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To coast am. J. Michael Straczynski I'm going to work very hard to not get all fanboy on you. No need to and I'd say by the way I understand really talking for almost 3 hours and me talking on the radio for 3 hours a terrible thing to do with your list. All night people they don't deserve this it's not and you know what this is why this is so perfect because you can ask anybody I'm a really crappy Interviewer So but what I do love to do is I love conversation so that's it tends to work out really well for 3 horses because if I had to just rely on that sort of bad mitten like q. And a we we. Really but I am so fascinated by your book I've read every page . I had no I had no way to expect what I was about to read I mean I saw it senior credit right and I mean I knew kind of who you were but I've never seen you interviewed on Entertainment Tonight I've never seen you on The Tonight Show I had absolutely no idea what I was getting myself into when I started to read becoming Superman. That's not uncommon that because Crossley I kept my crystal back on very quiet and very sinister at the very secret and when you grow up under not the best circumstances you learn that whatever happens in the house stays in the house and you become very insular and for me to go out and do a lot of personal interviews a lot come up at a time that was a really ready to express a lot of that stuff so knowing that virtually none of the folks who have been to call upon my work for the last 40 years had any idea about any of this and the shock factors are quite substantial I would imagine. I would say and this is you know I know a little bit about alcoholic dysfunction not I didn't grow up with it myself in fact if I were to write my memoir it would be compared to yours becoming Superman mine would have to be becoming bizarro Superman because our lives are so I mean I grew up in this totally white bread suburban fairy. Sort of Protestant household there wasn't a lot. I mean it's like but we met at the same time we had some interesting parallels and so I was really tracking with your story but I do know from what my father and experience growing up and not others I love went through is that growing up in alcoholic dysfunction means learning not to be a truth teller learning to maintain a convenient facades if nothing else just for survival. Yeah and you learn that every question is a trick question and you are trained into silence. And you're correct not a truth teller in the sense that you don't tell what's happening rights is only go to the lying part of it but when someone says How are things at home you learn to say everything is just fine and are what helped me to maintain that that secrecy was removed every 68 months so I mean how we stayed in one place for a long period of time I think certain things would eventually have come out with a good issue of school in this bruise or what have you who will be to notice things that we are moving around all the time it's really hard to to number one you know have teachers or friends who will see things and 2nd to trust anyone to go to anyone there's no one who you can rely on and say that person I can trust him would tell him what's going on when you're always on the move. But even within the family structure there's not a lot of truth telling and I were you're not even with your siblings your extended family there it's there's a lot of secrets going on and you were a tune from an early age to try to figure out your father's secrets the secrets of your grandmother your own mom I mean there was just there was just on all these different levels he Christine was being maintained and the real information. Was so toxic that you chose like you you have to make a decision Do I really want to know what's behind that curtain or am I going to be happy with the relatively you know the the blissful ignorance. Exactly and I was in the course of writing this book I was amazed at the extent to which my sister and I for instance still have not talked about a lot of the thought that went on we were in the middle of it we would never talk about was one of those things that was there and you never discussed it and you're correct my family it was all about different layers of secrets and I think the writing impulse in me must cut in early because I wanted to find out what those secrets were and. Well you're right or what it was wrong was after is what the end of the story where is this going and I was always aware that there were certain things that were whispered about or held back or no one talk about where you can stick a part of a conversation here are the conversation there and I think there's something going on and I just I needed to know it was a lot easier to to not know these things than to sort of go along with the right but. I always try to go in the opposite direction what I should have been going on which is why when I was still relatively young. I realized that I couldn't tell my father because laws right but what I could Vini and laws it's. Just unjust laws. Are in the law. So for some. Reason negate the evil he brought into the world so he was a smoker as I wouldn't smoke he was a drinker I wouldn't drink he was a facade as it would be all the same Have you been a better person it would have been a worse one. Thing that goes along with asking the question of why is this happening where is this come from and do I like where this is going and I don't like what this is going to it's up to me to make a conscious choice not to fall in those same steps. So it is we have a tragedy today another shooting in yeah and it's you know 20 people dead 26 people I think injured still waiting for more details but based on what we know so far is the shooter is a self-proclaimed or at least. Posturing as a white nationalist and he's he is he wants to he'd rather kill than compromise and he sees a threat to white people and so Allegedly this is what led him to take up arms and kill innocents not a Wal-Mart but for a lot of people this notion of the the rise of the the far right killer the f.b.i. Has been warning about for many years the neo nazi The radicalized neo nazis that's all theory you grew up with a man who was not a neo nazi he was an o. G. He was in a regional Nazi and you you you were you were still kind of piecing that together. Well into when he were a teenager not even quite understanding the depth of his commitment to that cause even though he was in America. Yes he had been stuck in. Russia and Poland during the 2nd World War as a teenager and was taken in by all of my grandmother to live with German soldiers and he fell in love with the whole Nazi philosophy he was born as a lot of people not born but he learned and acquired a sense of resentment and entitlement and the Nazi philosophy gave them something to dial into to write it with a scapegoat provide them with something to do those are the ones responsible go over and hurt them and that will make things better somehow make us feel better anyways. Precisely and. This whole idea of scapegoating is very important in that environment and I'd lie knew that he you know I've been there I know that there are photographs of him on the wall yet swastikas I never really knew the extent of that until much much later. It was all kind of covered up and the extent to which he had participated in terrible things was something I only discovered much much much much later. Whether time right now. When there's a lot of free floating anger out there a lot of preflighting resentment a lot of scapegoating going on and the problem is we have no one appealing to the better and tools of our nature and I think that when a society is undergoing you know change or there's there's strife you need someone to point to the horizon and say there's a better place they'll all get together and go over there empathy is one of the key ingredients of civilization and engine past you would have your family your tribe and that was you had at the for that and the tribe across the river they were the enemy they were the back and yet you meet them after a while and they're not so bad and they don't I would have empathy for them and now it's a larger group of that if I am on the other side I'm out they're the enemy but then as empathy spread the spread as empathy retract to what they should retract the sort of the root of social order to get the collapse. Well put and I think this is in context of your own family too lack of empathy is certainly your driving force of your of your abusive father who. I can't even go into all I can't even begin I wasn't I was actually given even mentioning it until the tragedy even today and I thought well this is this is relevant but the the the the he as a bully as a typical bully every he punch down he was always punching down you your sisters your mom and and then he would run he would cut and run from anybody who could hold him accountable for his decisions or for anything that he had ever done and it when he cheated people and so that shaped you in that interesting way that we I was actually talking about this last night with the one of the members of the the Manson family. Who was on she left she was sort of on the outs with Charlie before the killings so she didn't participate in that and then she ended up testifying against him but. We talked about the fact that she was craving struck she was a hippie child craving structure her parents were hippies and she wanted structure we always seem to rebel against the generation that comes before us in some way and your rebellion was to be successful and authentic and a clear thinker and kind and to have empathy even though you weren't being trained that way at home which is one of the major triumphs of your life I think what will thank you and you actually write I think when you are bullied or put upon yourself when someone hits down you know there's a natural impulse to hit the next person which is where you know the cycle will be islands continues and I would hear so many times my father or others saying this is just the way I am you know I have no choice wrong than what you say you don't have a choice you made a choice right and and so for me I've said I'm going to choose a different way and you're right there is a certain amount of rebellion in certain families. Much of the math on the quote counts as an ordinary family but in general when you grow up you either walk with the river or against the river and walking against the river is making your own choices saying. I understand what the circumstances are but I'm going to choose differently walking with the river where the tide is I'm not going to hide it this is what it is I'm just going to I was hurt I'm going to hurt somebody else and that's why I think that the importance of choice enters the equation you can choose differently and that's where the core of my book is to say that you know you you can choose differently or not wrap my head like a fly in amber to find forever by what that moment what happened to you you can't she was there really. Just to be clear to the Di and lake the story we're talking about her family her real family what were were hippies and they kicked her out at 14 so actually the Manson family was structure they wanted her right and they gave her a place which is like the ends but she really wanted all along was to go back to high school and to be a normal kid in a lot of ways and it's really it's a very interesting story I was reading I was finishing reading hers while I'm reading yours and I was seeing some things in there that I that I perhaps I was seeing a connection with I also don't have I mean I guess I can't use I bleached because I didn't see it I'm having a hard time getting the image out of my head of your grandmother. Getting in the shower with you and that's a whole nother level of the dysfunction in the family of your grandmother and then being busted with your grandmother I mean help me I mean how did you how did that how do you even begin you write about it fairly rationally but I think a lot of people that would be the for you if you did if they ended up with as a drug addict everybody would at least understand why well I think what may have helped me in that case was that I was profoundly naive and stupid I often didn't understand what was going on what my grandmother got in the shower and started because you think she should have been touching right I didn't quite understand what was going on knew it wasn't right and if I'm comfortable. Well so young enough to have a time when there was a lot of talk about sexuality that I had access to to really know what was going on in my father came in and blew his stack and my mom's pulling me out and I hear him say to her she's trying to do to him what she did to me I always remember the sentence by didn't really understand what that meant until years later as I began to learn more of what that was about and learned that she had in fact married her uncle her brother her father's brother that I learned she had a certain affinity for certain things as he says to us but this is where and get it and your point earlier I definitely agree I think the mass something cult survive like providing structure they're all about. The command of the guy in charge is that of a cult where the main person says do whatever you want to stick with the rules every religion is a dietary habits funeral habits and we're going to have to wear you know right across the board. Control and control require structure but you know there's So I mean I I understand your position on religion and I enjoyed your conversations about it and by the way I haven't seen because my baby started coming along I started it was a father right around when Babylon 5 started so I just was you know life was crazy back then but I did see many episodes and I particularly enjoyed when you would touch on religious themes I think you handled the subject really well but you know I could at least understand and I think in the great history of things when you're looking at rules that bind to community together when the margin of between life and death is very small and you're in the desert and if it if it takes rules to keep everybody on the same page because then the majority of people will survive that makes sense but it's it is it is bizarre it in a world of so much freedom that people will then cleave to somebody coming along and tell him to can't do this you can't do that you can't do this stand up sit down that is when that's the To me that's the antithesis of of a good religion but I digress Ok. So I'm sure they'd be livid that too much too much freedom too much choice could be terrifying for some people you don't know which way to go and they're great at making the wrong choice of the wrong decision and therefore having someone in a position of power and authority charismatic saying I want you to use all your life in a structured thing you left home and now you're at the sampler platter and you know what I have let me guide you let me take the burden of that. Choice off of you and streamline your life and be very well and it's always been said that that you know fundamentalism is a response to to the to the options in the choices that we have in a modern mechanized world and that some people just they want that they want to very you know reduce it down to the smallest levels of things that I have to know about because otherwise it's just too much work and you went through that a little bit obviously when your experiment with communal living in a religious organization kind of kind of flamed out which I thought was I love tell you wrote about it I thought it was very entertaining but I came to a partner book that I dog eared right where it just said right here you were you were talking about when you just started to have success as a writer and and that you've just gotten to like back to back checks not big ones but you got a couple little things that you had made some money on your writing and you in your wrote this mean something I thought staring at the check this is where it starts so that's really where I was originally going to start the interview it was just right there and just but it's it's I'm so glad we went back over it for that reflection about your father and and his Nazi past and it and it provides in the book an amazing surprise ending I don't want to ruin for people I mean you're as you say you know every story is working toward an end what an ending. I don't want to give away. Former alert in the ending I die in my replaying crash. Yeah. That's right and that's why you're on coast to coast am because we're talking to us but the specter of j. Michael Straczynski who is speaking to us from the from the afterlife which turns out is a lot easier to find than people but there's a number becoming Superman my journey from poverty to Hollywood with stops along the way Murder Madness mayhem movie stars slums paths and war crimes that's your hint by the way the ending of the book but let's pick it up when the career gets really go and well actually no we'll start with. The careers going relatively well for j. Michael Straczynski next on coast to coast am this is Ian Punnett. 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News and World Report took a close look at the issue of bowing out in California the researchers found that 14 percent of public high school students say they've experienced bowling or harassment because of their race ethnicity or national origin about 6 percent reported experiencing the same problems because of their actual or perceived immigrant status and 7 percent because of their religion in some ways I'm surprised that the numbers were even higher than that students who are bullied are then more likely to smoke drink and use other substances previous research has shown bullied children are more likely to develop anxiety depression considers self harm and suicide later in life there is a difference between good natured fun and bowling or harassment I hope your kids know the difference I'm Dr Sanjay Gupta helping you live a better life. Staying. Up now and audience does do about it guided bombs. Political speech big. Bullshit he's going to. 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I'm your bizarro Superman here's here's another reason why when you were in college you were the weekly humor columnist and an entertainment writer for The Daily as tech San Diego State University I was the weekly humor columnist and entertainment writer for The Daily align I at the University of Illinois you had a you had a red head walk into the newsroom with whom you had a profound all though it perhaps briefer relationship with a redhead walked into the newsroom of The Daily ally I proposed to her 10 minutes later we've been married ever since. But like all the way through the book I'm like . Whose story is more interesting I guess or the mirror image of one another my mind cracked What's the mirror of it which I Well yeah except when it comes time to being a writer which I strive for none of my stuff is ever so I mean I get published but none of my stuff ever sells and so why that's the other part of the the duality the very entertaining is that you you found right away I mean you just stayed with it you were determined to be successful as a writer you you hooked up with one of my absolute idols Norman Corwin. In college and I hate the fact that he became a mentor to you and you really very cleverly weasel your way into his will safe and stayed friends with him to the end that's just I mean that explains a lot both about who you are and why you're so successful because there are very few writers for electronic media better of the Norman Corwin on Norma It was amazing. The dialogue and words are still can't figure out he. Would read the dictionary just for fun and he would could discuss Indo-European word derivation with you for hours on end he was a real craftsman I mean people like Rod Serling and Charles Kuralt Walter Cronkite and so many others call themselves Gorman's kids who they learned to write by listening to Norman coral and that no more people don't know that name is a very unfortunate Well they should they should Google it if they don't they would probably recognize. Some of his titles perhaps and or at least his influences as you suggest I always thought I can't I try to pitch I work for a while with the with Minnesota opera in the Twin Cities and I wanted to do an opera of Norman Corwin's was a called the undecided molecule. Which is like perfect for an opera I thought it's almost a libretto as it is and and I thought it was really brilliant but nobody nobody thought that idea was that great but I thought it was really cool and I love how it's always designed for a great like one act opera. It is also it loses in his work and the melody is already there on the writing on it funnily enough when I was doing our $25.00 I had eyes yes one night Norman coral and Ray Bradbury who also one of Norman's kids. Always we had dinner beforehand and Ray had this sort of all to imbibe during the dinner. As we go on the air Ray takes the position that the country would be much better off if it was run by the wall is the Corporation for 2 hours I could not you know I'm off topic. But very funny in fact you mentioned Ray Bradbury so he. He was from Waukegan Illinois right and I used to work at a radio station in Waukegan when I was in college and I used to drive over to get to the radio station I had to drive over the bridge where there was a little there was a. Like a little not quite a gully but it was a Dell I mean it's a Dell and there was a and that's where the killer was in Dandelion Wine Oh yeah and it was just like so I mean Ray Bradbury again another genius that you get to have and Harlan Ellison and Philip k. Dick and I mean who of your idols growing up as you were as you were reading science fiction who of your idols did you never get a chance to meet that were still living by the time you got to Hollywood Oh gosh I would have loved to have met Isaac Asimov. Would love to have met the Clark I met a lot of really amazing guys Richard Matheson Harlan block every every Thanksgiving Harlan Ellison would hold a dinner and I would be there in math and Robert Bloch you know all these amazing amazing writers Bob Silverberg and me at the kids' table. You know I've been in awe at Giants and they love to talk about their work and I realized early on because the hardest thing about writing is getting out of your own way and speaking naturally on the page and while I hung out with those guys that were realize it writers write the way they talk and talk the way they write it got to be rid of all the walls between them and the page may just tumble out of themselves and then on the page and when I realize that that your point of view has value that it's just talking naturally the page a lot of my own bad habits with the way I've just seen those amazing people and their work. I love this quote you were talking about Norman Corwin who had been sort of informally blacklisted generous the So Ca sions during the. McCarthy period and you write. That he said to you when he spoke of these days which was rare he said radio had been like this great horse that it carried me very far very fast and was suddenly shout shot out from under me and I can I just I can't believe that that that was the end of this amazing career he had had of producing such memorable work which is still available online and people can go listen to many of those productions that are still available and for free. Yeah it is a sort of a mini is stopped when he was at the height of this problem when he was there with the dramas you probably know this because I'm not Orson Welles' and our job was when read a happened he was asked to write a drama to commemorate it that was aired on all 3 networks at that time and and because one small rag called Red Channels said he was with pink bases prior work right stop and eventually he was he climbed out of it to the point where you work on a lust for life that. He wrote books but it never quite came back at the same level and despite that there was never a hint of bitterness in him and never any any anger that was grace that was like when enmity of spirit and I come through some hard times before meeting you know I thought you know he kicks if you will through all of that lose everything and come back with a gentle that's a spirit that that humbled me I had no right to be upset about anything. And you had your setbacks So I mean you had spent some time in as an entertainment writer you had had some you kept finding these steady gigs they were paying well and you were enjoying travel and interviewing celebrities and you were you were finding a place and and then it would seem like one thing after another sometimes you know 5 floors above you decisions were being made by executives that would take away everything just as you thought it was getting going and then you get with some put spot you fall into writing for for He-Man Let's start there so what how how do you explain the story of how you end up you really start the whole career I think in a lot of ways but it gets modeled after the guts that it took for you and the talent and everybody everything converging together for you to end up becoming a staff writer for He-Man. I've been a journalist for that and if you've been. My own career and people often say that writers are really artists careers the circuit not quite accurate it's the stamina piece Time and time and time and piece time and the kind of time of. Yeah I don't know what we'd actually go and so having a career as a journalist. You know well I know animation writers that we couldn't sort out but I do this and of course altered. Because I want to create a competitor. I have it on a sample I write the script up it in no agent no background I call it the core of the Internet. I could google the information I call a summation said I just got a call for the producers there I think it is name of my He-Man all you can harp on a Dell puts you through I think. You have your own way of social engineering which I totally love you were you were you would learn how to you would learn how to play keel because that's how you got into Corwin's class too which I thought was brilliant at the same time but I don't think it's got to do with you guys I mean the masses probably want to be in a masters program I almost forced him into it. I take my masters were actually I write my name with the program for the legislation I forged a master's degree I should have with a cap and you had to do what you gotta do yeah you know I said on him and I sent off the script release form letter and did everything wrong etc. And the call back to my surprise unsaid. We can't buy this to close so we already have a watchman for a meeting and I went for a meeting and told a story and suddenly I wrote a script I wrote 2 more and then they said the right of money for freelancers fireman's What do you want to come on this is a pretty crowded into it. Yeah that's what my 1st regular job 600 bucks a week working percolation City of those rights are human and it was so much fun to be along with that and you loved the idea of world creation that was kind of your 1st. Foray into a total and complete world creation that would lead eventually to Babylon 5 I mean the thing perhaps your best known but it was and I say that perhaps because it depends on who you talk to but but that that was that's a that's a skill and you you brought to it a real integrity that said it's not just about getting through the next script whatever we have to say you were creating a show by of all you where you were it was especially when you came around to doing she raw where you really felt like this had to have there had to be this had to be a treatment to get Ethical Treatment of who these characters were what their flaws were in order for people to be able to relate to them what's funny writers write for 2 reasons either to celebrate what they had or to experience what they never had. So growing up in that environment but no ethical center always moving Duggie some including community and ethical communities but became like white hot force in my head growing up I was as a kid I often had dreams that were always in the same city as same dream dream city made of the places I lived in before and the idea of living in community once and then the cult again I was drawn to that that was structure strong to communities that's why I did sensei for Netflix this to do a show that said we are better together that we are part that that the common coin of our shared humanity is bigger recover and whenever we come against us so building worlds you don't have continuity really have to have structures when you're in the house of a bad man young guy that walk with the tide or against the tide and for me that led me to writing about worlds and creating worlds in creating communities and doing things that I never had access to when I was a kid. And. The way in which you then created this world for she Ra also explains why once more just like you had under other circumstances you walked away from she rock explain why. Was twofold one was we were doing a story other working work getting credit for it we didn't like that idea 2nd the consultants came in and wanted to. Soften her character up and we'll tell you who co-created sure series with me is actually more slightly elevated above me when I came in. I wanted to do a show about a warrior someone who was a strong independent female and the sensors in the consultancy were like going to make her more feminine and softening or up and that was a real problem for both of us so that in combination with not getting the proper credit we should've gotten the 1st place said you know what. We're just going to go this is we're just going to leave and go somewhere else so you end up going somewhere else and one thing leads to another and next thing you know you're doing a whole nother cartoon series this one the Real Ghostbusters and in the original version you were creating a not just primetime version for a.b.c. But the syndicated for certain primetime I mean the cynic in the regular So no version for a.b.c. Affiliates but also a syndicated versions of like some 70 plus episodes you had to come up with for the Real Ghostbusters based on the characters from the movie and that's a success it's the number one cartoon and you walk away from not to explain that. Same thing we did we I loved the original movie and we made the series in keeping with the film up to and including making Jeanine who was there the secretary receptionist and the the heart of the movie and some aspects and he podge character exactly making her a strong sarcastic funny smart female in the cartoon series and everyone loved that the audience loved of the critics loved it we got you know an Emmy nomination and we were number one on A.B.C.'s roster show so they had to fix it so they brought in the consultants who among other terrible things said you have to soften Jeanine because kids want mommy figures they don't want this kind of theme and what they see of mirrors the term she dresses slutty and she's abrasive and she should have no jewelry no neck was softer dresses softer hair and you know said that her glasses have to be around because children are from the sharp objects of sharp eyes yeah hang on show me your data on this I said well we are psychologists I have. The degree in psychology I want to see your data right and if they say couldn't back it up they ran away and you know I probably at the end of the meeting said look there are a 1000000 mommy characters in animation and that's terrific at the place you know that kind of sort of type I understand it but this is a chance to have a character who has a strong independent then is that sharp intelligent terakhir as a real model for care for girls to say you know I don't have to do that I can be Jennifer myself and be strong and independent and smart and if that's what you're going to do and completely destroy that character that I can be part of the show and if you're going to walk away from number one rated show watching right I did and then never read it and then the course they came back a year later when their rebooted version with the mommy fly Janina tanked in the ratings and had me come back to do a few that the sticks the show in person was they called me to change which show that you know she had fallen under the influence of a demon called a make over a fox a box. Which supposedly prey on her core self image to keep changing her appearance would be more acceptable as long as she realizes no I can just be who I am and I actually inserted dialogue from some of the censors conversations and nose into the mouth of the demon innocently them. It's brilliant and and and you you keep landing on your feet in many different ways and you you get another lucky break writing for a rebooted Twilight Zone although you go through that whole thing again where the you know it's just so funny and maybe we have a minute or 2 to address it it seems like you soon as you started it was a success of course in Hollywood but in a lot of industries that's when people want to put their name on it that's what people want to attach themselves to it nobody done this before if the show would be number 12 in the ratings probably nobody would have been doing but never. But he wants to show oh here's where I step in and I show what I'm worth and they just they're going to end up ruining it and they did but that's that must be very frustrating for you to always have somebody come in who's not it's who's not invested who doesn't who didn't do the show creation who didn't work with these characters from the ground up and they start throwing out all of these ideas because they can. Yeah and they don't know how to tell stories about storytellers that's why you mentioned Robinson which was a great experience because Mark somebody in London studios. Was not a writer but he trusted us to tell stories and he just said go with it you know whatever it is important to you write about that and such a tremendously freeing experience to have someone who was not going to come in and start laying down the rules that it was a terrific terrific opportunity to learn storytelling. I played something on the air a couple weeks ago that I had created once because somebody had asked me to and and then I In the end I didn't it didn't run because they wanted to take it and they want to put the wonderful ending and they want to put it at the beginning because it was such an exciting ending they wanted to open with it and I said but then what's your end. They didn't get it they're like yeah but what we've got I'm hooked but hooked to what you get if you give the ending at the beginning then what doesn't matter we got to muck it just. So but that's the beauty then of Babylon 5 because now as producer creator and writer of what was it something like 85 percent of the episodes for a 5 year run of Babylon 5. J. Michael Straczynski finally got the control that he needed to create what I think. Science fiction fans television fans would agree is a true masterpiece. 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