything had changed. As investigators worked the crime scene, york police captain, Tommy Jenkins knocked on ronnies door. He says, ronnie, i gotta tell you something. He said, your fathers dead. And i said, no, tommy, thats not true. And he said, no, ronnie. Its your father. You know, ive known him most of my life, and its him. Ronnie and his brother david drove to their Fathers House hoping it was all a mistake. As you round the curb, you can see all the way up the street and it was just nothing but blue lights, and thats when you know. That aint any good. The brothers couldnt get any further than the bottom of the driveway. The home theyd grown up in was now a crime scene. I look over to the sign and i see coroner written on the back. And thats when you know that he aint coming back. As the news of julias attack and melvins murder spread, so too did fear. If it could happen to this prominent couple, who might be next . Someone came here with the intention to murder him. And then im thinking, this person is still on the loose. You know, are we safe . Police had one thing going for them. A witness. Later that night, still wrapped in duct tape, julia told detectives the story of melvins murder. It appeared to be a robbery gone bad. And he pushed me back down to the ground and hes saying, ill kill you. But there was a lot investigators didnt have. This wouldnt be an easy murder to solve. Everything was taken from the scene. There was no cutting instrument. No rolls of tape. No guns. Nothing. It was all gone. Really . Yeah. Give me a call on that macbook. Alright, call you now. [ringing] [french accent] hello, pierres bistro. Uhh, id like to make a reservation. [french accent] theres Nothing Available goodbye. 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As im looking down at him, he also had a zip tie that was wrapped around his neck, and it was cinched down pretty good. 79yearold Melvin Roberts had been strangled. Police quickly searched the scene and spotted their first clue. For prosecutor kris hodge, who would handle the case, it was a big one. They were able to find footprints back to mr. Roberts house. The footprints were in muddy water, and they still had tread. So that tells us theyre super fresh. Investigators believed the footprints most likely came from a man. They quickly called in the k9 unit hoping dogs could track down the killer if he was still in the woods around melvins house. The dogs had picked up on fresh scent. They go out to an adjoining neighborhood, where the dog then loses the scent. Which implies the person got into a car and took off. And thats where the trail vanished. Leaving little else for investigators. Everything was taken from the scene. There was no cutting instrument, no rolls of tape, no empty tape. Certainly no zip ties, no gun, nothing. It was all gone. But detectives did have a witness. Maybe she could help solve the crime. Julia was gently escorted away, still wrapped in duct tape. Have a seat for me, miss julia. She arrived at the Police Station. You okay, sweetheart . Cold and shaken. With cuts on her arm and elbow and bruises on her hands and face. But despite all the trauma, julia told investigators she was ready to help find melvins killer. Shes your best witness at this point. Correct. And at this time shes our only witness. I can see that man. She took detectives through the details of the attack. It began here, behind melvins house in the large circular driveway, surrounded by a red brick wall. She was getting groceries out of the back of her suv when she realized she was not alone. Thats when the man came and he grabbed me, put his hand on my mouth, shoved me to the back of the car, and shoved me up against the car. Then he made a demand. He kept saying, money, money. The next thing she knew, he was tying her up with duct tape. And then he tapes up my eyes, my mouth, put my hands together. She said he dragged her 60 feet to the back of the parking area, behind the brick wall. He drug me to the brick wall, and he pushed me down. Lying on the wet ground, she soon heard melvins car pull up. I could see the car lights. And he pushed me back down on the ground, and said, if you say anything, ill kill you. A short time later, she heard a violent struggle. I thought i heard Something Like a pipe or something that somebody picked up. Why did you think you heard something that sounded like a pipe . I dont know. Because i heard it hit the ground. Okay. And then i heard a shot. You heard a shot. It had to have been a shot. After that, julia didnt hear anything else. She stayed behind the brick wall, hoping the killer was gone, then made her escape. And if the tape hadnt got wet from the rain, i dont know if id have gotten it off. With the duct tape loose, she said she was able to use a key to break free. I never let go of my car key. Julia explained to police she wanted to get help for melvin, but a part of her knew it was too late. He was laying on that concrete. And i knew that was him, and i knew with my heart that he wasnt alive. But i didnt want to believe it. Still wet and muddy, she told the police shed stay as long as they needed her. She was just grateful to be alive. Im the type of person whos up at 5 00 in the mornings reading my bible. And i honestly believe that god protected me from all of this. I really do. She sat at the Police Station for a good bit into the night. I believe she left some time around 1 00, 2 00, 3 00 in the morning, something to that effect. A few days went by and the cops were no closer to finding the killer, so they did something unconventional. Im driving home. Since julia was ready and willing, they took her back to the crime scene. Im pulling my car here. What we believed, if we take her back to the scene, that we could get a more clear and concise picture of exactly what happened. They wanted julia to show them where her assailant had thrown her in the mud. He placed me in a position like this. Maybe theyd missed clues behind the wall. They also wanted to revisit the sound of that pipe she heard. Detectives asked her to close her eyes and just listen. Was that the type of sound you heard . Not exactly. They were hoping it might unlock any suppressed memories from that night. She did remember more details about her attackers voice. He said it with a dialect, not an american, like i am speaking english. Detective mumaw continued to gently guide julia through the crime scene. But she often became emotional. It all seemed to be taking a toll. And melvins family worried about her. I called julia on several occasions to check on her, and she was shaken up a bit. She was worried that someone was still out there. Yes, to the point that at her store, they would leave the door locked and would not let anybody in, until they saw who was at the door. So who could have done this to julia and melvin . Detectives were about to discover the number of possible suspects was daunting. Coming up, a man with a lot of friends, and a lot of enemies. The list he had of anything that anyone could have a conflict with dad about over whatever. How long is the list . Theres at least 75 names. Was melvins killer on that list . When dateline continues. When i crave a smoke thats all i crave. Thats where this comes in. Only nicorette gum has patented dualcoated technology for great taste. Plus nicorette gum gives you intense craving relief. And that helps put my craving in its place. 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No money was taken. The money bag that julia had brought with her had roughly 80 in it. Also melvin, i believe he had in the neighborhood of 400 in his wallet still. Prosecutor chris hodge believed this was a premeditated hit. We had to figure out who would have any motive. So you had to really hone in on people that knew melvin and anybody that had a beef with him. That wouldnt be easy, because melvin was no ordinary man. As detectives started looking into melvins relationships with people around town, they learned he had two sides. While he could be incredibly kind and generous, he also had an edge. He had no problem telling you what he thought of you or what you should do or what you could do better. So hes known to, you know, have a little bit of a temper. Police wondered if that temper might have given someone a reason to kill. They also took a close look at melvins business dealings. Besides being a defense attorney, melvin owned multiple rental properties and a used car lot. Police asked melvins sons, ronnie and david, to come up with a list of potential suspects, anyone who might have a grudge. I had all the people who worked for dad, put a list together of clients that he had represented or had had a case against him. Rental properties, evictions, repos. Anything that anyone could have had a conflict with dad about over whatever. How long was the list . It was at least 75 names, at least. Hes been an attorney for 55 years. He has made people pay Child Support who may not want to pay Child Support. Lose their children. You know, in a divorce. There were people who may want to see harm to your dad, potentially . Potentially. Potentially. Working from that list, police began knocking on doors and bringing in people for questioning. Detectives also pursued a promising lead from their only witness, melvins girlfriend julia. They focused on a key detail shed given them, the killers accent. He just couldnt speak good english. One of the descriptions that julia had given us was that it was an indian type with an accent. That clicked with detective billy mumaw. Hed learned about a couple who had rented a house from melvin. The husband had an indian accent, and his wife had had a nasty fight with melvin. I had found out that about a week before that melvin had an argument with a fairly large female tenant. She had complained that the floor was cracking near the kitchen sink. Melvin told her if she wasnt such a fat ass that she wouldnt be breaking the floor. Those could be fighting words for someone. Pretty strong words for a husband to take. And i could see getting pretty upset with that and maybe going overboard. When the detective went to the house to speak to the husband, the man told mumaw, he was at work at the time of the murder. Investigators set out to check his story. Police were also very interested in someone else, melvins handyman, gene moss. David said he walked in on his dad and moss having an argument in the Office Conference room on the night of the murder. Dad had been having some issues with gene. And so, you know, i thought they were having a private conversation. I looked and told him, you know, bye, dad, ill see you tomorrow kind of thing, and that was i walked out the door. It was the last time david saw his dad alive. Gene wasnt doing what dad wanted him to. Was gene about to get the boot . Yeah, i thought so. I thought dad was being a little bit too hard on gene. You know, like dad, you ought to back it down maybe a notch or two. If youre going to get rid of the guy, why dont you just go go ahead and fire him . Gene was one of the main suspects that we were looking at. Meanwhile, police got a break. Theyd discovered dna on that zip tie found around melvins neck. They immediately started swabbing suspects, hoping to find a match. I have over 80 dna samples that ive collected, from anybody and everybody connected to this case. Did you interview all those people as well or just all those people had been interviewed by me or at least one of the other three to four to five detectives that had assisted with this case. 80 people . Uhhuh. Clearly, it would be a tough case to crack. Is it like finding a suspect in a haystack . In a stack of suspects, probably. Yeah. But were they looking in the right haystack . Coming up, a secret kept in a bedroom. We found a lot of empty prescription pill bottles and a lot of pharmacy scripts. Had the police also found the motive for melvins murder . Prices. Etsw yeah, wide open. Lets hurry and save on appliances. Here and here. From top to bottom. Shop the biggest names and the seasons best savings. Lets open up new possibilities with black friday prices. Thats how to holiday. Lets do this. More savings. More doing. Thats the power of the home depot. 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He never backed down. He always looked out for the little guy, you know. Because i think he always saw himself as the little guy. But as hundreds gathered to say goodbye to melvin, an odd feeling settled over the mourners. Was it fear . Was it suspicion . Could someone amongst them be the killer . Melvins granddaughter, emily, started looking over her shoulder. Who could this be . How could this have happened . Who would want him dead . Was it putting the town on edge . Yeah. Theres a killer on the loose. Weve got to figure out who this is. Detectives were working around the clock, trying to narrow down the long list of potential suspects. They learned that the angry tenant who fit the description of the man they were looking for couldnt possibly be the killer. He was at work. Progs cuter kris hodge. He had to clock in and clock out. And his employer verified the time he was there, and that he had not left, and stayed until his shift was over. So he had an airtight alibi. Then there was the handyman, gene moss, whod had an argument with melvin shortly before the murder. When detective billy mumaw questioned moss, he said he was at home with his wife. That could be a shaky alibi, your wife . Yeah. But there was a phone call that was made to him by another fella that i interviewed. And he said that he had heard his wife in the background. On the home line . Correct. And that was just after the murder. Moss was crossed off the list. Detectives were running in to nothing but dead ends. Theyd spent a lot of time delving into melvins life. Now detectives wanted to look for clues in julias background. They took a ride 40 minutes west to gaffney to check out her business. And as they poked around her store, things werent exactly what they seemed. It started out as a big, fancy store. And then basically it had just declined into a thrift store. Perhaps even more concerning to detectives was the reason julias store was failing. Investigators learned julia had a problem with pills. She was taking money out of the till. She was buying prescription drugs off people off the street. We found a lot of prescription empty prescription pill bottles and a lot of pharmacy receipts. This was a woman with a serious addiction . She was. But it turns out julias financial troubles and pill addiction were no secret. A few years earlier, emily said her grandfather had even stepped in to help. He sent her to rehab. And she willingly went . Correct. That must have made melvin really happy. That he could help change, you know, her life and spin it around to be a positive, yeah. When word got out that cops were asking tough questions about julia, many around town thought the police were wasting their time. Everybody thought there was an outside person. There is no way that julia would kill melvin. He was the love of her life. And julia said that was the case right up to melvins death. She told police she had planned a celebration for that night. Turns out, it was her birthday, and julia had a few surprises for melvin. Melvin collected matchbook covers. And she had gotten a few of those and gotten him a present for her birthday. She also bought mikes hard lemonade and was wearing special victorias secret underwear. Julia painted a picture of two people in love. How was you and melvins relationship . Great. Its sort of a private thing, but, you know, melvin to be his age was you know physical active in every way. Sure enough, detectives found evidence to back that up. During the investigation we did locate a few items that suggested that their sex life was quite active. Still, detective mumaws radar was up. He thought back to the first moment he saw julia huddled in her suv. There was something about the way shed been wrapped in that duct tape that didnt sit right. The duct tape that went around her hands has basically looked like someone she had held her arms out. And it all looked like it was placed on there with care to as to not hurt her. So right away you could just tell that this wasnt a typical duct tape wrap . It was odd. The amount of duct tape that was around her feet did not match somebody who be normally duct taped. It was just wasnt enough of it. This got the detective wondering. Was there anything else about julias story on that fatal night that didnt make sense. Coming up a strange reaction to a simple request. Can i get some pictures right quick are you going to use these for playboy . Right there, boom. No. There was totally inappropriate. Did julia just reveal the naked truth . When dateline continues. When i crave a smoke thats all i crave. Thats where this comes in. Only nicorette gum has patented dualcoated technology for great taste. Plus nicorette gum gives you intense craving relief. And that helps put my craving in its place. Thats why i only choose nicorette. 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During one interview, she said she had been dragged 60 feet and forced face down into the ground. Hes taking my face, and hes literally pushing it down into this mud. So you would expect mud, like, head to toe . Correct. And basically what we got was if she would have sat down in the grass her butt. And her pant legs at the bottom of the pant legs were muddy like she wouldve sat down. The police werent the only ones growing suspicious. Melvins granddaughter looked back on something that happened at the funeral home. Julia, who was there with her son hunter, approached emily. Immediately she wants to tell her story about what had happened that night. The timing was a bit inappropriate emily thought. But more disturbing, julias son knew the story better than she did. And she tells us that she was you know, her hands were bound from behind. And he goes, no, momma, your hands were bound in the front. It wasnt surprising that julia might be confused about small details from that violent night, but when detectives went to verify one thing she was Crystal Clear on, alarm bells went off. Julia had told police she heard a gunshot and said she was nowhere near the gun. But forensic evidence told mumaw a very different story. You did a gunshot residue test the moment, i would imagine, you got to the Police Department . Correct. Her hands come back negative. But you found it on her sleeves. Sleeves. If shes 60 feet away behind the wall, and the assailant is shooting him gunshot residue is not going to travel 60 feet. An ahha moment for the detective. When he added the gun shot residue on julias clothes to all the other parts of her story he found questionable, he was convinced julia wasnt a victim, but the mastermind who arranged and helped carry out melvins murder. So three months after that cold, rainy night, Police Arrested Julia Phillips in the parking lot outside her store and charged her with murder. Probably the best day of my life. My dad called me and said, they got her. Police and prosecutors didnt think julia actually killed melvin, but that she hired someone else to do it. The fresh footprints. That was really how we knew that she absolutely had someone else. Their theory painted julia as pure evil. The reason she was relatively dry, they surmised, was because she stood under an umbrella watching, as her accomplice struck, shot and strangled melvin before carefully wrapping her in duct tape. Weve always assumed that there was a second person assisting in the actual, physical, handson part of the murder. So who could it be . There was one person who police learned was close to her, had a criminal record and, like julia had a drug problem. Her son, hunter. Well, he was a suspect just for the simple fact as, who is most likely to help her . Was he kind of a shady character . He was always involved with scams to get his pills. Drugs really drove him . Correct. But hunter had a solid alibi. He was with a former cop at the time of the murder, forty minutes away repairing his home computer. We could not put him in york at the time of the murder. Hunter was never charged. In fact, investigators couldnt find anyone to charge. And the prosecutor worried that would make this murder for hire case a tough one to prove. There is no evidence whatsoever linking julia to a hit man. Thats right. Nothing. We tracked her bank records. We saw no exchanges of any type. She kept her phone clean. There were no odd calls. That was the hurdle that i felt like we faced, having an empty chair. And youre trying julia and the empty chair. After three and a half years working to build a case, in august 2013, Julia Phillips went on trial for murder. The once polished belle of york, was now a shell of her old self. The years since her arrest had taken a toll. But hodge urged the jury not to be fooled by the frail woman in the courtroom. If you believe that the defendant is guilty of doing one thing, just one thing on the night Melvin Roberts was murdered, to aid in that murder, then she is guilty. The prosecutor began by showing the jurors julias interviews with police. Hodge wanted them to hear one of the first things julia said on the night of the murder. There you go. They put a blanket on her and ask if they can take some photographs. Tell you what, can i get some pictures right quick now that were in the warmth . Are you going to use these for playboy . No. The first thing the woman says, are these going to be used for playboy . Right there, boom. No. No. There was thats totally inappropriate. Then the prosecution dropped a bombshell. Theyd found a witness to testify that this was not the first time julia had melvins murder on her mind. A Police Informant named guy blankenship, a man with a criminal past, claimed that a few years before melvin died, julia tried to hire him to do the hit. We had now an actual person who had heard her say that, and even offered him money to kill mr. Roberts. Hodge built her case leading to one main question most jurors want answered what was the motive . Melvins granddaughter thought she knew the answer to that one. It could be found in melvins will. What did he leave her . The building. And any car that she wanted from his car lot. The building was worth about 150,000. It housed her store, julias. In south carolina, in a small community, that would take you far, 150,000. Uhhuh. The state believed julia was worried she was never going to see that money. The reason . The relationship between julia and melvin was over, said prosecutors, and she knew it. They put a friend of melvins on the stand to back up their claim. He wasnt paying her bills anymore. He wasnt having anything to do with her. He wouldnt even touch her. And in what prosecutors believed was the final straw, that witness told the jury that melvin had let julia know he had booked a cruise with another woman. That must have really gotten under julias skin. Would i think. He made it very clear to her she was being replaced. And it was no coincidence, the prosecutor argued, that julia had melvin killed on her birthday. Do you think theres a possibility that this was julias birthday present to julia . Absolutely. Melvins family now thought so too. Ronnie and david sat in the courtroom every day hoping for one thing. I wanted to hear one word, and i thought, you know, three and a half years of work, it comes down to hearing one word. Guilty. Guilty. But would they get their wish . Now, it was the defenses turn. 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Stop in today and dont miss out on the years best deals at lowes. And had melvins sons worried. Could julias defense team convince the jury she had nothing to do with the murder of her Longtime Love . Her attorney Bobby Frederick and his wife joi, a paralegal on the case, said they had no doubt julia was innocent. We believed in julia from the beginning. She is kind and caring and there is no question in my mind that she was in love with melvin. The defense set out to show the jury a very different version of julia. Her comments that seemed inappropriate, they argued, were just part of her quirky personality. Youre going to use these for playboy . No. After the man you loved just died youre gonna be making jokes about playboy. I can tell you that she was traumatized. Its just how she is, and its how she talks. They even told the jury that julia was weird. Her conversation style is unlike most people. Weird was something to open the jury up to she might be weird, she might be inconsistent. But, look, you know, shes not a killer. The defense also reminded the jury, julia was a victim. Shed been attacked. And as she told police, there was a perfectly good reason why that duct tape was loose. If the tape hadnt got wet from the rain, i dont know if id have gotten it off. But wouldnt it have still pulled some skin, or some hair . It was raining the night of the incident. So as its raining, its getting wet. Its not sticking as much as it usually does. And since it was raining that night, the prosecution had asked why wasnt julia wet and muddy . Easy, the defense said, she was. On the video you can see her jeans are soaking wet. Shes not dry. Shes got mud all over her pants, which was from the rain and the dirt. The defense also addressed the gunshot residue found on julias clothes, which seemed to undermine her story that she was behind a wall, 60 feet away from where the gun went off. Julias lawyer argued that there wasnt enough residue found on julia to do an accurate test. If this had been the fbi lab, any of our military labs, they could not have testified there was gunshot residue because the number of particles found did not meet the threshold. Julias defense team continued to pound home the notion that there was no physical evidence linking her to the murder. And if this was a murder for hire, they asked, where was the killer . Theyve built their case based on motive, not evidence. They want to say to you we have no idea what happened, but we want you to guess and convict her. That is not how it works. Next the defense attacked the prosecutions star witness, guy blankenship, the man who said julia tried to hire him to kill melvin. They said he was a criminal and a liar. Not to mention a Police Informant motivated by money. You went so far as to call guy blankenship a maggot. I dont remember. But does maggot fit . At the time, im sure it did. Finally the defense had to counter the heart of the prosecutions case, motive. The state claimed julia feared she was about to be dumped and written out of melvins will. But her lawyer said they were still a happy couple. Just look at the lingerie julia was wearing and the booze she brought with her that night. She picked up mikes hard lemonade and went to meet melvin at the house on her birthday. This was supposed to be with her boyfriend. A hot and steamy night . And the idea that julia was broke, and needed melvins money. Also not true said the defense. Julias lawyer argued her family had plenty of money and was willing to spend it. Her family came and paid substantial attorney fees. Her familys paying her medical bills. Her familys bringing her food, taking care of her, taking her where she needs to go. In the end, the defense decided not to call julia to testify. Now in her 70s, they said, she was suffering from dementia. And if her behavior towards reporters outside the courthouse was any indication of how shed be on the stand. Right now. It was too big a gamble. After seven days of testimony both sides rested. By the end of the trial, the question was not, is she involved . But, how could she not be involved . The jury took less than four hours to reach a verdict. Were all sitting around, and everybodys kind of you know, just killing time. Then, the bailiff comes out and he says a verdicts been reached. Did your heart, though, just kind of i thought i was gonna throw up. I was almost hyperventilating. Melvins granddaughter wasnt in the courtroom with the rest of her family when the verdict was read. Her dad called her with the news. He called me. He said, shes guilty. Murder. Julia phillips, the belle of york, was now a convicted killer. I was jumping up and down. I remember waking up the next morning and there was double rainbows. And i just thought, this is awesome. Julia has been called an ice queen, a femme fatale, cunning, greedy, murderous woman. Yes. Its not really what comes to mind when you just look at her. Right. When you look at her, you think, oh, shes an attractive older lady. Then she opens her mouth. And you can see whats really in there. Julias arrest for melvins murder triggered what might turn out to be more legal trouble for the southern belle. Julias stepdaughters from a previous marriage believe she didnt murder just one man, but two. My fathers not here because of her as well. The daughters insist their father, bryant phillips, didnt die of a heart attack. They think julia poisoned him. When the daughters heard about julias arrest, they took their suspicions to county coroner dennis fowler. There was enough suspicion that was presented to me that i ordered the body exhumed. Were there concerns revolving around Julia Phillips . There were concerns. Bryant phillips cause of death is still under investigation. Julia denies she killed him and has not been charged in that case, but she will spend the rest of her life in prison with no chance for parole for killing melvin. And the family says that investigation is far from closed. We can be glad that weve got julia locked up, and we know that she will never see the light of day again, but now, we got to go after the next one. The family believes theres a hit man still out there and is offering a 10,000 reward to help catch him. Police are looking for him too. Lieutenant rich caddell is heading up a new Investigation Team thats taking a fresh look at the case. Were confident its going to be cracked one of two ways. Either someone is going to tell us something finally, or its going to be through digital evidence via phone records, computer records or Something Like that. Do you feel like youre getting close . I feel like were closer than we have been. For melvins family, only partial justice has been served. I will not give up until we know everybody that was involved, and what that son of a bitch needs to understand is, its going to be a lot easier on him if they come forward instead of the police having to find him. I always say tick, tock, clocks tickin. Youre coming . Were coming. And we aint giving up. Thats all for now. Im lester holt. Previously grimm. Had enough . What do you want from me . To get our child back. Josh, where are you . On a bus. You need to find some place safe and stay there. Where the hell is that . Elizabeth recreated the potion that adalind used on nick. And in order to regrimm nick, you have to breathe in the potion and and make love to you. Hows adalind . Oh, god, no. A wolfsangel. Its wesen. Why . Its because we got married. You need to be a grimm again. Im only gonna ask you this once