coming out of the 2008 election. the economic crisis then was the number one priority. covid and how it impacts the economy, the number one priority right now. what are the two or three things joe biden needs to do? >> well, first of all i think we made a mistake with this blunt instrument of the lockdown. you do the things that everybody can engage in. masks, hand washing, social distance. apply the testing and the tracing in targeted areas, get medical supplies to poor communities, people of color and the elderly so you can contain it in that way. in the other piece of this, the first part of the stimulus is about creating a floor so the economy doesn't sink anymore. you can't get an economy growing if states and companies are laying people off. the second piece, what are the things we have to do to rebuild? mainly on infrastructure, and there's going to be people like jcpenney and other retail, those jobs are not coming back. give them the tools, six months you will become a computer coder, we'll pay for it and millions of people will sign up for it. they're not going back to parts of the retail economy and we need to give them a lifetime to