In case you didn't know the reason why we why this is a major area of of conversation and topic is that the Board of Supervisors is hearing an appeal of the plane Commission's denial of the project next week next Monday the 16th starting at 9 am at the adorning center in Eureka. I anticipate that there will be opportunity for public comment that will run all day . Until everyone is going to horse and. Then the board may take up a vote that afternoon or evening and if they don't take it up that day they will kick it to Tuesday the 17th so. This is your time now to help change the hearts and minds of your fellow humble teens are we humble to what are we. Through through the power radio so call in I have a couple of rules so. First off this is a controversial project and so I want people to recognize that this is a controversial project so you we're not going to allow any badmouthing of anybody you know we're going to force decorum rules and 2nd I can't fact check this on the fly and so I'm not going to try to fact check it so do your best to try to keep it factually accurate but it's just impossible for me to fact check this if I were to try I'm sure I'd get accusations that I am leaning one way or the other so I'm just not even going to try so each person will have at max 5 minutes at 5 minutes I will cut you off and move on to the next caller and I want to make sure that there's an opportunity for everybody to have their say so if you can make it quicker than 5 minutes I would fully encourage that. And to start off let's let's get to my gainer and let's talk about 0 waste holidays maybe can you hear me. Pay and so you are with 0 ways tumbled for those of us who have been living under a rock What is your always tumble. We got going in 2011 when the king incorporated as a local serving nonprofit in 2014 and lots of public education advocacy especially with our local governments in what to do to reduce waste and then some technical assistance and Watson lots of training with businesses and school districts and so you're focused on this idea of 0 waste so for a lot of folks who may not be familiar you know they're used to the 3 R.'s reduce reuse and recycle where to 0 waste fallen in that kind of rubric not well there we struggled in particular has an edge to it and we promote prevention 1st foremost proactive upstream all the decisions and habits and things that we can do to prevent generating waste in the 1st place which is really that 1st Our that has been neglected reduced for over 40 years we mean at this time and that's what we're really working for. And it's being embrace not only nationwide but worldwide some of the best information our partners and your way Scott won their way San Diego you know so we're doing it in Humble can you know our locally all about preventing it and then back to the old 3 R.'s The 2nd priority is reuse and there's a lot of reuse that helps with preventing and vice versa they're kind of blended together sometimes and then finally when you've exhausted all of that then the waste that you've generated to try to figure out how to recycle or compost so if. If someone doesn't really kind of get why they should care about this what what is the what is the pitch why 0 waste. Closed Well I don't know a story that a little thing that happened to me I was out tabling and in the early days of explaining to the public about the always feeling from both services and I young person came up to me and said well this is pretty cool I'm really glad that you people are doing this I myself prefer to work on global warming and I just thought well I won't even say public airways what I thought but I think there was clearly a disconnect and this is really one of those. Issues causes it's broader than one issue where you can make a difference as an individual in your workplace in your daily life it's really easy to convert the amount of waste that you have prevented into greenhouse gas emissions were due and it does affect global warming. Right because there are so much embedded energy and in all this if you're talking about an Amazon package right you know you buy one thing off of Amazon to deliver it in an oversized box and inside that oversized box is another package and maybe another package in time or that one and each one of those highs its own ecological cost there is to come $1.00 of the things that we. Is never talked about enough in and we're beginning to do a better job of it and humble is before you ever buy that product or that the packaging. There's so much pollution especially in the petrochemical industry and all of our single use plastic doodads . There's so much pollution and energy used to manufacture stuff before we even get to us so that's a big part of what we focus on and now as the sun now is the season where we are most wasteful. You you provide me with a great start which is we throw away 25 percent more trash than usual between Thanksgiving and New Year's Eve Tis the season to be incredibly wasteful but here's how to change that that's a recent op ed that you wrote for the matter Union. So let's go through some of these ways that our listening audience can have a more sustainable holidays where we reduce waste and really actually probably end up having a more meaningful holiday season exactly I mean I I can attest to that personally it's manager a personal journey for myself to you know every year get better and better at this and it ends up where you know your relationships the kinds of things you do for each other are improved by the 0 waste commitment so you know there are many ways to reduce waste because the holidays are so wasteful but I kind of zeroed in on 3 main ways the 1st one we always think about is it's a time of. Letting people know how much you appreciate them how much you love them like giving and swapping gifts. And that seems to be I'm very hopeful. Genex y. Z. Folks are all over figuring out how to you know that crazy wild affluence and overconsumption isn't necessary to express how much you care about somebody or to have a good time during the holidays in so lot more emphasis in giving instead of giving things to. Give gifts of experiences travel tickets to events gift certificates and more and more people are it's it's become more and more popular every year all over Humboldt County and I imagine all urban and rural parts of the Us handmade crafts artists and you know all the craft fairs right now are packed and that makes me happy because it's locally made most of time or at least made handmade by someone. So whole lot less. Pollution involved and in those kinds of things but just to just to give somebody a personalized gift certificate and say I'll help you with your car repair or your yard work or let's do this task at your house together or you know those are the things that. Forge friendships and and family ties for many years and a lot of those kind of there are some ways that you end up as the get together getting as much out of it as the the recipient. And then with gift giving there's all the you know the the stuff with the wrapping in the packaging and. People are starting to really be you know aware of that they can use bags Klaas's used over and over again paper bags. In I learned from my in-laws The wealthy family there's this friendly competition in nobody even speaks of it but we have wrapping paper that goes back and forth and back and forth for years. And a few of my friends locally in Humboldt County have we do the same thing now we want to do that. We can use some of the same you know like a gift card or something and we scratch out main and put me in a name so there's really no need to generate that much waste you can void so much of that in for the holiday. Decorations thing is interesting to me I have a. A neighbor who is one of just extraordinary artists with florals and greenery Susie Haggerty and I've been learning from her and some of the most beautiful beautifully decorated events and homes and everything that I've seen during different holidays throughout the year she gets a lot of it with what's in the natural environment in some of the gnarly twigs and branches and things like that she decorate. You know bows from trees and. I'd even notice you know a lot of folks really love sparkly glitter which really is micro have stick and that's being replaced by small. Red and green yellow leaves and then I've been seen where people are using a whole conjoined lead and so you know you can sprinkle this boy colors all over your table and and then brought out a yard when you're done. So there's a lot that goes around being just more creative and using what from the natural environment there's. More and more Refn aking and in those kinds of workshops being offered for people to get together the packaging thing is really. Interesting you start off with just as I was saying with local stores and shops and then all of the holiday crafts there's buy locally and then you can avoid all the Amazon kind of transport pop again from ordering online you just totally avoid that mess you rack up. You know your carbon footprint there because there's a lot of that you know in the transportation in the making of the cardboard in that you know. It really contributes to where we. Consumer preference for your waist is being heard loud and clear now and it's starting to really happen with legislation and manufacturers and good distributors are being criticised by consumers and that's one of the the most powerful things I can encourage all county folks to do when they see wastefulness happening in a lot of times they contact dearly Kumble and we're glad to hear a report about something that's a good example or a bad example but the most powerful thing they can do is go to the store manager and say I don't want this kind of stuff in our local stores we will buy from you and we'll be loyal shoppers if you do this and said you know. It's a time of lots of partying soon longer than when I started lining up at my house. You know after a big dinners I have some. Containers ready to send all the leftovers home with friends and. Food for people is really the goal to place I call it information central your I have all that information I had a time if you're planning a large event or a dinner at your home where there's a possibility there could be some. Edible food left over we have far too many people in our home region who are don't know how they're going to feed their kids tonight and so food for people's phone number is 7 o 7. 4453166 and I urge everybody to find out they will tell you which food pantry which place will take what some places only take non-perishables and others you know if it gets not being unwrapped your anything especially you know when there's banquet will take those kinds of things. And then of course the food that can go to people can go to farm animals and what can't be come close to that way backyard compost is important. My friends and I have worked out something for some of us that always seem to have this is all year long but especially around the holiday season more traveling and we we tend to leave out of Humboldt County airport in the can we will get some when God awful hour early early morning and we work out where someone is the driver. For us and what we do for the early morning driver who takes us in the circle of friends as. We empty out our refrigerator and in the back seat of their car we put a bag of you know all the fluids so the food doesn't get wasted and. You know if I'm going to be gone for a week or 2 I pull the plug and then I'm able to save energy that way so and then. All of our organizations events with invite invitations to your friends to your home I am starting to just be in habit of informing everybody ahead of time. Our organization or I'm trying to really make this party a year wasted them join me in this won't you you know if it's a pot what you can try really hard to be here a little and then everybody brings things in with lots of plastics and so you just have to inform all the attendees you can put it on. In your personal and the place and you can let people know. That it just adds. To the season and to the celebration because people get the feel good about being a part of. Our Maggie thank you so much and 0 waste humbled is inviting people to visit it's office during our kid as r.k. Main Street Arts Alive on Friday December 13th they will have music wine snacks and a art show there at the Hunt building at 83913 St in Arcadia between h on the plaza and the campground restaurant so I thank you so much to make again are the vice president as he always humble for joining us on tonight's show All right we're going to move on to the 2nd half of Tonight Show we're going to focus on the Humboldt wind project so as an overview in case you haven't been paying attention the humble wind project is a proposed to wind farm on monument and Bear River bridges outside of Scotia California is proposed to be a $47.00 turbine wind project it would generate somewhere around $155.00 megawatts of electricity per year and that is before it gets plugged into the grid there is some energy lost in in connecting to the grid and it will connect to the grid at the bridge will substation. This project has garnered a fair deal of controversy on one hand there have been people in support of the project because it is a renewable energy project they believe that it is necessary to invest in clean renewable energy and they believe that this project is an example of that there are other people who are opposed to the project because of sites cite specific impacts. Given the relatively under sterve landscape of the project site so this is this is something that's really captured a lot of the community's attention and there is a hearing before the Board of Supervisors this Monday this coming Monday the 16th at 9 am at the adorning center in Eureka and we have our 1st caller on the line to let us know their opinion on this project Good evening and evening who are talking to you I am. Operating in. The secretary treasurer of the Humboldt Building and Construction Trades All right Jeff you have 5 minutes to outline your case on the project. Ok I appreciate the opportunity to speak. Your Building and Construction Trades I really just want to stuff the record straight because there's a lot of different information going out there are standing labor union labor here in humble County the building trades actually represents 14 affiliated labor unions all working together to encourage better pay and better working conditions. To ensure benefit. Our local community we find a project labor agreement and that's what everybody's hearing about regarding 'd. Wind energy project the company wants to bring renewable energy to. We can build a. Project here with local hires in propelling way BUSY. Wind 'd projects will 'd not only provide local jobs it also creates an opportunity for local residents to participate in a. California approved a printed schip program without having to drive to the Bay Area and farther away for training. One in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 551 and the National. Contractor Association in. Redwood entire chapter are fully committed this project is approved to reopen their training center here in Eureka and offer apprenticeship opportunity to the community. Project labor agreement spells out working conditions . And high wages at least prevailing wage for this project are all workers on the progs humble when project will create a profit meant only $300.00 prevailing wage jobs and jobs and it will provide broader economic benefit in the county through increased spending in the community as a result of construction projects will also result in the estimated $1000000.00 in tax revenue over 30 years of this project here for Humboldt County and again I think there's a lot of dialogue going out there I don't want to offend anybody and any group but to actually create opportunity for our people that live and work here in Humboldt County where now with the project. Or with the work in the area I can tell you. 'd the fact of the matter is they're leaving the area moving away people's kids and grandkids. Out of the county because there's just no work here our job as hard as it may be we are one of those groups that support this project and I thank you for your time so Jeff if I can hold on the line for one second a number of times we talked about prevailing wage and that might be a term that folks aren't familiar with can you ketosis what a prevailing wage means in the union speak. Well it is actually. This project. Or any other project a private project in this project is this would allow. Any company and I don't want to just spell it out on this project but any project of the private company have. They can just pay whatever they want to pay. Not that they treat them battered treat them good but they're not there's not an answer of how much. They have to be paid with the project prevailing wage prevailing wage that standard typically not because of pride but like any job out here on the road any public works project where taxpayer dollars are paying for the project. Because our collective bargaining agreement. Dictate. Because. It would take a $15.00 an hour. And it would turn this job or any other job. Public works up to $65.00 an hour. A retirement and. Whatever is involved in trade collective bargaining. On this project because it is private it could have been done under what I just told you. But because we do have. Project labor agreement that the standard and it's not our standard agreement. Made on wages and working conditions. The company is actually paying or the developer is actually pain in this case are more money under prevailing wage and they would have had to and that's the result of this collective bargaining agreement with them as a p l a thank you Jeff for clarifying that and thank you for joining the environment show here on k m u d And I want to remind callers that this is now your time to to call in Let your voice be heard on this project the number in the studio is 92339011 or you can also call 800 k. M. U. D. r a d And you can remember that because k. Night is rad that is 805683723 In case you don't want to spell again 707-123-3911 let us know about the project to everyone else online right now. It's looking like somebody is about to join us and they're on. I call it what you name it my name is Alan Taylor I'm calling for Troia Hi Ellen it's nice to hear your voice. Ellen how how do you feel about the project when you know. What put continually frustrate me is that the entire project is owned by Energy Capital Partners there are other subsidy areas are heavily invested in all kinds of very bad for the environment. Fossil fuel projects like fracking and like building oil wells and platforms out in the Arctic and there's absolutely nothing preventing them from taking the profit that we that we provide for them in the project and investing in those other things which they certainly will do because there is an expanding market for fossil fuel development and it doesn't look like it's going to stop anytime soon so what we're doing is running the atmosphere for the entire planet by investing with. Corporations that then invest in fossil fuels it's not a question of idiology it's not a question of not liking corporations I'm I'm with you on our need to have large scale proxy. Projects but this one is no good because right off the bat. And they've said that they said that they said that there is no no guarantee or statement saying that they're not going to reinvest the profits that we provide for them in this profitable project in all or other fossil fuel development in various parts of the world it's a very very big corporation and nobody's give me an answer to that it might it might be you know a carbon trade off maybe they're doing this to get a carbon trade off but that's no better that's really just exactly the same it allows them to continue producing greenhouse gases and I'd like to hear an answer to that from someone. Ok so you're concerned about the ownership structure Energy Capital Partners is the owner of Tara Jen and Tara Jin is the one who is looking to build and operate the project you still have 3 more minutes if you want to carry is involved in. Greenhouse gas emitting free a greenhouse gas emitting free project that here but that's only one small arm of the entire. On the entire corporate And they ever try to carve. Goals growth capital development all kinds of of very intense and aggressive and assertive. Other subsidiaries are going to take there's no reason they won't take the profit that we provide in in paying for the electricity that we buy for them and investing it in. Excavating for more fossil fuels and fracking and all those things that we hate some of it really nearby Amine they may be invested in the Jordan Coke project which is kind of looming on the horizon and I don't see this is as as a teaching me objective that it's not becoming it's not I mean the thing that the proponents of the project say we have we have to be part of the solution this is not part of the solution it's just war part of the of the of the problem we have to to develop our greenhouse gas objectives in a way which doesn't do exactly the opposite I mean we're trying to hit California's objectives of by 203050 percent reduction this is not going to do that we have to take a project that will pick various projects that will and I mean it it's it's a sort of nimbyism on the part of the proponents of the project they're there to say they're just trying to meet California's and humble counties narrow objectives of making themselves fossil fuel free pure but the net effect is to increase greenhouse gas production even further. Ok I want to comment that I had to be very great Sure while I hope that some folks from the project team are listening to this I had to anticipate they probably are and so if there's an answer. You know when you don't even later so minor compared to something like this it reminds me of back then the whole thing reminds me of back. Thanks and I think Alan thank you so much for calling in and Ellen just to be clear it is a good friend of Epix and Jeff who I've met through this project I would now count as a friend as well so this is this is a really it's been a really interesting project individually for me to have folks high respect and I really listen to and on both sides of it in so I'm I'm looking forward to learning more from everyone who calls in to night and we have hope All right well the lines are free so give us a call 933911 again this is a 47 turbine project the turbines can be up to 600 feet tall and. It could deliver up to $155.00 megawatts of electricity that is what they call its nameplate generating capacity. All right we have a new Caller Hello hi what's your name my name is Sarge Saddam might know me I was after 40 years like to make a comment about the Djerejian am I on the yes you are go ahead I'm sorry I'm on the earth correct my concern is like pollution as I travel to Route 50 nearly Nevada I was observing these when propelling structures and what I observed the grunt sheilds of. A brute 50 was burning king of lights all night long looked like spaceships. And I actually didn't see it Doug Burns but I assume there will be and have been many. And I found it extremely annoying to watch those blinking lights all night long I call it light pollution I think it externally about I know next to the freeway not only do I love the Black Sun monument bridge but I hate officer more was violently abusing quite grim innocent of when to wouldn't done with given Gypsy Shayna 97 you can take my answer on the world there goodbye take you sized All right so we have a concern about light pollution disease turbines as I was just saying are up to 600 feet tall so these are these are very tall at that height at the ridgeline they require f.a.a. Approved light structures so they will have some sort of a light on top whether or not that is a fixed constant a red light or some sort of blinking light I'm not sure so maybe if there is something from the project who's listening you could help clarify that. All right we have more people all cued up Koehler what you name what you considered or what your statement I care it's not a lie and say that Oh and how are you and good how are you you know I'm I'm surviving what's. What was your take on this project now and I am trying to turn off I don't end up with a weird echo Yeah but. What is next week on this project Well I'm a community liaison for Karajan and have been in this role as. For the last 18 months really working to facilitate public dialogue and input on this project so that the company could develop the best project possible while mitigating impacts to the maximum extent feasible. So I am in support of this project and I did want to hop in and you know I've been listening and I really appreciate. Ellen's comment and what I would say about Energy Capital Partners and carriage and the carriage it is that it's all an independent company it is owned by Energy Capital Partners it is the portfolio company of Energy Capital Partners Energy Capital Partners is a bank and Energy Capital Partners a bank has many investors and it has to create a return on investor investment for its investors one of which is Cal perks so that our that is the state employees retirement account is invested with Energy Capital Partners and I would really challenge anybody anybody who banks anywhere basically except for a credit union to see that that bank is not invested in some form of fossil fuel development and even within that. People are looking for the offshore wind project as you know we don't have to do is a humble wind project onshore because there's the offshore project that project is going to cost about a 1000000000 dollars 500000000 dollars to a $1000000000.00 And that money is not going to come from this community it's going to come from principal power which is also invested with. Energy the I I don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good I personally have retirement accounts and when I set up my retirement accounts I asked my financial advisor and said hey I don't want any investment in fossil fuel money and they said that that's not actually possible if they offered me a no gambling tobacco or alcohol package as a moral alternative but they would not then could not give me a retirement package that did not have fossil fuel so I am personally invested strangely in fossil fuels as are most people in the United States and I don't say this lightly but it is simply a matter of truth and if we're going to say no to the humble wind project because it is that all correlated to natural gas or fracking then we have to all take a really strong and hard look at our economic expenditures who we bank with and. Who Where are retirement accounts are in. All right not only you still have a little bit of time left if you want to make another statement I have a 1000000 for you have perfect so you know this project the Humboldt wind project is the most environmentally mitigated wind project in the u.s. History one this is because it's California and we have stronger environmental laws in California than any other state we have sequel we have the California danger Species Act and we have the California Clean Water Act that has made this project and we're on the north coast with one of the most environmentally sensitive regions and a community that really cares about protecting the environment and so it has been through this process through engagement with the state and struggle agency through engagement with organizations like ethic and Audubon and the you know the laundry list goes on and on Friends of the ill river there a project has come and been modified over time through this input to come out on the other side. Yes This project will have impact there's no no 2 ways about that but doing nothing also has impacts and at the current more than 50 percent of our energy and Humboldt County is coming from natural gas which is being piped in from the east so absent people everybody being off the grid which is not physically possible for the 90 percent of humble residents a project like this will create local renewable energy it will be a we used to locally Redwood Coast Energy Authority has a project power purchase agreement in place that would purchase about 80 percent of the electricity for humble county's needs that would be enough energy for about half of our energy needs and so this is a project local renewable energy woke. Only you know and we're going to see local worker on this and it's going to have an economic benefit for county and a diversified economy and all right now and I'm going to cut you off now though I'm sorry last night last. In a line with the values. For the last decade All right well thank you so much and Allan for calling in not Ellen De la but the project liaison to local project liaison for Tara Jen the project developer as a disclaimer Natalie and is also my former boss at Epic and I am still good friends with Natalie and and so. I I just want to make that clear. Because this is something that comes up with this project is you know humble County is a very small place and I have friends on both sides of this issue all right we have another caller Caller what's your name. Hello you're on air what's your name Michael I'm Michael Michael what is your take on the humble when project. Ok your voice Ok we got an echo going to our Yeah yeah Michael Evans and bitterly yeah yeah go ahead Michael Well well get the follow now and want to with a treat I don't have any investment in fossil fuel I have to put all my investment in things around the county and everybody can do that in fact there's a group who are putting together a solar investment consortium so that we can really get this thing moving. You know I don't know what to say about. People in investments but I will say this the environmental impacts that have been determined to be unavoidable and significant. Are real these are real animals this is a real wildlife this is these are real plants this is an ecosystem that's real has been functioning for centuries but the wind turbines are kind of an abstraction it's pretty difficult for anyone to actually put their teeth into something that's 600 feet tall this is an industrialization of a landscape that we've known as as part of our biological heritage when Ellen talked about Maksim and shades of Max am I see the same thing and I think most of the residents do every time big money comes into this county they roll us we're rubes we see the shiny money we leap for it employment goes up and there's the bus we don't really want to see this happen like this and especially for a project that is going to further devastate our our naturally college that we have people find it extremely offensive to place something like this on their sacred lands where they have been for centuries and you know the 1st settlers there the Marstons they recognize that they're not for this project where is the sensitivity of the environmental community that thinks that giant machines which have created the global warming crisis and the system that they belong to the financial system the things that Madeline and her friends invest in. We're to think where do they think these problems came from and and do you really believe that using something that has destroyed the ecology of the earth is going to improve the ecology of the earth these are just really basic things this is not something abstract we know in our own lives if something is harming us we have to stop doing the things that make that harm happen Humboldt County is one of the pioneers in alternative energy there was a time when 30 percent of the solar panels sold in the world were sold in humble county in the creativity of the community that saw the need for alternative energy before they were even thinking of global warming has gone on to create many things of value for this county the economy of this county was supported through the lean years after the timber glut bust by that kind of steady low flow of people exchanging goods and money with each other it's not a macro economy it's a mind it's a micro economy but it's what keeps neighbors together now there's going to be a March this Saturday where people can come out and show up and walk from Rio del to Scotia or Scotia Rio del or working that went out still. And and you'll be able to walk with people that you probably disagree with on a number of issues they may be voting for different presidential candidates and you they might support other things they might go to a different church than you but together we will walk because this county needs to come together with people who have disagreement to become the political force so that the kind of Terri Jentz the kind of Max and the kind of Chase Manhattan doesn't buy our our our harbor and Calpine doesn't set up l. And g. And in the bay. All these kinds of attempts to colonize our natural wealth we have to stand together to prevent that from happening our supervisors are not going to do it unless we stand up they need to see everybody so I really hope people will come out at noon in Rio del in Scotia and get to know people that they probably haven't ever known before and to walk alongside as they say walk walk in their shoes and see what this county is really made in this county is made out of rugged individualists these are people who solve problems on their own everybody's got a junk yard in their backyard because they use this stuff as mega gainers that they don't throw it away necessarily they find ways to reuse it this is our past this is our present and this is our future Thank you Michael. So you mentioned a March noon unclear if it's leaving from Rio dollar Scotia where could people find out more information about that March if there are so interested north coast coalition. North Coast Climate Justice Coalition I think that's terrible an acronym. Just having Give me a call 693506 has that 629-3506 All right yeah so thank you very much Michael again another great friend of epic another person elect who I look up to in this county so thank you so much for Jonah people think Deep don't go for the shiny coin that just emerged in the water and if you reach for it you can be able to pick it up. Kind of sounds like a little more the Rings reference there Michael thank you so much for joining us. All right have a good night all right we have more people on the line gosh you guys are doing what I want is your line at the border right color What's your name I mean my name is Kurt Hi Kurt Welcome to the environment show what do you have to say about the humble wind project so I think that. Basically it's trumped by the offshore wind project the other people have mentioned that this is far greater. Development than any onshore wind is going to be I don't know why people want discussing this because Redwood because the Energy Authority has been working on this for several years and it's got the backing of the Bureau of ocean energy management states involved they have a project partner that has developed a giant ocean turbine successfully that flowed off cause when they're in there in line to do this project which is moving forward skinny 30 miles offshore With $150.00 what megawatt project is far less environmental impact than anything onshore it would be and these are world class turbines that they're going to be putting in year that are being developed there are up to 12 megawatts each just 5 of these turbines would power more than Humboldt County would ever need an energy. So you know when you look at what's going on with the charity and project with all of the issues. You know this offshore wind project is much much better it also has a potential to. Do humble big huge job. Incubator because these these twin towers need to be a simple that they need to be pulled off shore there could be many many many wind farms off the coast humble they does not have a problem with over bridges to to keep these from going into the bay it's been we're very well talked about if you go to Google right because energy offshore wind you will find a lot of information about it it's been in the news for several years and I just I just don't know what people are talking about this it's much much better project and more bang for the buck you know will have many more jobs created then the charity and project could be it's just it just boggles my mind that people aren't talking about this because it kind of it kind of makes the Karajan project is kind of a you know moot point so that's really my my interjection here . I think that it's just something that is far better suited it could actually win potential of the humble Coast has been known for quite a while to be one of the greatest wind potentials of any of the coastlines United States out 30 miles it's just incredible you can look it up it's just a resource that's on paralleled in the country so there's there's just a general there waiting to be harvested for wind so that's what we need to concentrate on in my view thank you so much Kurt thank you for joining the environment show tonight Ok thanks a lot All right so Kurt point out the potential advantages of offshore wind energy development relative to distressed year old project so. What do you think a mud All right we have another caller on the line color What's your name Gerri great or Hi Well welcome to the environment show how do you feel about the humble wind project Well I hope that the plank and I'm speaking to my husband Frank as well as me and we've got nearly. 40 years of experience under our belt in watershed restoration and dealing with road on unstable slope and so we took a careful look at what posed and have major concerns. And we hope that the planning commissioners will uphold I mean the Board of Supervisors will uphold the planning commissioner's decision and not allow this Karajan project to go forward. Yes and the environmental rip impact will happen from this project are significant damaging long term in many cases are going to be irreversible on the landscape. The benefits of the project are short lived in comparison and can be achieved in other ways RINGBACK that don't permanently impact such an environmentally and culturally sensitive area we say this as a geologist and a contractor respectively doing watershed restoration work related to roads and for nearly 40 years and you simply just can't put it back the way it was all right well thank you so much for that perspective and thank you for joining us on the environment show tonight all right so we have concerns watershed concerns from this project. And I could go into more detail on that but I think. Our other major concern is just the cultural resources that are up there that. Those are there and can once they're disturbed they're never the same and I think we need to respect what came before us and. All the other things that are so much longer than this 30 some year project So let's think long term and I hope people speak out against it thanks take you so much for joining us are we have one more caller and Caller you're going to have to be a little bit quick because we're approaching the end of the hour here so let's give you about 3 minutes all right what's your name Hi my name's Roby Roby to Aria I really high I really understand and feel for the people who are concerned about the physical reality of climate change we've wasted a lot of time not looking at it but indifferent to climate change the u.n. Panel on bio diversity and ecosystem services has said that we're at risk of losing a 1000000 species additional a species in the next couple of decades if we continue to destroy the ecosystems needed for their survival and so this panel concluded that the further loss a species presents as grave a threat to our civilization and I mean our collective who's ation the planet. Terry civilization as the c o 2 relate to climate change and I mean I think we have so much to learn if we're going to survive it what alone adapt to the to the climate change crisis and I think there's 2 major ways we in Humboldt County can contribute to helping us survive it and. Working for our collective possible survival and that is by having this incredible buffer of somewhat intact landscapes and having the biodiversity that we have here and and also we have most importantly we have indigenous wisdom in this area and the tribe we are tribe is opposed to this project and that seems a very important thing for the supervisors to consider and for all of us to consider in our. Concern about this project so when people say you're being a nimby for not wanting your backyard I really feel that we need to look beyond this area and look at our planetary survival and think about how. How much we add to this buffer against climate change with keeping the land intact and if people look at the plan they would understand the enormous impact of roads the clear cutting of the forest and also the high risk fire situation that would be putting the whole area into with the with the power lines going through the forest we've been dealing with that for a few years in fact that's what got everyone scared of the page and turning off the power well this is putting in many many many miles more of power lines through the wood also these turbines are have a history of starting fires so I think that's very dangerous and I read quite a bit about the truck that are going to be used for this we're almost up to 30000 truck trips to build this thing Robi I'm sorry I'm going to have to cut you off because we were going right at the end of the show but thank you so much for joining that I do want to mention thing is a plan doesn't help us gain energy independence and it does not offer a measurable gain in combat in the climate change so let's go it all in on the offshore I agree with the last guy thanks a lot all right Robey incur excited about the offshore wind energy development. So I hope this experiment and kind of radical democracy giving giving people just a microphone and a platform was enjoyable and informative for you I would fully encourage everyone out there to go and read up on the project themselves and come to their own conclusions. I know I think that tonight was a good start to you to build your education on this project so the easiest way to find the project documents is to google Humboldt wind project and you'll find the county's Web site that has collection of all the p.d.s. And has a warning. There are a lot of things that you could read so so dive in hopefully you'll have time to do so before this Monday and this Monday the 16th we will have the humbled supervisors in their consideration of the project for approval so I look forward to seeing you there at the adorning Center at 9 am on. 16th. Thank you so much for joining me for the past had a great night. A nonprofit. Believe the health of the human right. 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