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Other and justice. Did you ever imagine you would actually cause such a thing . Not in a million years. They uncovered an almost unbelievable truth. It all made sense. None of us knew what happened that night. This all made sense. Somebody seen it. Somebody knew. All rise. Now, they just had to get someone to believe them. Oh, my god, were losing. Oh, my god, were winning. Oh, my god were losing. Well face whatever is happening. This was it, for sure. Im lester holt and this is dateline. Heres Keith Morrison with graduation night. In the suburbs outside detroit, michigan, in the summer of 2009, a divorced mother of three named mary evans was poking around in one of her favorite places, facebook. You can look up what everyone is up to, where are they at today, are they successful, did they take the wrong path . Dear mary, no idea that innocent poking into her past would drudge up a shocking truth, long buried. I was stunned. It was unbelievable. And a nightmares worth ofter roars. I could have been killed that day. To bring together an unlikely band of friends to right a terrible wrong. And then a miracle happened. In 2009, it was just an ordinary summer day. No sign of providence anywhere. Just mary reminiscing about the old days and friends long since gone away and well, you know how it is. A person wonders. Not such an uncommon thing among people who grew up as mary did in northeast detroit. It was actually a nice neighborhood when i moved in. You could walk around the streets, 1 00 in the morning in the summer. Never had to worry about anything. Yes. And then this changed . It definitely changed. Later 80s, early 90s it started going downhill. Mary was in a mood to remember the good times, good friends and on facebook there was something called the northeast detroit alumni group. So what did you do in this group on facebook . What that was all about is being in touch with long lost friends, people from the neighborhood. Including a couple of brothers, old friends from the neighborhood who she remembered were the twins did not turn out so well. Tommy and ray highers went to prison, in fact, for murder. Mary followed the case way back then in 1987, remembers just how she felt when they were found guilty. I was shocked. You know, i was shocked to hear that. I thought, no way. Didnt sound like them to you . No. Anyway, there she was thinking about them again fondly. So she wrote a line about missing them whenever she hears a certain song on the radio and then she sighed and pushed the send button and look out. People might have trouble believing that such a simple thing as posting on facebook could make whole worlds change. A lot of people ask, well, what was it . What did you do . What happened . I said all i did was put one sentence. Just one sentence. So she did. And 500 miles away in the suburbs of washington, d. C. What were you doing on facebook . Just wasting time, like a lot of people do. Kevin zieleniewski grew up in detroit too, but was now an International Trade attorney in d. C. He and mary didnt know each other, werent even facebook friend for that matter. But both belonged to that northeast detroit group, which is why that very same summer day in 2009, he happened to see marys post about those boys in prison for murder. Said something to the effect that tommy and Raymond Highers are in prison for life. Every time i hear miss you by the stones, i think of those guys. Did you know those two guys . No, i didnt know them. Which, by all rights, should have been the end of it. But something in that post tripped a wire deep in the crater of kevins memory. That name, highers. He had heard it before. He was sure of it. In connection with a murder case. Way back in the late 80s. And that memory lit up another one clear as day. The indelible memory of a bizarre story a College Roommate told him in 93 or so. He could hardly believe it then. But now when he saw marys post, no, couldnt be. Were those old stories somehow connected . Maybe mary could tell him. I sent back to her, they wouldnt have to be in prison for killing old man bob and she got back and said, yes, they are in prison for killing old man bob. Old man bob was robert karey, wellknown fence, loan shark, drug dealer, murdered at the back door of his east detroit home in the summer of 1987. Kevin was already on the computer in 2009 so he pulled up the Michigan Department of corrections website, saw pictures of tommy and ray highers. Confirmed they were in prison doing life without parole for the murder of old man bob. It was then it hit him. Like a brick in the face. Something about those pictures was very, very wrong. Only one thing to do. Kevin picked up the phone and called that old College Roommate. A man he hadnt seen for at least a decade. This man. John hielscher. I said it was about old man bob. I started freaking out. Im not doing it. Im not doing any of this. How come . Scared. Felt scared. But if he was scared now, oh, just wait. Marys little post and the connections it pulled up in kevins brain had just made John Hielscher part of a team he wasnt sure he wanted to belong to and the next move was his. As a band of friends sets out on a journey to find justice, they first need to find out what really happened the night old man bob was murdered. Everybody assumes that the people running down the driveway shot him. I said you know what, give me a lie detector test. I got halfway through and went, oh, my god lets do a br. Lets step away from the bland and let the color fly. Lets get to the one store with more numberone choices and match this or this without using too much of this. Then lets crack open a can and get to it. Paint . No. Lets do pow. Lets do this. More saving. More doing. Thats the power of the home depot. Right now get 5 off cans and 20 off buckets of behr ultra interior. And then theres juicy chicken. 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Something certificate en dip tus was in the wind in detroit. 2009. A womans simple Facebook Post just thinking about it. Wondering what you should do . Yeah. Wondering what to do about it. What he did was call his old College Roommate, John Hielscher, the man who back in 1993 told him a story about the murder of old man bob. Tell me why you called John Hielscher. To see if he remembered telling me the story he told me back all those years about the night that old man bob was killed. And he did remember. He did. He remembered it exactly on the phone as he did when he first told me the story. The story, that John Hielscher had been there when old man bob was killed. Had seen things and never talked to police. And now, once kevin looked at the pictures of the highers brothers, he understood clear as day that johns story could expose a terrible injustice if it was ever revealed, that is. So kevin stewed about it for a bit, talked to his wife and took her advice. We had no hesitation that we should do something with this. You know, youre a lawyer, you you know what to do with it. Just go ahead and do it. Its the right thing to do. So he boarded a plane for detroit on his own dime and john faced down his fears and both met with the lawyer who represented those imprisoned brothers. We met at a restaurant in Grosse Pointe and talked to the lawyer and he didnt seem like he believed me too much. I said you know what, give me a lie detector test. Ill take the test and then well go from there. If you dont believe me, lets do this right now. Okay. So . A couple weeks later, we ended up taking a lie detector test. It was one of the toughest thing to do when youre strapped up. I was sweating buckets. And the polygrapher said he passed with flying colors. And then nothing. Neither kevin nor john heard anything more from that lawyer. I thought it got dropped. Kind of wishing oh, good its not going to come back, thats it. And that would have been the end of it most likely had it not been for her. Over on the other side of detroit, though john and kevin couldnt possibly have known it, was a private investigator who, truth be told, had just about given up on the case of the highers brothers. We werent getting anywhere. She agreed to work the case for a fraction of her usual fee when the highers family begged her to find evidence of their innocence. She tended to agree with them. But in her long search, she had been unable to find anyone or any facts that could challenge the story about old man bobs murder that was told at the trial, which was this. I was home and it was a friday night. Hes getting a lot of phone calls. Theres a guy weighing out weed in the kitchen. Theres someone saying im going to be over, mostly people come to the back door. An eyewitness to it all was sitting in his car out on the street. We built this animation to illustrate what he later told the police. About 9 30, an omni, horizon pulled up in front of his house and two guys walked up the driveway to the back door and he hears shots fired and shortly thereafter, he sees some guys hoofing down the driveway. They get back in the omni horizon and drive off. This guy, the witness says, must have been them . Right. Everybody assumes the people running down the driveway shot him, yes. The dealer known as old man bob was dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. Detectives looked high and low for that get away car. No luck. So the cop canvassed the usual suspects and bingo, a jailhouse informant named a possible shooter. Neighborhood kid named tommy highers. What do you know, tommy knew old man bob. Owed him money. Used drugs. Even told friends he was going to visit bob that night. They prepared a lineup. But when they showed the pictures to that eyewitness, he didnt pick out tommy. He pointed to tommys brother ray. Told police he was positive, 100 sure ray was one of the young men running down the driveway and hopping in the car after the murder. So both brothers were arrested and tried and convicted and sitting in the courtroom, the aunt who loved them all their lives was devastated. I cant even imagine why they got life without parole. Even without parole. This is aunt jan hert. It was very hopeless. Very hopeless. Did you believe that they would have done this . Never. I never believed it for one minute. The family stuck by tommy and ray as the men watched their 20s and then their 30s come and go in state prison. Now, here they were in their mid40s. Still telling everybody and anybody, including us, that they did not kill old man bob. I just walked with the faith and i was just like, this is not the end. Brothers had turned down any and all plea deals determined, instead, to clear their names. They joined every prison program, took every class they could to improve themselves. We schooled ourselves. We always took any kind of programs they had to offer. Both of you . Yeah, absolutely. Worked every day. And just held our heads up. But to prove their innocence, they needed some solid new evidence and by 2009, after 22 years, even their family had about given up on that. Had you actually gotten to the stage where you thought, well, theyll be there for the rest of their lives, nothing we can do about it . I did. To be honest, i did. So too did the private eye, Julie Ann Kun yoe. Stop working the case or tried to. But tommy kept on the calling. Id be like, you cant keep calling me. Then one day i picked up the phone and it was tommy again and i didnt have anything to do. I said, fine, fine. This was purely to get tommy off my back. I thought i was going to do a couple things and id be done again. Yeah. I can get tommy out of my life. She picked up the phone, called tommys lawyer who sent her a copy of the affidavit, the sworn story told by, guess who . That old College Roommate of kevins, John Hielscher. The one who claimed he was there at old man bobs when the murder took place. And when the private eye read that i got halfway through this thing and just went holy [ bleep ]. Oh, my god coming up a Close Encounter with killers. Im dead. Thats the first thing that came to my head. Hes going to shoot me. But are they the same men serving life in prison for murder . I tell people its the miracle of facebook. When dateline continues. Ah, ah, ah. Hit it, guys its got a bin for your chickens a computer from the future and some giant freaky room for eight ooh, yeah but it aint got no room for boring im spacing out on all this space, too no, we aint got no room for boring for boring, we aint got no room [ male announcer ] the allnew highlander. Toyota. Lets go places [ male announcer ] the allnew highlander. This one goes out to all you know who you are. Youve become deaf to the sound of your own sniffling. 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Detroit private eye Julianne Cuneo had been baffled for years like a piece of heaven falling down in your lap. Yeah. John told julianne what happened that awful night in the summer of 1987. It was party night, he said. John and his classmates just graduated from Grosse Pointe north high school. Thats in the suburb where the captains of industry lived. Several miles and tax brackets across the city line of detroit. And after a few beers, the partiers decided to drive over and buy some marijuana from old man bob. Just call up, say youre coming back, go to the back door. There. Thats what we were going to do that night. John and four friends jumped in a car, a white plymouth horizon and drove over to make the buy. When they got there, they walked up the driveway to bobs back door just as that eyewitness later told the police. Except for one detail. And it was a big one. The eyewitness identified the highers brothers as the young men he saw in the driveway. But said John Hielscher, it wasnt them. It was him. He and one of his Grosse Pointe buddies went up that driveway. We made it to the back door and as soon as we knocked on the door and he opened it, i heard commotion behind me and we saw people jump over the fence coming towards us. And one with a gun leveled at us. And we saw all the other people running towards bob. Especially a guy with a shotgun. I just remembered. Im dead. Thats the first thing that came to mind. My head, hes going to shoot me. I froze. We froze. All he said was get the bleep out of here. We turned so fast and ran back to the car, ive never ran so fast in my life. We were running back. They had heard the gunshot. I said get the hell out of here and screeched the cars and got out of there as quick as we could. And after the five returned to the Graduation Party. I was still freaking out. We all were. And people are wondering, whats the matter with you . What happened . And someone told them what happened and part of the people, oh, i dont believe you. They didnt believe us. But you were freaking out . Oh, yeah. I could have been killed that day. Came close. Came close. I had a gunpointed right to my face. Then when he went home, he watched the news, read the paper, looked for news of the shooting but didnt see anything. Never did find out what happened to old man bob. I didnt hear nothing of it. I didnt know i never saw him actually die. Yeah. I didnt really know. So he said he just tried to forget it. He joined the army, served in the persian gulf, moved on with his life. Never told a soul apart from his girlfriend. And then one night in 1993, six years after the incident, he told kevin zieleniewski. And it was one telling detail that kevin never forget in the story. Those people who jumped over the fence, they werent white kids. They were black. You had no idea that two men went to prison for this . No, not until kevin called me in 20 aught. Did you even know the highers brothers . No clue. Total strangers . Total strangers. I said this isnt right. It involved a different race. It was not two white people. That piece of information, more than 20 years after the murder, was what tommy and ray and their family had about lost hope they would ever find. When i finally got the whole story, it was like damn, somebody seen it. Somebody knew. This all made sense. It was a matter of mistaken identity. Absolutely. It proves everything we sat and believed for the last 25 years. Johns story, which would have disappeared forever had it not been for marys Facebook Post and kevins steel trap memory, now gave aunt jan and all those who loved and believed in tommy and ray new determination. The family brought in a whole new legal team with one goal, nail down the evidence, get the brothers out of prison. Attorneys jan knapp and valerie newman. I thought this case should have never been charged. A mistake happened. 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Now, a random Facebook Post has triggered a memory and mobilized a team to fight for the brothers freedom. Here again is Keith Morrison. Private eye Julianne Cuneo and the others who joined her efforts for the highers brothers believe the newly discovered witness John Hielscher was telling the truth. Now, if they could only find those four High School Friends hielscher claimed were with him. Were with him the night when he and they took a trip to buy marijuana from a Neighborhood Drug dealer known as old man bob back in 1987. A trip that ended in gunfire. First, bad news. Julianne discovered the driver of the car died. But his family confirmed he drove a white plymouth horizon. The same type of car an eyewitness had seen fleeing the scene. That was important, to be able to make that connection . Right. Because the linchpin is that these guys were in a white omni, omni horizon. Theyre the same car basically. Then one by one, they did find them. The kids now 40something, who had been in the car, heard the very same things John Hielscher told them. This man, john korver was riding in the front passenger seat and he confirmed the story. You can just see it dawn on his face that two guys have been sitting in jail for nearly 25 years. The woman who was a High School Senior was dating one of the men in the car confirmed she saw it too. Though getting her to talk was no easy task. But none was more reluctant than that young man who walked up the drive to the back door with John Hielscher and fled down again in terror when a shot was fired. Why wouldnt he talk about it . Pretty much all of our witnesses grew up in fairly wealthy, well to do families and it seemed to be an embarrassment that they had gone into east detroit to buy marijuana. For months, he would only communicate through his sister, an attorney. He refused to tell the investigators what he knew, seemed to go to Great Lengths to avoid the call. He wanted no part of it. Which i really cant understand. Its not often that you get to be a hero. Finally, what could the lawyers do . They subpoenaed him. It had to be done. We had two innocent men in prison. There was no choice. Finally, they all wound up right here, detroits Frank Murphy Hall of justice, spring 2012. The lawyers appointed to represent the long imprisoned brothers, tommy and ray highers hoped to avoid this. They had allowed them to think the wayne county d. A. s office might see the new evidence, see that a mistake was made and rectify it. But we had a Prosecutors Office that was very uncooperative in the face of overwhelming evidence of innocence. Did that surprise you . No. Its an amazing ability to blind yourself to everything except what you want to look at. All rise. Of course, that was a Defense Attorneys point of view. And so here they were in court to fight it out. Just getting this hearing took a year of their efforts and persuading all those witnesses to testify about a moment in time so long ago was no less difficult. Knowing that, tommy and rays family became a sort of cheering section in court. We filled up the room and we wanted to show everybody that we were there to back them up and we just wanted to be there for them. All crowded the courtroom of judge lawrence talon who would decide if the new evidence merited a new trial. Finally, tommy and ray highers filed into court. The brothers who from day one insisted they were innocent, whose family never stopped believing in them. Survivors of a quarter century in prison. It was pins and needles. I mean, it was our life. If he didnt believe what he was hearing, we were going right back to the state pen. There was never no more relief. This was it . That was it for sure. Good morning your honor. Valerie when i got to hearing, it was allout warfare. You may call your first witness. The defense began laying out the strange tale from the start with mary evans and her 2009 Facebook Post. Why have you come forward in this case . On the streets, i always heard that highers didnt do it. Next the d. C. Lawyer who just happened to answer that post of marys. Would you please state your name for the record. Kevin zieleniewski. He had awakened screaming obscenities that morning. There were demons trying to prevent me and John Hielscher from testifying in these hearings. I dont usually wake up in the middle of the night screaming obscenities. On the stand, kevin retold the story that john, the old roommate, told him way back in 1993. He made a comment to the effect that wow, you wouldnt believe what happened that night. So said kevin, he felt a duty to step in. Why are you here today . Two innocent people are in prison for life. I learned information that could help set them free. And i felt compelled to bring that information forward. Then one by one, the witnesses. The now 40somethings who told the court about that night outside old man bobs house where they had gone to buy marijuana for their Graduation Party and that it was their friends, not the highers brothers who came running down the driveway. How did they look when they got in the car . Terrified. Why are you coming forward . Two minutes is too long in prison let alone 20some years. Even the reluctant witness, the one they had to subpoena to get to court confirmed all of it. As did the man who threw the Graduation Party that night. He was very forthcoming and said, sure i remember that day. They pulled up, they were a wreck and they told me what happened. And you just dont forget Something Like that. Finally, the man whose comments to his roommate nearly two decades earlier kept the old story alive. Defense calls John Hielscher. What was it like the process of testifying at this hearing . Ive been to combat, ive jumped out of planes and that was the toughest thing i had to do. John hielscher, who was horrified he never found out for certain that old man bob was murdered told the story he had never before publicly discussed. Complete with what he heard and saw after walking up to old man bobs back door. I heard commotion coming from the alley behind bobs house. I saw four africanamerican males hopping over the chainlink fence from the alley and they were running towards the house. Okay. Then what happened next . I saw a larger africanamerican male with what appeared to be a shotgun and then i saw another africanamerican male with a handgun, told us to get the [ bleep ] out of there. What did you do then . I proceeded to turn around and run as fast as i could. Did you hear anything . As i was turning to run, i did hear a gunshot. Were you scared . Im still scared. Have you ever been afraid like that after that . When i was in combat. Are you telling the truth . Yes, maam. And why are you you here . Because theres two innocent people that objection. But then it was the prosecutions turn and wayne county assistant d. A. Made it perfectly clear she didnt believe all those new witnesses coming forward to tell the story or what they said in their sworn statements, which she picked apart word by word. No, maam. Thats not correct. Oh, its not correct. So your affidavit is wrong . The assistant d. A. Went method i cannily through the testimony of each witness and suggested sometimes gently, sometimes not, that they were all lying, had concocted the old story to help free tommy and ray highers. I think my understanding is that listen to my question. Arent they friend with you on facebook . Yes or no . Well, i would say no judge but said tommy and rays attorneys it was the assistant d. A. Who concocted a story. The prosecution had nothing to contradict our theory, absolutely nothing. When you have nothing, you concoct something. And so what they concocted was a grand conspiracy theory. Did that surprise you . It did. To have people who are unconnected to the defendants to come together in this huge conspiracy to cook this up doesnt make sense. But in the end, it was up to the judge to decide if the new evidence was cooked up, as the prosecutor claimed, or compelling enough to give the highers brothers their first shot at freedom in 25 years. Coming up thinking oh, my god, were losing, oh, my god were winning, oh, my god were losing. The judge rules. Will the highers brothers get a second chance. Well fight and face whatever has to come. When dateline continues. Galaxy s5 for free. So, who ya gonna give it to . Maybe your brother could use it to finally meet a girl. Your mom, but isnt your love reward enough . Its not. Maybe your roommate, i mean you pretty much share everything else. Hey. Your girlfriend. Just do not tell her it was free. Whoever you choose, youll both get the best devices on the number 1 ranked network. For best results, use verizon. 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By the summer of 2012, tommy and ray highers had been fight to go clear their names for 25 years. And now judge lawrence talon had heard all the new evidence. This was the moment. This is the courts decision on the defendants motion for relief from judgment. With all the history, the legalese, the new evidence, the witnesses. The prosecutors were meticulous in pointing out inconsistency and differences in testimony. It took the judge two full hours to explain the basis for his decision. The reasons, he said, he had no choice but to rule a particular way. Oh, my nerves were like shaken. As tommy and ray, their courtroom full of family and friends and attorneys agonized, some felt almost ill. Just sitting through the ruling almost killed me. Im thinking oh, my god were losing. Oh, my god were winning, oh, my god were losing. Until the judge finally said the words. This evidence meets all the requirements for this court to grant the requested relief by the defense. [ applause ] all right. A weight full off my shoulders. It was just finally, thank you. Thank you. Everybody was hugging. It was a joyous scene. You would think, looking at this, that tommy and ray highers had just been declared innocent of the murder of old man bob. But that is not what happened. Not even two weeks later when the judge decided to release the brothers on bond to await trial. [ applause ] and tommy and Raymond Highers walked out of jail for the first time in more than 25 years. It certainly felt like victory, looked like victory. It was like someone had hit a grand slam at the ballpark. Oh, my god. Oh, man. Heres my wonderful attorney. Ill tell you now. Hey, she is the bomb. But tommy and ray highers were merely men on bail awaiting trial for murder. A trial the prosecution gave every indication it was especially determined to win. And thus send these two men right back where they came from, state prison. Whats it like to be sitting here talking about whats happened to you . You cant even put it into words, the feeling that goes through you. Which gave us a chance to talk to them as they prepared for their biggest fight yet for exoneration and they hoped, permanent freedom. Well fight and well face whatever has to come. Here they told us their version of what happened the night old man bob was killed. We got involved in things we shouldnt have been, buying drugs. That was the main thing. And that night, june 26, 1987, the brothers did, indeed, go over to bobs house they said. Saw the police were there and assumed we figured he was being raided. Thats exactly what we thought. He was being raided. Never even stopped. There was so much police out there, we kept going. It never occurred to us that he was murdered. A week later, they were under arrest. Walked in there and never walked out. They were 21 and 22 when they went in. But now they said they are not the same men as they were then and that that is a good thing. Im not ashamed of being in prison because prison made thats who i am today. Prison made this man. My more or less, my integrity. I mean, in a way a positive experience and yet one you wouldnt wish on your worst enemy . Right, exactly. You still hold on to the light and you push forward every day. Whats on the agenda today, guys . After their release, they moved in with their aunt jan and wore electronic tethers to monitor their whereabouts, mandated by the court. They were like rip van winkles awakened to the real world. Learning to use cell phones, getting their drivers licenses. Waiting to get that all my life. First one ive ever had. And getting up in the morning and going to work. Ray at an industrial heating and cooling company. Tommy head of maintenance at an apartment complex. At the very same time, the wayne county Prosecutors Office was preparing its case against them to put them back into prison for life. Preparing it as we sat here talking. Though, as the brothers told us here, the d. A. Has put an offer on the table, they can keep their freedom if they agree to one condition. What plea are they offering . For us to plead guilty and we get time served. Would you . No. We stood on our innocence and we screamed it from the top of our lungs for 25 years. For the people that got behind us and believed in us, for us to do that would just be like a slap in their face and then it would just tear my integrity right out of my body. So were innocent. Nothing is going to change that. There will be people in the audience who will still believe you did it. Sure. I mean, you cant convince everybody. Youre kind of used to that now. Sure. All we want to do is convince 12. Those 12 would be the jurors sitting in judgment at their upcoming retrial for murder. 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The very place they were sent away in the first place. I hate going into the courtroom, i hate going to the courthouse, i hate parking in the parking lot to get to the courthouse. You know what i mean . Its like i just but its something that we got to deal with. Its going to be headon. As we talked, two weeks before the scheduled start of their trial, the wayne county Prosecutors Office was forging ahead, once again charging the brothers with the murder of robert karey, old man bob. How nervous are you about this . Of course, youre going to be nervous. Your lives are in other peoples hands still. For the past several months, tommy and rays Defense Attorneys had been attending pretrial hearings, sending motions back and forth as lawyers do, all the while hoping the d. A. Would come to see it their way and simply drop the charges. I was confident it was a game of chicken. With each legal step in the march towards trial, they were disappointed. The d. A. Had seemed perfectly clear was very serious. All rise. Then just a few days after our interview with the brothers, september 2013, everyone assembled in the courtroom. Assistant d. A. Reynolds had something to say. Your honor, at this time based on consultation with prosecutor worthy, based on communications with the decedents family and a recognition of what 26 years can do to the triability of the case, we would move to dismiss the case against the defendants at this point in time. And that was it. Case dismissed. No new trial. Its not often that you get to give somebody their life back. Thats what we did, we gave them their lives back. It was incredible. It was incredible. But before they all left the courtroom, the prosecutor pointedly reserved the right to refile murder charges if new evidence ever surfaces. Are you going to allow this to hang over your head for the rest of their lives . Absolutely not. We havent done that in the last year. We moved on. Weve moved on in life. Were going to continue to do that. The wayne county prosecutor, kym worthy who declined a request for an interview, took a parting shot at the brothers. Issued a statement saying, just as we did 26 years ago, we firmly believe in the evidence in this case. We have worked diligently to bring this case to trial. With the passage of time, it is aun unfortunate reality that this case cannot be put back together and we must dismiss it. Sadly, in this case justice was not done. Really . Said the people who freed tommy and ray. It was really disingenuous. It was not right. Disingenuous is such a polite word. What does it really mean . It means they were saving face. It puts a stain on them that they dont deserve. They have the stain of 25 years in prison for a crime they didnt commit. Then you have the Prosecutors Office saying yeah, right. Kind of like we still think theyre guilty. What did tommy and ray highers get for their 25 years in prison . For all the agony they had been through, damage to their reputations, the loss of a chance to have a normal life for all those years, what do they get in return . They get nothing. Michigan doesnt have a Wrongful Conviction compensation statute. They walk out of prison with absolutely nothing. Nothing except, of course, everything. Including the chance to celebrate with the people who helped free them. Mary whose Facebook Post started it all. Could you ever imagine you would actually cause such a thing . No. No, not in a million years. Its hard to get my head around it. Its just awesome feeling. Sure. Kevin, who still shies away from taking credit. I happen to be a lawyer. It doesnt seem that extraordinary to me. And john held shire who can finally put the past where it belongs, behind him. Like i told them, i wish i could have done something earlier, you wouldnt have had to sit there so many years. Tommy looked at me, gave a me hug and he said, its the way it was supposed to happen. It had to happen like this. Yeah. They dont seem bitter at all. Not when i met them. Just glad theyre home and theyre out and theyre free. [ applause ] free men who know none of it would have happened without family, friends, that dream team of lawyers and an investigator and, of course, facebook. What would you like to say to those people who helped you along the way . Thank you you from the bottom of our hearts for believing, understanding and taking the time that most people dont do. Its like a dream come true for us because its what weve always been hoping for. Somebody to help us. Thats why we want to live and move forward. Its gone, its the past. Move on to better days. Thats all for this edition of dateline. Sunday, a question lots of people have been asking. Is extreme weather a sign of big change to come . Ann curry reports at 7 00, 6 00 central. Ill see you tomorrow on today. Im lester holt for all of us at nbc news. Good night. Previously on grimm. 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