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Patriot Act tip number 5 listening to 960 on the Patriot app but want to see the latest from the Patriot on Twitter and Facebook click the upper left hand corner and access both without leaving the app download the Patriot app and your app store today. Well hello everybody and welcome to the Dennis Prager Show that he gets to my truly Stevens historian guest in a moment. Just want to remind you that the. Desire to rid the country of the last election is so great that the Democratic Party has decided that the American people on press ignoring their own candidates for president is worthless I don't recall in the last 10 days or so the name Elizabeth Warren Peter booted judge Bernie Sanders etc being mentioned Faye must be disgusted Joe Biden has been mentioned a great deal I suspect he's not happy about the context but the desire to remove the President and undo the last election which is what all presidential removals tale is so great that they are willing to do it it is inconceivable to me that anyone except the most avid political animal and I would say that all derogatorily if you're a political animal you are is watching or listening to the proceedings. One has to be truly preoccupied to give up one's work day to do so. All right my guest has been a guest before she's made a video for Prager you 2 of them in fact she is the author of 4 New York Times best sellers and it's funny Had she was a member of the of the Great Wall Street Journal of the story of what had I wanted her to write a book on any subject this probably would have been it I can't wait to read it to the best of my knowledge it is out today and we're honored that she's come on this program to debut with The Great Society It's titled not the it's title is Great Society a new history one could say that this this truly is what changed the current American government and the way people look at government so indeed Amity Shlaes Welcome to the Dennis Prager Show. Thank you I'm honored to be here that's very sweet of you to say are you up for right before we get to your book are you up for any comments on what as currently taking place. The comment I would make relates to your data which is the policy is going to happen regardless of the outcome of the impeachment discussion and process so you know we are not talking about the candidate who will deliver that policy should they be elected or the policy itself yet the policy is very close an expansion of Medicare to Medicare for all. And to right to work these are policies the candidates are talking about and the reality is they could come into power so we should consider them that that's the main point and what what my book is is sort of a pre-planned idealistic policy it shows you what happens when big idealists get in power like the ones we have today and the result was implicit of the result was walk not happy what was the original Reagan used. I went solicitous Yes Oh infelicitous Yes maybe I was talking to Graham No no not at all it's Though I admit in soliciting I have to say if no one has ever asked me How are you Dennis and I sit in Philip solicitous but I know I know what it means obviously but it's an understatement that's that's that's that's a fair comment Ok tell everybody what the great society in a nutshell was. Idealism was what the Great Society was in the early sixty's everyone thought we could have a great society that is not just good but great here we were we come out of World War One and World particularly World War 2 as winners we could clean up everything including poverty just as we cleaned up Europe that was the attitude and there were 2 ways to do this we could do it through the private sector by creating jobs and abolishing poverty through employment or we could do it through the public sector collectively we opted for the public sector we said government should do this not the private sector so. Lyndon Johnson said he was going to cure prop poverty that was what the president said cure poverty they were going to be sure old people all had everything they needed they created Medicare and so on in his program which he called the Great Society he gave a speech at the University of Michigan in 1965 to announce it and the results were not great in fact poverty has flattened out as we know it about 10 per cent So 2 so what was it for and. My book traces the idealism and its failures I tried to ride with the characters and watch them see their own failures instead of damning them all from the beginning narratively So this is a story from the point of view Walter Ruther the great union leader who thought he could save this who thought he could save Detroit and then killed it. Through demanding high wages that automakers couldn't afford making Detroit uncompounded is so I follow him through and I also follow Ronald Reagan through he starts very low and begins to become the spokesman for the reversals that became necessary. Whose idea was it. Whose idea was that. Speechwriters I'd say it was an impulse from universities and also it was the reason it was great not good is Johnson's ambition Johnson had strong majorities in Congress and he knew how to use them as other Istari and have said noted but he wanted to do something with that what's the presidency for and so he said I will finish everything that was started in the New Deal the 1930 s. And complete the new deal with this great society. You know it's interesting is this phrase has a provenance and there was a book about the great society of by an English socialist sort of Fabian type and that book describes meant by great big networks it didn't mean great perfect. So even the place the title came from wasn't as ambitious as the great society advocates under Johnson did anyone warn about it. Well Barry Goldwater for example one of the nice things to see the important things to see is right to work in our law we have a provision whereby states can opt out of heavy union rules where people don't have to be in unions where companies don't have to be unionized and that provision was almost eliminated by the Great Society Johnson pledged to make every state a traditional union state and kill right to work however he got tired after leading civil rights and Medicare and so on and never got to this there by permitting our right to work states to flourish and offering us a great natural experiment done us because the states that had right to work for unions were not. Didn't better added more manufacturing jobs thrived So so the evidence is there in fact this book has quite a number of charts at the end if you want if you want the evidence. So that that's a super important thing to do and Goldwater spoke up and pointed that out don't give up right to work let states have no unions if they like Reagan was to give me the right to work does that mean no unions it means you don't have to join the union it means you don't have to join a union that's right doesn't mean unions are bad and you don't have to join economies. Yeah that is all a state needs Yes exactly given the choice right and then may I add there was an also in this period there was another experiment we president John f. Kennedy signed Executive Order one o 988 which said the federal government can unionize the work John Kennedy did in his presidency. You could argue that and he had no idea the effect of it they've had of themselves on the back about that executive order because they didn't really give the federal employees the right to strike and they said this is nothing and instead is inspired everyone who works in government federal state and local to unionize and to demand high wages if the man packages they could not afford for example giving us our pension crisis the state pension crisis can be traced back to the unionization of the public sector smiled upon by Kennedy and progressive governors who are speaking with Amity Shlaes who writes Great Books Books are also just simply interesting which I think is the number one criterion of a whole theory on being interesting but I'll leave it for him of the time Great Society a new history Shlaes is s h l e s and the book is up at the Dennis Prager dot com How much well alright we'll take a break so we're going to continue. Folks that this is the way to look at it and I'm going to verify if she believes this but I think what she said made it clear what I've always understood this was part 2 of the New Deal. And that is the we are living with the aftereffects of it it is was an experiment in ever expanding government the Dennis Prager Show mine from the relief factor pain free studio. This Christmas the Salvation Army invites you to join the fight for a good fight to support the 30000000 children who live in poverty across the u.s. Fight to bring Christmas to the thousands who lost everything in this year's fires and the fight to help the hard working families across our communities who struggle to put food on the table make rent and keep the electricity on every single day in fact the Salvation Army serves over 23000000 people in the u.s. 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And the the enduring consequences are all part of this important new book Great Society a new history by Amity Shlaes it is out today it's always exciting for an author it's a sort of like giving birth are we said being a male. So self identifying since birth I. It's the closest I come to giving birth is that when a book comes out it's a it's a it's another great one by her by Amity Shlaes so. I want to go back to the the voices that might have warned that this was overreach and the this is not the way to really conquer poverty Barry Goldwater was alone or with the Republicans how did the Republicans vote on the Great Society bills. One of the interesting ones was Everett Dirksen who did support the civil rights law which was pretty good the early civil rights law may be necessary but when it came to right to work he did not want to abolish that provision so that states could have companies without unions and he turned against Johnson he was a Republican Everett Dirksen very interesting then his own guy and he turned against Johnson and prevented the abolition of right to work that would be a good one I have Wilbur Mills in the book he's a Democrat but Wilbur Wilbur deserves more memory when we were growing up he was known as the powerful will Wilbur Mills as the powerful were part of his name he chaired the Ways and Means Committee and Wilbur Mills said wait a minute lending you're spending too much. We budgeted x. For the 1st year of Medicare and it was way more than that let's stop Lyndon and Johnson had him over to the White House to put a squeeze on him to the powerful Wilbur Mills chairman of the Ways and Means Committee and Johnson had a bunch of other people there and he said everyone agrees with me what about you Wilbur Where are you on this then Mills said I know where I am I'm in the wrong place I'm leaving he walked out of the White House because he didn't want to agree to every aspect of the spending on entitlements that would be met I mean things we live with we're all from this period Medicare Medicaid expansion of food stamps and so on. And what if the listeners wondering what is the extent of it the New Deal commitments social commitments from the 30 are pretty big but the Great Society commitments the expansion of the New Deal has been bigger since the year 2002 so this this program had more impact on this than the new deal then Social Security plan and simple and and that's important to know. At the very beginning of the book I have a character named Lamb Bowl where it's a great name a lamb you will recall a poll where and he worked at g.e. He was a little labor executive on the edge of retirement people had written off. And he hired a few people to talk about free markets and Henry has led an Adam Smith and so on and one of them was Ronald Reagan and at that time. And all that and almost all the actor that Reagan was not even a particularly famous actor and at the time this little effort by General Electric to inform citizens about the importance of free markets liberty freedom and so on was last out and was shut down and Reagan was actually separated you could say fired and his show g e theater was canceled and you thought well nothing will ever come of this and Mr Bull where went to Delray Beach and retired and Reagan tried to get a job as an actor but in fact what Reagan learned at g.e. He was able to use to run for governor of California and then for president so there's some lessons in this book about investment in ideas it seems like investing in ideas is silly compared to politics but sometimes you get a better return when you invest in ideas instead of the political right one what did he learn of g.e. . What he learned in g.e. Was that for example the Tennessee Valley Authority is makes power but it's very expensive and sometimes it makes the wrong kind of power it was a government bet on energy that that depended on hydropower it turned out hydro power is not the best power so he pointed out that government makes bad choices Oh so that all is losers So in other words this was Ronald Reagan who was a Democrat this was his epiphany this was his school and now he this is when he learned that government is not the solution that's the problem. That's right and he worked at g.e. For quite a number of years of a little speech given Kaga basically he was good at it he was Ronald Reagan but he was a p.r. Guy and at the beginning you know he didn't like communism but he was didn't know about domestic policy and he thought the New Deal was just great He'd grown up in the Great Depression and he became a convert any bought his son a few shares of g.e. Stock all maybe the private sector can do a lot of things that we thought only the public sector could do and he became a convert but if you would interview g.e. Executives in 1962 they would say oh that Reagan left he's passe his ideas are passe Mr blowers ideas are passe time for the great society so it's kind of hope signal and I follow Reagan and Bush you know both where Right him they kind of stay in touch and I follow Reagan devolution but all with ideas he learned in his little sessions at General Electric Well I just for anecdotal note. That is what changed me from Democrat to Republican Ronald Reagan's convincing me about the perils of big government so he learns that a ged and then I learned it from him. That's right and it's it that's right and it's a lot of people learned from him and so so g.e. Is a little funding was it was kind of worthwhile when you are doing education this IP shows you have a big effect but also negatively National Public Radio was created in that period. But left wingers and progressive began to arrive at universities and make the so-called long March into the tenured positions they now hold right so so a lot of things that were part of the Great Society. Women are freedom today and also limit our capacity for reform All right we're going to continue the book is up with Dennis Prager dot com Great Society a new history I want to talk to anybody Shlaes about how much it cost. It's it's a truly decisive moment in American history. And why did Lyndon Johnson do it I have my theories but I rather hear her believe back in a moment you're listening to the Dennis Prager Show Dennis Prager Show. Really mean to you. You're listening. To News 916 in. 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Great society it's affecting you every single one of you listening deeply it changed America. It's titled Great Society a new history it has affected us Praeger dot com It is out today for anything major comes out of the hearings a letter no release to find told I will let you know back to Amity Shlaes. I have I personally have a lot of questions about the The Great Society programs which which of course we live with how much let's talk about poverty that Medicare how much poverty did it actually abolish. Well the question is did it abolish any so we have 10 per cent about 1015 percent in the period afterwards we had 30 early before as in $150.00 but from 952960 which is before the Great Society we dropped down towards 20 so we were dropping our poverty level without the government before without the government and then it continued to drop with this abolish poverty program at a slower rate. So we get a poverty program and poverty reduction flows down and plateaued at about 10. And we said we don't want to win nested ties people we don't want to get them into a habit we don't want permanent chains of entitlements around them but that is precisely what we created a local Army I was on the an effort we put him in chains Yeah I just want you to know something I have said and I stand by. With receives ridicule and I was of no interest to me I believe literally that it is harder for an individual to get off entitlement to addiction than heroin addiction. That would make sense because if it's all you know you want to keep it in our society does not send a signal that it's worthwhile to get off an entitlement and of course even because seniors who are non poor get Medicare they kind of like entitle months too so it's a political buyout that leaves us. How much did I do with my tardy how much of the Great Society cost. We know now it's billions less than defense what at the time they thought this was a nice little program but it was less than defense you know and we had a war on and at the peak 500000 people were in the army and you know in the Southeast Asia area and afterwards we might slow down the domestic payments but we had to keep America happy while we were pursuing this contentious War Well the commitments it's the promises that matter the commitments that we made we had to keep We kept Medicare and expanded it Medicaid and so on and fairly soon this butter cost more than the guns and that's a thing that matters most Nobody ever envisioned guns would cost less than butter than domestic policy and yet that happened is early 1972 because of the promises and since around 1972 but our domestic social programs have been weighed pricier than guns so and the Wall Street Journal I said today 4 times which is a good good measure when I hear the figure trillion dollars over the course of time on Poverty is that an accurate statement it is over the course of time but the the projects what matters is that the project started out modest and then in blue there is an object lesson and in there was no government program in history that hasn't polluted. If you don't really follow charity loon no no this is the way that we're . That's why I wrote about Calvin Coolidge who I love that I read I read your fellow or the you know he's my favorite president now. But in the example of another unintended program Johnson didn't really have an idea what within its Probert poverty program he remembered you know when he was in the New Deal that there had been a national youth organization with job digging and so on that was his idea of a poverty program and one of the 5 in the poverty program was a legal assistant proport people by which most people probably also Johnson thought we mad money and lawyers to help a lady divorcing a man who beats her legal assistance right that is not what took off at all or let's find out when you come back the book Great Society and the history Bam of the sleaze up the tennis player talk come. 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America is the rate of poverty in the United States was dramatically being reduced between the fifty's and sixty's when Lyndon Johnson was president in the sixty's so then they decided I was not going to let the private sphere conquer poverty that is let companies and businesses employ people the best way to conquer poverty we'll do it with the government and then we created vast numbers of people relying on public assistance and the rate of poverty reduction was reduced Is that a correct summary what I said That is correct yes Ok so this is it so important for people to understand so. That the next the Medicare how did an elderly individual song which in those days meant over $65.00 people died then. How did somebody in their sixty's or seventy's certainly get medical care prior to Medicare. Well if you read progressive literature they'll say these people had nothing and that is simply not so in America there were a vast number of local groups community groups church groups who took care of older people including building them hospitals little community hospitals little church hospitals little fraternal society hospitals David Beetle has a very good book about this the America of Tocqueville did take care of older people to a large extent and families but Johnson wanted to create a federal program Medicare and he did and you know. Every senior likes to get money to help with his health care but nobody imagined Medicare would cost what it did Johnson as you pointed out did not envision the demographic shift the the longer life expectancy that we have and therefore never envisioned how much Medicare would cost how much those are called. Well I don't want to say that I think it cost I don't want to say that get it wrong let me look I can look it up for you but. When you look we we when we talk about entitlements we talk in the choice so. True to you. How much how much did the Great Society impact national the national debt. Well not a lot at 1st but later because what it was was like a trap that you lay for later generations so now when we see that as a share of g.d.p. Going over 60 percent much higher we used to say we couldn't it was just not allowed for debt as a share of g.d.p. To go over 60 well we see that now that's a result of those promises we made in the 1960 s. I want to we wouldn't have I want to mention that in title meant that word didn't even really exist and told the Great Society because the law for it didn't exist the government could hand out charity at the government's discretion or according to a law but the government could also withdraw charity if it thought an individual didn't need it that changed in the 1960 s. Entitlements became entitle once welfare payments became legally something akin to property that was a revolution there was a famous case Goldberg v Kelley where entitlements became close to property you are owed that no matter what just the way someone who takes out of patent is owed to the ownership of his idea as a new say that the Supreme Court would do that I want to mention one other thing about poverty we did Martin Luther King said to Walter Ruther you know we didn't know we were poor until you told us we were poor quantification has an influence as well we didn't have an official poverty measure until just around the Great Society period a lady named Molly or Shanti said oh let's quantify poverty let's let's figure it out what we think of people really can't cover their rent and their food and have some extras they're poor and we'll set that number at 2500 for a family or 3000 or whatever she found and once the number was created that enabled the legislation because there was a Data. Point to show people oh Maqui have poverty. Is not interesting it kind of interface to tional eyes poverty in a way that I view is counterproductive Do you really have poverty and to get out of it yes yes exactly do you write about the impact of the Great Society. Out of wedlock births. Well Daniel Patrick Moynihan did that we had a problem with out of wedlock births before Great Society through welfare law is there 2 reasons we had out of wedlock births that I look at in the book one actually is urban renewal because we built these great projects for poor people and moved them and displaced them and they lost their sense of community when they were moved 2nd perverse welfare laws said you can't get welfare Mrs lady if Dad is present and that was before the Great Society So there's sort of the evil before the evil then in the sixty's. In addition to that dad is gone mom maybe gets more money she becomes politically active she has a right to her welfare and the cycle is just perpetuated you have to imagine what it would have been like a black people for example have been allowed to stay in their poor neighborhoods that were slums we've learned since then that slums unfiled that's called gentrification instead of being moved into Harbel towers in the book I talk about Pruitt I go which is. People from St Louis will know this which was a dreamy set of towers built with the highest aspirations for the poor and it failed nearly from the beginning it became a hell trap and it was one of those projects we had to blow up in early seventy's but your book you're saying for one of my biggest theses of life good intentions without was. Leads to chaos. And there's no wisdom on the left that is one of my series of like the book is great society and new history the Dennis Prager Show mine from the relief factor pain free studio. 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