The cougar No I actually don't know if it's a nickname. I just made up just now. I am your host as always Tara Mari and we have a very special guest today all of our guests are special Let me let me be clear I love all of our guests equally but if I had to choose a favorite and maybe this one. I mention this on the show before I am one of the new members of the super trash Bros we run a drinking match for this tournament in the city and sort of a Pinsky's 1st Mondays and this upcoming will be a smash $64.00 night and we also host the drum Tafel which is a video game tournaments also involving drinking of course that we host on 4th Wednesday it will be tomorrow night and so today I have one of my co-host Derek Lipton whatever buddy Hey How you doing pretty good thing to be on the show yeah thank you for having me I this is the most special invitation to any sort of creative endeavor I think I've ever received so it's a creative endeavor I was about to ask like what about prom and stuff like that well I suppose I was never asked Ok and so did you go to prom I did go to prom cool it was great for the listeners Derek is very handsome. Asked me if I went to prom Mari to go to prom now. I mean to be fair I just for me it was more just like I didn't think it was going to be fun and like one of my friends because it is you're super handsome no do all the Ok. Thank you have a handsome offer but also you have no idea what I look like in high school that is true sure it's not great. But like. Yeah I mean I just I'm I'm one of my friends is like come on let's go it'll be. It'll be like. Interesting and like an experience you'll never forget and like I disagree with all of that yeah but maybe I'll go and I looked at the prices of like taxi to rentals and I was like This is so I don't I don't there's no girl that I can think of asking like none of this is going to be I don't want to go stag with a bunch of other of my nerd friends I love them but you know right. So my friend goes next day ask him how it was and he like so income for what he was like there was nothing. I bet you like we just had our own drink punch and I was like yeah I bet your extensive take. You know I was actually most disappointed by my I mean it was a lovely event I had I had a girlfriend at the time so we had fun doing whatever and so my disappointment was we went to the Santa Cruz Beach boardwalk like a commercial for yes but I did not our group only paid for the ball room so we got to the Boardwalk and I'm like oh yeah we're going to go play video games or play some pinball do whatever just have fun on the boardwalk No we have to stay in the ballroom the entire time oh my god. So I had I mean it was lovely We had a decent d.j. And dancing to the whole thing joked around I didn't I'm sure there are some people who sneak some alcohol and I did not partake right but it was I was very disappointed that I could not enjoy the fruits of the boardwalk that's crazy yes we had a grad night that was fun we had like a video game set up and then jazzy and least not going to few of our junior friends and we just sat around the fire pit and like no school yeah yeah prom doesn't seem to strike me as that kind of thing anyway we should definitely talk about what the show which is Smash Brothers we have a we have a character as always and today's character is. Like the one of the only Ike who I guess doesn't have a 2nd name and I think he's just like I don't think you need a 2nd name in the fire and. I mean it does say his name in Japanese is. An area we figured it all out. But I mean it's Ok so here's the thing listeners might be realizing that I sound like I'm stalling and that's because neither Derek nor I have played the game that I wasn't. Full disclosure we place a perspective that we played with Ike we hadn't played the game that he was in and that's Ok. How do you feel about fire in winter I find it to be one of many of those sort of fantasy. R.p.g. Yeah. It's like an r.p.g. Tactics Yeah yeah I've just never been that good at those games I mean I sort of appreciate them as they're very artistic and they have these really interesting storylines very complex story lines with numerous characters I think I have always favored you know just avoiding barrels and climbing industrial complexes that's that's my kind of speed of you know you know I dig and that's awesome Yeah I mean I was telling this before the show but I didn't really get into this game at all because of permadeath and like my o.c.d. Wouldn't let me have a team where I could permanently lose a character and the worst part is that like these characters would die and then they'd be like son take care of your mother for me I'm going now and I'll never be back and it's like don't kids. This is one of the most popular video game franchises in Japanese history and. It's so messed up you know they they they just learn to deal with their emotions at a very early age and then so I got fired I'm away getting on a whim and because I found out that there was an easy and there was no permit and you could turn it off right a lot of people would probably you know rag on me for doing that but I don't care. But yeah the game was amazing and like the game itself it was really fun the tactics are really interesting and I am looking forward to getting faith even with the issues that game has and rights but anyway so we're saying all of us about because we really want to talk about something else and because we do talk about Nintendo news on the show discuss it as as it comes out so most important thing that's been revealed since last episode in this one is that the. The x. Has been revealed now the Nintendo switch switches. That should be their time I just gave it to him for free perfect just so you know I never listening so. I actually have a friend who I'm probably going to have on the show who works for Nintendo for like a year oh yeah he just he just left but he was in there like. He's going to hate that I don't miss it was like it was like the marketing department he was an analyst Ok And like he would he was tell he was saying that as a 1st we could He was like eating lunch and then they graded These may just walked in and was like having lunch with them I was like I hate you I want to be best friends right he could have gotten the best Street Pass of any of us he just gets if he doesn't get it through the street has weekend he just gets Reggie because Reggie is around that's so mind blowing you think about if you could go through what's the one me me Quest the one we have Yeah and that he's super powered up is right tagged in like 40 times just always there for you I just want you to. Want to be to be a father figure to every I mean isn't the already pretty well. So your thoughts about them which I am very excited I saw the preview the reveal and immediately started sacking away a small bundle of cash that I knew was going to be developed devoted to that or just you know I should invest exactly the amount that I think is going to be the cost and hope that that just appreciates over time just so I have the exact amount ready it's it just looks fantastic yeah I mean really a new concept I mean I kind of like I was like the way you I thought that the dual screen was very cool and you know sort of harkens to the d.s. Which was hugely successful and you know it's never had the content to really bring it out and so it looks like they've gone away from that but they still sort of have this you know screen in your hands and playing with and I mean just the way. A that they played the device in the ad was amazing yeah I definitely super need it I need a really bad and it's coming out my birthday month March and like that's Ok so I mean people accuse me of being a rabid Nintendo fanboy so I'm going to acknowledge the possible controversies there's a rumor that it might not be tough for. Them to save on processing power and moving that honestly that's fair that would explain why the guy at the beginning of the trailer was only playing with the controller instead of the controller screen with the t.v. Right. I don't think it's a problem to I don't think I can play this in public like on muni and stuff like that like in public transit not that they don't think so if I take out train like some other rich folks do then yeah I can play on Caltrain right like not on not on like muni no. I mean this is this is going to revolutionize gaming rez the future of gaming is a portable consul that can do serious graphics and everything like that great but like it's still kind of being so it's an easy Grabble thing that's true I mean well I was going to say that I think this is the predecessor to I would bet good money that in 10 years next council will be kind of similar but it will be like a scroll because flexible screens have already been developed and people are trying to implement them right so you just have like a thin controller and then you just take you there and you just pull it apart and that's your screen I bet that's that would be pretty amazing Yeah and you just roll it up put in your bag yeah get on your way exactly I mean I I was also very excited just the notion of the each side having a sort of standalone controller like both of both of the sides could just be a control you take off and do right to play or write that would that to me was. Unheard of anything like that and linking your switches together to play together at any location and then also playing in your car easy method to play your car right that is the holy grail for our generation because there were things that were released like giant heavy backpack that you plug into the cigarette like yeah they were massive and you had like strapped like 30 straps at the back of the cars I remember inside it was it was exhausting there's a good there like a tiny little c.r.t. In the back I get like but now we actually might just have a thin tablet with these tiny little controllers and you can just play oh my God it's going to be so good and then with still driving cars that's what that's what I was going to say is that we're going to be in an age where you don't need to worry about driving anymore and yeah so of course you just pull out your switch and get ready you know I'm going to be fully entertained every waking moment yeah it could be great. I want that future now yet some may say years really who cares about skier and what it's like portable sky rim is that that's never happened right right I don't think there's there's like an I o. S. Or Android right. I mean like porting games like that like serious 3rd party AAA titles Yeah where people can just play it at the airport basically is what the trailers but like safe public spaces. I mean it's going to be great yeah and then I also saw a really cool concept on the sub read it shout out to our Nintendo and x. And then our Nintendo which made the new you know very bad immediately I got to get on that yeah but someone drew like some ideas for like because since you can have interchangeable sigh controllers someone was like What if you just like me like a like a gun trigger controller fully resume or like a like a camera focus thing for like Pokemon go that's true or go right but you could literally just make any peripheral that would just hook onto the side you know to be golden You know and a fishing one maybe with like a little like real like like I mean I don't say that bass fishing you could bring it back yeah man the Virtual Console is going to be pop and yeah and like they have all this 3rd party support So this is going to change the game and they also named it something that is easy to understand yeah because people still today do not understand it that we. Are always frustrated me and like Nintendo has been pretty notorious for naming things badly Yeah like they had 3 d.s. But then they had the 3 d.s. Excel and then they had the new Nintendo 3 d.s. L l right and then a new Nintendo 3 d.s. Standard right. It feels like a Genesis suggests where that rather than just making something new just Ok you put the 32 x. In and then you're going to put like the power base on the bottom of the sega cd on this and then then you have this monstrosity that literally will draw more power than the entire house it is that is the Nintendo name of consuls Yeah exactly cod. Where you are so you Dennis is kind of I was actually so I'm I'm a big Masonic kid Ok I'm from the b. I mean I was bred Mario don't get me wrong I've played many a Mario game I was describing Donkey Kong and my preferred games but yeah I definitely grew up and it's funny I always think about how that was totally random in this. Scope of you know your parents had no concept of what games are like or what franchises are on which system or anything I mean I think they knew Mario but otherwise they were like Ok We're going to get you this and by doing that they sort of pigeonholed me and made me a certain kind of kid certain kind of adult now that has this in the stars or for a system that you know clearly was I mean it was it was great but the inferior I think in terms of the 2nd was like a weird I mean so I did a report about the Dreamcast in high school and like I really I really had a fondness for the being cast every game I played on with a friend was always fun but like the what I learned about the Dreamcast and how revolutionary it was it was different to those consul that was ahead of its time Oh yeah 128 bit. Like really revolutionary games a little portable that came within sight like that rightly they didn't have the technology or the development to back it up right and so that's why it fell apart but like they could have I remember ranting about this once to a girl in a lift nice because I was drunk. And like I don't know how the conversation I think we just drove past it's like a billboard and that yeah and also I was like I feel like a super under pressure and she was like it's really really you're telling me this and like wind she goes my dad found it said you know yeah I do remember the founders name but I basically gushed about to the daughter of the man who found. What you do mean in the because you know Sega has this history of like service games it goes back into like the fifty's right now. That is amazing yeah or yeah I mean like I was like pretty surprised to be fair like I mean she was Japanese company I really should've got more detail here but I was too drunk I mean now it is I mean it's so it started as a an American company Ok cool then eventually is bought out by a Japanese company so that her story checks out yeah yeah yeah I mean she could've just said that but do weird thing to say. I didn't care what video game she wasn't really interested but then she got kind of interested when I mentioned Yeah like started talking my 2nd something about and so that was we're not yes yes I am. I'm you know I don't go so far into sonic Fand many sonic fans do it for it sort of has a bad rap of being a sonic film about a. Really well adjusted I do I do appreciate that literally literally I bet you can even put the hedgehog into Google I mean there will be a result of the hedgehog there is really I think it just speaks to the influence Sonic the Hedgehog has had I will I will say my name is made up my mom made up my name so I'm the only termite that exists so I means you made it yes. Yes if you find that it was. But yeah my personal favorite is cold steel the hedgehog. I don't think it was my favorite means I don't even know it could be fake but like for 10 found it and they started like voicing the Hedgehog and they also like. They also like made a 3 d. Trailer for him let's see it is amazing Yeah and so it was just like some kid like deviant art like recolor of Sonic and like his his. His category. Nothing personnel kid doesn't have a so personal. And it's the it's the best thing and you can see right here like I mean this is almost too perfect so it could be fake but like I love like he has like dislikes like this kid Kevin at his school he keeps showing everyone is deep in r. And stuff like that. It's a wonderful thing I recommend to everyone still to copyright blood under school Skoal underscore boy with an eye for. It makes me feel a little less embarrassed about my high school like tag the right you know that I that I just I just focused on like big cat because I was going to big cats for no reason Ok so I had like Tiger and panther in my emails and user names and then and then I was like what and now I have the word butts and all these names nice 27 year old just just about to say did you like big the cat I truly did actually so here's the thing even though I didn't get into a sonnet I think as much as you did I think I always anything that I consume I love like cool by brick character design Ok and I think the sonic franchise did that really well and so I love I love the detective group with the alligator and the Bee and chaotic and the chaotic as I thought they were called. And then yeah big the cat is little frog and like and then like you know all the other random characters that they keep creating and like I did all of this knowing all this is that like yeah I was a big knuckles fan knuckles my boy knuckles the yet to be fair I don't know why in retrospect. Because like personality wise I think I am more of a tails or a sonic Yeah but for somebody when I was a kid I was like knuckles is the really unique one way was aspirational you wanted to have his sort of care at its. There's a guy online I wish I knew his name I forget he's accomplished Raider and he's been doing like this like kind of fan creation where he creates a human version. On a character and he's a pretty on point I think I've seen this yeah and he's a black comic book artist and so he like he'll there's a lot of black comic books and like the knuckles is black and everything that he makes sure that all these characters are people of color right and like he really fleshed out the story and it really shows you how much people care about sonic even now yeah and all they have to do is put out a good Sonic game again project 2017 it's come and also they're doing I don't know if you saw it mania it's a new platform or Sonic in the 16 bit style brand new coming out March I really have the special edition preorder fantastic Ok so now I'm thinking I'm trying to remember if I promised a sonic episode anyone but I haven't then I think I need to have you on so excited yeah god a king in my chair and if anyone asked I'm pretty sure no one asked but we'll see if they have the money remember so we'll see no pressure cool because the feeling we have a lot to talk about. Is I was about to get. Another blue haired individual so we were bringing it back so I could here's what I'll say but I showed up in brawl I didn't know who he was I have to have a love hate relationship with him because once again from a character design perspective I liked who he was because he was different from Arthur and Roy character and he was one of he was still a heavy he operated like a heavy freight he was faster and he still acted like he was lighter and visibly He was smaller than all the other heavy characters right so he was like he was a cool enemy character he was a he was a good those guys that like kind of built but then also absurdly strong for how slight he is you know that whole enemy troop. And super emotional super notional really cares about his friends. We're going to dance around that. And I'm not going to say it but so my hate comes from the fact that like I have this friend who's always been absurdly amazing at gaming no matter how little experience he has with the game he'll just start it and then he. Destroy you. And so he decided that I couldn't even in character and as it turns out is the bane of Diddy and brawl Oh like Ike is the perfect counter to Diddy he's so basically I would fight my friend we would we would play we would have matches that would last like like 20 minutes because like I would spend like 5 full minutes chipping away at him jumping around like fighting and fighting and getting into like 60 percent and I'm still at 0 right and then he'll do like 2 swipes of his sword and I 60 is right I was absurdly strong and and we found because we'd always play on battlefield Ikes final smash from 0 percent would kill Diddy Oh wow yeah it was rough because he was so light and brawl Yeah and so I would I would just have like a pop let it rages. In my mind because I was like I don't want to blame character choice right but I feel like if you put anyone else I'd be winning a little more. So I remember going to like local tournaments and like little little wrinkling conventions Yeah and like I'd be doing great and then I want to be like I'm going to use I can I'm like here we go here we go. But I like them as a person what you like Ike. And. You play I couldn't brawl I didn't I don't I have sort of you know I'm a peek at you player through and through and so I very rarely would deviate if I do random and I got him and I would of course play through but it was yeah I sort of stayed away especially sword characters I was sort of just like I think that came from because I I love 64 and I always hated playing as link so link link style was always you know a little bit more close quarters you couldn't you didn't have the same speed or anything and so I felt like I never could quite get the style that I like to play with any of the sword fighting characters so when when I played. I could couple times and and this goes also for rule those other ones Yeah I just kind of fell into that same feeling like Oh I'm not getting not getting the hits I want I don't have the speedo on interesting and you know it's a different kind of attack style right because I couldn't I was so used to sort of getting in there getting my hits every now and again and then avoiding it getting in there and getting hit sounds like sort of like a did the right way you're describing it and yet so the sword guys I would always if I missed the animation went on too long and then I was sure yeah he's a high risk kind of guy and I mean to be fair like playing with my my friend Jason really really honed my banana game because like I had to use both peels at all times I had to keep like one people in motion because the 2nd he did a side be I'd be able to trip him up and like that still couldn't be done that well but I could beat most other Ikes by the end of it. Because I was playing against apparently the best I can make. This guy this is the guy who I should probably send him a link to this I think you'll enjoy it yeah he's the guy who picked up magic together on a whim a few years ago he lives in Texas now Jason and he'd like plays like he plays like tournaments now and he's like he's like I mean he'll say that he's not doing that well but he's certainly doing better than I ever have in my entire life yeah and a game that I actually really liked and yeah he's destroying people and like and like he plays overwatch and he's apparently like one of the best in Jada's in the country and it's like oh it's like I was complained because we were playing together and he was like you got to just work on your game as I don't like I never played f.p.s. Is growing up let alone p.c. Based radiuses So I'm I have so much catching up to do and he was like well I don't play f.p.s. Is either and I'm like of course. Of course he's that guy just as the natural ability ridiculous theory to me repair he has been doing one on one with me and I've been improving a lot so I appreciate it but at the same time stop being so talented. And it's really it's really crap and it's. Ok so then but then the cool thing what I think is that they brought him back for for the new game and what I really loved about this is that they actually use the art from the 2nd game because he was in 2 different games you write how the radiance and patter radians he was kind of like a dorky little guy you know kind of skinny with like that with like the baggy pants and everything and then and then like between that and the new game he was like the leader of the mercenaries and he was like he was like he had essentially the same kind of strength as any other hero so he goes from like teacher dude and then he takes off the teacher and he's like ripped and he has like all this armor and once again from a character design perspective I was like that's great because he literally grew up in between the 2 smash there's going to be careful who you make fun of in high school. Actually. I mean feel free to still make fun of me because I didn't. For the most case yeah that seems to have been a lot. Actually I am I am buffered now than ever been Yeah I don't see that as a brag I say that as someone who's tried working out like 4 times in the past 6 years nothing would ever happen I would put like like 23 months into it you know if you really just try to 3 months and then you'll get addicted you'll love it and I'm like no I hate it my body hurts every day nothing's improving right but then I get like this past year I also started eating healthier unintentionally and then I started trying to work her argument again and now I'm like I have like definition and like my cousins have like seen me over video chat recently in there like you gained weight like as a comment meant yes Indian culture will you gain weight and I'm like Thanks I guess that's it. But like I mean at the same time it also has made my neck bigger and I have a very small head you're learning a lot about me but I love it I have a small skull and I'm very insecure about it and. I got my passport photo just this past weekend I just apply for my passport and. I look like a convict in my pitch because I've been waiting for 3 and a half hours and then I walked up and he was like Santa from the ball. And I was like he's not going to he'll let me smile but I'm trying way so I tried he was like Don't smile and he's like take over glasses and then he took the picture and I was like oh God I was leaning over because I was so tired oh no and so I look like a disk I mean let's let's see what it is I look like a terrorist. This is the 1st and only time will I ever say this because I don't think I do because I was about you know never traveling all that but like I am I I'm going to India in January and I'm going to get flagged at every checked out of random checks I'm sure they're going to harass wink wink Yeah and I just got this thing on circled the physic you oh yes I saw that yeah and you know there's like a little switch on the side of it I was like oh I can't take this on my flight anymore the guy like me looking like me was playing with a literal switch on a plane right. Me where I stand air marshals are in effect. So it's like such a petty thing but I'm like kind of mad that I'm going to leave my home because I was thinking maybe I'll take it in my bag right then I got my passport photo and I was like I cannot take anything threatening with me at all at all and you got to get one of those like fabric boards with the different kinds you can just like rub your hands across it was trying to build a set of. The plane. That would be the greatest development is then you literally have to ride the plane naked right and even have too much hair Yeah exactly I'm going to have like my history and everything in time for the trip but like yeah. God Ok anyway. So with that being said you do have hipster haircuts Let's talk about Ike and you know we're going to a quick break and we're going to talk about the character in the game a little more in-depth. So this is still character study will be back in a bit here is Ike's theme from the new super smash repairers. All right we're back with character study I'm still term Aryan we have Derek Lipton one of my fellow super trash Bros and studio. All right so let's talk about Ike Let's talk about Ike and how he makes us feel and what his deal is you know specifically his move sets so like you mentioned before his a moves slow super strong maddening Yes. But his moves are pretty straightforward very very different from Mark's and Roy's pretty big departure he has is like his sword What's with the sword called Ragnall Yeah I don't know if that's what. It was bequest bequeath to him from one goddess to slay another I think I was you know reading your own Ok Well good for him. Good good for. His standard be he just as that eruption thing it was it was one of a kind at the time because he just had that charge up and he would just let it go and. Because Ike Roy had something similar but it wasn't strong and then of course they brought Roy back right now Roy standard b. Is like the strongest in the game oh yeah I heard that he can actually with the full charge can kill anyone from 0 percent really Yeah but the thing of course with Roy is that it takes a 15 2nd to charge Ok so there's literally I don't because any conceivable scenario where you can actually land it unless you're playing teams and your teammate throws an enemy at you and I guess the only way I can think of is that also is it limited so I do way I understand is that you can charge it up but it's limited the hip box is limited just to his area same thing with Ok Yeah Roy can't move or anything like that. Because I think the even a stunt doesn't last that long right it even if it were because the stunt of course last longer the more damage you have than the defeats the point of having the strongest energy in the game right because if you kill someone 174 with a move that could have killed them from 0 like. I think they just put it in as a joke honest. But. Pretty usable he can use it in the air and so I guess he's descending and rightly so it's a nice change up people use it as. That I mean that's that's basically it. Says right here you can me or smash with it if you time it just right that's cool beautiful Yeah I can even imagine anyone being able to do that but good for them. And then of course like his customs are just basically when version or the bigger Yes Yeah when we were all hyped about custom it was. Barely use them now I want to use them again I want to get more in a smash again overwatch is taking over my life yeah. It seems like it has that effect on people I really can just take into that world now maybe that's what will do you want to finish it's natural just do an overwatch cast Oh yeah that was really fun oh wait our producer just left. Doing overwash Oh after this they go Oh he's telling us to go ahead this is going to be digitally recorded for futures sake I was a witness yes. So he and you do legal stuff yeah you can you're like I get I am a licensed attorney in the state of California look at that look at that. Getting my ducks in a row. But the one thing I notice about his moves that is yeah it's it seems more tailored to I guess close play with you get these big smashes in like you're saying you know right right somebody be able to get you up to 60 in 2 hits kind of thing and yeah not that I was playing I the way that I'm sure a master i Player would be playing earlier today and just got a sense of his moves set and it's really yeah I could sort of catching people when they're you know coming out of a roll or right or edge guarding is saying and getting those big hits. And charging if you can I mean the charge ones even like a half or a 3rd charge I feel like you still got pretty good damage on someone right Ray I mean like Smash it at the pro level is all about punishing the stakes but like I would argue that Ike at an amateur level is still all about punishing Mr yes because you. Really good people otherwise Have you ever played a. Cademy know there's a point to the story. So it was it was in my opinion probably the best. Game in the story center some people might disagree with me but the point is that you could customize your character and you Ok your lightsabers and the lightsaber style that you use I mean it's like a light medium and heavy and so I of course use light and I used to separate lifesavers I was like a flurry like you know I mean I play all of my games the same as I say but there was the heavy stuff Ok and so that one was like a really long wind up and while you're doing it people could cut you down no problem and so but this was also one of the 1st games really open up like online play Ok so they have like giant servers where people just run around and they kill each other and it was crazy it was like a melee Yeah it was one of the 1st times I've ever played online games it was like so fascinating and there were somewhat different formats and there was one where it was just basically a pit where you'd have you line up on one side or the other and then you just jump in and you do one on one death matches and you just go back to the back of the line and then I found one game where it was just one person on one side and then everyone else on the other and they had formatted it so that it was one versus 200 and so I jump and I was like Who is this guy and it's a little job. Because you could be. With an orange light saver in the heavy style and he would be like 1st he was doing one on one that he was ruining people watching I was like This is crazy and then he would take on 2 people and like so he was like you'll be like 2 people with whom I think each with the fast wow and then he'd still be cutting down people left and right that is he would dodge so perfectly that he would just cut you down with one hit that is amazing crazy human me so basically that's like really and then the other the other element of like that I hadn't quite been able to master it but his downby is the sort of reflect. That seem like I mean especially if you were a very well seasoned player you could really use that to turn the tables like you say in making punishing mistakes you know somebody does not account for that and you catch them off guard seems like you can really turn the table. I think I was just not using it enough especially when I was you know Yoshi's beat me up on my head maybe I can sneak in a downbeat just sort of give some space right I mean big baiting them into hitting you is like the trickiest part of a counter play like I learned that method with a little mac Ok little magazine my characters but like little boxes super dangerous because he leans back and then he goes forward so he actually moved so you could die by countering right like Ike like like the other fire in the character he counters by still right so it's just he counters and he hits you and then of course it's like so it hurts or yeah. I mean yeah he's pretty great. With that counter and it's a great thing to do in midair because Ike Ike is very vulnerable in midair because he's still kind of a very heavy character so it's great to use as you're just falling Yeah I definitely killed myself a couple times with his side be there yeah yeah so that's I didn't realize that I would not be able to then do anything. The infamous I'd be yes you. I've had so many matches especially in the brawl times were like. You know charge of a side be I mean just be standing there yeah because I had thrown a banana peel in between us sitting on one side anything on the other and like there been little moments where whoever is playing I just gets mad and decides to wait until the banana peel disappears Yeah and then and then they then they charge at me but by then I know when they're going to attack right because they're not going away any longer they're so frustrated. So but like I mean a lot of people don't realize that and like people would use the side be like very close quarters to catch you off guard and then of course Jason. He figured this out almost immediately but this is something you can do with a side be where if you sight be in and do it perfectly you can chain that into his he has just his neutral gun so he then he does 3 more hits on you that's nice and yeah it's maddening and here's the tragedy I've still never never been able to quite figure it out yeah I only do an accident yeah I don't know why I can't do it you know I'm sure it takes some time you get fast reaction. But it's a cool move and you can hold it literally forever but you know at the same time he's very vulnerable from the back top so. You know risk and reward Yeah official pretty simple just just kind of like a sword's up follows after it somehow and then catches on to lead Usually it's really tricky to recover like people use his site be right in from the side and then they they hopefully have enough space where they can be to the ledge Yes but there's really no other way to the perfectly vertical and so it's a really hard thing to recover with and I take advantage of that a lot yes I got really good at like throwing banana peels out and I was trying to be from the side yeah and interrupting them that's perfect Yeah yeah I actually I did notice that occasionally I could get a pretty good hit I don't know if any pro would use this but if you use is special just on the feel that catch the person you'll take them with you to. Way so similar to my thinking of who has a similar attack like that. Will new balancer can do it maybe that's sort of where I'm thinking oh yes centrally an attack that will I keep you with or I guess I sort of like the. Meteor blade or something not the right term or Kirby attack or sort of has a similar get him on the up get him on the down a straight shooter in a way so I could easily if you catch people that way you could you could do some pretty good damage I think you usually get like 30 on that oh yeah yeah it's a good one. I can just see. And then of course there's great ether Yeah phrase that I've heard so many times in my life. Where we share a 3rd. I think it's supposed to be like that a around the nation. Encyclopedia Yeah that's not a bad word just. Sounds like a sensible way but it's not just the grammar term. Neither is the f.c.c. You know. But yeah I mean it's very simple what was maddening about him brawl I don't think it's quite like that in the new one is that it had a huge radius of effect Ok I would remember sometimes I would just start sprinting away from Jason of course I get strong enough to get this match ball in like 2 hits right and I would be like scampering and trying to get it and like then he would he would he would just start immediately because I he would be able to give me from like one side of the stage to middle of the state right it was such an absurd radius and then once you get hit then you're in it and then if you're Diddy you're dead right so yeah I really really hated being subjected to that I think the nerve to a little bit in the new game but they never like most finals matches and you know right right you know. Yeah that's very similar I think cloud has a similar kind of smash the same way with the with the radius and if you catch them right them up to the sky and make them pay Yeah I mean this is a New been kind of like almost struggling with on the show is that we do try to think of final smashes for characters and like it really is always like almost the same formula do you like something like the earth Samas or snakes or something like Captain Falcons where it's just a pure cinematic. Or the earth like it's like a transformation like Yoshi or Diddy or whatever yeah and so the you know finals matches are fun and I think they're important of the game but they get kind of. So . I don't know the solution is Honestly I don't know if I'm creative enough to think of like a brand new kind of final smash we thought of some interesting ideas Jacob definitely had a good few on the show but like. I was trying to think of so it would raise a lot of things that were back part that we usually have near the end of the episode yet what would you change about Ike's final smash or would you give him anything different. I think the you know his his explosion like we're talking about the eruption right I think that's something they probably can play with a little bit more. Then you have something that maybe you know goes into a cinematic where if you catch somebody and there's this is crazy strike the sword into the ground fire it just goes crazy everywhere and right that could be could be good it could also just be you know there's not I guess this is maybe the point of some of the final semester there they're very elaborate and so but some of them are very simple you know sort of you hit them and that's right it could be just sort of an exaggerated version of the eruption yeah where you just hit a minute it's just the craziest eruption you just see the guys fly off the side of the screen Right right yeah I was thinking about that as well like I feel like I would give I could transformation. Where he would just basically buff up into like some sort of reference to one of his moves to get but like I think my issue with transformation final smash is that they got nerf pretty hard in the new game so maybe like one where the movie set itself was changed like Mike brought out a whole new set of sword moves but that would be so much programming so that they wouldn't do that maybe maybe he just gets really sad when his dad dies next to him just right you have to take the family forward. And then his sadness is just overpowers the other care you caught. Me too much for me even at my old age but in terms of items. From the fire and the French are those thing about this we didn't I might have missed and mention this on Martin Roy's episode but like I think bringing in like legendary weapons from the character to be kind of cool like you know on par with like the or club or the hammer or anything like that like something really deadly that people should be scared of it has a pretty limited use that would be cool to introduce into the game just fire all my them because the thing is that we complain about this on the show a lot there are too many characters in Smash I would say more than I would have expected Yeah you know Warren really upset me yeah because in my in my heart of hearts I believe Koren to be the reason why Dixie Kong is in the game that's and that's my belief because I heard that she was deathly a close 2nd a band. And she would have been amazing Yeah and Jordan promised me that they would play the game yeah if Dixie con was revealed we dress it was Diddy and Dixie less all the way in and nothing nothing I still can play my part that's that's rough Yeah that's Ok maybe next time. But. Finds him he's really good at modeling right. But yeah I mean yeah I don't know I can't think of anything else to do this real quick since I've basically decided in the break that you're coming on the Sonic episode you know if we have another guest. So excluding sonic Yeah what else would you like to see and smash items characters sister trophies final smashes whatever you know I think wonder if you could do a sort of maybe an assist trophy or something something where you'd get in the sister of a of like a water son and then and then you would like the game style would just kind of like switch to one of his games so I think it would be great I mean like sort of got the idea because there's a there's a Gameboy inspired. Homebrew version of smash on the Internet it's called like like Game Boy smash or something something like that and it's you play it on your computer but it is in that sort of monochrome green style and you play it it's all 2 d. And all that so I wonder if you could do I mean maybe you'd be asking too much of the game but like you get the sister of switches like the entire layouts or like even the appearance of the game it's like the super pixelate and it's not just like Blur and just literally becomes like a 2 d. Game and and that I mean that would really I mean you have to if you played it for a minute in that style you didn't really have to change your entire approach maybe where writer is sort of different you know like different parts of the environment will react differently and want to want to saddle over another want to yeah yeah yeah we great it's a great idea thank you yeah yeah I always like those kind of elements of the game like I really thought it was great when you just start pong because that's me when I was like I mean I think I was influenced by I don't know if you've ever seen the clueless gamer bit that Conan O'Brien does Oh sure yeah he plays in the pong starts and yes starts riff and I get funny and I was like oh no I think that's a great that's just such a funny thing it's such a random thing and so anything that sort of affects the environment for me is really I would love to see more of that yeah I totally agree that's a great idea. So we're nearing the end of. Today it was a pleasure having you on Barry thank you so much around so let's talk about promotion real quick on Twitter you are Derek Lipton cool and then of course everyone as I mentioned earlier we have the drunk half along tomorrow night so that'll be the 26th Yeah I think that's right yeah yeah so this will be a piano fight in the city that's free to just come and hang out with us you do the pay a little money to play but because there's a cash prize at the end so you gotta get in there these are hilarious games they are everybody can play them you don't have to have any particular video. Skill or anything yeah have a wonderful time with a drink in your hand is one of the most fun things they do every month like it's so great and I would love to see any of you there oh I don't think I just wrote quick note on I think outside guys I got the referee shirt I got the referee West and I got a penalty flag Oh my god the throw if anybody has not drinking when this was that makes my day that's the best thing. That's going to be great so tomorrow is going to be awesome. And then we have super trash Bros The super fast brothers night $64.00 night Monday oh no no no you meant a few months from now so that will be the 7th Oh yes so that oh yes yes the 7 of us also I'll be I'll be there and we'll be there sort of events you can just up on by that's was the bar you can compete to win more alcohol yeah it's super fun and we also stream on twitch on Twitch the T.V.'s last super trash Bros watches on Twitch We'd love to have you join and hang out with us. 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