Whether its on the phone calls or leaks pertaining to any investigation into any russian activities in the United States or the flynn investigation. So, yes, there is a point. At the same time, two things concern me. The first is, that he turned these leaks, this problem with leaks, into an attack on his enemies. Hes now describing the press in terms that we have never heard, not since nixon and probably not even in terms that nixon would subscribe to. That is deeply concerning that hes essentially using this to go after his enemies. But more broadly than that, we cannot lose sight of what is at stake here. Russia is leading a movement around the world to spread autocracy and authoritarianism. Theyre interfering, obviously in our elections, and in the elections here in europe. Theres deep concern about russias new bell kos bellicosity. They need a Strong America to push back. They need to be reassured of that. When the president focuses on a fight with the press or investigating leaks, but doesnt seem committed to standing up to what russia is doing at home and around the world, that is a profound concern. Is it your sense that there are elements of the Intelligence Community that are out to get the president . I mean, he clearly thinks so. No, i dont have that understanding at all. The Intelligence Community is very professional. They do their jobs well. Theyre the best intelligence gatherers in the world. Theyre dedicated, patriotic americans. Theyll work with any president. They want to have a Good Relationship with every president. And i think these broadsides against the Intelligence Community are deeply counterproductive. They hurt morale and make it difficult for our frankly, our agents to do their jobs, our offices to do their jobs to get out and recruit people around the world because theyre asking people to put their lives on the line and how can they do that if they dont believe the president of the United States is going to value the work product that comes out of those risks . You have called for general flynn to testify before congress. What do you want to ask him . Well, i would like to ask whether the conversation he had with the Russian Ambassador was a oneoff conversation or were their others . Who instructed him to have those conversations . Whether he debriefed people in the administration after those conversations . Essentially, who was aware he had reported falsely to the Vice President and the Vice President in turn had misled the American People . I think central to the president s calling for leak investigation is the president didnt want to fire mike flynn. But when the press exposed that falsehood, he felt compelled to do so. Because the president knew weeks ago and weeks before flynn was let go that he had misled the Vice President and misled the country in turn. The president was okay with that. It was only when it was disclosed that he had a problem. Thats what hes upset about. That makes this different in kind than some of the other leak investigations we have had where we have investigated people who leaked secrets that undermined our country. Because they gave up valuable sources of information. This is not in that category. This is the category of wrong doing that was exposed. Youre in munich. Youre there for senator mccains remarkable speech where he suggested that the west, itself, may be at risk. What was the reaction of the european allies . To what mccain had to say . I read his speech. We were in flight at the time he gave it. It was very powerful. But i can tell you the reaction to the Vice President s speech because i was there for that. I have to say it was very subdued. Theres a lot of concern here about just who speaks for the administration. And certainly, even when things when the Vice President or others say the right things, they wonder, does the president stand behind this . I wish the Vice President had given the kind of speech that john mccain gave. Because i think that would have done a lot to reassure all of the nato members, european allies, and others that are here today. Wait a minute. Vice president pence said quite clearly in that speech that the United States stands with nato. Youre saying that people didnt buy it . And nikki haley said we dont recognize russias annexation of crimea. But that begs the question, is the Vice President or nikki haley really speaking for the president . I think certainly here at the conference, when mike sense said, we want nato members to pay up, they knew in that case he was speaking for the president. But when he talked about american commitment to nato, the commitment to europe, i think there is still profound questions about whether in those cases hes speaking for the president or himself. I want to ask you the reaction to the president calling the news media, quote, the enemies of the American People. Well, i didnt think i could be shocked anymore by this president. I have to say, of all the things he has said since he became president , or since the election, this, to me, was the most devastating. And the most alarming. That he essentially views the first amendment, as an enemy of the people. This is something that you hear tin pot dictators say when they want to control all of the information. Its not something you have ever heard a president of the United States say. Not even nixon went there. It is deeply concerning. I hope it is repudiated by people from both parties. Because this not america. Well, as you know, senator mccain said that, warned theres this flirting with authoritarianism in the United States. Said that dictators, quote, get started by suppressing free press. I gather you dont think that is hyperbolic. You think there is a risk of that actually here in the United States . I do think there is a risk of that. I think john mccain is exactly right. I think what were confronting now is a new war of ideas. Its not communism versus capitalism. Thats a threat that here in europe they feel acutely. They have seen countries interfered with, bombarded by cyberattacks. But russian propaganda. Indeed, by russian troops. The United States, the admiration for putin, for the architect of that has many subscribers. In part, the president admires that. So there is a risk. John mccain is exactly right and the message he delivered here is exactly the message America Needs to send to europe. 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