Sounded crazy. If i were the guy out there watching dateline i wouldnt believe this. Its like watching a tv show. And youre telling us to search for the one armed man. Yes. We found indian joe. Thats all true . Yes. All true. What else would we find . Theres a maniac out there. Im lester holt and this is dateline. Heres a story of deadly intent. Youre looking at the life of the hoglan family of san francisco. Played out in moments stretching across the years. Thats the mom, connie just after she gave birth to son jonathan. Okay. Looking over here guys. Good one. Here he is six years later after losing a tooth. Hey, jonathan. Thats a great smile you have there. This is oldest daughter, jill, learning to play golf. That was a nice one, jill. And this is her little sister. Today the kids are grown. Jill has a child of her own. Jacqueline is married. And jonathan has graduated high school. And looking back, the childhood they describe is one of stability and routine. Just normal happy family id say. Yeah. Go to church on sundays. We would have movie nights or Family Vacation that we would take. Usually disney land which is our favorite. Everything was as a family. Everything was perfect. They loved each other and they had a great marriage. Exactly. The patriarch of the family, larry, was a leader in their church and professional photographer who can be heard off camera. Here comes jill. Gently directing his children through these precious kodak moments. That was good. Keep going. I remember getting sick of it because i wanted to have fun because we had to always pause and take a picture which got annoying after awhile but looking back its nice to see the pictures, i guess. Reporter the mom, connie, loved being with her kids so much, as they grew older, she found a job taking care of toddlers at this daycare home. But on september 23rd, 2010, as connie was leaving her job for the day, her life and family were quite literally blown apart. A thunderous explosion rocks an east county neighborhood. The first thing i said to myself was oh my goodness. What was that . Reporter Teddy Williams is the owner of the daycare home. So i ran out the gate. I come to this point and i stop because connies car is rolling at full speed and smacked into my van. I ran around her truck and this is where i found connie right here on her side in the street. Reporter connie was her best friend. Connie was laying on her side curled up in a ball. I rolled her over. There was glass. There was shrapnel and metal everywhere. Reporter she knew all the family cell phone numbers and she was the one that broke the news. I was driving and she said there was an explosion and my moms truck blew up. So i immediately pulled over, stopped, and called my dad to ask him whats going on. What do we do. What did he say . He said i just heard too. I dont really know all the details. Reporter the family gathered at Uc San Diego Medical Center where connie had been taken for emergency surgery. We got to quickly see her rush from the hallway into surgery. It was probably ten seconds and i just remember telling her i love you and her being awake but kind of being out of it. And that was it. Seeing her like that and all the wires coming out of her and the bags hanging and the blood and all of that, it was very shocking and taken back. I almost felt sick. What did you think had happened . I thought her truck malfunctioned. We didnt know. Was it an accident or was it the gas tank . Whats going on . I didnt know what exactly had happened. Reporter by now, though, investigators knew this explosion was no accident because they found bomb fragments imbedded inside connies truck making it clear this was an intentional act, a car bomb which got investigators wondering if it was the work of terrorists. Almost immediately when we came on scene, we made a plan of how we wanted to sweep the area. What we were doing was looking for secondary devices so we didnt walk into an area and actually get hit by another device of some sort. Reporter robert luke of the San Diego County sheriffs bomb squad and atf agent matt beals were the lead investigators. They quickly learned that something about the daycare may have made it a target. Well, in that particular Daycare Center we were aware there were other Law Enforcement officials that had their children in that particular home during the day. Reporter was it possible someone was out to kill cops and their kids . If so, connie who always parked in front of the daycare home could have been the perfect yet unwitting Delivery System for the bomb. Looking for any known or suspected domestic terrorists or possible watch list type people that may be in the area. No question that this was an ied . An improvised explosive device . No were. Reporter and suddenly they had more questions after they ran connies address and discovered in her neighborhood two weeks earlier police had found another bomb. Police make an explosive connection. This was personal. When we come back, had reporter when connies truck exploded outside a san diego Daycare Center, investigators suspected terrorism. A suspicion that only grew stronger when they realized that this bomb may well be related to another unexploded bomb found two weeks earlier lying in the street just blocks from their house. This is a device we had not seen in the united states. Reporter detective Chris Everett and bomb squad commander john wood had taken the earlier call. Between them, they have investigated and disarmed hundreds of explosive devices but this one was a first. These particular devices had only been seen in war countries, afghanistan and iraq. Reporter the small but powerful device was hidden in a fed ex envelope. But what really got everyones attention was the detonator linked to a cell phone. And that to you says what . This is somebody that can build a bomb and sit from anywhere in the world and set it off. A bomb squad investigates a suspicious object. Reporter taking no chances they sent in a robot to disarm the bomb. Fire in the hole reporter a firefighter was then put in one of those famous suits to make a final safety check and found the cell phone detonator had 18 missed calls. Only a broken wire had prevented the bomb from going off. We were like, wow, this is for real. Reporter police ran the phone numbers of course, but they belonged to untraceable throw away phones available almost anywhere. The bomber or bombers had left no trace of themselves. No fingerprints, no dna. Reporter the only real clues were found on the fed ex envelope. Duct tape and soot suggesting the bomb might have fallen off of the underside of a car. And two weeks later when connies truck blew up at the daycare home, investigators immediately wondered, were these two sophisticated bombs really the work of terrorists . Or was all of this personal . We went through all of the gametes and we had a lot of people going out and chasing every lead there was. Reporter and while he was still at the crime scene, detective luke had what seemed to be an odd visit from an old colleague, the former commander of the San Diego Fire Department bomb squad. Thats luke to the left of your screen and hes on the far right. He was the first one to contact me as soon as i got on the scene and i said what are you doing here . He told me he retired to colorado, came back to visit some friends here in town and he heard about the bomb and he came over to try to assist us. Reporter and there was one more thing. He turns out to be an acquaintance of the family. So he knew the victim and the husband. First thing that popped into my mind is we have a bombing here. We have a bomb guy on scene thats retired and now hes also has something to do with the family. That was a curveball. Reporter the current bomb squad commander john wood was also at the scene and had the same unsettling concerns. Hes sitting there going wow, why did he show up. This guy used to have your job. Exactly. He appointed me after i left. So everybody here knows him. Yeah. Trusts him . Likes him . And hes a friend of the family and he would know how to make that device . Exactly. Reporter he had a tip offering up a potential suspect. Connies exsoninlaw that may have had it in for the family. That was a lead we needed to go after immediately. He was the only person that didnt like connie or larry . Exactly. Or so we were told or lead to believe. Reporter so he headed for a meeting to the soninlaw. He didnt have a negative thing to say about connie in anyway, shape, or form. Reporter just as important. He had an alibi. He had receipts to back up he was at a store at one time and clearly not in san diego. Not in california. His alibi all checked out. Reporter all of which put the guy that fingered him under more suspicion. Meanwhile, they put the truck up for a closer inspection. And then they saw an outline the size of a fed ex envelope framed in traces of duct tape. The impact of the earlier unexploded bomb hardening their suspicion that who ever built the bombs was targeting connie or her family. This appeared to be directed at one person. Whoever the driver of that truck was, in this case, connie. Reporter back at the hospital, the hoglan family, holding a vigil by connies bedside was unaware there was a criminal Investigation Underway until they paid them a visit. They asked if she had any enemies. If anyone would want to hurt her, if we could think of anybody. And i couldnt think of anybody. There wasnt anybody. The only thing stranger than hearing that your mom has been the victim of an explosion is hearing that it was not an accident and that it was directed at her specifically. I said, what . I didnt believe it. I didnt understand it. I just started crying because i didnt know who could do that. Who would want to do that. Reporter what made a strange case all the more baffling occurred four days after the bombing when a large fed ex box was delivered to this san diego Area High School addressed to one of their students. His name, jonathan hoglan. That got san diegos bomb squad scrambling and it got the towns attention. Coming up, connie hoglan, wife, mother and survivor. I remember coming out. Reporter september 2010 may well be remembered as hoagland month for san diegos busy bomb squads. This picture perfect family suddenly seemed to be the target of a Relentless Campaign of terror. First there was the cell phone device placed inside a fed ex pack found just down the street from the hoagland home. Then there was the pipe bomb that detonated inside Connie Hoaglands pick up. And now, there was a mysterious fed ex box addressed to Jonathan Hoagland but delivered to his high school. I guess it had something to do with the car bomb that happened last week. It may be from the same person. So were not sure. Immediately the school is shutdown because now we still werent for sure who was going to be involved. Reporter the box was removed and destroyed. Inside investigators were hoping to find some evidence that could lead them to the bomber. Instead, they found party favors that jonathan had forgotten he had ordered for a high school dance. Something he was in charge of getting and he didnt remember it. But it shows everybodys state of mind at the time. It was rough. School closed down and bomb squads coming out and everything. Reporter while this event turned out to be a bust in terms of finding any workable evidence, luke and beals believed the bomber had to be somebody that knew the hoaglands, knew where they worked, where they lived, knew their routines and had access to their cars. The only problem is that connie, a devout christian and mother of three had no known enemies but they had one witness that might be able to shed some light on that part of their investigation. A witness they had yet to question. Connie hoagland. Always i had a sense that she was going to live. I dont know why. But i always knew that she was going to live. I just didnt know how. Reporter sedated and in icu after having gone through seven different surgeries to save her right foot and left leg and yet, somehow, still alive. I remember coming out to the truck, put in the key, and then kaboom a huge explosion. It scared me. First i thought maybe the air bag went off. Smoke, flames . Smoke started filling up and i looked out the door to and i noticed the truck started to move. And my feet and legs hurt really bad. I could tell, oh, that hurts but i thought have to get out of the truck. So i pushed the door open, started to get out. I did not want to see my injuries. It felt so bad. I felt like my feet were blown off. What did you think had happened . I dont know. Just laying there i just thought it was a random act. Reporter so she was stunned when investigators first spoke with her in the hospital. And the police told me this bomb was meant for you and that was weird. I couldnt even digest that. Youre kidding me. And they say to you, who does not like you enough to try to kill you. They did ask that. I could think of no one. I really dont have any enemies. They said its somebody who knows the code on your truck. Its somebody who knows where you work. Who knows your routine . Yes. But still nothing. Thats not too many people. No. But thats like, what . Your husband, your kids and a couple of close friends. Thats true. But who would do that . Not them. And Standard Police procedure is to say after that, so hows your marriage . How is everything in your marriage . I said everything is fine. Reporter but in her heart, she knew that wasnt quite true. After 25 years of marriage, larry seemed to have grown tired of her. The last few years werent that good but i thought we were still committed and just hanging on to the commitment at that time. Did he act like he didnt care about you anymore . Yes. That has to be heartbreaking. Yeah. It was. Did you ever think about leaving larry . It never crossed my mind. In the church, divorce is really frowned upon. If you can work it out, work it out. How was larry at the hospital . Pretty standoffish which was normal for us at that time. Reporter the truth is theres a lot of bored husbands out there but true ever go on to try and assassinate their wives but connie didnt believe that was the case here. Neither did detectives. When you first meet larry, was he a suspect . No, he was the victims husband. We didnt focus on larry that much. Reporter so eric, the former bomb squad commander remained on everyones radar screen. He was constantly by larrys side at the hospital and still wanting to pitch in on the investigation. I called an investigator friend of mine and i said can i come in and talk with you. Reporter detectives thought the time had come to bring him in for questioning. But before they could speak with him, they received another phone tip. One which would send this investigation in a whole new direction. A new direction, a new suspect, and finally, an arrest. You got this whole package right there so its all right in a nutshell. Thats what says hook him. Is this the bacon and cheese diet . This is the creamy chicken corn chowder. I mean, look at it. So indulgent. Did i tell you i am on the. [ both ] Chicken Pot Pie diet me too [ male announcer ] so indulgent, youll never believe theyre light. 100calorie progresso light soups. [ female announcer ] at 100 calories, not all food choices add up. Some are giant. Some not so giant. When managing your weight, bigger is always better. Ho ho ho green giant reporter detectives trying to figure out who would want to kill mild mannered Connie Hoagland were hitting nothing but dead ends until they got a call from the Business Partner of connies husband larry. He says, hey, i found bomb making instructional videos and internet searches on our Office Computer and i didnt make the searches. Reporter it seems larry had been looking for some unusual things on the internet. We looked at the stuff he had looked at and then it was like, wow, this is the exact same bomb we found. Reporter but they found more than just a list of incriminating websites. During the search we find love letters between him, Larry Hoagland and a woman by the name of leann. Reporter he had been cheating on his wife with a woman that lived across the country. What did she tell you . She and larry had been in a relationship for several years. Reporter larry and leann it turned out were once high school sweethearts. In 2007, leann, recently divorced and living in pennsylvania wondered if it was too late for larry and her to take another crack at love. She was able to track him down on the internet and placed a call to him one day when he was at work and from that it was like a spark, just rekindled into a fire. Reporter according to leann, larry told her he too was getting a divorce and soon the two were texting like hormonal teens. You have been my dream girl for as long as i can remember being in love. Life is like dry brown toast without you. Lee an was equally smitten. I lost you once and dont want to lose you again. She was preparing him to come be her husband and part of her life for the rest of her life. Reporter while he carried on with leann, back home he was growing distant from connie but never mentioned getting a divorce or separating. In fact, he still kept up his family routines. Even going to church with them every sunday. My dad was a church board member. My mom was really involved with Bible Studies and womens groups. It was a big part of our lives. We didnt know anything was wrong. I always thought everything was fine and great. So larry was leading a double life and lying to both the women in it. Exactly. He had two complete lives and lived them as one. It was really weird. Reporter connie remembers that time well but for different reasons. Larry told her and the kids that he had gotten a big photo contract in pittsburgh and for the next three years larry split his time between california and pennsylvania. He said he had a friend out in pennsylvania named bob and he would go out there and do work for him. We had no reason not to trust him and believe him. Reporter but heres what connie and the kids didnt know. Larry was finances his secret life with extra mortgages on their san diego home. I thought we were doing fine. I thought it was going to be a good time in our life. But then suddenly there was no money. Suddenly its like what . Bankruptcy . You had to declare bankruptcy. I didnt want to but larry said we need to do this. So i just went ahead with it. You went along. Yeah. I trusted him. I thought he knew better than i knew. Reporter and detectives learned while larry was deceiving connie and bleeding his own family dry, he was also playing leann telling her the timing wasnt right for them to get married because he couldnt afford to go through with his divorce. As proof, larry even sent leann this secretly recording meeting with his lawyer. Spousal support at. 900. Child support at 1,000. 1900 total. Yeah. Why is that so high . Thats the guideline figure. Leanns response to this video text after text basically telling larry to put up or shut up. I have heard it all so many times. I am tired of it all. If you love me like you say, we still wouldnt be doing this. I am ready to move on. Two weeks after that text, larry was in pennsylvania trying to patch things up with leann when the cell phone bomb was discovered in the hoagland neighborhood. Ill telling matt, matt, we got him with a girlfriend in pittsburgh. Weve got all of this stuff going on. Were finding love cards and all of this is building in one day. So youve got this whole package right there. So its all right in a nutshell and thats what says, hook him. Reporter larry was arrested that night. But at that point, the hoagland family had no idea he was even being investigated. So when jacqueline got a 2 00 a. M. Call from her sister, jill, with news about their dad, she was blind sided. My sister said hes been arrested. He is in jail. And i couldnt believe it. And i think the first thing out of my mouth was theres no way he did this. Theres no way. They have the wrong guy. Reporter the evidence against larry was circumstantial. No fingerprints. No dna. Nothing to physically connect him to either bomb. And that made investigators take another look at eric who was asked to come down to his old fire station for an interview. This was not going to be a friendly chat with his old work buddies. When they asked me if i would be willing to take a polygraph, i said, wait a minute, you guys know we. Me. You should know better than that. And then i realized the best way to make sure that im clear in their eyes is to take a polygraph. Right after it was finished they said, well, you passed. Reporter he was nothing more than the right guy in the wrong place. Everything came up clean. It was just convince. Reporter they were now convinced larry was the bomber and he was in it alone. But Larry Hoagland, the husband, father of three, and man of god had a ready explanation when he sat down with me. He had been framed. I did not try to kill my wife. Theres somebody out there who is responsible for this and theres a maniac out there. Coming up, Larry Hoagland tells his side of the story and even he admits it sounds crazy. Is it . If i were a guy out there wa as a parent, you always want to know where your kids are. Especially when they are on the web. So ask them about the sites they visit, the social networks theyre on and help them monitor what they post. You can help them stay safe. The more you know. After his arrest, Larry Hoagland was booked into San Diego Countys curiously named George Bailey detention facility. A different George Bailey you may recall was Jimmy Stewarts character in its a wonderful life which described Larry Hoaglands life at one point. Good friends, a loving family. The respect of his community. By the time i sat down across from larry, much of that had evaporated. He stood accused of trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb and his first words to me were that police had the wrong man. I did not try to kill my wife. Im addiment about this. Reporter the only thing larry said was true was that he did have an affair. I was cheating on my wife. I was cheating on my family. You were in love with somebody else. I was. Yes i was. To be perfectly frank. And you were, what, going to ask your wife for a divorce. Yes. And walk out. Yes. That was it. I let a lot of people down and i deceived a lot of people. I did. Is that the worst sin you have committed . Yes. Besides adultery, yeah. Because what youre in here for pretty much tops all of that. I did not try to kill my wife. I did not. I had nothing to do with what happened to connie. There is somebody out there who is responsible for the whole thing and theres a maniac out there. The whole thing meaning trying to kill your wife and framing you for it. Yes. Larry, who has motive to do that . You wanted out of your marriage, you had a girlfriend. You were planning to leave your wife and your family. And you didnt want to pay the alimony and you tried to kill her. Alimony it was nothing. And i tell you all these things because its the truth. Im not going to stand behind and start explaining details after details. I just have to tell you, its the truth. Thats all there is to it. Briefly tell me and i say briefly because i dont know how much time we have. Who framed you and why would they do that . Larry wasnt able to explain it briefly so ill do it for him. His story goes like this. Larry claimed there were a number of transients that parked their motor homes around his studio and he left them piggy back off his wifi at night and that one of those, a guy named jerry did the bomb making internet searches. Not larry. You believe that jerry, with his wifi Internet Access is responsible for the computer searches that were found in the investigation. I believe so. And, in truth, when cops arrested larry, they knew there was no physical proof connecting him to those internet searches. So they continued to dig. Larry had a lot of stuff, pocket trash, business cards, business paper, receipts. I wouldnt have wanted to sit on his wallet. While going through that wallet, he found this phone number written on a slip of paper. I said, holy cow, this first number is the bomb phone number. I keep going through the contents of the wallet and heres the second number. Reporter thats right. Larry hoagland had, in his wallet, the numbers of both cell phones used as detonators on the first bomb, the one that didnt explode. Thats an unbelievable piece of luck. Id like to call it investigative genius. But yeah, it was fantastic. It was good to find that. And that ties larry to the unexploded bomb. Exactly. It does. If youre thinking it would be hard to explain away that evidence, then you dont know Larry Hoagland. How did those numbers get into your wallet. Jerry gave them to me. That man gave them to me. Thats why i say he has everything to do with this. He gave you those phone numbers and said this is how you reach me. Yes. And then gave you another one because he had a second phone. He said heres my wifes phone number and i said okay, fine. So i grabbed and piece of paper and wrote it down. All of it to frame you for murder to what possible end . For what conceivable reason . How does that benefit him . Its obviously we have this person on your hands here. Tell me what you know about jerry. I know very little about jerry. I know what he looks like. What . 6 feet tall, dark hair, wavy hair. Longer than yours. Wavy like yours. Late 20s, early 30s. Always needed to shave. Larry said there was one transient who could back up his story. And his name is . Engine joe and he hangs out there and he has been there for quite sometime. If we find joe, hell be able to lead us to jerry . I certainly hope so because joe, to my knowledge, knows everybody in that neighborhood. It sounded like a crazy story and larry well knew it. If i were the guy out there watching dateline, i wouldnt believe this. I would be the firstperson to say, oh, this guy is full of bologna. Its like watching a tv show. It is like watching a tv show and youre telling us to go search for the one armed man. Yes. Its a good anlage. Yes. So we went to try to check out larrys story. Was he telling the truth this time . Or was it a lie just like the ones he told his family . We combed an area around his old photo studio. An Industrial Area near the freeway full of warehouses and allies in search of anejo that might lead us to larry. Indian joe. Coming up, Larry Hoaglands wild story seems to be checking out. He left it on all night for us. We could do our oh progressoh oh oh oh oh what do you know . Oh bacon . Oh oh oh [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying progressoh share your story for a chance to win a progressoh makeover in hollywood. Go to progresso. Com to enter. Reporter Larry Hoagland in jail for allegedly trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb had an alibi that sounded like a movie plot that he had been framed by a mystery man using larrys wifi. Larry told us a man named indian joe could confirm his story. Hows it going. Youre joe. Yes. And much to our surprise, indian joe turned out to be real. He left it on all night for us. We could do our emails, surf the net, whatever. It was kind of nice. Nice guy. Nice guy. Really a nice guy. Kind of really quite. Reporter so far this part of larrys strange story checked out. But what about the crucial part that larry promised would exonerate him and prove he had been framed. Larry tells us about a guy named jerry who was like you, somebody that came up, parked nearby, used the wifi signal. A guy about ix feet tall. Dark hair like mine but maybe darker than mine. Wavy hair, slender build. Ringing a bell . Somebody fitting that description, no. I have known everybody that comes around and there was nobody fitting that description. Do you know anybody named jerry . No. There was nobody with that name during that time period that he was here. Because thats fairly important to larry who is now behind bars. I know. After i heard the situation come down i actually asked the other people. Did you get on the internet . Did you look up how to build a pipe bomb . Did you try any of these things . And everybody said no. Why would i do that . And it was like this is just im afraid its just fantasy. That was not the news larry was expecting to hear, or was it. We found joe. Wonderful. We talked to joe. Great. Hes never heard of jerry. Anybody that resembles my description of jerry . Anybody at all . So now youre not sure the guys name. Ive never been completely sure of his name. I called him jerry. Anybody that resembles jerry . I wasnt positive his name was jerry. Joe says he doesnt know anyone like that. Cant help us. And he wasnt unhelpful. He was actually quite willing to talk with us. He says he doesnt know anything about it. Thats very disheartening. Is there really a jerry . Yes there is. Yes there is. Theres a man out there who is responsible for this. And im not him. I got to ask you, i mean, did you think about just getting divorced . Yes. I mean, if you had just gotten divorced none of this would have happened. You wouldnt be in there. I wouldnt here talking to you. You would be in pennsylvania with your girlfriend and your wife would be angry at you. Which would not have been the right thing to do to leave my family in hindsight. But it beats murder. Reporter our interview finally ended and as he was being lead away, larry conceded to his guard that we werent buying his story. They think that im a lying scum bag and i was. Reporter while he admitted to being a liar he never admitted to the bombing attempts and even connie didnt believe her husband of 25 years would try to kill her. Not until larry called her shortly after he was arrested when connie was still in the hospital. He said i want you to know i have been having an affair before it gets out and he said since the accident ive been dedicated to you. And then he said i didnt do it. And when he said he was dedicated to me its like a lig lightbulb went off like hes lying and i knew, you know what, he did it. Just from that one phrase that he was dedicated to you. Right. Weird. Because i knew he wasnt. Its like my mind was open at that time. It was like, whoa, its you. Reporter 19 months later, connie painfully pulled herself into court and testified against the man who had once promised to love, honor, and cherish her as long as they both shall live. My ears were ringing. It was so loud. Reporter larrys defense . The same story he shared with us. He had been framed by the mysterious jerry. To no ones surprise t jury didnt buy it. We the jury in the above entitled cause find the defendant Lawrence Gerald h hoagland guilty of the crime of attempted murder. Reporter a month later at his sentencing connie and the kids read victim pact statements. It was the first time any of them had spoken to their dad since his arrest. Larry is no longer my father and i am no longer his daughter. I havent spoken to larry in almost two years. And after today, i will never see or speak to him again. Larry, you disgust me. He does not deserve or have the right to refer to us as his family anymore. When larry dies in prison, no one will shed a tear. I exercise my devine right to watch my hands of you. Your soul is of no concern or consequence to me and now you, you will leave your hell. Reporter words some dads might consider a punishment harsher than a life in prison which is the sentence larry received. Life plus 13 years. Do you feel like youre better off now . Oh, yeah. A lot better. I know its weird to think that after all of this, but we are. Were closer and we know each other better. And we have seen each other at our lowest. But were closer and were all stronger as a family. Reporter 2 1 2 years after the bombing, connie was up and walking unassisted. Heading to the podium to receive the citizens of courage award from the San Diego County d. A. s office. I can walk, yes. Reporter for having the guts to face her husband, her attempted killer in court. When you went into court and stared him down, what was larry thinking . You tell me. I think he just still thought that i didnt think he did it. I sort of get the feeling that maybe larry thought that you were the kind of person who wouldnt have the strength to testify against him. I think youre right. I think he just didnt know me as well as he thought he did. Boy, was he wrong. He was. He didnt know me at all. Thats all for now. Im lester next at 11 00, back home, the little boy who walked around for more than three hours alone. What is next in the police investigation. And good luck niners, the expectations for the 49ers. Nbc bay area news, starts now. Good evening, and thank you for joining us. Im chris sanchez, diane dwyer is off tonight. A 5yearold boy is back homeni safe tonight after an intense search in oakland. Daryl carter iii was reported missing from a popular park where he was attending a function. And now there are questions on how he disappeared in the first place. My grand