Dickerson welcome back to face this. Im john dickerson. Im joined by alfonso aguilar, Facebook News contributor tammy bruce and matt schlapp of the American Conservative Union and russell moore. Russell, i want to go back to something you said about this locker room talk. Whenre that are happening here that some conservatives i talk to say we cant get back from. On this question of character, you have people saying, you know, what donald trump said was just what gets said in any old locker room, normalizing that behavior. I spent a lot of time covering conservatives who talked a lot about character. What happened to the character question . I think what were seeing right now is the warnings of the old religious right have come through about the course of our culture. I remember watching bill clinton essentially what happened with monica lewinsky, even when he admitted to it and then attacking ken starr and thinking, arent the democrats are going to be morally outraged by this, and they werent. Now were seeing the situation where you have horrific talk about Sexual Assault and boasting and glorying these things, which isnt a one off. This has been happening for a long time in the way hes been talking, and you see people trying to dismiss it as just locker room talk and this is alpha male, as one person said, im hearing from a lot of women who are horrified not just about what happened with donald trump, they know what donald trump is about, but by leaders who are silent or who are dismissive about this. I think that, forget whats happening in this election, that is going to have a longterm implication for the rest of the country. Dickerson tammy, address that idea of leaders being silent, but then also donald trump has talked about his accusers, hes used some pretty tough words about those accusers attractiveness, which seems to be the thing that got him in trouble in the first place. Its really good were not electing a husband or a boyfriend. Were electing a president. If youre in the ambulance and youre going to the Trauma Center and there is a trauma surgeon, im not particularly going to care how that person is going to be speaking that. Person is going to get do you live another day to, be able to get out of that emergency room, to be able to function the next day. Now, look, i can tell you the obamas probably have the best marriage since the reagans in the white mr. Obama clearly does not offend anyone when it comes to the nhl of how he speaks about women or people. This nation is now going down the drain. And while i would prefer to have president reagan back, we dont, so what im looking at is im voting for mr. Trump for the thousands of women who deserve to not be murdered as an example by the one of the 1. 2 million illegal criminals, illegal aliens in this nation. There is violence. Again, i mentionled earlier the 3. 7 million women in poverty since obama became president. Of course we would prefer fabulousness at every level. From mr. Trump, i prefer to be offended by him on occasion than left for dead by hillary. We keep going to this question about what does somebody who believes in strong traditional values in the culture, i agree with some much of what you said about what we said would happen in the culture has happened in the culture, but when i talk to all, theyre completely offended by the emails that were released about them mocking catholics and christians. That was reprehensible. We should cover that more. But second of all, christians are no longer a necessary thing, were going to bring back traditional classroom, were going to bring prayer in the classroom. They want to be left alone with their First Amendment rights, be able to practice their faith fully in the job, in their home, in the raising of their contraception and these strange permutations that the obamaclinton policies have us in have christian voters of faith in a different position. They will support in many cases, not all case, someone like donald trump because they think he will stand up and fight. Dickerson i think its mod than that. Inside the beltway, i hear voters saying this is a binary choice. I know Hillary Clinton and her bad policies, the Supreme Court being controlled by activist judge, you have to vote for trump. But the truth is, in america, different from other countries, this is not italy where you have Silvio Berlusconi who is something with women and then his poll numbers go up. This is america. And character counts. You always consider character as paramount. The president of the United States is a moral reference. So, yes, im appalled at Hillary Clinton, her scandals, her lies, but we have to vote. But to choose donald trump just just think that a lot of us are going to come out and just leave that part of the ballot blank. We have too many candidates in this primary. Despite our differences, the frustration here is that Possession Point our differences, we know that if we have a serious candidate, we should be winning this election with all the scandals, everything thats coming out of wikileaks. Her candidacy would have been derailed. Dickerson russell, if im a republican, and a lot have broke within tom this tape came out, who is taking the moral position, the better moral position, the person who says i have a fixed set of standards, these break them, or the person who says im going to support donald trump, hes the nominee of my party and im pledged to the party and im going to support him whom has the moral high ground . I can understand the person who is wrestling with his or her conscience and im going to choose one or the other because of a lesser of two evils. I dont agree but i can understand. I think thats very different than the people who are standing electing pastor. Were not electing a sunday schoolteacher. Were not electing a choirboy. Were electing someone who is simply going to be as mean and as tough as possible, and to act as though we fight lack of integrity and character with more lack of integrity and character, i think that is going to. But we cant avoid the fact that goes directly to my comment about who we are electing. I think it is important to think about women and character when we move forward, but when we talk about jobs, the nature of in this country, the issue of regulations and tax, that is. You want to talk about an assault on women . The assault on women is destroying small businesses, having women live in their parents basement until theyre 30, the destruction of Hillary Clinton, our hospitals and doctors. So this does matter. And it is about hiring someone at this point because were in an exestem Cell Research bat existential battle for the future. A decision, vote with the women and vote with the future in mind for yourself and your daughters. The future is surviving so we can continue the greatness of this country. Dickerson the charge i hear is that these dont happen in silos. When you dont respect the boundaries on the character front, that your ability to solve things in just the way tammy suggests is actually also eroded. That was the claim thats been made in other character instances. Why isnt that the case . Im with the doctor on this. I think your character matters. I dont think you can your character. I think it does permeate to what kind of president youre going to be, and what i know and what ive seen of donald trump, hes somebody who looks at the last seven and a half years of barack obama, and he woke up and got a lot more serious. He realized this country was going down the drain. I think hes lived a big, flamboyant life. Im sure hes done tons of things we would all object to. But as he says, he is who he is. With the clintons, say they two for one. He was impeached. They were dead broke because they paid 850,000 to paula jones. They paid over 1 million in fines and semghts in fees. He was disbarred. He wasnt allowed to go to the Supreme Court. And shes bragging. The idea that the clintons would make the moral case and the character case is absurd, and i think many voters realize that. Dickerson but its standard. But shes bragging in the wikileaks about the importance of being twofaced. Its extraordinary. The trump side, i think Many Americans are saying. But the obama marriage and character disputes that about the nature of whats going to save this country, and perhaps even just for four years, the steps we need to take to right her. Dickerson well have the leave it there. Ill thank our panellives and well talk next about hacking and emails and all the other news in the political world. News in the political world. Stay with us. Before it ever becomes a problem. And always working to be better. [burke] hot dog. Seen it. Covered it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. . We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum . Its easy to love your laxative. When that lax loves your body back. 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Jon meacham, i want to start with you about a piece you wrote in the New York Times about the difference between George Herbert walker bush and the current republican nominee. There is a big difference in a pretty short time period. To paraphrase henry adams, the movement from george h. W. Bush to donald trump disproves darwin. Its a remarkable dissent, whether you agreed or disagreed with george h. W. Bush politically, he was a figure of enormous public grace and dignity and empathy. He knew how to play politics. He knew how to hire tough people. He ran a tough campaign in 1988. So this is not a case for st. George of kennebunkport. What it is a case for is that this is a man who when confronted by the vicissitudes of politics, he almost always did the right thing and tried to put the country first. Christa what do you mean you have drusmg talking about a rigged election with 23 days to go before. How do you see trump in the sweep of history . Well, i frequently disagree with jon, but i agree on this. This is an amazing, appalling election, and, you know, the idea that youre reduced to the discussion of when did he grope and who did he grope and what did he and it is a true shame for the voters that people are not getting answers to questions like how might you use military force . Whats the job of the c. I. A. . How would you organize your white house . How do you keep from letting the white house become a bunker with an isolated president . Covered bill clinton and youre watching this unfold. Donald trump responded to his accusers by calling them sick, by suggesting one of them wasnt attractive enough for his attention. Where do you. How do you see that . Well, its funny because bob said to me once, we went to the premier of 2 movie nixon, and he said that every president gets the psychoanalyst he deserve, but now the whole country has become psychoanalysts. Were all trying to analyze some women who were bill Clinton Accusers and sat them in front of Hillary Clinton for the debate, which i think was one of the most bizarre things any of us have ever seen. And his argument was that they hadnt, you know, been treated as credible enough. And then when he has this cascade of women accusing him, he just suddenly, you know, begins trashing them and saying they cant be believed. And he doesnt understand, theres no logic in trump world. Universe where logic doesnt apply. And as one of his good friend said, donald does as donald wants. Dickerson david, i want to ask you about this question of russian hacking, the email, the other story weve been talking about today. First of all, what does the u. S. Government think about whats actually happened . The connection between the russian government and what weve seen coming out of wikileaks . Since july this is when the first evidence that the russians have hacked the Democratic National committee surfaced. The Obama Administration about how west to respond. And after a lot of back and forth, the decision was made, we need to state as much of what we know publicly as we can. So a week ago he had a formal statement by the director of national intelligence, james clapper, and the secretary of homeland security, jeh johnson, essentially accusing russia of having stolen these emails and year for the purpose of destabilizing. Then on another network show today, we have the Vice President , joe biden, taking it a step further and saying we intend to send a message to the russians through our actions not to do this ever again, and when hes pressed, he kind of smiles and says he hopes the public wont know about it and there will be covert action. Im told this morning by government officials that no action has yet been taken by United States. There were some stories out immediately after the first accounts of what was said suggesting it had already begun. Currently it hasnt, and theyre still debating what will be most efficacious. What do you do that deters the russians without hurting yourself more in prot process. I think they want to prevent the russians from doing even more in this last month of the election. Watergate. I ask you, they say, if nixon had said, oh, this is great what they found by breaking me in and im going to use this in my campaign, it would have been pretty shocking. They say people should be equally shocked at the Trump Campaign using to their benefit the findings of this hacking. Well, but watergate was a domestic crime, clearly a crime. In this case its espionage, at least at this point. But i think he still has the look at what the emails tell us and im be no means have read them all, but i have read some. And it was one where Hillary Clintons chief speechwriter sent to cheryl mills, the chief of staff in the state department saying, oh, hillarys changing her position on the keystone pipeline, and lets leak that so she wont have to say it herself publicly. Now, this is this culture of have straight talk, and its quite likely Hillary Clintons going to win and be the next president. I think the question becomes for her and for voters is she going to be able to govern . You talk to lots of people who are her supporters, and they say, you know, she may be elected, but she will be a weak president. And part of this is shes got to face and. Thi about trump. Its about her. Majority of the people distrust her, and she needs to. She cant walk away from that question. Dickerson maureen, did you in these emails when you see what bob is talking about, the xl pipeline, trade, other things, where there is shifting and shading, trying to hide her or divert, does that look like politics as especially, or is transgressions of donald trump kind of relatively speaking make this seem minor. I think it would be more lethal during the primary, but the part to me thats almost poignant is Hillary Clinton has been trying for 25 years to show who she is to the public and getting memos from her staff. So we see the same memos from her staff now that she got in 92 saying, were going to. In 92, it was, were going to have a scripghtsding spontaneity, right . So were going to have this spontaneous moment where bill and chelsea surprise you on mothers day. So now we have near a tandem sending one saying, were going to have an endofsummer party where youll groove to the music. She can groove to the music and she can have a beer. Its just sad. They have. You know, they have offtherecord answers sort of its sad. Dickerson john, when asked a question about governing versus campaigning, in campaigning you want candidates to be straight as possible. There is a case Hillary Clinton tried the make in one of the Goldman Sachs speeches there should be a distance between the public position you have and the private in order to when youre trying to make deals. Youve written about a lot of president s. Is she right about that . Absolutely shes right. This is not a new political insight. You go to machiavelli and go politics is the art of the possible. It is about personal in my manipulation in many ways. Thomas jefferson would try to tell the person he was talking to, signal the person he was talking to he agreed with them and he would take the best of what they said and try to put with it this other idea that wasnt so great from the other guy and maybe we can get there. So we live in a nation that is better off because Linden Johnson could do that. So theres always a public and a private face. The problem right now is with 23 days to go, you have a woman who. For whom this election was entirely a referendum on trump, it would be over, but as bob says, it is also a referendum on her, and that is why its so close. Dickerson and david, your thoughts about these emails . Well, the emails are interesting. I have to be political embarrassment in them. I find characteristics of her closed, tight, scripted political personality, which is familiar to us. I havent found yet anything id call scandal. And on the question, is she a fundamentally dishonest person, shes certainly a closed person, but were looking at worldclass dishonesty by the republican just make that distinction. The final thing, we dont know what else is going to come out from these emails and leaked things in the last month. Dickerson 20 seconds. Thats exactly right. We dont know. If these people, wikileaks or whoever is behind it can hack john podesta, my god, getting to Hillary Clintons emails, as the f. B. I. Now has told us there are 14,900 that were not turned over that have gone to department, so you know, keep your seat belts on. Dickerson 22 more days and more disclosures. Thanks to all of you. When we come back, well go indepth with our Battleground Tracker. Stay with us. Their final debate head to head, their final chance to win your vote. The final president ial debate dickerson and were back with more from our Battleground Tracker anthony salvanto. In addition to the sixpoint lead Hillary Clinton has now opened up in the 13 battleground states, our tracker has her up six points in the state of nevada and in utah donald trump is ahead with 37 of the support, third party and other candidates total 32 , and Hillary Clinton has 20 . First and the effect those have had on our polling. Were now on track for what may be one of the biggest gender caps we have ever seen, and this is the difference between how women vote and how men vote. This swing toward Hillary Clinton overall is driven almost entirely by the womens vote, but whats really notable is you go inside, and number one, you see a drop among donald trump support with republican women. So hes now lost ground among the very people he needed at this point to startin in that, 90 and 10 of the women who find the tapes offensive now say they wont consider him. Thats a barrier going forward. Dickerson thats clearly whats behind some of the defections from him from other republicans. What do rankandfile republicans feel about those republicans who have bolted from donald trump . They think theyre motivated by politics and not by principal. This is a larger theme that weve seen throughout this year republicans who elected donald trump to this nomination dont care much what the Party Leadership thinks. In fact, even in this sure fay, they say that they think donald trump looks out for people like them more than they think the Republican Party represents them. Dickerson right. Thats the point tammy was making earlier. You spent some time in utah this week. Why . Because donald trump is underperforming what a republican typically does in reliably republican utah. And one of the big reasons out there is that conservative voters do not like him people have of the mormon faith in particular think he has a person, they give him much lower ratings than republicans and conservatives do. Quickly 20 seconds left. Republicans, you talk about women who may be closed off to donald trump. Is he having trouble inside of his party in other ways . He is down with republicans overall. Its those republican women, its those republican moderates that he is not capturing. What makes that hard is that need to be, any republican needed to be closing ranks and growing from there. Nine in ten feel like hes not even trying the win their vote because they like him on the economy and they like him on defense, but thats not what they say theyre hearing. Dickerson all right, anthony salvanto, thanks so much as always, and well be back in a moment. Is that icet . Lemonade. Icet . Whats with these people, man . Lemonade, read the sign. Lemonade. Read it. Ok. Delicious. Icet at a Lemonade Stand . Surprising. Whats not surprising . How much money marin saved by switching to geico. Yo, icet its lemonade, man dickerson thats it for us today
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