Uk around banking and controlss and lending has led to big issues historically in the past and global issues, also the uk issues resolved by controls in place. Sitting from our perspective, we have seen in terms of the reform of the bankingn the uk and it has led to a rebuilding of the economy and the austerity we have had to be a part of in terms of getting the deficit down is supported by better banking, better controls. What is the legislation you put in place that s had t biggest impact and a better Accounting System for the banks and relationship between the banks and the uk citizens . I think the controls we have when money was cheaper, we were dishing out money to anybody and everybody. Ose contls, measures nown place t t contain that. Certainly improved. A lot harder to actually lend money. As we see the economy improve, that lending is slightly. Those controls, measures, certainly supported the economy recoveryf the british economy. What do you think is the, the euro, pound, is it going to work . Give us your estimate on the euro. It is obvious what is going on in brussels and you have bureaucrcrs telling the uk what to do, will the uk ever join the what is the future of the ro . What we have to be aware of, euro is fundamentally a political project. It is about bringing together and acting as an important signal, European Countries have come together and based on trade. Also based on a lot more. Very, very Clear Elements along with the european citizenship. That is why we have seen despite all the problems that the euro has fafad, crisis with greece. Such determination amongst the european members to make sure it doesnt fall. They realize this is not just an economic failure, it isis political failure. This is something people have to be very aware of. Ropean union will fight to try to keep this stable. Like many people, i am actually strongly in favor of the European Union. Passssnate believer and i would as a political similarymbol like to see british join. Now is not the time to be having that discussion. We arent going to do that, not on the agenda as far as i can see barring any maar economic crisis in the uk 1020 years. With david c ceron making it clear, wants to set in stone, yes, rest of the European Union is moving and britain shouldnt be prejudice by retaining the pounds. Really, to summarize that is it, britain will protect its place. How do you address the issue of smaller countries like spain d greece and others becoming step children and useful tools for germans . I think i guess we have to protect our interests, being blunt about it. You would a admit germany benefits from the euro . If we are to think of this, one of the great advantages, you said at the start, what is the difference between United States, europe, britain . I think the things bear in mind what made the dollar a success true political union. People in the United States have realized there is a fundamental agreement all americans have taken. The economies arent the same across all states. There is no confusion o o entity of whoe are, what we represent. Currency can phase your problem. That is why a lot of people believe European Union cannot just say this is just an nice economic tool. It has to be strengthened by greater political union. In the United States, richer states subsidize the poor states, accept they are subsidizing because this is about the United States. Richer countries will have to accept. There are poorer members, weaker members. Are in europe, baby. Armstrong sarah grant from the joint counsel of welfare immigrant. Can tell that is the topic, Richard Burnett. Before we get to asara, how is it that you guys, seems like the british economy was tanking, super inflation, banking out of control, credit ratings, how did you turn it around . I guess by putting controls in place, measures in place, you know, desperately needed. As we have talked d about, Banking System out of control. You were able to get your spending out of control . Exactly. Armstrong you were able to cut social program . That is unprecedented. Yes. Lets not forget it has come at there e e a lot of programs that have been cut desperately needed by people. I know treading on serious territory here, a lot of people in the United States feel very, very unhappy or very suspicious of what you call socialized health care. For example here in britain, this is truly regarding a True National treasure. We have seen cuts there. We have seen this effect we have seen many people disadvantaged. Government is saying look, we have to cut back on benefits, introducing measures in order to judge this. Rates of suicide amongst those, it is a real problem, social element, too. I think we can understand, look, we do need to make sure we keep it in track. Tax payors, make sure the money we have to recognize a lot of austerity comes at a high social prpre. This i i effecting a lot of programs which is important. I am lucky where i live. I have a disabled son. We get fantastic advantages in this country. United states is the place to be with research. To see, also, how parents who are facing the same problem in the United States, this is bankrupting thth. We dont have that fear. It is about bearing in mind, certain elements in all this austerity, many are paying a high price for. Armstrong sarah, how are these measures impacting immigration challenges in this country . Significantly. Austerity means times are tough for everybody, who do you blame . Anasy thing to do. It has made a huge difference in terms of how as a nation, how we talk about immigration, how our politics evolve. It is interesting to heaea what we are talking about our wonderful nhs system, others and are working are migrants, they fuel our economy. Migration is vital to this country. We have come out of austerity because of it. Social servivis depend upon it. Yet we do scapegoat them. Armstrong isnt it a f fct anyone at the bottom rung of the ladder and those that arrive last bear the brunt more than anyone else . It is not the measures, that is the impact it has when the in many regards, these cuts are necessary. W whave had to make difficult choices, they are necessary. That is a separate thing, how we deal with our Economic Situation is completely different. Armstrong how do you balance out the Immigration Crisis with the cuts necessary and uplift them in the process . Main thing is sure we dontt con flfl the two issues and keep them separate. People who are an asset to this country need to be treated as such, respected and have full respects. Armstrong seems as though you are alleging something else. We just h h immigration a a passed to create a hostile environment for those illegally in the united kingdom. Armstrong make them think absolutely. We are now going through an immigration bill going through parliament to increase that hostile environment. Armstrong you think their goal is to create a hostile environment . Absolutely. Our home secretary on record saying it for illegal migrants. However as we have shown organization has done a lot of work on measuring the legislation, impact isnt all migrant, eveve those legitimately here, black ethnic minority background, you are impacted negativity. Armstrong you are saying itt is sinister . Wasnt well thought out. I am hearing it, there are two sides to every story. From my perfective, i believe there is a place for migration economy does need to help support where we havent gotten labor in the uk. Ere is a real mix going back to what we talked about about before, migrant side, highly educated, engineers, doctors solicitors, this isnt the stereo typical migrant everybody would think about that can give value. Illegal migrants and more from my perspective, it is about the measures iran protecting the people i represent that are in the front line of migrants that are aggressive that want to use illegally. That is not right. For me, we need to make sure we have the appropriate measures to support making sure that doesnt happen. Armstrong we are going to take a fascinating conversation, things are not as being. Back. Armstrong it is electrifying in the studio, we have sarah grant, dr. James lindsey, specialist of European Studies at the London School of Richard Burnett director of the holice association. You wanted to add before thehe break. We have to be clear about migration, if you look at the way it is developed in this country, you have a group who just dontt like havavg nonwhite faces in this country. If we are going to be really honest, they realized they couldnt open up the debate. Slowbacks. It has been hijacked in the immediate yoo. We vast majority integrate very, very well indeed. It is incredible to see. We have all these migrant communities and i think this is the danger, we are losing all of this and with the Eu Referendum coming, immigration front and center of that debatete this is going to b bcome a very, very nasty element of the wider discussion with the European Union. Armstrong how can you say the uk has a bias against people who are brown skin when you look at the people of the uk, the extending g eir homes, community, to make sure people have a better way of life. I dont say that about british people at all. I am one of those. We have a culture of welcoming people, fair play of tolerance. What we are talking about are several complicatedssues all converging together. We have a political agenda that is trying to cut migration. We have seen it over the last five years we are putting in place policies to reduce numbers. That doesnt work. Net migration has increased. That doeoet work. That is demand and supply and free movement. We are an interconnected global world. As a result we have policies in place that have been impacting citizens that doesnt earn 18,600 pounds cannot bring non eu husband or wife to live in the uk. Armstrong is that unreasonable . No. You wouldnt want to be a burden of the state. Old rules absolutelyunderlined that. This is not about not being a burden to the state. This is about earning a threshold almost half our country do not earn, 18,600 pounds in the uk is not a salary 47 of this country cannot afford to bringng foreign spouse into the country. Would you want to choose exile or living with your spouse . We have to be careful how we rhetoric, our policies and what is the impact on the British Values we advocate . We believe in welcoming people. We have a humanitarian crisis. Armstrong we are here to learn, pefully when we come well see, well be back. Armstrong we have a deep connection, richard, this is an education. Final thoughts . I think it has been an education for me listening to the statistics we talked about about today. Highly complicated problem. This is not a problem that is going to go away. It is not a problem fixed eitherly. Ether. I think the United States needs to look at europe, this is about building a political project of unity, of pee, working together. I think we have a lot to learn from the United States on this, at us as the jurorniors. We have a humanitarian crises unfolding. Every country, uk, u. S. And rest of europop have a part to play. We cannot simply turn our back on it. Syrian refugees are on europes orstep. U. S. Is in the same step as the uk. We cannot forget humanity. Armstrong progogss has been made . Absolutely. We should be setting the tone for the uk and u. S. We are not doing that right now. 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