You taught him how to hit the upper corner. You even taught him how to hit the open man. But how much time have you spent teaching him. What not to hit . When my father was stricken with alzheimers, i learned firsthand how devastating this disease can be, not only to the patient but to an entire family. I also learned how Important Research and funding are end to this disease that puts an end to the lives and memories of our loved ones. If you or someone you know is experiencing memory problems, confusion, or other related symptoms, see a doctor or visit nantzfriends. Org to learn more about alzheimers. Dickerson saturday marks Smithsonian Museum of African American history and culture. We visited the museum with a man who spent 15 years working on its establishment, georgia congressman john lewis. Congressman, were sitting here at a lunch counter. What does that mean to you . Sitting here, i tell you, means everything to me. My first nonviolent protest was in 1960 in downtown nashville on a stool in the local woolworths store. This all takes me back. I grew up sitting down. I wouldnt be the person that i am today if it hadnt been for taking a seat. Dickerson what does it mean to be here inside this building . It just means everything. To walk in here, to see this magnificent museum, its going to continue to take me back, just walking through here, i could almost cry. I dont want you to make me cry. Dickerson you also spoke at the other end of this mall on the march on washington. Would you ever have imagined that there would be this kind of a monument . I never thought, i never dreamed that one day there would museum telling the story and the history of African Americans for the days of slavery. Dickerson what is that story you want people to understand when they come here . This story is an american story. It tells of our history, our having the ls, desegregation, racial discrimination, but much earlier, the whole system of slavery, the denial of basic constitutional right, the right to vote, the right to get an education, that people suffered, they struggled, people were beaten and arrested and jailed, people died, but they never give up. They never gave in. They never became bitter or hostile. They kept the faith. And they kent dreaming. Dickerson when you spoke america. We cannot stop, and we will not and cannot be patient. A real sense of urgency. Where are things now in terms of urgency in the fight for social justice . Well, weve come a distance. Weve made a lot of progress. When people tell me nothing has changed, i feel like saying, walk in my shoes. Ly show you change. Were one people. And we were involved in the 60s. White people and black people suffered together. They died together to bring about change, to bring down those signs, white men, white women, colored men, colored women. The only places we will see those signs today will be in a book or in a museum like this one. Dickerson speaking of Edmund Pettis bridge. What was happening in that picture. Well, in 1965, a group of us, about 600 of us, wanted to walk from selma, alabama, to montgomery to dramatize to the nation and to the world that people of color wanted to register to vote. We were walking in an orderly, peaceful, nonviolent fashion. We came to the highest point on the bridge crossing the alabama river. Down below we Alabama State troopers. And a man spoke up and said, this is an unlawful march. You will not be allowed to continue. A young man from dr. Kings organization said, major, give us a moment to kneel and pray. And the major said, troopers, advance. I said, major, may i have a word . He said, there will be no words. Night stick. I was hit in the head by a state trooper from a night stick. I had a concussion at the bridge. I thought i was going to die. Weeks later we walked from selma to montgomery, and president johnson made one of the most moving speeches in the modern times on the whole question of Voting Rights and civil rights. At the end of that speech he dickerson you recently wrote a piece in the Huffington Post about that march from selma to montgomery. You said theres a way to talk about where we are today. Tell me a little bit about that. Dickerson the march was 50 years ago. It changed america forever. There were hundreds and thousands of people coming from all across america, priests, white, all coming together. It was like a holy walk. And theres still a need for people to protest. We should never ever give up on the right to protest what is right. Dickerson you mentioned nonviolence. Martin luther king and the montgomery story, that comic book that inspired you when you were growing up. In that comic book it about loving thy neighbor, a strong part of the nonviolent message, that even when people are hitting you and beating you deserve your love. Where is that message now . The message is still embedded in many of us. I think we have to teach all of our children, and those of us not so young, that the way of love is a better way. Just respect the dignity and the worth of every human being. We need to continue to get it out there. Right in america, maybe it can serve as a model for the rest of the world . Dickerson is that message of loving thy neighbor being lost a little bit . I think there are are some forces in america trying the take us back to another period. We must not let that happen. Christa do you see that in the president ial campaign this year . I see it very much. So there are forces that want to divide us, and we must not be divided. Weve come so far. Working and building together. Too many of my friends, too many of my colleagues, young people that i knew, 6 and 64, white and African American, died together. We must not let their deaths be in vain. Dickerson thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Dickerson and well be right back. Engineers can spot because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. At bp, we empower anyone to stop a job if something doesnt seem right, so everyone comes home safely. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. Im a wife im a Research AnalystDance Fitness instructor actor im a copywriter im a veteran i have lupus Cerebral Palsy im blind and im working in a job i love i love because i was given a chance to contribute my skills and talents to show that my disability is only one part of who i am who i am who i am at work, its what people can do that matters dickerson there will be more of our conversation with john lewis on our web site, face the nation. Com. Thats it for this week. For captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh dont like you use about you are angry, hateful, racist. Oh, im racist . If i have something to say, i say it right out. Sharyl embattled and outspoken, maines Governor Paul Lepage has largely sworn off the media. But he spoke with us about his future and his aggressive attempts to reform a welfare state. Joce this hacker helped shut down one of the most successful propaganda tools for isis, but four questions keep him from being hired by the fbi. I cant imagine one person i know who would have the skill that would meet all those criteria. Sharyl congressman Jason Chaffetz heads the House Oversight committee and he isnt finished with the Hillary Clinton email trail. Rep. Chaffetz its one of the biggest Security Breaches in the history of the United States state department. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] . Sharyl welcome to full measure. Im sharyl attkisson. Theres only one governor we know of in the whole u. S. Whos sworn off talking to the press. And we have an interview with him today. The governor is Republican Paul Lepage of maine and hes been embroiled in controversies stemming from his dislike of the press and his unorthodox ways, which some find offensive or worse. His supporters think hes a political target, in part, because of his aggressive push to reform the welfare state. Today, we explore his effort to get mainers off the dole and whether its a model for the rest of the nation. Maine is known for scenic water views, an abundance of lobster, and its reputation as a welfare state. But last month, Governor Paul Lepages effort to reform that reputation was threatened by an expletivefilled voicemail he left a critic over whether his gov. Lepage i want you to prove that im a racist. Ive spent my life helping black people and you little son of a socialist. Sharyl that drew National Attention and calls for him to resign. Rachel maddow this is by no means an exhaustive catalog of Governor Paul Lepage, his controversies and his fights and even his public smearing. Swearing. That would take way too long. Sharyl but lepage insists hes not going anywhere and will continue pushing aggressive welfare reforms, which helpe him get elected in 2010. That year, a full 36 of maines budget was spent on welfare like food stamps and cash assistance. Well either call you back today or tomorrow. Gov. Lepage i am the example, the poster child for the american dream, and you dont do it by taking. You do it by giving and earning what you have. Sharyl lepage has launched a crackdown on fraud after nobody else had unearthed millions of dollars in food stamps intended for needy maine residents were being spent in farflung locations like hawaii, puerto rico, and the virgin islands. What does that tell you . Gov. Lepage it tells me that it doesnt work. Thats what it tells me. It tells me that theres nobody looking after the chicken coop. Sharyl tom roth leads the effort to catch welfare cheats. Tom weve got one large case that should be going for indictment soon thats about a quarter of a Million Dollars in case to date. Sharyl lepage has also pushed through a series of major welfare reforms. Maine was one of the few states with no restrictions on how long people could get cash assistance. Now theres a fiveyear limit. Those convicted of drug crimes can be booted off welfare if they flunk a drug test. And then there are big changes to the food stamp program. Gov. Lepage food stamps is a copout. Id rather teach them how to earn money so they can buy their own food. Sharyl under revisions made in age 50 with no dependents can only get food stamps if they enroll in vocational education, volunteer an hour a day, or work 20 hours a week, if theyre mentally and physically able. After one year, the results were remarkable. The food stamp caseload of childless adults dropped more than 80 from above 13,000 to under 2600. Gov. Lepage ive met some people that in 2010 hated me. Hated me. I was, when i was campaigning about reforming welfare, and i would just get these letters occasionally saying, . You were absolutely right. Now im not on benefits. I am selfreliant for myself. Were productive. Sharyl but the governors brand of tough love has plenty of skeptics. Chantal brouillard is a restaurant manager in castine, maine. Chantal we cant have a state think that he is potentially going to take away benefits for families and Community Members that really, really needed. Sharyl state senator nate libby, a democrat, accuses the governor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Cutting funds for critical programs increasing childhood hunger. State sen. Libby i think the governor has created this sense in the state of maine that all welfare is bad, and that, you know, people should be cut off of the public assistance rolls at any cost, without sort of looking at the corollary effects of that. Sharyl lepages reforms and his running commentary on the causes of maines social ills have set off critics. Earlier this year, he said most maines heroin problems are coming from black, outofstate drug dealers. Gov. Lepage guys that are named dmoney, smoothy, shifty, these type of guys that come from connecticut and new york, they come up here. They sell their heroin. Then they go back home. Incidentally, half the time, they impregnate a young white sharyl confronted by what he viewed as a hostile media and accusations hes racist, lepage lashed out and said he wished it were the 1880s so he could duel one of his critics. And he stood by his earlier criticism. Governor lepage we have a lot of people from connecticut, new york, the bronx, they come up to maine with heroin. Theyre killing our people. And yes, they move into they find a woman to move in with. And since were 99 white, its a white woman. Sorry, but its a fact. Sharyl the words people use about you that you dont like are often angry, racist. Gov. Lepage oh, im racist . Sharyl hateful. Gov. Lepage if i have something to say, i say it right out. And do i say things that are not politically correct . Yes. Will i continue . Yes. Do i get attention . Yes. All of the above. And i think you people worry too much about pc, being politically correct, instead of the heart of the person. Sharyl lepage insists his heart philosophies deeply rooted in personal experience. His grandparents came to maine from canada to work in the textile mills. He grew up in an abusive home, speaking only french. Hes the eldest of 18 children, most he never knew because he ran away at age 11. It was a tough upbringing . Gov. Lepage a major tough upbringing. Major. And to the point where i just couldnt take it and i left. Sharyl what happened . Gov. Lepage it was a beating. A vicious beating. And i left home. Sharyl he lived on the streets and took him in. Some would say, being someone who grew up in poverty, abused as a child, homeless for a time, that you should have the most kind of sympathy for people . Gov. Lepage i do. Sharyl going through that. Gov. Lepage i am the most compassionate person for poverty that exist in the state of maine and the United States of america. You try growing up, cant speak english, on the streets of maine. Im gonna tell you, you go to school with a hole in your shoe, to keep it from freezing, and the fact that youre living on the streets, you dont have a shower every day, and you tell me we dont get discriminated against. Sharyl he became a successful businessman and father of five, including a young man he calls his adopted son, devon, who is black. Lepage says his street experience taught him what helps and what doesnt. Gov. Lepage july of 1964, we had a war on poverty and weve thrown money at it and then we turn around and walk away. But i roll up my sleeves and work with people and teach them how to get out of poverty. Sharyl on our visit, the governor took us to capitol clubhouse, a program that trains the mentally ill so they can earn their own paychecks. Thank you for visiting our clubhouse. Sharyl 30 years ago, lepage was the first businessman in the state to hire socalled transitional employees from a clubhouse project. Drowned out by the noise over the governors controversies are what do you think of governor lepage . I love him. Sharyl why . Why . Because hes not a politician. One of the things i agree with is the idea that everybody should be pulling their own weight. His concerns about the state are spot on in regards to the things that need to change in the state of maine. His approach is questionable. We all know that. Sharyl while more people have been getting on food stamps nationally, its the opposite in maine. Under lepage, the states food stamp enrollment has dropped 23 . Cash assistance cases are down 62 . And the amount of food stamp money spent outside of maine has been cut almost in half. Eric brakey is a republican state senator. State sen. Brakey welfare reform has been a very popular message here in maine. Now, maybe in some corners of, you know, the peoples republic of portland, maybe its not always as popular there. But statewide, we see that sharyl so popular, theres a brand new law barring people from spending cash benefits on alcohol, tobacco, guns, and tattoos. And it was sponsored by a democrat, senator libby. State sen. Libby a lot of mainers are really surprised to learn that you can use state public assistance to buy cigarettes and alcohol. And i dont think theres anybody who thinks thats a expenditure that helps pull somebody out of poverty. Sharyl as the sun sets on the Lepage Administration hes out in two years under term limits he plans to stay the course. It remains to be seen whether maines reforms will lead to more poverty, as some critics fear. For now, the states call centers sound a little less like a welfare state. This is definitely a temporary assistance. Its not something thats permanent. Sharyl and lepage says hes out to reduce dependency, not make friends. Gov. Lepage i dont care. I wasnt here to be liked. This is my story about being liked. When i want to be liked, i go its unconditional love and i have three now. I might have to have a fourth one before im done. [laughter] sharyl in a new poll released this week by the boston globe and colby college, 64 say that the level of civility in politics has gotten worse or much worse during lepages term. 54 say they have no confidence in lepages ability to govern. Still ahead on full measure Hillary Clintons emails face a hill. We talk with the republican in charge and ask why. This information is so classified and so sensitive that if the adversary saw it, people sharyl this week, at a congressional hearing, the public got its first look at three computer technicians who helped set up Hillary Clintons three private email servers and in some cases allegedly deleted subpoenaed. Two of them took the fifth and another was a noshow. We spoke with Jason Chaffetz, head of the republicanled House Oversight committee about why hes pursuing the email trail. Rep. Chaffetz its one of the biggest Security Breaches in the history of the United States state department. So, we gotta make sure that we understand how it happened, try to put that genie back in the bottle. But its just a major Security Breach that has untold implications for a long time to come. Sharyl once i sorted through the fbi summary, it was pretty saw key Hillary Clinton emails. Some of what they found was the clintons apple personal server she used for work mail couldnt be found, an apple mac book laptop and thumb drive that once had her email archives were lost. Thirteen of clintons mobile devices were lost, discarded, or destroyed. After she was notified her records would be sought by the benghazi committee, copies of her email on the laptops of her attorneys were permanently wiped with bleachbit. After her emails were subpoenaed, her email archive was perman bleachbit from the server she was using at the time. And after the subpoena, backups of that server were manually deleted. Rep. Chaffetz it really is unbelievable. If you put this in a movie, nobody would believe it. But remember, this information is so classified and so sensitive that if the adversary saw it, people are going to get killed. And it was done so sloppily. I mean, its just cavalier attitude, that she was above the law. Sharyl today, we saw publicly, who took part in the bleachbitting, the permanent deletion of some of these emails after subpoena. They took the fifth. I respectfully decline to answer and assert my constitutional privilege. Sharyl in its partial review, the fbi found over 2,000 emails currently classified as confidential or secret, 193 emails that were classified at the time they were sent. Most remain classified today. Eight were top secret, 37 were secret, and so on. And 12 of the sensitive email chains were not provided by hillarys attorneys. The fbi found them in other ways. Mrs. Clinton i did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material. Rep. Chaffetz well, and we still have literally tens of thousands of emails that they havent finished going through. They have 14,900 of them that the state department is reviewing, but we heard testimony last week that theres an additional universe of tens of thousands that they havent gone through. And a lot of this stuff was sharyl whats so bad about the idea of some of those emails being obtained by our enemies . Has anything happened because of it . Our world hasnt exactly fallen in. Rep. Chaffetz you have everything from satellite imagery to drone strikes to covert operators. You know, a lot of this will be untold behind the scenes. But what if you were putting your life on the line . What if it was your son or daughter who was out there serving this country in maybe a clandestine way and then you had this cavalier person in Hillary Clinton just not secure the da it puts people at jeopardy, at risk, and theres untold consequences to that. Like ive said many times before, she was not the secretary of fish and wildlife. Shes the secretary of state. And if you could know in advance where she was going, what she was saying, what her advisors were telling her, it gives you an advantage that isnt going to necessarily show up on the front page of the new york times. But it gives you that much more of an advantage. If you were playing cards with somebody and you could see those