Transcripts For KLAS Campaign 2016 Republican Debate 20160214

Republican nomination are here in South Carolina for their ninth debate, one week before this state holds the firstinthe south primary. George washington wrote that the truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light. We hope to shed some polite lite on the candidates positions tonight to help voters make up their minds. So, gentlemen, please join us on stage. applause moderator with us tonight, with us tonight are retired neurosurgeon, ben carson, of florida. Senator marco rubio of applause businessman, donald trump of new york. applause senator ted cruz of texas. applause former governor jeb bush of florida. applause and Governor John Kasich of ohio. applause now as most of you have heard by now, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died today at the age of 79. He was the longest serving member of the court, appointed by president reagan in 1986. Justice scalia was the courts leading conservative conservative, and even those who disagreed with his opinions regarded him as a brilliant legal scholar. Please join us and the candidates on our stage in a Justice Antonin Scalia. Thank you. We will talk to the candidates about Justice Scalia and the road ahead when the debate begins in a moment. My constipation and belly pain have my stomach feeling all knotted up. Ive tried laxatives. But my symptoms keep returning. My constipation feels like a pile of bricks. That keeps coming back. Linzess can help. Or chronic constipation. Linzess is thought to help calm painsensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. Linzess helps you proactively manage your symptoms. Do not give linzess to children under 6 and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. It may harm them. Dont take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. Get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. The most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. If its severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. Other side effects include, gas, stomacharea pain and swelling. Bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. Moderator before we when we ask you a question, you will have one minute to answer. And 30 seconds more if we ask a followup. If youre attacked by another candidate, you get 30 seconds to respond. And heres how we keep time. After we ask a question, youll get a green light. The yellow light means you have 30 seconds left to finish your answer. And when time sup, the light turns red. That means please stop talking. If you keep talking, you will hear this. bell you dont want to hear that. Joining me in the questioning tonight my cbs news colleague chief White House Correspondent Major Garrett. And Kimberly Strassel, who is on the Editorial Board of the wall street journal. And you can participate in the debate, too, through our partnership with twitter. Tweet us your questions and comments using the hashtag gopdebate. Lets begin. First, the death of Justice Scalia and the vacancy that leaves on the Supreme Court, mr. Trump, i want to start with you. Youve said that the anyone in the rest of his term to replace Justice Scalia. If you were president and had a chance with 11 months left to go in your term, wouldnt it be an abdication to conservatives in particular not to name a conservative justice for the rest of your term . Well, i can say this if the president and if i were president now i would certainly want to try and nominate a justice. And im sure that, frankly, im absolutely sure that president obama will try and do it. I hope that our senate is going to be able mitch and the entire group is going to be able to do something about it in times of delay. We could have a diane sykes or a bill pryor. We have some fantastic people bup but this is a from blow to conservatism. Its a tremendous blow, frankly, to our country. Moderator just to be clear, mr. Trump, youre okay with the president nominating somebody . I think he is going to do it whether im okay with it or not. Its up to Mitch Mcconnell and everybody else to stop it. Delay. applause moderator governor kasich, i want to get your thoughts on this. Justice scalia was a real believer, obviously, in the strict word of the constitution. Now, harry reid says that a failure to fill his vacancy would be shameful abdication of one of the senates most essential constitutional responsibilities. Where do you come down on this . Well, john, first of all, if i were president , we wouldnt have the divisions in the country we have today. And i do want to take a second, as we reflected reflected on Justice Scalia, its amaze, its not even two minutes after the death of Justice Scalia, nine children here today, their father didnt wake up, his wife, you know, sad, but, you know, i jt wish we hadnt run so fast into politics. Heres my concern about this. The country is so divided right now, and now were going to see another partisan fight taking place. I really wish the president would think about not nominating somebody. If he were to nominate pick somebody hois going to have unanimous approval and such widespread approval across the country that this could happen without a lot of recrimination. I dont think thats going to happen. And i would like the president to just for once here put the country first. Were going to have an election for president very soon and the people will understand what is at stake in that election. And so i believe the president should not move forward, and i think that we ought to let the next president of the United States decide who is going to run that Supreme Court with a vote by the people of the United States of america. bell applause . Moderator dr. Carson, you, like others, put out a statement after the death was announced and you said the president should delay. Youve written a book on the constitution recently. What does the constitution say about whose duty it is here to act in this kind of a situation . Well, the constitution actually doesnt address that particular situation. But the fact of the matter obviously, is a very important part of our governmental system, and when our constitution was put in place, the average age of death was under 50. And, therefore, the whole concept of Lifetime Appointments for Supreme Court judges and federal judges was not considered to be a big deal. Obviously, that has changed. And its something that probably needs to be looked at pretty carefully at some point. But we need to start thinking about the divisiveness that is going on in our country. I looked at some of the remarks that people made after finding out that Justice Scalia had died, and they were truly nasty remarks. And that we have managed to get to that position in our country is truly a shame. And we should be thinking about how can we create some healing in this land. But right now, were not going to get healing with president obama. Thats very clear. bell fully agree that we should not allow a judge to be appointed during his time. Rubio applause lawyer. Quickly, can you address the issue of whether the constitution tells us who has the power to appoint Supreme Court justices . And then, also, the Senate Republicans last year floated an idea of removing the filibuster for senate excuse me, for Supreme Court nominations. You seemed open to that. Whats your feeling on that now . Let me first talk about Justice Scalia. The loss is is tremendous and obviously our exphaerts prayers go out to his he will go down as one of the great justices in the history of this republic. You talk about somebody who defended the original meaning of the constitution, who understood that the constitution was not there to be interpreted based on the fadz of the moment, but it was there to be interpreted according to its original meaning. Justice scalia understood that better than anyone in the history of this his dissent on the independent counsel case is a brilliant piece of jurist work and his dissent on oberrer felled. I do not believe the president should appoint someone. Its been over 80 years since a lame duck president has appoint a Supreme Court justice. And it remind of us this how important this election is. Someone on this stage will get to choose the balance of the Supreme Court, and it vacancy thats there now, and we need to put people on the bench that understand the constitution is not a living and breathing document. It is to be interpreted as originally meant. Moderator quickly, though on the question applause this specific question, though. You were once in favor of dropping the threshold thats not accurate. Moderator you were never in favor of that. For example, today, according to the changes harry reid made, appellate judges can now be appointed by simple majority, but not today i think you see the wisdom of why we dont that want to change. Because if that were the case and we were not in charge of the senate harry expreed barack obama would ram down our throat a liberal justice, like the ones barack obama has imposed on us already. Moderator senator bush, i want to ask you, creativities for a long time have felt their republican president s have picked justices who didnt turn out to be conservative. Bernie sanders said he would have a litmus test. Would you have a litmus test for a nominee, and what would it be . Not on specific issues, not at all. I think the next president if im president i will appoint people nominate record in the judiciary. The problem in the past has been we have appointed people thinking you can get it through the senate record. And the problem is that sometimes were surprised. The simple fact is the next president needs to appoint someone with a proven conservative record, similar to Justice Scalia, that is a lover of liberty, that government, that consistently applied that kind of philosophy, that didnt try to legislator from the bench, that was respectful of the and then fight and fight, and fight for that nomination to make sure that that nomination passes. Of course, the president , by the way, has every right to justices. Constitution. President of the united we want a strong executive for sure. But in return for that, orientation on that nomination, and theres no doubt in my mind that barack obama will not have a consensus pick when he submits that person to the senate. Moderator right, so, senator cruz, the constitution applause so senator cruz, the constitution says the President Shall appoint with advice and concept from the senate, just to clear that up. So he has the constitutional power. But you dont think he should. Where do you set that date if youre president . Does does it begin in Election Year, in december, november, september . And once you set the date, when youre president , will well, we have 80 years of precedent of not confirming Supreme Court justices in an Election Year. And let me say moderator im sorry to interrupt, were any appointed in the Election Year or 80 years of not confirming. For example, l. B. J. , nominated abe fordyce. Fordyce did not get confirmed. He was defeated. Moderator kennedy was confirmed in 88. In 87. Moderator thats the question, is it appointing or confirming . In this case its both. If i could finish moderator sorry, i want to get the facts straight for the audience. I apologize. booing . Justice scalia was a legal giant. He was somebody that i knew for 20 years. He was a brilliant man. He was faithful to the constitution. He changed the arc of american legal history. And ill tell you, his passing tonight, our prayers his wife, maureen, who he adored, his nine children, his 36 grand kids. But it underscores the stakes of this election. We are one justice away from a Supreme Court that will strike down every restriction on abortion adopted by the states. We are one justice away from a Supreme Court that will reverse the heller decision, one of Justice Scalias seminal decisions that upheld want Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. We are one justice away from a Supreme Court that would undermine the religious liberty of millions of americans and the stakes of this election, for this year, for the senate, the senate needs to stand strong and say were not gonna give up the u. S. Supreme court for a generation by allowing barack obama to make one more liberal appointee. And then for the state of South Carolina, one of the most important judgments for the men and women of South Carolina to make, is who on this stage bell has the background, the principle, the character be, strength of resolve to nominate and confirm principled constitutionalists to the court . That will be what i doll if im elected president. applause moderator thank you, senator cruz. All right, were going to move on to National Security here, and we are going to i want to read a quote from secretary robert gates, former defense secretary robert gates, who served for under eight president s. And this is what he said about republican candidates. Part of the concern they have the campaign is that the solutions being offered are so simplistic and so at odds with the way the world really works. So in that spirit were going to work tonight to be more specific. Mr. Trump, i want to start with you. You said as president youll get up to speed very quickly. Youll know more quickly as president than any of the experts. So youve been elected president. Its your first day in the situation room. What three questions do you ask your National Security experts about the world . We want to do and it. And how hard do we want to hit . Because we are going to have to hit very, very hard to knock out isis. We are also going to have to learn who our allies are. We have allies, socalled allies. Were spending billions and billions of dollars supporting people we have no idea who they are in syria. Do we want to stay that route on do we want to go and make something with russia . I hate to say iran, but with russia because we the iran deal is one of the worst deals i have ever seen negotiated in my entire life. Its a disgrace that this country negotiated that deal. applause but very important not only a disgrace. Its a disgrace and an embarrassment. But very important, who are we fighting with . Who are we fighting for . What are we doing . We have to rebuild our cray. Im the only one on this stage that said do not go into iraq. Do not attack iraq. Nobody else on this stage said that. I said it loud and strong. And i was in the private sector. Fortunately. But i said it, and i said it loud and clear, youll destabilize the middle east. Thats exactly what happened. I also said, by the way, four years ago, three years ago bell attack the oil. Take the wealth away. Attack the oil and keep the oil. They didnt listen. They just started that a few months ago. applause . Moderator senator rubio 30 seconds on this question, senator rubio. Are those the questions you would ask . No, i think there are three major threats you want to immediately get on top of. Number one is, what are we doing in the Asia Pacific Region where both north korea and china pose threats the United States. Number two is what are we doing in the middle east with the combination of the sunnishia conflict driven by the shia arc at iran is now trying to establish in the middle east and the growing threat of isis. And the third is rebuilding and ryan vigerating nato in the european theater, particularly in Central Europe and Eastern Europe where Vladimir Putin is threatening the territory of 20 of georgia and a significant percentage of moderator let me ask you a followup,p, full, proper question. applause violent extremists are operating or active in 40 countries, some 80 countries are in different degrees of instability. Overseas. Economic collapse when he came into office. We Face International health crises, from ebola to zika. There is a lot of opportunity for crisis, as you have talked about. What would you point to in your past to show voters that youve been in a crisis and that youve been tested when that inevitable crisis comes when youre president . Let me tell you what happened a couple of years ago. One of the hardest decisions youll ever make in congress is when you are asked by the president to authorize the use of force in a conflict because you are now putting your name on behalf of the people of your state behind a military action, where americans in uniform could lose their life. In 2014, barack obama said he would not take military action against assad unless senate beginning on the committee of Foreign Relations where i am one of its members. And it was hard. Because you looked at the pictures. I saw the same images people saw. Im the father of children. I saw the images of these little children gassed and poisoned by their own leaders and we were angry. Something had to happen, and there was the sense we needed to secretribution. And then i looked at Barack Obamas plan. Barack obamas plan, which john kerry later described as unbelievably small. And concluded that that attack would not only not help the situation. It would make it actually wowrs. It would allow assad to stand up to the United States of america, survive a strike, stay in power, and actually strengthen his dprip. So it was a difficult decision to make and one we only had a few days to look at and make a decision on and i voted against Barack Obamas plan to use force and it was the right decision. applause . Moderator dr. Carson, i want to ask you a question dr. Carson, you said you have had more 2 00 a. M. Phone calls than but when those 2 00 a. M. Phone calls came, you operated on a foundation of all of that amazing medical that learning. So if you were to be president , you wouldnt have the Political Foundation that hones those instincts when the 2 00 a. M. Phone call comes. So isnt that a liability . No, it isnt. First of all, let me go back to your first question for me. It wasnt phrased as who gets to nominate Supreme Court appointees. Of course, thats the president. So i know that there are some left wing media who would try to make hay on that. Secondly, thank you for including me in the debate. Two questions already. This is great. laughter applause now, as far as as far as those 2 00 a. M. Phone calls are concerned, judgment is what is required. And the kinds of things that you come up with some sometimes very, very one of the things that i was known for is doing things that have not been done before. So no amount of experience really prepares you to do something that has never been done before. Thats where judgment comes in. And that, i think, is a situation that were in right now. A situation that we have never been in before with the kinds of threats that pose a real danger to our nation, and it comes in very handy in those situations. Moderator governor kasich, russia is being credited with bombing u. S. Backed rebels on behalf of assad in alope and syria. Theyve also moved into the crimea, eastern ukraine. You said you want to punch them in the nose. What does that mean . First of all, look, we have to make it clear to russia what we expect. We dont have to declare an enemy, rattle a sword or threaten, but we need to make it clear what we expect. Number one, is we will arm the folks in ukraine who are fighting for their freedom. There will be no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Secondly, an attack on nato, truched up on any excuse of russianspeaking people, either in the nato countries, or finland or sweden is going to be an attack on us. Look, i think we have an opportunity as america to put something really great together again. The egyptians, the saudis, the jordanians, the gulf states, they all know theyre at risk. We need to look into europe, we look at france, we look at germany, and the migrants. We look at belgium, we look at britain. Everybody is being threaten bood by radical islam. We have the opportunity to lead. The fact of the matter is the world is desperate for our leadership. Sometimes they may make a remark here or there we dont like, but, frankly, the world needs us. And we have an opportunity now to assemble a coalition of the civilized people, those who respect civilization, the rights of women, the rights to protest, to be able to reassert our leadership all across this globe again and make sure this century is bell applause . Moderator governor bush, you said defeating isis requires defeating assad. But wouldnt that also put us into conflict with russia, a country that supports assad . Doesnt that mean effectively assads there to stay . No, it doesnt, and thats the problem. The lack of leadership in this country by barack obama, john kerry, Hillary Clinton, thinking that this is a policy that works, this policy of containment with isis. Its a complete, unmitigated disaster. And to allow russia now to have influence in syria makes it harder but we need to destroy isis and dispose of asocalled to create a stable syria so that the four million refugees arent a breeding ground for islamic jihadists. This is the problem drum brought up the fact he would want to accommodate russia. Russia is not taking up on the isis. Theyre attacking our team, the team that we have been training and the team that weve been supporting. It is absolutely ludicrous positive partner this this. They are on the run. Every time we step back, theyre on the run. The question that you asked was a really good one about what you would who donetsk, what three things would do you . I would restore the military. The sequester needs to be reversed. I would have a strategy to destroy isis, and i would immediately create a policy of containment as it relates to irans ambitions, and to make clear we are not going to allow for iran to do what its doing, which is to move towards a nuclear weapon. Those three things would be the first and foremost things we need to do in 2017. Moderator mr. Trump youre applause mr. Trump, you were mentioned here. You did say you could get along very well with Vladimir Putin. You did at one point say let russia take care of isis. Call me a genius. I like him so far. Let me just tell you this. Jeb is so wrong. booing just so you understand, you know what that is . Thats jebs special interests and lobbyists look, let me just tell you something booing jeb is so wrong. Youve got to fight isis first. You fight isis first. Right now, you have russia. You have iran. You have them with assad and you have them with syria. You have to knock out isis. Theyre chopping off heads. These are animals. You have to knock them out. You have to knock them off strong. You decide what to do after. You cant fight two wars at one time. You listen to him and listen to some of the folks that ive been listening to thats why weve been in the middle east for 15 years and we havent won anything. Weve spent 5 trillion in the middle east because of thinking like that. Weve spent bell lindy graham, who had zero in his polls. Let me tell you something, weve spent booing weve spent i only tell the truth, lobbyists. Weve spent 5 trillion all over the we have to rebuild our country. You listen to that, youre going to be there for another 15 moderator all right, governor bush, please respond. The very basic fact is Vladimir Putin is not going to be an apply of the United States. The whole world knows this. Its a simple basic fact. Theyre not taking out theyre not even attempting to take out isis. Theyre attacking the troops that were supporting. We need to create a coalition, sunniled coalition on the ground with our special operators to destroy isis and bring about stability. And you cant do that with assad in power. Were supporting troops that we dont even know who they are. Let me finish. This is ridiculous. Were supporting troops who we dont even know who they are. We have no idea who they are. Moderator gentlemen, i think im going to leave that there this comes from a guy who gets his foreign policies from the show. It this is a guy who thinks Hillary Clinton was a great negotiator in iran. Were link in dangerous times. This is a man who insults his way to the nomination. 44 million in New Hampshire. Give me a break. Moderator gentlemen, gentlemen, let leave it there so i can ask a who is also running for president. Senator cruz, you talked about the first gulf war as being a kind of model for your focused and determined effort to go after isis. But there were 700,000 Ground Troops as a part of that. And you dont have a ground comtonight your plan. Why . Well, we need to focus on what the objective is. You know, your question about the first three questions you would ask in the situation room. I think it is a problem if the president , commander in chief weve elected does not have the experience and background to understand the threats facing this country coming in on day one. If you look at the threats facing this country, the single gravest threat, National Security threat, is iran. Thats why i pledged on day one to rip to shreds this Iranian Nuclear deal, and anyone that thinks you can negotiate with calm me, does not understand his nature. When it doms isis, weve got to have a focused objective. One of the problems of clintons Foreign Policy and, sadly, too many Establishment Republicans in washington, is they focus on issues unrelated to protecting this country. They focus on nation building. They focus on toppling governments to promote democracy and it ends up undermining our National Security. Now, with regard to isis, we need a commander in chief that sets the objective. We will utterly defeat them because they have declared war. They have declared jihad on us. What do we need to carry that out . Overwhelming air power. We need to armt kurds who can be our boots on the ground. And if Ground Troops are necessary we should employ them but it shouldnt be politicians demonstrating political toughness. It should be military expert judgment carrying out the objectives set out by the commander in chief. applause moderator very quickly, 30secretary followup. You said essentially the kurds would be the american Ground Forces in there. The criticism experts have only work within their territory. If they take larger awments of territory, you have an ethnic war with the arabs so the kurds cant do as much as you seem to be putting on their backs. We have kurds in both iraq and syria. They are fighting isis right now. They are winning victories right now. Isis is using American Military equipment theyve seized in iraq, and the Obama Administration refuses to arm the kurds, the peshmerga, fighting forces who have been longtime allies. We ought to be arming them and letting them fight. If we need to embed special forces to direct our overwhelming air power, if it is required to use Ground Troops to defeat isis, we should use them, but we ought to start with using our incredible air power advantage. The first persian gulf war, we launched 1100 air attacks a day. Today were launching between 15 and 30. Were not using the tools we have and its because the commander in chief is not focused on defeating the enemy. applause . Moderator all right, mr. Trump, on monday, george South Carolina for his brother. As you said tonight, and youve often said, the iraq war and your opposition to was a cipe of your good judgment. In 2008 in an interview with wolf blitzer talking about george w. Bushs conduct, you said you were surprised nancy pelosi didnt try to impeach him. You said, which personally i think would have been a wonderful thing. When you were asked what you meant by that you said, for the war. He got us into the war with lies. Do you think president bush should have been impeached. I have to say, as a everybody. World. I know so many of the people in the audience. Selffunder. I have my wife and i have my thats all i have. I dont have this. applause so let me just tell you, i get along with everybody, which is my obligation to my company, myself, et cetera. Obviously, the war in iraq all right. Now, you can take it any way you want, and it took it took jeb bush if you remember at the beginning of his announcement, when he announced for president , it took him five days. He went back, it was a mistake, it wasnt a mistake. It took him five days before his people told him what to say, and he ultimately said, it was a mistake. The war in iraq, we spent 2 trillion, thousands of lives, we dont even have it. Iran has taken over iraq with the second Largest Oil Reserves in the world. Obviously, it was a mistake. Moderator so george bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. But that one was a beauty. We should have never been in iraq. We have destabilized the middle east. Moderator so im going to so you still think he should be impeached . You do whatever you want. You call it whatever you want. I will tell you. They lied. Atthey said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. booing . Moderator when a member on the stage brothers gets attacked you get to subpoenas. I get to do it five or six times or once. Im sick ask tired of barack obama blaming my brother for all of the problems that hes had. applause and, frankly, i could care less about the insults that donald trump gives to me. Its blood sport for him. He enjoys it. And im glad hes happy did bit. He spent 22 million im sick and tired of him going after my family. My dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. applause while donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a Security Apparatus to keep us safe. And im proud of what he did. applause bell and hes had the gall to go after the World Trade Center came down during your brothers reign. Remember that booing hes had the gall to go after my mother. Safe. Won the latry 63 years ago when i looked up and saw my mom. My mom is the strongest woman i know. This is not about my family or his family. This is about the South Carolina families that need someone to be the commander in chief that can lead. Im that person. Moderator governor kasich, would you weigh in applause governor kasich, please weigh in. I gotta tell you. This is just crazy, huh . This is just nuts. Okay. Oh, man. Im sorry, john. Moderator why is it nuts . Talk about it. Give us your sense of oh, listen, i think being in iraq, look, we thought there were weapons of mass destruction. Colin powell who is one of the most distinguished generals in modern time said there were weapons there. But, but, the fact is we got ourselves in the middle of a civil war. The sunni, the shia, and the kurds never gotten along. In fact, that country was drawn, the borders of that country were drawn after world war i by westerners that didnt understand what the tragedy of it is that were still embroiled. And, frankly, if there werent weapons of mass destruction we should never have gone. I dont believe the United States should involve itself in civil wars. Civil wars are not in our direct are interest. Look i served on a Defense Committee for 18 years and called bot pentagon after 9 11 by secretary rumsfeld to deal with some of the most Serious Problems we faced bell the fact is we should go to war when it is our direct interest. We should not be the policemen of the world, but when we go, we mean business. Well do our job. Well tell our soldiers, our people in the service, take care of your job and come home once weve accomplished our goals. Thats what we need to do. Moderator 30 seconds. I just want to say, at least on behalf of me and my family, i thank god all the time it was george w. Bush in the white house on 9 11, applause i think you can look back in in hindsight and say a couple of things, but he kept us safe. And not only did he keep us safe, but no matter what you want to say about weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was in open violations, and the world wouldnt do anything about it, and george w. Bush enforced what the International Community refused to do. Again, he kept us safe, and i am forever grateful for what he did. How did he keep us safe when the World Trade Center the world trade skews me. I lost hundreds of friends. The World Trade Center came down during the reign of george bush. He kept us safe . That is not safe. That is not safe, marco. That is not safe. The World Trade Center came down because bill Clinton Department kill Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance to kill him applause . And george bush by the way, george bush had the chance, also, and he didnt listen to the advice of his c. I. A. Dr. Carson, we have a cleansing im not going to invite donald trump to the rally in charleston on monday afternoon when he brother is coming to speak. I dont want to go. Im rescinding the invitation. I thought you you might want to come but i guess not. Moderator dr. Carson, i have a question for you. A moment of pause here. You said, dr. Carson, referring to yourself that people bought into the idea that a nice person cant be tough on terrorist. You have called for loosening the rules of engagement for want military which could lead to more civilian casualties. Explain why those casualties would be acceptable in the fight against isis . First of all, let me just address the iraq question. You know, i was not particularly in favor of us going to war in iraq, studied, you know, the middle east, recognizing that those are nations that are ruled by dictators and have been for thousands of years. Remove one of those dictators, unless you have an appropriate plan for replacing them, youre going to have chaos. Now, fortunately, we were awbl to stabilize the situation, and it was the Current Administration that destabilized the situation. applause now, having said that, in terms of the rules of engagement, i was talking about, you know, obama has said, you know, we shouldnt bomb tankers coming out of refineries because there may be people in there or because the environment may be hurt. You know, thats just asinine thinking. And the fact of the matter is applause you know, we obviously, youre not going to accomplish all of your goals without some collateral damage. bell you have to be able to assess what is acceptable and what is not. Moderator all right, thank you, dr. Carson. Were going to have to take a commercial break here. Thank you to all the candidates. Well be right back with cbs news 2016 debate in applause the iran deal is one of the worst deals i have ever seen negotiated in my entire life. Its a disgrace. The constitution is not a living and breathing document. It is to be interpreted as originally meant. And dispose of assad. E trade is all about seizing opportunity. And id like to. Cut. So im gonna take this opportunity to direct. Thank you, well call you. Bob. Youre a young farmhand and e trade is your cow. Milk it. E trade is all about seizing opportunity. Ive been blind since birth. I go through periods where its hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. Learn about non24 by calling 8448442424. Moderator were back with the republicans who would be president. The topic now is money and how the candidates would spend it. Well turn the questioning over to Kimberly Strassel of the wall street journal and Major Garrett of cbs news. Kim. Moderator mr. Trump, you have made a lot of promises and you have also youre the only candidate who has said he would not touch entitlements. The committee for a responsible federal budget has estimated that your ideas would cost an additional 12 trillion to 15 trillion over the next 10 years and that we would have to have annual Economic Growth of anywhere from 7. 7 to 9 annually to pay for them. Are you proposing more than you can actually deliver, at least not without big deficits . First of all, the when you say im the only candidate, if you listen to do many things to Social Security. And i want to do them on its own merit. You listen to them, what they want to do to Social Security, none of these folks are getting elected, whether they can do it or not. Im going to save Social Security. Im going to bring jobs back from china. Im going to bring jobs back from mexico and japan, where every country throughout the world now vietnam, thats the new one they are taking our jobs. Theyre taking our wealth. They are taking our base. And you and i have had this discussion. Were going to make our economy strong again. Im lowering taxes. We have 2. 5 trillion offshore that i think is 5 trillion because the government has no idea what they say 2. 5, they have no idea what theyre doing or saying. Were going to bring that money back. You take a look at what happened just this week, china bought the chicago stock exchange, china, a chinese company. A carrier is moving to mexico, an air conditioning nabisco and ford theyre all moving out. We have an economy that last quarter g. D. P. , didnt grow. It was flat. bell we have to make our economy grow again. Were dying. This country is dying. And our workers are losing their jobs, and youre going im the only one who is going to save Social Security, believe me. Moderator another but how would you actually do that . I can ask you . Because right now Social Security and medicare take up twothirds of the budget. You have tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse. That were taking care of. That were taking care of. Its tremendous. We have in Social Security right now thousand and thousands of people that are over 106 years old. Now, you know they dont exist. They dont exist. Theres tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse, and were going to get it. But were not going to hurt the people who have been paying into Social Security their whole life and then all of a sudden theyre supposed to get less. Were bringing our jobs back. Were going to make our economy great again. applause john mentioned this is about dollars and cents. We also want to talk about Economic Growth and wage growth. You have proposed a consumption tax. You call it a flat tax. Some analysts compare it to a value added tax. How would that work and how would you address the longstanding conservative concern that something approaching a value added tax will be used to constantly increase those rates to pay for future Government Spending and become an escalator of taxation, not of growth . Well, let me say at the outset that everyone here understands, everyone understands at home that the middle class has been left behind in the last seven years of the obama economy. And weve got to bring jobs back. Weve got to get people back to work. Weve got to get wages going up again. Weve got to get people moving from parttime work to fulltime work. We all agree on that. But its not going to be solved with magic pixie dust. Its not going to be solved by declaring into the air, let there be jobs. We actually have to understand the principles the first place. Now, where do you get Economic Growth . If you look at cause and effect over our nations history, every time we lessen the burden of washington on Small Business owners, on job creators worky see incredible Economic Growth. You do that through tax reform and regulatory reform. My tax plan, typical family of four, first 36,000, you earn, you pay nothing in taxes, no income taxes, no payroll taxes no, nothing. Above 10 , everyone pays the same simple flat 10 income rate. Its flat and fair. You can fill out your taxes on a postcard bell and we abolish the i. R. S. And if you want to see the postcard, ive got it on my web site. Moderator right, but to the question because conservatives have flirted with this idea conceptually for a long time. But especially on this consumption value added tax system, in europe, where it exists, it has become an escalator of taxation to feed Government Spending. And thats why conservatives have long resisted it. President to make sure that doesnt happen . So, major, the Business Flat Tax that is in my tax plan is not a v. A. T. A v. A. T. In europe is a sales tax. The Business Flat Tax is not a sales tax. It is a tax of 16 imposed fairly and evenly across the board on all businesses. And one of the things thats critical is were doing that in conjunction with abolishing the Corporate Income tax wabolishing the obamad care taxes, with abolishing the payroll taxes, the biggest taxes paid by most working americans, and with abolishing the death tax which is cruel and unfair. You asked about Economic Growth. The Nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimated that the cruz simple flat tax would produce 4. 9 million new jobs, would increase Capital Investment by 44 and lift everyones incomes by double digits. bell thats how you turn the country around, not just hoping and praying for it, but implementing policies that work. Moderator okay, i applause for senator rubio. Senator rubio, you have the highest tax rate of anyone up on the stage in terms of the top tax rate, 35 , which some economists say would limit its potential to boost Economic Growth. You do that so will have more revenue to pay for a trip ling of the Child Tax Credit. Normally, its liberals who like to use the tax code to influence social policy. Why should conservatives want a tax plan that adopts the other sides approach . Because im not influencing social policy. This is their money. This is the money of parent. You dont earn the tax credit unless youre work. Thats your money. It doesnt belong to the government. Heres what i dont understand. If a business takes their money and invest it in a piece of equipment they get to write it off their taxes. But if a parent takes money they earned through work and invests it in their children they want dont. That makes no sense. Parenting is the most important job any of us will ever have. Family formation is the most Important Institution in society. applause especially for work families, an additional Child Tax Credit so that parents who are working get to keep more of their own money, not the governments money, to invest in their children to go to school to go to a private school, to buy a new backpack. Let me tell you, if youre a parent struggling you know 50 a month is the difference between a new pair of shoes this month or not getting a new pair of shoes for your kids. Im going to have a tax plan that is pro family because the family is the most Important Institution in society. You cannot have a strong country without a strong family. applause moderator governor kasich, governor kasich, this goes to size of government. In 2013, you pushed through a medicaid reform in your state over the objections of many of the republicans in your state. Total enrollment and overall costs of that program have gone well beyond what anyone had expected, including yourself. How can you argue that this overall growth fits in with conservative ambush significantly cut back on the size of federal welfare programs . Well, first of all, those numbers incorrect. We are our Medicaid Programs are coming in below cost estimates, and our Medicaid Program in the second year grew at 2. The 5 . Kimberly, let me tell you, when we expand medicaid and treat the mentally ill, then they dont live under a bridge or live in a prison where they cost 22,500 a year. When they take the drug addict asked treat them in the prisons we stop the revolving door of people in and out of prisons and save 22,500 a year. Guess what else . They get their lives back. And the working poork theyre now getting health care. Do you know about a third of the people who are now getting that health care are people who are suffering very serious illnesses, particularly cancer. So what i would tell you is weve gone from an 8 billion hole to a 2 billion surplus. Weve cut taxes by more than any governor in america, by 5 billion. Jobs by 400,000 private sector jobs since ive been governor. Our credit is strong. Our pensions are strong. And, frankly, we leave no one behind. Economic growth is not an end unto itself. We want everyone to rise, and we will make them personally responsible for the help that they get bell and that is exactly the program were driving in ohio. And, boy, people ought to look at ohio, because weve moderator governor bush of course jump in. I admire the fact that governor kasich is supporting spending more money on drug treatment and mental health. I think thats a high priority across this country but expanding obamad care is what were talking about, and obamad cares expansion, even though the federal government is paying for the great majority of it, is creating further debt on the backs of our children and grandchildren. We should be fighting obamad care, repealing obamad care, replacing it with something totally different. When i was as a private citizen, florida was the governor was supportive of the doing what john did. So was the florida senate. A committed speaker of the house asked me to go as a private citizen to make the case against the expansion. bell i did, and it wasnt expanded there, just as it wasnt expanded in South Carolina under Governor Haley. Moderator well quickly, jump in. I have a question for governor bush. First of all, when jeb was governor, his first four years as governor, he his Medicaid Program grew twice as fast as mine. Okay. Its just a fact. Now, with obamad care, im not only sued the administration. I did not set up an exchange. And he knows that im not for obamacare, never have been. But heres whats interesting about medicaid. You know who expanded medicaid five times to try to help the folks and give them opportunity so that you could rise and get a job . President Ronald Reagan. The fact of the matter is we expanded to get people on their feet, and once theyre on their feet, we are giving them the training and the efforts that they need to be able to get work and pull out of that situation. Our state. South koreans need to know this. The cato news . Oout, which exwraidz governors based on their spending, ranks him right at the bottom. And Governor Haley is ranked at the top. Moderator let me get in a question he mentioned my name. Moderator i understand. Hold omajor, hold omajor. South koreans want to make sure they elect the most conservative governor or candidate that can win. Let me tell you moderator i have a question on major, look i have to correct the record. And the fact of the matter is, we went from an 8 billion thoal a 2 billion surplus. Were up 400,000 jobs. Our credit is rock solid. And i dont know look, the bottom line is the people of this of this country, and this state want to see everybody rise, and they want to see unity, and i dont want to get into all this fighting tonight because people are frankly sick of the negative campaigning. And im going to stay positive about what i want to do moderator from the perspective Economic Growth, viewed from the perspective proposed a tax on hedge fund managers. The americans for tax reform, a conservative tax group youre probably aware of, has said no republican should be for higher taxes on capital gonzales. And many conservatives wonder if this proposal of yours would undermine not only that philosophy but undercut your projections of 4 Economic Growth annually under your presidency. Of course, not. It wont have an impact hedge funds managers paying ordinary income . In fact its not just hedge fund people, but people in the business of investing other peoples money, getting Capital Gains treatment is not appropriate. They should be paying ordinary income. Thats their business. Theyre grateful to be awbl to make a lot of money. Im sure. And what we do is lower the rate. Its not the end of the world that private equity people and hedge fund folks that are right now getting Capital Gains treatment for the income they earn pay ordinary tbk intk, luke everybody else in this room. Thats not a problem at all. What we need to do is reformat tax code to simplify the rates to shift governor of the state of florida. 19 billion of tax cuts and it stimulated seven out of the eight years, florida led the nation in job growth. Moderator consider carson, before we go to break, could you give us your sense of this conversation about either medicaid or Economic Growth through taxation . First of all, let me just mention on the tax issue, ben carson. Com, go read about it. Because my tax plan has been praised by cato, by wall street journal, forbessaid it is the best, most progrowth, and it is based on real fairness for everybody. It starts at the 150 Poverty Level. But even the people below that have to pay something because everybody has to have skin in the game. Millions of people cant, you know, talk about what other people have to pay and have no skin in the game. And it deals with Corporate Tax rate. Makes it the same as everybody else. Everybody plays exactly the same. Moderator doctor as far as medicare and medicaid, my main goal is to get rid of obamacare and put the care back in the hand of patients. Moderator dr. Carson, im sorry. We have to go to commercial. The free market wants what it wants. Back soon to the Republican Debate in greenville, South Carolina. My fellow americans. They say were a nation divided. Thats not true. We agree on a lot. Like paul rudd. Everybody loves paul rudd. I didnt know this was going to happen you know what else everyone loves . No. Beer thats why were forming the bud light party. Just wait till you see our caucus. Weve got the biggest caucus in the country ooooeeeyyyyy im really inspired right now. America has seen the light. 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They said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none and they knew there were none. I am sick and tired of him going after my family. Live from the peace center in greenville, South Carolina, cbs news brings you the republican president ial debate. Here again, john dickerson. Moderator welcome back. Well begin the second half hottest issues in the Republican Campaign immigration. But before i turn it back to Major Garrett and Kimberly Strassel, i have one question for mr. Trump. Mr. Trump, in the Republican National committees Spanish Language response to the state of the union, congressman diaz bell artsaid, its essential that we find a legislative solution talking about immigration to offer a permanent and humane solution to those who live in the shadows. What does that mean to you a humane solution to those who live in the shadows . I want everybody taken care of, but we have to take care of our people in this country. Were not taking care of our people. We have no border. We have no control. People are flooding across. We cant have it. We either have a border and im very strongly im not proposing i will build a wall. I will build a wall. Remember this, the wall will be paid for by mexico. We are not being treated right, we are not being treated properly. We dont have strength, we dont have a country. People are flowing across. We have to take care of our people. Believe me. applause . Moderator senator rubio, for the purposes of the lines you would craw legislatively as a president on Immigration Reform, define amnesty. Well, first of all, i think amnesty is the forgiveness of a wrongdoing without consequence. And ive never supported that. I do not support that. I think there has to be consequences for violating our immigration laws. What i think is clear about this issue to begin with is were not going to be awbl to make progress on illegal immigration until first illegal immigration is brought under control. You go back to 1986 when they legalized three Million People and promised to secure the border. It didnt happen. And as a result, people have lost trust in the federal government. It is clear the only way to make progress on immigration is not just to pass a law that enforces the law but actually prove to people its working. They want to see the wall built. They want to see an entryexit tracking system. Only after all of that is in place, then well see what the American People are willing to support on this issue. I think the American People will be very reasonable, but responsible, about how you handle someone who has been here a long time, who can pass a background check, who pays a fine and starts paying taxes and all they want is a work permit. But i cant coany of that until you prove to people that illegal immigration is under control once and for all bell . applause moderator senator cruz, senator cruz, you have promised to deport illegal aliens. You have also promised to reverse president obamas executive action that gives temporary amnesty to illegals brought here by their parent as children. As president , you would have the names and addresses of some 800,000 of those that have registered under that action. Now, you have said in this country we shouldnt go door but in this case you would have a list. Would you use it . Well, you know, your question highlights a sharp this stage. You know, in a republican primary, everyone talks tough on immigration. Everyone is against illegal immigration in a republican primary. But as voters, weve been burned over and over again by people that give us a Great Campaign speech and they dont walk the walk. There are sharp differences on amnesty. If you look at the folks on this stage, when harry reid and Chuck Schumer and Establishment Republicans were leading the fight topaz a massive amnesty plan, i stood with Jeff Sessions sessions and steve king and the American People and led the fight to defeat that amnesty plan. applause moderator so would you would you use the addresses . Now that moment moderator would you pick them up . That moment is what reagan would call a time for choosing. Youre on, the rubioschumer amnesty plan booing apparently supported by the donor class, which is why washington supported it. The rubioschumer amnesty plan passed the senate and it was on the verge of passing the house. House leadership intended to take it up and pass it with the democrats overruling most of the republicans, and the question for anyone on illegal immigration is where were you in that fight . Where did you stand in you are right. There is a difference between senator rubio ask me bell . Moderator senator rubio, your reply. Were going to have to do this again, okay. When that issue was being debated ted cruz at a Committee Hearing very passionately said, i want Immigration Reform to pass. I want people to come out of the shadows and he proposed an amendment that would legalize people and proposed doubling the number of green cards and a 500 increase on guest workers. Now his position is different. Opponent of all those things so he either wasnt telling the truth then or he isnt telling the truth now but to argue he is a pure oyst immigration is just not true. Major, i get a response to that. Moderator very quickly. You know, the lines are very, very clear. Marco right now supports citizenship for 12 Million People here illegally. I oppose citizenship. Marco stood on the debate stage and assailant sade that. I would note not only that, marco has a long record when it comes to amnesty. As speaker in the state of the house he supported instate tuition for illegal immigrants. In addition, he went on univision in spanish and sailed he would not rescind president obamas illegal exclusive amnesty on his first day in office. I have promised to rescind every single illegal executive action, including that one. And on the question very quickly. First of all, i dont said on univision because he doesnt speak spanish. And second of all, the other point i would make speaking spanish in spanish. Look, this is a disturbing pattern now. For a number of weeks ted cruz has just been telling lies. He lied about ben carson in iowa. He lies about planned parenthood and marriage. And he makes things up. The bottom line is this is a campaign and people are watching. Here is the truth ted cruz supported legalizing people in this country, and only now does he say that is absolutely false what he said is knowingly false. And i would note ill put on on my web site marcorubio. Com. If you want to assess who is telling the truth cheers then you should look to Jeff Sessions who said without ted cruz the rubioschumer amnesty bill would have passed and ted was responsible. You should look to Rush Limbaugh moderator senator ill put the video online. Moderator governor bush i want to bring this out to a wider philosophical aspect, if you will. Thank you. Moderator you have said illegal immigrant broke the law but its not a felony still quoting its an act of love, an act of commitment to your family. Mr. Trump ayou are aware, has denounced that statement. What does that mean to you and how do you feel about Immigration Reform . Great question. I feel like i have to get into my inner Chris Christie, and point out the reason why i should be president is listening to two senators talk about arcane amendments to bills that didnt pass. applause this is this is the problem. We need we need a leader to fix this problem. And i have a detailed plan to do just that, including controlling the border, dealing with the visa overstayers, making sure we have a path to legal status, not to citizenship, to those who come out from the shadows and pay a fine, learn glrk dont commit that is the better approach. Moderator do you believe the rhetoric is compassion antito this issue . The great majority of people who come to this country come because they have no other choice. They want to come to provide for their families. That doesnt mean its right. That doesnt mean its right. We should pick who comes to our country. We should control our border. Coming here legally should be a lot easier than coming illegally. The motivation, theyre not all rapists, as you know who said. Theyre not that. These are people coming to provide for their families and we should show a little more respect for the fact that theyre struggling. It doesnt mean we shouldnt be controlling the border. Thats exactly what we should be doing. Moderator mr. Trump applause when i announced that i was running for president on june 16, illegal immigration wasnt even a subject. If i didnt bring it up, we wouldnt even be talking. Now booing i dont often agree with marco, and i dont often the weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. They come out of an act of love. Well weather you like it or not, he is so weak on illegal immigration, its laughable. And everybody upons it. So, you know, this bell this is the Standard Operating Procedure to disparage me. Thats fine. I dont really care. Spend a little more money on the commercials. But if you want to talk about weakness, you want to talk about weakness, its weak to dissparnlg women. Its weak to disparage hispanics. Its weak to denigrate the disabled. And its really weak to call john mccain a loser because he was a p. O. W. I dent that is outrageous. He is an american hero. He also said excuse exoouz me. He said about language, two days ago, he said he would take his pants off and moon everybody, and thats fine. Nobody reports that. And then he tells me oh, my language was a little bit rough. My language. Moderator governor kasich. Give me a break. Governor kasich, governor kasich, here in sourk earlier this week, you said the idea, the concept of deporting 11 million undocument workers here make sure my mother is listening. Shes watching the debate. You did say it. Its been reported in 10 different newspaper. Moderator we will leave the moon metaphors to be adjudicated later, i assure you. Governor kasich, you said earlier this week in South Carolina, the concept, the idea of deporting 11 million undocument workers in this country is nuts. Why is it you are so opposed to that idea . Senator cruz has said its a simple application of existing law. The application of that is not inhumane. It is just. Why do you disagree . Before i get to that, this is the ninth or the tenth debate, and what ive been watching here, this backandforth. And these attacks, some of them are personal. I think were fixing to lose the election to Hillary Clinton if we dont stop this. I mean, the fact is, you know what i would suggest . Why dont we just take all the negative ads and all the negative comments down from television and let us just talk about what were for and lets sell that and the Republican Party will be stronger as a result. Now, that moderator on immigration . First of all, im for sealing the border, okay, and then im for a guest worker program. People can come in, work, and go back home. We havent closed the border because special interest, i believe, blocked it. Here. If they have not committed a crime since theyve been here make them pay a fine and back taxes and give them a path to legalization, never citizenship. It is not going to happen that were going to run around and try to drag 11. 5 Million People out of their homes. Ill tell thu within the first 100 days i will send a plan like this to the congress of the United States, and if im president ill bet you dollars to donuts right now. That will pass. Proposal that the people of this country, in my judgment, will support, and so will the bulk of the congress of the United States. applause moderator moving subjects, dr. Carson, this week, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay a 3. 2 billion fine to state and federal authorities for contributing to the mortgage crisis. You have a lot of democrats out saying we should be jailg more executives. So two questions. Should financial executives be held legally responsible for financial crises . And do you think fines like these are an effective way to deter companies from future behavior like that . First of all, please go to my web site, bencarson. Com, and read my immigration policy, okay, because it actually makes sense. As far as these fines are concerned, you know, heres the big problem weve got all these government regulators and all theyre doing is running around and weve got 645 different federal agencies and subagencies, way, way, too many, and they dont have anything else to do. I think what we really need to do is start trimming the regulatory agencies rather than going after the people who are trying to increase the viability, economic viability of our society. Now, that doesnt mean that there arent some people out there who are doing bad things. But im not sure that the way to solve that problem is by increasing all the regulatory burden. You know, when you consider how much regulations cost us each year, you know, 2 trillion per family, 24,000 per family. That happens to be the same level as the Poverty Level for a family of four bell you want to get rid of poverty. Get rid of all the regulations. Moderator senator cruz, i have a question for you. Speaker paul ryan has made a big commitment to trying to of poverty. Arthur brooks, who is the president of the American Enterprise institute says, if we are not warriors for the poor every day, Free Enterprise has no matter. How you have been in your campaign a warrior for the poor . I think it is a very important question because the people who have been hurt the most in the obama economy had been the most vulnerable. Its been young people. Its been hispanics. Its been african americans. Its been single moms. We have the lowest percentage of americans working today in any year since 1977. And the sad reality is big government, massive taxes, massive regulation, doesnt work. What we need to do instead is bring back booming Economic Growth. Small businesses are the heart of the economy. Twothirds of all new jobs come from Small Businesses. If we want to lift people out of povertyue know, i think of these issues from the perspective of my dad. My dad fled cuba in 1957. He was just 18. He couldnt speak english. He had nothing. He had did 100 in his dishes making 50 cent an hour and paid his way through school. Today my dad is a pastor. He travels the country preaching the gospel. Now, i think about all of these issues. How would it impact my dad if he was washing dishes . If we have obamad care in place the odds are very high that my dad would have been laid off because its teenaged kids like my dad who get laid off. And if he wasnt laid off, he would have had his hours reduced. We need to lift the burden on Small Businesses and we need welfare reform that gets people off welfare and back to work. bell . Moderator mr. Trump, mr. Trump, i was with you in pendleton, South Carolina, earlier this week at the rodeo arena. It was a bit chilly there. You promised the crowd and they rose to their feet that if ford or a company like it tried to move a company to mexico you would try to stop them or impose a 35 tariff. Of the presidency, where would you derive that power . Would you need the consent of congress to go along . And do you see the presidency as a perch from which you can cajole and or threaten private industry to do something you think is better for the u. S. Economy . I would build consensus with congress, and congress would agree with me. Ill give you an example. Because i dont like the idea of using executive orders like our president , it is a disaster what hes doing. I would build consensus, but consensus means you have to work hard. You have to cajole. You have to get them into the oval office and get them all together, and you have to make deals. Let me just tell you, i mentioned before, china, big chinese company, bought the chicago exchange. Kerry is moving and if you saw the people because they have a video of the announcement that carrier is moving to mexico, okay. Ill tell you what, i would go right now to carrier and i would say, i am going to work awfully hard. Youre going to make air conditioners now in mexico. Youre going to get all of being laid off theyre laid off. They were crying. It was a very sad situation. Youre going to go to mexico. Youre going to make air conditioners in mexico, youre going to put them across our border with no tax. Im going to tell them right now, i am going to get consensus from congress, and were going to tax you when the air conditioners come. Stay where you are or build in the United States because we are killing ourselveses with trade pacts that are no good for us and no good for our workers. bell moderator all right, mr. Trump, thank you so much. Were going to take a break for a moment. Well be back in a moment with the cbs news Republican Debate. 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Moderator were back now from greenville, South Carolina with the candidates for the republican president dwral nomination. Mr. Trump, i have a question for you. President s have to on the one hand be firm but also be flexible. You have been flexible and changed your opinion on a number of things from abortion to Hillary Clinton. Just like Ronald Reagan who changed his mind on things. But at the same time, youre criticizing senator cruz for what you say is a checkon imgration. He disputes that, of course. So why is your change of opinion make you like reagan and when he changes his opinion its a huge character flaw . John, in life you have flexibility. You do have flexibility. When youre fighting wars youre going one way, you have a plan. Its a beautiful plan. It cant lose. The enemy makes a change, and all of a sudden you have to change. You have to have flexibility. Ronald reagan, in terms of what were talking about, was the great example. He was a somewhat liberal democrat who became a somewhat pretty strong conservative. He became most importantly he became a great president. He made many of the changes that ive made, ive seen as a grew up and as i get older and wiser and i feel that i am a conservative. Now i also feel im a commonsense conservative because some of the views i dont agree with. And i think a lot of people agree with me, obviously, based on whats happening. Moderator which agree with . Well, i think these people always hit me with Eminent Domain, and, frankly, im not in love with Eminent Domain. But Eminent Domain is something you need very strongly. When jeb said you used Eminent Domain privately for a parking lot. It wasnt for a parking lot, the state of new jersey too bad Chris Christie wasnt here he could tell you the state of new jersey was going to build a tower that was going to employ thousands of people and do a big job in terms of economic development. Just so you understand, i got hit very hard. Its private, its private, Eminent Domain. You understand they took over a stadium in texas and they used private Eminent Domain but he just found that out after he made the charge. Moderator governor bush, i think by they they he is talking about your brother. Well, jeb, wouldnt have known about it. There is all sorts of intrigue where i disagree with my brother. That would be one right there. You should not use eminent purposes,. You shouldnt have used it then. Transmission lines, pipe lines, bridges, horizon, all of that is proper use of Eminent Domain. Not to take an elderly womans home to build a parking lot so high rollers can come to new york city to failed casinos in new york city. That is not the appropriate thing to do. Moderator senator cruz, you were mentioned in the mix here. Your response. You know, flexibility is a good thing, but it shouldnt you shouldnt be flexible on core principles. I like donald. He is an amazing entertainer. But his policies for most of his life thank you very much, i appreciate it. For most of his life, his policies have been very, very liberal. , for most of his life he has described himself as very prochoice, and a a supporter of partial birth abortion. Right now, today, as a candidate, he supports federal taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. I disagree with him on that. That is a matter of principle biggest liar. You are probably worse than jeb bush. You are the single biggest liar. This guy lied let me just tell you. This guy lied about ben carson when he took votes away from ben carson in iowa. And he just continues. And today, we had robo calls saying, donald trump is not going to run in South Carolina where im leading by a lot. Im not going to run. Vote for ted cruz. This is the same thing he did to ben carson. This guy will say anything. Nasty guy. Now i know why he doesnt have one endorsement from any of his colleagues. All right, john, i get to respond. Moderator pick from the buffet there. He is a nasty guy. I will say i will say it is fairly remarkable to see donald defending ben after he called him pathological and compared him to a child molester, both of which were offensive and wrong. I just quoted his book. Donald didnt disagree with the substance that he supports taxpayer funding and donald has this weird pattern when you point to his own record he screams liar, liar, liar. Where did i support it . Where did i support it. If you want to go and watch the video. Hey, ted, where did i support it . Dont tell me about a video. Out of his own mouth you supported it when we were battling over defunding planned parenthood. Thats a lot of nonsense. You said planned parenthood does wonderful things it does do wonderful things but not as it relates relates to args bothers. Excuse me. There are wonderful things having to do with womens health. You and i dils agree on that. Abortion. Not when it comes to abortion. Line. The reason, john, principal matters, sadly, was illustrated by the first questions today. The next president is gog appoint one, two, three, four Supreme Court justices. If donald trump is president , he will appoint liberals. President excuse me, excuse me. Your Second Amendment will go away. Moderator hold turn this car around. Ted cruz with your brother wanted john roberts to be on the United States Supreme Court. They both pushed him. He twice approved obamacare. Moderator all right, gentlemen. Good going, man. My name was mentioned twice moderator hold on, were in danger of driving this into the dirt. You gave us moderator senator rubio, you want to jump in here. He just called me a liar. Moderator youre on deck. He also denigrated one of my heroes, Ronald Reagan. Ronald reagan was a liberal maybe in the 1950s. He was a conservative reform governor for eight years before he became president and no one would suggest he made an evolution for political purposes. He was a conservative. And he didnt tear down people like donald trump does. He tore down the berlin wall. Great guy. Moderator governor senator cruz, 30 30 seconds on this one. I did not nominate john roberts. I would not have nominated you pushed him. You pushed him donald, donald. Why do you lie. Donald, adults learn not to interrupt each other. Yeah, yeah, i know, youre an adult. Your an adult. I did not nominate him. I would have nominated my former bus mike ludic, who was Justice Scalias first law clerk. And you know how i know donalds Supreme Court justices will be liberal because he supported liberals from jimmy carmter, Hillary Clinton, john kerry. In 2004 he contributed to john kerry. Nobody who cares about judges would contribute to john kerry, chum schumer and harry reid. Moderator were going to switch gears here. Senator marco rubio, please. Weigh in. On anything i want . Moderator i thought you you had let me talk about poverty. Moderator i thought you had a point you wanted to make. Poverty is something that is important i think that was me. Moderator youre on the ondeck circle, sir. To me poverty is Free Enterprise not reaching people. Today, we have antipoverty programs that dont cure poverty. We dont cure pompt in america. Our antipoverty programs have become in some instance ways of life, a lifestyle. We do need antipoverty programs. You cant have Free Enterprise programs without them but not as a way of life. I have a very specific proposal and in 60 seconds i cant describe them all but it basically turns the programs over to states, allowing states to design innovative programs to cure poverty, because i think nicki haley will do a better job of curing poverty than barack obama. Moderator senator, going back to immigration, in your last debate you listed your series of accomplishments in the senate. One thing you left off is Immigration Reform. Is it the case in your list of accomplishments you cant mention that . Its not the case,. Didnt pass. We have not solved immigration in this country, it is worse today than it was three years ago which is worse than five years ago and it has to be confronted and solved. You asked a question about let me tell you about that. One of the things you need in leadership is the ability to understand to get things done you must figure out the way to get it done. You will not pass comprehensive Immigration Reform. People do not trust federal government upon. They want to see the law enforced. They want to see illegal immigration come under control. They want to see that wall. They want to see everify. They want to see all of thyself things working and then they will have a conversation you about what do you do with people who have been here a long time that are otherwise not criminals. But theyre not going to do it until you first enforce the law. applause moderator dr. Carson i have applause dr. Carson, i have a question for you candidates candidates are before you ask the question, can i respond you know, they mentioned my name a couple of times. Moderator all right, you have 30 seconds, doctor. First of all, so many people have said to me, you need to scream and jump up and down like everybody else. Is that really what you want . What we just saw . I dont think so. And, you know, i when i got into this race, i hood of the engine of what runs washington, d. C. And my first inclination was to run away, but i didnt do it because im thinking about our children and fact that we are the United States of america. And anybody up here is going to be much better than whats going to come on the other side. And what happened tonight with Justice Scalia tells you that we cannot afford to lose this election and we cannot be tearing each other down. applause . Moderator dr. Carson, i let me ask you a different question. When you were you were the first one, really, to talk about political correctness. Everybody now talks about it, but that was really what sparked your rise. Politicians are often accused of glossing over any hard choices people have to make, just always saying happy, nice things. So in the spirit of saying something that might be politically incorrect, tell the voters something that they need to hear but that might be politically incorrect . Well, first of all, im not a politician. So im never going to become a politician. What people need to know. People need to know that free college is not its a nonstarter. You you know, you have to look at our economic situation. Were on the verge of economic collapse. And, you know, were its not just the 19 trillion. But its also the 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. What we need to think about is what does that do to the average person . When we have a debt of that nature, it causes the fed to change their policy. It causes the central bank to keep the rates low, and who does does that affect . Mr. Arnlg who used to go to the bank every friday and put part of his check in the bank and watch it grow over three decades and be able to retire with a nice nest egg. Thats gone. That part of the American Dream is gone. All of these things are disappearing. And Bernie Sanders and people like Hillary Clinton blame it on the rich. They say those evil rich people. Solve the problems. Its not the evil rich people. Its the irresponsible evil government. bell . applause . Moderator governor kasich. Governor kasich, youve been described as the democrats favorite republican. You talked about New Hampshire democrats who come up to you and say, i hope you win. Why will that help you win a republican nomination . You know, john, i think all people are the same. I did 106 town halls halls halls and i have been doing them left and right here in South Carolina. The first thing we have to do is groat economy and i know the form law landstuhl because i was chairman in washington when we balanced the budget and created so much jobs the same we did in ohio. You need commonsense regulation, lower taxes on business and individuals, and you need a fiscal plan to be able to get ourselves in a situation where people can predict a little bit about the future when it comes to the fiscal issues. Formula, combined with workforce thats trained, you can explode the economy and create many jobs. I have done it twice and i want to go back to washington and do it again. John, the thing is i think there are people now, these bluecollar democrats my dad was a bluecollar democrat the democratic partys left them. When theyre arguing about being socialists, theyve lost those bluecollar democrats. And you know what i think they get out of me is my sense of what they get out of me, and its an embarrassment about campaigns. You brag about yourself. bell but i think im a uniter. I think people sense it. Im a man that can give people hope and a sense that they have the opportunity rise. And ill tell you, i love these bluecollar democrats because theyre going to vote for us come next fall, promise you that. applause moderator mr. Trump, let me ask you a question, president s in both parties say the one thing you need in your administration is somebody who can tell you youre wrong. You dont necessarily seem like somebody who has somebody who tells you youre wrong a lot. Instance when somebody said, donald trump, youre wrong, and you listened to them. I would say my wife tells me im wrong all the time. And i listen. laughter moderator about what . Oh, let me just say look, i am very open i hired top people. Ive had great success. I built a great, great company. I dont need to do this. Im selffunding. Im spending a lot of money. Ive spent like in New Hampshire i spent 3 million. Jeb bush spent 44 million. He came in five and i came in number one. Thats what the country needs, folks. I spend 3. He spends 42 of their money, of special interest money. And its just this is not going to make excuse me. This is not going to make our country great again. This is not what we need in our country. We need people that know what the hell theyre doing. And politicians, theyre all talk. Theyre no action. And thats why people are supporting me. I do listen to people. I hire experts. I hire top, top people. And i do listen. Sometimes theyre wrong. You have to know what to do when to do it. But sometimes theyre wrong. Moderator something in talking to voters that they wish somebody would tell you to cut it out is the profanity. Whats your reaction to that . applause . Well, ill tell you over the years, ive made many speeches. People have asked me, Big Companies have asked me to make expeeches frenz of mine that run Big Companies, on success. And occasion, in order to sort of really highlight something, ill use a profanity. One of the profanities that i got credited with using that i didnt use was a very bad word two weeks ago they never used. I said. You. And everybody said oh, he didnt say anything wrong. But you bleep ed it. So everyone thinks i said i didnt say anything. I never said the word. It is very unfair that criticism. Now, i will say this, with all of that being said, bell i have said i will not do it at all, because fisay a word color, a little bit, it ends up being a headline. I will not do it again. I was a very good student at a great school not using by the way not using profanity is very easy bell . Moderator governor bush. I have to respond to this. Moderator how about you respond and you can answer the question ill ask. Sounds like a good plan or you could ask meme two questions so i will get two questions. Moderator if we adjudicate this the night will be over. In 2012 you said your father and Ronald Reagan would have a hard time based on their records of trying to find accommodation and finding some degree of common ground. Do you still feel that way . I think the dysfunction in washington is really dangerous and we need a proven leader that has a record of solving problems, someone who doesnt cut and rup. Someone who will be a commander in chief to unite our country, someone who doesnt disparage people or brags hes been bankrupt four times and it was great because he could use the legal system. Let me respond. Thats another lie. Thats another lie. This guy doesnt know what hes talking about. We need someone with a proven record to be able to forge consensus to solve problems. And right now, both republicans and democrats in washington dont get it. People are struggling. 63 of americans cant make a 500 car payment. Most americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And we need someone with a proven record of growing the economy, reforming the things that are broken and im that person. Moderator mr. Trump, you can respond. Jeb goes around saying just like the biggest Business Leaders in this country ive used the laws of the land to chapter i bought a company, i threw it immediately into a chapter, i made a great deal. I uses the laws to my benefit because i run a company. Excuse me, jeb i never went bankrupt, never. But you dont want to say that. Let me just say, ive used it just like the biggest leaders in the country. Let me tell you something, florida. Flrkd he put so much debt on floridaue know, we keep governor, wonderful governor he put so much debt on florida, and he increased spending so much that as soon as he got out of office, florida crashed. I happened to be there. Its my second home. Florida crashed. He didnt coa good job as governor. Here we go. Excuse me, you havent heard that. You listen to the good record in florida. You take a look at what happened as soon as that year ended he got out bell florida crashed. Too much debt. He loaded it up with debt, and his spending went through the ruth. Moderator john, please, the bells are ringing, sir. Governor. Heres the record. Heres the record. We led the nation in job growth seven out of eight years. When i left there was 9 billion of reserves, 35 of general revenue. No state came close to that. Take a look at your numbers. We were one of the two states to go to a. A. A. Bond rating. We didnt go bankrupt and call it success when people are laid off, when vendors dont get paid. Thats not success. What we did was create an environment where people had a chance to have income. Time went up 4. 4 . Florida went down right after you went to office. The Government Group moderator senator rubio, i want to ask you a 30second question 30 seconds. Moderator ill ask the question and you do what you want. Ill speak facht. Moderator no president can know everything, right . So a smart leader knows how to ask questions. So if you could talk to any previous president , whats the smart question you would ask about that job that you want ton . I think one of the president s the president i grew up under was Ronald Reagan, and reagan hadda i vision for americas future. If you think about what Ronald Reagan inherited its not unlike what the next president will inherit. This is the worst president we had for 35 years, 35 years would make it jimmy carter. I think the question is how do you ipspire the American People to believe in the future . What did it take to ensure that the American People despite all of the difficulties of the timeue look back at the time. The American Military was in was in decline. We had hostages being held in iran. Our economy was in bad shape. The American People were scared about the future. They were scared about what kind of country their children were going to live in and inherit. And yet somehow Ronald Reagan was able to instill in our nation and our people a sense of optimism and he turned america around because of what vision and ultimately because of that leadership. I wish Ronald Reagan was still around. This country needs someone just like that. And if our next president is even half the president Ronald Reagan was, america is going to be greater than its ever been. Moderator thats going to have to be it there, senator rubio. We have to go to a break. We will be right back with the cbs news Republican Debate in greenville, South Carolina. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. 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Youve been fantastic. And look, what i want you to know is im going to send a lot of power, money, and influence back to where we all live. But as ive traveled around South Carolina ive noticed something. You know, its that people have a sense that youre not going to wait on a president. You know, when i was a kid we didnt wait for president s to come to that little bluecollar town and fix things. You know, the lord made all of us special. The lord wants us to be connected. I believe were part of a very big mosaic. And ill send the power back. And whoever gets elected president here, hopefully well take care of the issue of jobs and wages and Social Security and the border. But the spirit of the america rests in all of us. Its in our guts. Its taking care of our children. Its taking care of the lady next door who just lost her husband. Its fixing the schools where we live and telling kids to stay off drugs. You see, i think what the lord wants is for to us engage. In america, the spirit of america doesnt come from the top down. And i want to call on everyone in america to double down and realize that you were made special to heal this country and lift it for everyone. Thank you all very much. And i hope i can have your vote in South Carolina. applause moderator dr. Carson, dr. Carson, youre next. This is the first generation not expected to do better than their parents. Some people say its the new normal. But theres nothing normal about it in an exceptional american. I, like you, am a member of we, the people, and we know that our country is headed off the cliffs. Joseph stalin said if you want to bring america down you have to undermine three things our spiritual life, our patriotism, and our morality. We, the people, can stop that decline, starting right here in South Carolina. If all the people who say, i love ben carson and his policies, but he cant win, vote for me, not only can we thing around. You know, we have this manipulation by the Political Class and by the media telling us who were supposed to pick and how were supposed to live. We, the people, are the only people who determine that. And if you elect me as your next president , i promise you that you will get somebody who is accountable to everybody and beholden to no one. Thank you. applause moderator governor bush. Thank you all very much. The next president is going to be confronted with an unforeseen challenge. Thats almost certain. It could be a pandemic, a major natural disaster, or an attack on our country. The question for South Koreans and american is you who do you want to have behind the big desk in the oval office because thats the question. Its not the things were talking about today. Its the great challenge that may happen. I believe i will have a steady hand as commander in chief and president of the United States. I will unite this country around common purposes. Of the state of florida. When i was governor, we had eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in 16 months. Our state was on its back. We recovered far faster than what people thought because we led. We ran to the challenge rather than cutting and running. Thats what we need in washington, d. C. We need someone with a servants heart that has a backbone that isnt going to focus polls and focus groups. Its going to focus on the American People to keep them safe and secure. I ask for your vote next saturday. applause moderator thank you, governor. And now, senator marco rubio. Thank you, thank you for watching tonight. This is a difficult time in our country. Our economy is flat. Its not creating the jobs it once did. People struggle living paycheck to paycheck. Our culture is in trouble. Wrong is now considered right and right is considered wrong, and all the things that once held our Families Together are now under constant assault. And around the world, marc reputation is in decline. Our allies dont trust us. Our adversaries dont fear us. And parades them before the world on video. These are difficult times, but 2016 can be a turning point. Thats why im running for president. Thats why im here today to ask you for your vote. If you elect me president , we are going to reembrace Free Enterprise so everyone can go as far as their talent and work will take them. We are going to be a country that says life begins at conception and the life is worthy of the protection of our laws. We are going to be a country that says a marriage is between one man and one woman and we are going to be a country that says the constitution and the rights that it talks about do not come from our president. They come from our creator. And we are going to be loyal to our allies, like israel, not enemies like iran, and we will rebuild the u. S. Military so no one will dare test it. Vote for me. I will unify this party bell i will grow it. We will win this election and we will make want 21st century a new american century. Moderator matter senator cruz, your closing statement. South carolina, you have a critical choice to make. Our country literally hangs in the balance. Do you want another washington dealmaker who will do business as usual, cut deals with the democrats, grow government, grow debt, and give up our fundamental liberties . Or do you want a conservative, a proven conservative who will stand and fight with you each and every day . Listen, repealing obamacare is not going to be easy. Passing a simple flat tax and abolishing the i. R. S. Is not going to be easy. But if we stand with the American People we can do it. And today, we saw just how grave the stakes are. Two branches of government hang in the balance, not just the presidency, but the Supreme Court. If we get this wrong, if we nominate the wrong candidate, the Second Amendment, life, marriage, religious liberty every one of those hangs in the balance. My little girls are here. I dont want to look my say, we lost their liberties. Who do you know will defend the constitution and bill of rights and as a commander in chief who do you know will stand up to our economies as the calm, steady, deliberate strength to defeat our economies bell to secure the borders and keep america safe . applause moderator all right, mr. Trump, your closing statement. Thank you. Politicians are all talk, no action. Youve seen where theyve taken you to. Now. Its going to be inincreased with that horrible budget from a month ago that was politicians. We need a change. We need a very big change. Were going to make our country great again. I say this every night, every day, every afternoon, win anymore. We dont win with health care. We dont win with isis and the military. Vets. We dont take care of our we dont win. Were going to start winning again. We are not going to be controlled by people that are special interests and lobbyists that everybody here has contributed to. And you know what . They do exactly what those folks want them to do. Were going to make our country great, and were going to do the right thing. Im working for you. Im not working for anybody else. Thank you very much. applause . Moderator all right, final thoughts in a moment. Politics now with Steve Sebelius and patrick walker. Steve thanks for joining us for this special postdebate edition of Steve Sebelius. Patrick im patrick walker. Alan stock. Annette magnus and fernando romero. S that field narrowed down to six candidates, that began by commenting on a developing topic