Nixon what you want to do is occasionally during a speech tap on them I can say is just saying on one of those it was just like all right there is a god for cell phone there you go perfect and then maybe you want to think about making fun of that debate that you lost terribly over the years when you were sweating like a ho in church what you want to do. Is every so often just get out of the towel wipe your face and say oh I didn't need that yet I should remember that during the debates you see that was give you and that's your phrasing might give yourself something some some humanizing thing because a lot of people think that you're merciless to set joke and knock knock a set up no but professional to comics work off of who they are what they are not just doing a set up punch tag you want to the funny you are going to realize they don't go there to hear the jokes they go there to hear the person they don't go to see George Carlin because they like that one joke they go to see George so if you want them to appreciate your sense of humor had more of yourself to what you're doing so President Nixon with that in mind what did you think about yourself what do you think's funny about yourself what's the sorts of things you'd like people to know about you that you think they might find humorous I am not quite sure how your society you're not very funny now but I mean it was funny that you would drive pad around you know for dates and kind of that was kind of humorous I did. I. Like to watch Cops come out here and saw I think they're funny and I'm sure. You would admit that probably President Nixon didn't come across that well it's of the to the women they didn't find in terms of funny. You know probably not you know I have the money Ok and in your comedy work do you play to women men or doesn't even intervention you're into you're thinking I I pretty much played him but being a menopausal woman over 15 until mental. Just a muddle puzzle or and that's what you said you know this before so you. Know I both sides both sides now with men and women both sides of the fence Ok so so that's Ok. You got me tongue tied yes I used to let yourselves. You know listen Ok so so Diane what any ideas you have that you can help President Nixon to be funny or anything that comes to mind immediately or we could go to President Clinton if that would be more comfortable for all Clinton this is a little cuter I go ahead and. Do you know who was the funny let me ask this who was your funniest president that I'm going to had I think Barack Obama the one we have right now and what do you think that he's so funny because he's witty he's and he has good writers and. The president of the best test of them is the correspondents dinner where they they have to take material is put together for them usually by some of the best writers in the country and what I love about Obama is that he when he works off the cuff that's where you really find funny is the last day of the Union for example when when he said I won't be running another campaign again and then all the Republicans in the house applauded. As an insult and then he paused he had a perfect commuting time as looked at them with a half smile a perfect mug and said I know because I did it twice yeah right there that shows timing intelligent and every comic in the country who saw that said Wow he does know how to speak well publicly how does how do you shop what you're going to talk about me when I was at the Lincoln Center Oh yeah I would I or I was going or I was that I don't know about called a force there to hash it out don't make sense because I. Lincoln was here that's right actually caught for sure that that was that was one of the best nights of my life sir and I hope you don't get too angry President Bush but we. Went out of our way to get you that out and we did we did we got you pretty good you made me madder than a cable or else being demoted to fudge packing well. That was the job Ok This show is getting out of control Diane how does it make you feel when you get a really good hearty laugh from your audience and it's euphoric and it's wonderful and it's I love making people laugh can you can you tell us you know how do you get your momentum going how when you're out there in front of the audience and you you know you have a moment in time where you think things are clicking and then it just kind of all comes together. Yeah how do you get there tell us how you get there. It's producing the you have a voice cracking you sing I do sing a little bit like will give us a little you know. Give me a little something come up just a little I don't say no to me just sing a little some off the top. There's this one that I used to when I had one time when I was doing karaoke Had I then he lost the monitor so I had to kind of wing it so as I crack. Sin a little boy yeah. You know. You remind me of the sender Williams. Yeah. Karaoke song was going. So bold you know it's are Ok now who's funnier on your show and how did you get rivals with rivalry with each other oh not Ok Diane I don't believe it I do know he's an amazing writer Chris can not only be funny for himself he can help other people to be funny I can I can only you know make myself funny you know this it can help you place yourself down I am very very blessed on the u.s. Radio show I surrounded myself by that but the most talented people I could find in Jane is amazing off the cuff she's politically astute she's current she's funny right in front of my eyes we've got Robert Weems on there who's a professional comic is our announcer we've got a tree has a whole y. In common they're all very different they all have their own voice and that's why I love working with them you gotta remind me again this is Kane as Jay and you're listening to Talk of the town but you got to tell us what time do people tune in to your show because I think they're going to have a really good hearty laugh if they do well where they're on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 5 pm but we also record to a live audience and oh yeah we do oh and let me say every Monday night from where is that 68 at Lowell and universal in university right across I don't so I live right. We're in this space bar it's a little internet cafe and people can come and have a glass of wine and watch the show and we literally they can watch and hear the sound because we have a video screen behind us give me a little something of what they might have heard the last time you go to who lots of stuff and not only what we do on the show which is kind of cool when we heard that we had an opportunity to work on a community radio station one of the things we want to do is try to push the envelope as much as we can to get a really different sort of a show where they can actually see it a lot of times people when they're doing radio are in a booth and we thought let's accent the community aspect a little bit more so we not only do the show there but we'll go remotely to different parts of San Diego still come to your house if you want them to be able to tell that only if there's enough people there you want to be a large family and. And Diane will help the kids while we do the radio and I mean I don't you know I don't know that absolutely and so what we did in the last couple weeks was we were very excited because we taped our show on Monday and then these shows go out on that week prior to this we were doing shows a week in advance of all of our news would have to be we have to try to predict what's coming up and then eventually hopefully it would line up properly with the news we would have to be like this pretty not the caters of current that a lot of floods and yeah let's release this only cloudy so that last week we talked about the pope coming to. America to speak for the Republican Party and how the new pope Pope Francis his ideology doesn't really jive with the Republicans as it used to he's he's for the helping the poor which is very anti-corporate he is said he is not his job to judge homosexuals and so that's very anti republican platform and we just went down the list we talked about how he's there now speaking for them and his main subject of discussion is global warming which a majority of their candid. It's right now don't even believe in so it's a real contradiction for Christians who are joining the Republican Party as the Christian Party so we did a whole chunk on that talking about how a person would go into the voting booth and they know that God is watching and it's very important that they push the right level in their lives and you know they're thinking about changing party so we had a lot of fun with that and how this these contradictions and contradiction is always a lot of fun to play with and the nice thing about having all the talented performers there live is that they not only play to the audience but they play off the cuff beautifully and what's the name of the space this spot of the place is the space bar it's an at symbol space bar and the name of the show is that the you missed radio show covering all the news you missed and the things you won't hear on corporate media most importantly do they have with Yes all right now here's Diane funniest line of a comedian ever oh I'm wrong I have to. Ask you. That I like this but how about this one. The message of Chris Rock. If you don't want to get arrested oh hey the law I remember that scene. Was really funny also is that only if they make they don't worry about guns was another great Chris Rock line is that what you do is you make bullets so expensive that before you shot somebody you'd think twice you say you know thank you you know 9 times with each bullet cost 5 grand and he must have done something about the great Right from Chris Rock and you know or he said you know when you don't drive with a woman who's mad with you and he should have the police pull you over and she leans across and starts yelling he's got weed he's got. Better right now would you do that to a man now I don't date men that I'd have to do that with. But Ok all right now Ok back to funniest line of any comedian Yeah come on that. I don't really have any I have very I don't the story that you're going to have to like you know what does does this Chris this is his image so huge His his his his footprint so big you just feel a little. You know we're just clobber and I you know I've worked I worked with a lot of comedians and when he is very humble but he is he can pick up like he did asking about any comedian he maybe not any I don't want to challenge him quite like 99 it's going to kind of them you can ask him about you can tell you where they started he can tell you is there a hacky can tell. You you know how you are you know you Ok. You really admire Chris I did oh I do so yeah you do you have all of the people that you work with they all put you up and no no no I didn't even know I had a pedestal when they do they're just doing it so they can I get my head like. Have you ever been a guru the every play the. Trying not to I really you know I was really. Humor is so personal and what's funny to you is not funny to the next guy and some people do use humor as a weapon for for attacking people like a roast that other people use humor to inspire and to bring people together like Lily Tomlin So you've got a whole spectrum of different ways that any tool can be used poorly and well so it really depends on what your approach this is can is the talk of the town Ok let me ask you this and then we go back to you Ok George Carlin. Let's talk about him oh by the way if you want to call in and really get on the show you cannot call in and that you have something funny to say over a 5 to a a 383 if you say it it's not funny we just get have to disconnect you know 5 to 8833 Ok Ok talk to us about George Carlin in terms of what was some of his funnier lines oh my goodness where do you begin George Carlin had at least 4 or 5 t.v. Specials that were 2 hours long he was often talked about real trendy in the fact that he would go with what was going on the time he evolved really started off as a suit and tie comic doing talk shows and then the his. Wife for a long time Brenda Curry took over and who also was his manager he walked up to her one day and said I'm going to go a whole nother direction you know I think I hold in their direction I'm going to he had a character that he occasionally brought out called The Hippy Dippy Weatherman actually did that reality yeah and then he what he did was he basically became the George Carlin that we know today great artists I think like Carlin like. Help us with some of his funny my view it's not a good it was well meaning but he had most of my can even say on the radio in fact you know there you can listen to 7 dirty words you can't say a repetition right all 7 of them were still are valid today and I used to love the way that he would deliberately divide an audience at the beginning of a show and then spend the rest of the show trying to get them back in other words it was a go go through that. He would walk on stage to be very quiet and I know we're going to make people cringe given my this is George's lineup and I knew he would do a blank in there if I read I well he said Have you ever noticed that the women who are against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want to in the 1st place. The room would go one way. The middle of the other way and then he would spend the rest of this getting them back that was his opening line and he pitched the controversial aspect and of the show which is sort of what we would like to do on our show as well where you know I was in Las Vegas many many many years ago in the seventy's and this young comedian came out his name was Steve Martin and he was you know I want to tell everyone here how proud I am an American I'm proud of this country this country has recognized human rights and even now the controversial issues of people that are that are gay and this was back when it was really a big thing to do but we are recognizing the rights and we are standing up for people's rights and we don't we're not going to discriminate against them and everyone's going yeah that's you know we have double the audience when you know it's really going to go by the way can we have all the gay people please stand up disrespected so we can give you a hand. Oh Ok Marie I hope you have something really funny to say well I don't have anything real funny to say but I don't take. This seriously that the true media you have on are great I've seen them many times and I have to question for them can fans be able to support 2nd City type true or her training ground and. What are the prospects of training ground opportunities for comedians in San Diego and I. Don't think I'm very much thanks yeah actually a lot of people don't know what we do have a nice young group of people that work down there in India street there's a little theatre back behind and I've been down there I don't. The a street in San Diego I have a great respect for the Indian community no no no it's in the street it's not the cafe Vero it's down there on the bottom of the hill right before the freeway over the county Yeah yeah the steps that lead right behind right next to that Shakespeare pub you've got in the back there's a theater where they have improv groups work back there and they're quite good we've had the pleasure of working with a couple of people there who did improvisational comedy and seen him of that and how did people get tickets comedy underground look that up I'll make sure I know is that every so often one of them want to try stand up because improv comedy and standup comedy are completely different animals and why is that what's the difference Diane between improv and stand well stand up you you plan it out you have a plan you have an opening a middle and an end where. You how long is it like 5 to 90 minutes 90 minutes Well Ok I sat for one sack and so improv which I'm not an improv person but I really respect it you have a couple of ideas and then you get up and you perform that am I correct Chris Chris is done both of course of course but ladies and gentlemen I want to welcome you to this is Talk of the town and the Chris out of rationing ration today put on by Diane and Ok this is really funny it wasn't the plan though I know but you know one thing I want because you said I watched Roseanne I was in a down and. You know of the Columbia. University one of the one of the graduation rate of speech grazier was that oh yeah Ok so. She really pulled it off oh yeah yeah I mean show so tell us about her for saying it was she 1st of all Who was she of course that was the famous Gilda Radner and was Gilda Radner was she smart very and where was she from originally they were the original core group that sometimes people call them the funny group of the originals. Saturday Night Live not ready for prime time players as they were known back in those days a lot of them were from 2nd City in Chicago area and Lauren Michaels you actually she and she actually had a kind of a unique thing that she went time was a clown and she was actually a street performer really and we saw her start of hope and get all my facts right on this one because it's been a while been a while back and she has was amazing as a physical comic as well as a spoken word comic and Ackroyd Dan Aykroyd Joe Miller she Jumblatt Bill Murray Hillary came later Bill Kingsley bill came with you know Bill Murray. Chris I have this vision of you because I know you said you did cruise ships you had to bring that have been but I also had it I also had a root canal. I'm Chris Chris Chris and me at a ski resort. Like Bill Murray did it Chris and a ski resort. As it is a comedian slash singer you have a strange fertile mind by. What the many people many people would agree with that's what am I wearing in that LP Well you know how you have the thing about your neck oh yeah I know that they have but you remember that show the bill that said that Bill Murray would do when he came on and he would be the lounge singer let's hear yeah can you give us a little bit of that I would if I were Bill Murray however Oh you're not going to I'm not Bill Maher you have been you've come here under false Bill Murray like you're talking about Steve Martin before what they did what I thought was their true genius was that they mocked showbusiness so well that the people they were mocking didn't know they were being mobbed Steve Martin was actually doing in my opinion a great impression of the standard egocentric stand up comic he was he took them for someone to paint that picture of the work force no sure I'd be happy to pay to $40.00. Like I was the more you know what he would do is he would comics for a long time the suit and tie comics you know your Carlin's your Seinfeld in the. In the early days. Seinfeld Letterman they would do is they would go up there and they thought that they were the keepers of the truth that somehow that they were like the modern philosophers you tell jokes guys I'm sorry that's what you do let's put this in perspective but Steve saw that and he and so he was actually playing the part of them. But now it's leave my heart and I know Bill Maher Bill Murray did the same thing towards Cruz acts and and tributes ever since just mocking them and. They loved him for it what about Steve Martin when he had the arrow through his teeth. He was breaking it out he was deliberately it is all a white suit he would get out of their rents and he would use the ego the 1st thing out of the other how can you be so. Freakin preconfigured when you're well out of that one and yeah he that was his that was his big open if you asked and you got it so. We got that one out Ok So Ok simple answer Ok so we got John Baluchi What about it I mean listen to the the Japanese his general was Germany's role that he played Samurai Sam Wright. And it was back Henry he lay out how to play Blues Brothers Blues Brothers or anybody it's a very sincere of you know what you like to have Ok yeah so who are your favorite comedians stay in Iowa I go way back way back to going to Red Skelton and we see Obama's people say Lucille Ball was the greatest comedian of all times she's right out there when they think it's so funny what made her so funny. What made Lucille Ball so funny Well 1st of all she was a woman in a time where women were not getting that much recognition and she came out and she was just wasn't she she was the one that actually invented the sit well that's I mean it's now so but that didn't make her funny she was she was just an amazing artist all around her expressions her mugging I guess was probably one of the biggest things that you know in my eyes I Love Lucy show yes simple things you know Ricky's going to meet somebody really important in the industry and she wants to include it how many times did that happen holding the scenario is yeah she would come in all I know is that she always had a lot of aspiring to do it not just when you know it's Ok so how about how about one of my favorite comedians and I'd like you to talk about this because we have by the way Chris. Has a degree from Oxford University the history of comedy. In the Western world and this is Masters is from Cambridge and his name is lying I have a degree from clown school any he also went all that Chris also went to Harvard and Princeton date a girl from Harvard didn't last long he did his Ph d. On how to be funny and Ok you know it for 12 the longest years of schooling in my line Woody Allen what do you Alan with yes yes. Funny not funny very funny very funny his movies hilarious. The parts of his movies about where he's always he's with the difficult woman who he really is married to he doesn't really like her and he's always got this undertone that he sort of repeats back neurosis neurosis is a comedy of comedy of absolutely So what makes Woody Allen so funny that I can answer that I don't. I mean he's he's funny it's not my kind of humor I mean I enjoyed some of his stuff I enjoyed the sleeper but I think I was a little young I may have thought through some of it but. You know I don't I want to tell you they they have recorded that now and it's a very I on d.v.d. I just want you to know I come looking for me I'm so scared so he so so so Woody Allen in the movie. Crimes and Misdemeanors Yes And and he you know there's he you know he's he's he's talking about breaking up with his he's talking about breaking up with his wife or they're going to they're going to get a divorce and do you remember that movie. Privacy I mean I was moving some of you know over that Ok you got yours back there so I guess there's a I mean you know I haven't seen all of his work my favorite I used to love his work when he was more of a purist when he 1st started off he did a series of movies like everything you want to know about sex were afraid as you hold up with bananas What are you doing after the revolution that is actual His actual standup comedy of the world that he was really funny there are a lot of people who never give him credit for being great stand ups his stand up was probably best when he was working off of his own scripts if you want to read something really funny you got to listen to or read his speech to the ground his graduation speeches to students were just knock them out of the park like this Ok young people that might be listening out there if there are anyone listening out there you know we always can say this is the only show my show is the only show on radio that actually has more people producing and they're listening to. You know we are proud you know. You know how they say if a tree falls you hear a show comes on does anyone here you know the same a lot here yeah but here's the here's here's the thing here's the thing. The heck was I going to say when it was said that if a tree falls it's probably falling on this radio show because that's. All right no young comedians out there right now and they're trying to think Ok I've got Diane Ok Chris there are really successful they're working moving their way up. How do I start I want to be a stand up comedian or do I even start. I would say go to college. Get a. College. Try it out. There's. Comedy Heights is a good place and. You know who was really funny yes Douglas. Mother and father of this program the only. Time in which birth was given by just one person on their own and he started this program and had so much to say and do about this radio station really. Douglas. Amazing ability to play on the guitar to be funny to to thank funny right and what was it about him the. Stories with. Us and we're going to you know we're going to do them we're going to come back this is. Talk of the town We'll be right there thank you for joining us on Talk of the town with former Attorney Michael Geary and the president's courtesy of John Baker. One. From the Golden Hill Broadcast Center this is Talk of the town. With former San Diego city attorney Michael Geary and welcome. Back to Talk of the town really are having a discussion today. About police and police issues and of course very topical given you know that we've got to you know front page stories right now on the shooting down in. South Carolina we have Tom St Who is. I don't we don't have enough time to read all those credentials he's a Ph d. And he's a former police officer former sheriff and Mike Marin and who is a he brings lawsuits against police officers and represents police officers who are victimized by the system here's a question I have for you. Andy of Mayberry. To me is the epitome of what a police officer should be well that's probably because it wasn't an awful lot of crime and may very well let's let's let's think about that for us here. Andy of Mayberry did not make situations worse he tried to defuse situations true. Barney had to wear a gun and he didn't wear a gun Barney carried his bullet in his pocket yeah yeah. So so that that you know when I see so let's start from there let's start let's just to say that's the ideal world that would love to live and may very well Andy and Barney everybody wants to live in Mayberry and it's safe to sleep with your with your windows open and your door unlocked and the keys left in the ignition of your car because it was essentially no or our concept of a threat Ok so let's think about this so some part of our lives. Our our our Mayberry some portions of our community some of our daily life are you know are in compass by that sure but then as we start to venture out yes we start to go into certain parts of town or certain times of night or certain locations certain kinds of activities you know the the bar scene at 2 o'clock 1 o'clock in the morning at the Gaslamp southeastern San Diego at 2 o'clock in the morning with low writing cars or with gang members right here around with sure guns in there so we have different aspects of our community and the police officers are charged with the responsibility of providing security across the board so can we all agree that is an extraordinarily demanding and challenging job to begin with it's not only are demanding in terms of what the officers called upon to do but it's a tension generating what I mean by that what you mean by actions you have the officer or is confronted with constant reminders every day every single day. How risky it is to approach your car under certain circumstances in the middle of the know how would you or any parent like to have their 28 year old son. By himself or his daughter by themselves in a very dangerous part of town pulling over a car of suspected gang members with. Automatic weapons. You know to enforce the law how would how would anyone like what do you think how do you feel about that is that as a parent or as a relative of somebody what well that what you describe is part of the job of a police officer it's part of the job that he or she signed on for and it's what they are trained extensively on how to deal with the types of situations but if they make a mistake then they get sued their they might get suspended that's a possibility but I think we have to remind ourselves though is that the vast bulk of what police officers deal with are not those kinds of situations they are there are situations where they're in you're interacting with human beings they're interacting with the citizens and what I see in the cases that I deal with the ones that are that rise to the level of serious violence by police officers and maybe just a false arrest and that is they're not taking advantage of their human relations skills including ones they're trained you Ok so let's stop there right so the Andy of Mayberry opportunities do we have a lot of Andy of Mayberry opportunities that because of bad practices. Not necessary that training of bad practices I mean is it simply of what we're talking about is that police officers are not recognizing that they need to be more Andy than they need to be more wretched that's a good Giuliano That's a great question I think what happens is that when an officer leaves the academy and goes into a police car a patrol car a squad car someplace in the United States. On frequent occasions their training officer the senior officer in the car will tell them I want you to forget all that nonsense that you were taught in the academy this is a real world out here I don't want you to make reckless decisions put yourself in jeopardy. Because you think that you don't have a right to do this this and that and so as a consequence they're told Don't be Mary don't don't be Andy of Mayberry out here because you're going to get yourself killed in myself but I mean some people are thinking well they're author carrying their military mistake they're they're there now that it's not so much trying to make the situation better but they're actually making situation you know I think like they say about doctors what have you to do do no harm you know it's a great that's a great point I like the militaristically a reference because it used to be years ago that if in fact you needed back up you needed some assistance in other words you had an armed individual inside of a residence you could call the swat team and they would show up and they would take care of business and the and there and they were there they're there directive was to handle the situation as painlessly as possible in other words don't just start shooting people and that sort of thing but now every time you turn on the television you see these responses of officers and they look tactically dressed officers they look they look like they're going to war yeah and it scares people. And it scares not not only people that are just watching television but it scares the minority community as well because they have a perception that there is an armed and surrogate roup that is there to somehow rather suppress their constitutional rights now the fact of the matter is that agenda is probably as far from the truth in the minds of tactical officers as one could get but let me ask you this question and I just feel like. Don't we see a lot of times where officers will go to a house and they'll be some kind of domestic dispute between the husband in the Weiss and all the cops ever do is just try to defuse a situation and calm the situation down I mean that happens all the time that you know I mean you're what happens the officers who are doing it right who are playing by the rules and who are following the training that they've had that's exactly what they do they take a situation and they try to defuse it and they try to work it out so things that everybody comes out safely now. Those kinds of situations nobody calls me on those they call me on the other type of officer who goes out to that same scene and instead of talking to people in treating them with dignity it is escalating it he is. Coming on like some sort of thug. And gets violent why why why why why part of it's personality part of it is I see this time and time again what I call contempt of cop the officer gets mad because the person isn't deferential to him or may argue with them but it's just verbal stuff and then that officer turns it into a violent situation and what what I know is that the vast majority of officers would not have turned it into a violent situation but this particular officer did for whatever his or her reason and so the key to that to me is in those situations where the officer is not handled properly what kind of accountability is there and too often in my judgment there isn't any accountability when officers have taken a situation that could have been handled safely and have turned it into something violent and now you have an injured citizen you have. You've jeopardized officer safety as well including officers who are responding and all because time and time again the officer has not handled the thing verbal ie just using human relations skills that they're taught and they've escalated the I can see that because in that search the vicious circle then then you know. An Andy of Mayberry situation arises the cop comes in and is you know Rudy Giuliani ish then something the cop to something wrong and then there is an investigation and then there's a cover up and then there's you know there's everybody feels like they have to back each other up in the place you know gets involved so it sort of starts a chain reaction but Tom you've traveled a lot internationally. You know. France Great Britain Germany what what what is their what are their police relations like of the equal to ours worse than eyes you know it's a great question I remember being in the Soviet Union when there was a Soviet Union working with the militia which is essentially the state police and they responded to a domestic violence case and it was in a high rise apartment building and what had happened I remember the officer that I was riding with handed me reached in his glove compartment and he handed me a plane you know listen to Canaan stay on top of the town please continue on time he handed me region a glove for me handed me a pistol and he said you may need this and I said I'm not authorized to carry a weapon and he said if you need it it will be too late to be concerned about what the laws say how well I stuck this stupid thing in my waistband later on I found that there was a complete outline of the. Pistol ready to handle handed to me in rust on my shirt and some glad I didn't have to shoot anyone and they've gotten United. Nevertheless what had happened in this domestic violence situation I had never seen in this country there was a woman and her boyfriend that. Were living together. In an apartment in the upper portion of his very very high or a high rise building and separated from one side of the high rise room that they were in use or former husband because he had no place else to go so her ex-husband was living on the other side of a blanket that was hung up separating their side of the room now can you imagine what kind of an environment that's creates for its tension you would think and needless to say they got into a big fight up there and at this point it was a longer I don't remember who got out how did they resolve it. One party killed the other oh so there was you got there too late we got what about what about but what about how the police are let's talk about less you know definitive situations what about and let's say Great Britain how are they more Andy of Mayberry are they more Rudy Giuliani I would say that they have a tendency to be very very or are differential you know do they they they distance themselves from too much emotional entanglement How do they do that how do they are they just better than we are they just have more education better training interesting question it isn't that they are different it's that the citizens that they're dealing with are also a little bit different in a more sophisticated earth find little I don't know sophisticated is the right word they're just less likely to want to get involved in a confrontational so they're citizens they're Visigoths they are they are you know they're like Anglos if you have a come on seriously what they cannot be that much more civilized than we are where their descendants you know they you know wind up in jail just like Americans do but I see them I see there are cops sort of a contrast now you see some of the cops with my automatic machine gun type weapons or ect but you still see a lot of the bobbies walking around that don't have they're not I'm good oh well. They're becoming more and more but is that a development that should we be trying to get the cops some cops in some part of in force me to not wear guns and that's what I've stated is that I understand the community here's my vision see what you see what you think you have a community your neighborhood your neighborhood planning group we have like I think 30 or so much so much neighborhood planning groups. They come together and they put together a plan working with the community law enforcement of how they want to try to protect their neighborhood you know vigilance keeping an eye on things you can kind of spot the people that come into the neighborhood they're going to do burglaries you can see him because a lot of homeless types are I guess it's a well organized thing but a lot of the crime and so they're out there working with their police officers they have a plan they meet on a regular basis and you see a drop off in crime a substantial drop off in crime that's not it's not romantic The cop doesn't have a gun on it's just good old fashioned community working together with law enforcement Ok now that's a lot a lot of crime could be reduced that way and it wouldn't and doesn't necessarily have to involve guns so should all the cops when we see a cop should every single cop have a gun on should every single cop be equipped exactly the same way or should we be thinking about you know maybe making enforcement more professionalized you know more college educated more you know planning and community organizing is that it mean if the ridges goal is to reduce crime reduce violence reduce burglaries that sort of thing is that is that part of it or is that you think that's just wishful thinking it's realistic in the sense that we have to be examining what kinds of circumstances lead to these ongoing confrontations Mike made a great point. A few moments ago talking about the fact that these officers. Are really trained in reference to certain types of language and certain types of a protocol you know the words the diffusing violent behavior by using the right word they exactly and I can give you a couple of examples of that you don't want to hear like Mike pretend you're trying Mike is completely out of control you know which Here let me tell you he's a very aggressive looking guy actually is a very sweet looking man but but go ahead tonight is completely out of. You. Let me let me show you Let me give you a quick example I responded to a loud party north of San Diego here in the city of Delmarva and the backup unit was in route and I beat him to the house and when I got to the house it was a Charger football team party oh yeah. Well now there were a lot of a lot of a lot of chargers there and they were they were having they were they were being very loud what is that any given Sunday what happened is my backup unit pulled up at the same time though when I approached the house the front door was wide open there was a guy that answered the door wearing a leotard and this guy was so big his shadow weighed 10 pounds and it turned out he was the weight trainer and he said what's the problem here and said well we've got a complaint concerning the loud noise and about that time my partner backed up and 4 or 5 of these chargers walked up and they were all in a front and straight line just right on the porch and I wanted to have to drop back one of them turned around and said all right and he used an epithet that I'm going to get in here but he said one of these charges turned around and said All right who's having sexual relations with the 14 year old he didn't use those exact terms but you can imagine when he said the partner that had backed me up you're up there and he says not that he used to another colorful word. Out off and one of these chargers said What do you mean knocked out so I stepped over with the Chargers and looked at my partner and said Yeah what do you mean knocked out. Absolutely dying laughing. On another occasion I responded to a bar fight with 2 guys that were monstrous and I. Back up unit came out and got me I should say the primary. Responder and he said I was looking for you both of these guys are Marines from Camp Pendleton and they are huge and they were on the bar for fighting so I said all right when I walked in there and I watched these 2 guys rolling around and throwing blows and so I grabbed a chair and put it down and sat down and one of them looked up at me and he was not mortar fire oh my God it's terrible he said What are you doing you said that to me he's on top of that I just want you how do we get our police officers like how do we get a police officers to find to find gratification from defusing the situation rather than you know you know trying to impose a certain authority over it well I think the one thing we have to remember is that many of them do you know I mean that many of them do get grand I think it's more it's more often that is the case than the other i little i think that's true and I hope certainly hope it's true but let's let's contrast the situation the time just described with the Chargers with the case that happened at the Francine Busby fundraiser if you all remember that wrong and that was a sure it was it was a wine and cheese fundraiser at a very nice home an insidious and there was a loud noise call for some reason that somebody called you know that Francine Busby she's always having those wild parties. That it was a heckler is who was who called but nonetheless a deputy shows up now look at the contrast. He walks through the front door absolutely on legal or illegal he walks in the house he doesn't knock on the door he doesn't ask for permission he doesn't ask to talk but he and the homeowner finds them amidst this these mostly women who this wine and cheese thing in your kitchen he then and she says What do you what's going on he ends up slamming her to the ground and when all the other people come over know what are you doing he starts pepper spraying all these mostly women now that is a. Person who has absolutely no judgment he's violated the law and guess what he's still out on patrol 2 years later but is that was that what was behind that that he has that what I mean is that because there were Democrats and he was trying No it was it was somebody who had been poorly trained but more more importantly he has had absolutely poor judgment and had never been held accountable by the sound like Sheriff accordingly though at the well that's the problem is there is such a distance between the patrol deputies and Sheriff Gore So who's in between sergeants and lieutenants who's paying attention to what's going on they're not in situations like that and what we after that case one of the things we learned was the sheriff's department to this day. When people file internal put internal affairs complaints a large percentage of them are not even investigated or they refuse to investigate them goes basher of Kauri even know about that I don't know I see this goes back to the whole idea that I said before doctors don't want any doctors sued no matter what lawyers don't want to admit they have any problems same with teachers to oh no there's no problem with teachers you know they're all totally qualified cops is the same way everyone is very supportive and that you know that so sometimes the protection which is necessary and you yourself admitted Mike that sometimes the cops are wrongfully charged I know is former city attorney that the vast majority of times when they're charged that's not valid they get sued all of the time you know there's another problem as far as training is concerned Mike alluded to this a little bit and it's the fact that these individuals these young officers. Have an impression that being afraid is somehow rather improper being they think they can't show they became to be afraid what they don't recognize and when I teach recruits when I have taught recruits in the past I've constantly harped on the fact that. Courage. Is not the absence of fear it's the control of fear out Ok but I want to go back though because what it is I agree with and that's a good point but I want to go back to what we were saying I was trying to say to that that we all understand that everyone is self protective Ok but what Mike is saying is that if if we would have more accountability it would be best for everyone in the long run why don't we have the accountability why are we all so blindly protective of our own Well I can tell you that in police work you know it is a culture that I think is different than many professions for example in our profession the law of the law profession. When lawyers violate the law when lawyers abuse people. It reflects poorly on on me yes and it makes me crazy all right and it's not something that I that I would support Ok in police work there is what they call the code of silence right that is something where even good cops even cops who play by the rules. Even cops who know that they're working with bad cops. They are it is absolutely against this code to turn them in and to tell the truth about what they've done why Tom Why. Probably because of a fear once more in other words if I wind up in a situation out in the field somewhere and I have an a reputation of being an informant of being untrustworthy How can I depend upon other officers now taking risks to to on my behalf to protect me in other words it's a fear of I'm going to lose their confidence and are going to help me when I need help I may throw something at it to. Judges make the rules city council members make the rules legislators make the rules the Public Utilities Commission makes the rules so when you are a rule maker or a rule enforcer if you and the other rule makers and rule of forces have a deal amongst yourselves that you enforce it against everybody else but not yourself you kind of giving yourself this really privileged environment that is like the Senate United States it's the same way you they'll fight with each other try to take the Senate on as an institution and you will get shot down Same with the House of Representatives so is that what's going on here is members only privilege status don't ruin it you know you can pretty much however you want is that it or is that a misunderstanding No that's in my judgment of my can jump in if this is inconsistent with your thinking what you're thinking it isn't a question of. A code of silence in those environ in that environment you're talking about that is based upon I'm going to give you this if you give me that the quid pro quo quid pro quo. Quid pro quo saying well he speak you speak 7 languages and even Latin on top of that I mean come on yeah you know alphabet again but they also have a lot of it is it if they don't you know I'm sure you speak Greek as well. Not well but the fact of the matter is the code of silence that emerged in the rather mafia that's right and as a matter of fact that word came out in that 1st investigation we were talking about involving the prostitute with the rocks down the 45 people the women with the 25 people that were of women that were killed the nobody here in San Diego no one ever solved well over 48 it was $28.00 when they had a giant press conference and decided that well gee maybe we need a task force to investigate So Mike in time you are now in charge of law enforcement throughout the United States what do you do. I'm going to standardize. Training. So that one agency does not have an impression of being. Less accountable than another agency I'm going to require a national training. Environment is training a one time thing you get trained in the beginning and that's it or how does that work you know it's just like see earlier continuing legal education where you have to have x. Number of hours in order to maintain your certifications in some states in the United States there is no such requirement in the state of California there is an organization of peace officers standards and training that requires ongoing training when I think of training I think of getting up in the morning. Going for a run you know lifting weights and doing it systematically you know and setting goals and monitoring my heart you know say you know what kind of you know progress I'm making you know getting my weight down is that what we're talking about here is as police officers are sort of an emotional psychological know how that that we're trying to instill on a daily basis and if that is the case how do we do that how do we how do we really I mean continue no education you know the great we all go and don't listen you know and play the tapes and maybe pick up a little bit but this is not the kind of training where you can do it on a casual hit or miss bases so what do you think like well I think the key to it is not so much the training because the training has to be there and has to be ongoing I know what you're going to say what accountability on ability I do and I don't know i k Ok so for so for example you and I go to a Seal the training for law and if we and we learn the rules in court we violate the rule we get hammered by the judge right all right there's going to be accountability for us a police officer goes to his training they they teach him let's say you know how to defuse a situation he goes out in the street and doesn't do it. There is no accountability All right so the answer to your question if I were in charge what would I do yes Ok 2 things one is there has to be. Evaluation of police officers from outside agencies in other words you need internal affairs that are not provided part of the police department it's got to be somebody that is independent of the agency if you have that in-store in place for every agency every police agency it's somebody outside the department who handles complaints and investigates and takes disciplinary action things will be better Secondly. Police prosecutions that is prosecute criminal prosecutions for on duty crime have to be handled by somebody other than the district attorney who relies on the same cops for their cases and I think there can be an outside prosecutor or in for example in the state of California it should be handled every potential criminal case against a police officer should be handled by the attorney general not the local district attorney because of a conflict of interest and I think that we have it would be fair to both the police and to the citizens Ok how about this. We'll listen doggone it we're out of time Ok you guys you know this I wish you wouldn't events in arresting today because we coulda had a little bit more time that I don't even I can't think of any space it was vacant thank you so much for being here this is Talk of the town and thanks for tuning in and don't forget go on our website again estate website and sign up so we can bring more programs like this to you and keep you informed thank you thank you for joining us on Talk of the town with former San Diego city attorney Michael Carey here on k. And as Jay just cancel 89 point one f.m. . Serving Santiago from high atop monument peak and the logo to mountains this is k n s j where you can hear talk of the town with Micah Geary Monday through Friday from 8 to 9 am and 4 to 5 pm our legacy shows occasionally feature the late Douglas Holbrook talk of the town is an insightful program about what our community and our country need to be doing to get back on track that's Michael Gurian. 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