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From coast to coast on the internet this is coast to coast am with George No no here's George the song is called poles apart thank you 90 four's Division Bell album Pink Floyd great tune We're talking with Bill Burns about Edison versus Tesla the book he co-wrote with Joel Martin and you know there are Edison apologists who over the years have said Edison was just kind of ranking his colleagues pranking the world by saying that he had an interest in developing something like a spirit phone however there was an experiment and Bill writes about it is a book. In which Edison did a test of the Spirit phone and he invited some of the most prominent psychic mediums of the day to participate we'll get into that and more and then take your questions and calls a little bit later right here on coast to coast am. 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Sent it in real time road conditions and traffic updates 1st our talk for stretching our talks 1360 in 1280. Bill Burns over the years you know I've read little tiny little clips about Edison and the spirit phone and in general the article sort of poked fun at it and the contention has been that Edison was just pranking everyone and Edison doesn't strike me as a prankster he was absolutely humorless that's the one thing about Edison he rarely laughed he. In $120.00 in he began a series of experiments he thought that mediums and tarot card readers and he believe readers he thought that was all a bunch of hoax that's what he thought and. What Edison grew up during a period called the a Great Age of Spiritual ism which lasted from us and want to save the 1850s late 18th forty's all the way through to the beginning of the 20th century and so there was a time in New York when there were all these kinds of mediums they were making a lot of money in fact there were congressman who wanted to pass laws to make mediumship. Illegal That was what they wanted to do and so Edison grew up in this period. But when the time came to test his invention we could talk about what made his invention why he put it would work. He the only people he could rely on to summon spirits were mediums and people who claim to hear spirit rappings and people who claim to be able to divine . Tealeaves and so it was kind of strange that preprocessing who condemned all these people throughout his entire life when the time came to test his spirit Phone Those were the ones he relied on to summon the spirits of the deported that must have been quite a scene I wish he had used one of those his new fangled invention the recording cameras or whatever to. Get a film record of it so it didn't work though right as far as we know no no what happened was he convened all these people this was a. Dark Night dark and stormy night in the fall. In New Jersey and his plan was this this is how his invention was supposed to work. At the turn of the 20th century early in the 20th century they were the whole of these there was a series of atomic energy there were these theories of quantum physics there were these theories of the cohesion of quantum entanglement so if it quanta spins one way it has this doppelganger this a dent ical quanta in space spinning in the same direction nobody can understand it we can't even really understand it today but it's the basis of modern quantum computing that tangle at our entangled Einstein called it spooky action at a distance Edison believed that one approach that a person was composed of life units and these life you and it's call them quanta call them electrons call them whatever you want to but he believed that these life units. Animated the body that the body simply did what the life units wanted to do think of stem cells and that these life units didn't disappear after a person died that there was a an actual presence of these life units of the person's spirit the person's consciousness after death many thought Ok what if I could find a way to a dent to find the presence of these life units well he'd already invented the motion picture projector by 920 so his in fact he did that to the motion picture industry by 920 so what he figured was instead of just having the beam of light from projector expand on a screen what if he made it very very narrow and you know how when you were in school when the a.v. People would come in to show you your movies right the duck and cover movies during the age of diving at your desk for the atomic bomb that before the film started when it was light on a screen you would put your hands up and you do shadow figures here this is something similar Edison believed that if he had to be narrow enough and if he could induce these collections of life units to cross the beam they would register because the light instead of hitting his screen would hit a light meter just a basic standard light meter and. A photon meter and if that meter registered the presence of an interruption of a light beam then that would send a current over to another meter and he could be able to see by how the Dow worked on that meter that there was an interruption of the beam and that would mean that he was pinging with photons pinging electrons or pinging life units that was Edison's theory. But he had to make sure that the life units cross the beam of photons so that's why he used mediums and. Paranormal clairvoyance to try and rules spirits across the light beam and he tried that for hours on this one night in $120.00 and it didn't work now it didn't work because the mediums were just plain hoaxers and couldn't do their job it didn't work because there were no life units it didn't work because the actual invention itself couldn't register the presence of life units so you could take your choice of any 3 but Edison never gave up and in fact when he was dying this is in 13132 when he was dying he lapsed into a coma. And his family was gathered around him his children his wife called gathered around him and he suddenly over rose from the coma got up on an elbow and said My God I've been to the other side I know that I'm right we don't die of version of life continues and so he had a near death experience and that's what told him all morning but his theories were correct he just didn't have the right components for his invention as for Tesla you write in the book that he also sort of struggled with his suppose it connection to what we would call paranormal that he didn't want to be associated with mediums and crackpots but that he knew something odd and inexplicable was underway Tesla believed that he could get radio signals from the beyond. And you could put your own definition of what the beyond is is beyond Mars is beyond regime this is beyond beyond the solar system or was beyond beyond this dimension Edison Tesla firmly believed that there were multiple dimensions and that when people died they just didn't disappear they didn't disincarnate what they did was travel to another dimension and if he could find the right radio signal the right frequency that would enable him to ping voices on the other side he could prove one that we don't die and 2 that it's possible to communicate with people whom we feel that had died but really didn't they simply went into another dimension and so you have 2 absolutely different theories one based on photon beams hitting electrons the other based on mysterious radio frequencies that could capture the voices of the Departed you have a you have a section about the death of Tesla you mention about how it is and went out and apparently had an ad near death experience and came back with this revelation shared with his family before he died test was death is pretty sad. And when you consider what he did to change the world. Right Tesla managed to blow through millions of dollars he managed to get people angry at him for example j.p. Morgan George Westinghouse they were furious at him in this one story he he believed and this is something they're experimenting with today that I mean in fact Apple has it as a product right now that he could send an electric charge without wires and distribute power well of course in Apple's newest i Phones you could charge them wirelessly so that's what that's what Tesla believed and he tried to convince George Well j.p. Morgan for example he said to j.p. Morgan I can transmit power wirelessly so everybody gets free power well j.p. Morgan said why would I invest in that wine vest in something you're giving away free and so that collapsed but I mean think of it today. A Tesla believed that he could generate power from the sun he believe that every single house every single dwelling. And this is a workable invention if you could magnify the rays of the sun to the point where you could boil water to create steam steam could turn a generator that generator could power house who needs the electrical power grid when you could have your own power source this is the beginning of the solar power revolution that we have in the United States and around the world today so in terms of of Tesla was literally hundreds of years ahead of his time that one of his biggest inventions which we now have this is what we are deploying on or battlefields now was the radio guided tour paedo he present the disco the naval operations board the Naval consulting boy at the very outset of World War One he said imagine and he demonstrated this device by the way in Madison Square Garden in the teens he believed you could send radio waves which we can we're doing this now school they're called drones and basically you could guide a torpedo electronically to its mark well Edison turned the whole project down didn't want any part of it and his or equipment was very simple if you could generate an electric or radio wave to guided to a paedo what would stop an enemy from jamming that radio wave or worse spoofing that radio wave to turn the torpedo around against you and we know that now because that's exactly what happened to an American made drone over Iran when the uranium spoof that signal faked the g.p.s. And landed the drone in its own territory so I mean that's how far ahead of us time Tesla was and in fact the only reason we have radio guided torpedoes today and radio guided craft is that in the 1940 s. The movie star had you a more. Invented what's called Spread spectrum technology with George Gentile who is a composer had even more was a movie star by day and inventor by night and so shit and so she invented this device where the transmitter and the receiver would order magically switch frequencies in some preprogramed way and so if you were a 3rd party trying to jam that frequency you would know what frequency they were on she had a patent for it the patent expired Sylvania picked up the patent nothing really happened with it we had radio guided torpedoes during the Cuban missile crisis in in 1962 but nothing really came of it but in fact that's what we're using now on the modern electronic battlefield I mentioned about Tesla's And and it's sad that he dies penniless and alone but he wasn't out of ideas tell that part of the story well. In the latter part of his life Tesla had this idea which we experimented with on u.f.o. Hundreds in a kind of work was that you could create an anti gravity device using sound waves very high pitched frequency sound waves could actually levitate an object and so Tesla tried to sell this device to the United States he approached the United States were born again at the outset of World War 2 and said listen I have a device that will that will create peace throughout the world it's an anti-gravity device he was living alone in the New Yorker hotel in the Chelsea section of Manhattan he was penniless at the time and the United States turned flat out turned him down so we were to go he went to the Soviet Union and he contacted the Soviet embassy they were our allies in World War 2 And he said I have this anti-gravity device in the Soviet Union gave him $25000.00 to develop the device and he was working on this device but in $1043.00 he died alone in that hotel room in The New Yorker hotel the f.b.i. Broke into his room after he died and they took all of his notes and they sent his notes to the office of the alien properties well after the war now you have a whole new country Yugoslavia under Martial Tito the combination of Serbia and Croatia and they said we want Tesla's notes for the a Tesla museum that we're going to build in Belgrade so the United States turned over all of Tesla's notes from the office of alien properties to the Tesla museum in Belgrade Xcept for one set of notes with the anti-gravity notes and you know they went they went to right field and Nathan twining and Nathan 20 who was the head of the air Materiel Command it at right field who was in charge of the material from the crash at Roswell in 1947 he's the one that got the antigravity notes. It's this is a sad end for Tesla. And you know I guess it's sad in light of what Edison did that so many of his personal foibles and come out but you make the case that he was serious about the spirit bone and you cite a couple of specific interviews that he gave again going back to this idea that he pranked in which I've read that a couple of times that this was a prank pretty clearly in these interviews multiple interviews that he gave and in his journals it was not a prank your guess is that he continued to work on it because if nothing else that's his character that's what made him a success is that he never gave up right that's right I mean Edison had this kind of Sherlock Holmes Ian belief that there was no such thing as failure there was only you will live in a one theory and then you can go on to the next theory so it was a process of elimination and that's what really drove him he believed in trial and error mostly era but sometimes you really win and so his experiments normally were still your failure failure failure and then success Tesla was just the opposite he would conceive of an idea in his head and usually he would come up with some working model of it right off the bat but in terms of Edison's drive to create this thing he gave these interviews to magazines in which he described these experiments he will in his journal I mean his journal when you read the missing chapters of his journal and I quote some of them in the book when you read the missing chapters of his journal what you find is that Edison was so far in advance of the theories of the of his day he's talking about panspermia which was the Christian Watson belief that some intelligence transmitted. The origins of life throughout the universe. We covered that story and you have a magazine if as and years ago but but that's what Edison believed he believed that . Not just trees. Were composed of life units we knew our trees are alive obviously but he believed that even dirt even rocks even in animate objects that we don't consider to be alive were composed of life units he also believed that when a person died the life units migrated not into some great revived circling the planet but that life units migrated to another body so this was his scientific basis for reincarnation I mean it's astounding when you read about these things he believes in Italian to live on other planets. That we're in some cases a lot like us and he believed that life units could move through space and this is all in the missing chapters of his journal and that's what was excised by his family and business associates So what are the family and business associates say about the French translation of his journals I mean when you have you ever been able to confront him and say here's what he wrote We've got the translation I did talk to the Edison archives which is like the modern preservation of the Thomas Edison papers and the Thomas Edison photographs and. I'll tell you what Bill I should have waited on asking that question we'll hear the answer on the other side of the break and then we'll take a couple phone calls for my guest Bill Burns talking about his new book Edison versus Tesla Peter Gabriel shock the monkey takes us into the bright. this. 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From the excellent solo album Ram Paul McCartney to many people in that song he had to take a little jab at John and Yoko which sort of set off a cascading amount of hostility talk about an intense rivalry I we're talking about Edison vs Tesla Bill Burns new book about the 2 of the most brilliant people in human history and how they just didn't get along and there are their competition for the development of something called a spirit phone in a moment we open up the phone lines with your calls and questions we'll be right back with more coast to coast am. 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At that the head of General Electric that the person who invented all these industries was now dabbling with the spirit world was tantamount to demonology and that's why the family took those chapters out of his journals but when they were rediscovered it added a whole new light on just how advanced Edison's thinking was and in terms of 20th century theory about about life in outer space and all these paranormal ideas they're not just they're just not paranormal anymore they're considered really rock solid science we do believe in we call life units something else but we but we have stem cells theory so that Edison's theories that might have been considered demonology in 125 suddenly in the 21st century are acceptable. We could spend an hour on u.f.o. Angles to these 2 guys you mentioned a little bit ago about Tesla's papers being taken away I don't think I don't think we mentioned exactly the location where they were taken so right Patterson right it's right Patterson Air Force Base was right field and in it 947 where Nathan Twining was the head of the air Materiel Command and if you are on u.f.o. Hunters we did an episode about Tesla's anti-gravity device Ralph ring believe. This person on a score had worked with Nicholas Tesla and supposedly they had actually invented a ship a device a vehicle that would use Tesla's anti-gravity device and this one person who said he actually rode in that device he said there was no sensation of movement all he knew was that one point he was in one spot at another point he was in another spot you can determine whether is telling the truth or not folks could find it on youtube or they could go to the History Channel and buy the D.V.D.'s where we talk about the antigravity device and he said it was a real device so according to this it released this one person the antigravity device worked. Let's take a couple of calls are Gary and Santa Maria California hi Gary. Thank you very much there is a 3rd player that in the very major 3rd player that nobody talks about that test ended up having a huge rivalry with and that was. Dr businesses John from Donald Trump's uncle. Who did the original. Overview of all of Tesla's work rivalry scammed from John Crumb's work with Van De Graff and to hear huge Then he grabbed generators that he was using to generate x. Rays to cure cancer his heart was in the right place in a lot of areas but tests like a band with 2 Tesla coils 110th the size of. That 20 foot tall dad to grab generators and publicly humiliated John drunk with his manicure iced coils Well it was John Trump who had exclusive access to all of the papers and where those papers when he was best friends would white d. Eisenhower Ok let's Laura that I want to say I could Gary tell you what let's let Bill come back into this a little bit the bill exists a ring a bell with you Well it does Donald Trump is talked about his uncle quite a bit that isn't a was an electrical engineer in that he was an inventor and that he was a brilliant man now I'm not sure of Tesla's interactions with John Trump but I'm certainly going to look into it to use Donald Trump's favorite phrase Gary thanks for the info that was news to me as well and we'll have to maybe dig into that low but further in the future program Dave in New Jersey hi Dave you're on. Bill Burns Hi George thanks for taking my call. My life has been paranormal instance I was a very small boy growing up in West Ham Pennsylvania I would have not only visitations from these little people I call them Oh I'm calling you is that being near them gave me a precondition and the ability to speak to the other side. Ok for me and what I learned again very I'm sorry please share with us what you have learned from this Ok well I would sit on my balcony 24th or hear him say celebrities I know who passed away you know smoking cigarettes nothing stronger and one night as I'm wrapping up my saying God bless Johnny Carson and I hear a voice clear is a balance they gave you got to quit smoking has a ways as he said Johnny Carson wound of the paler p.r. Through McClanahan is tell me I mean he just goes on and no one is as easy as the amp and telephone for me anyway that's how I know it did test for inventor radar no Tesla did not invent radar that was not his invention he believed he he what he believed was that sound waves pinging off things would return an echo but he wasn't actually the inventor of the radar device I think David's Thanks Dave for shit it won't try Joe He's in Long Island Hey Joe. I know how you're doing and ask about their changing motivations I know of one point at us and we're cared about his stuff being shown in the Chicago World's Fair and you said Tesla worked for 48 hours for more dough so I'm just wondering how that motivations might have shifted and how much of the backdrop of this toward fact Addison's thinking and my 2nd question would be about one project offered to either one of these guys from end to nationally being that they had no connection with the actual u.s. Government and weren't obligated just work for America. Edison did have connections with the u.s. Government because he worked for the Navy he worked for the Navy a war consulting board at the outset of World War One In. Weapons Development. Edison's motivations were on the one he he was fascinated I can separate them Edison was fascinated by the idea of making things better and making inventions that would fit into a certain market and the best example of that was Edison's was Edison's goal checker that was the 1st invention that he got paid for making. He was sitting he was like a young man seeking his fortune. How this civil war affected him was that he was a telegraph operator during the Civil War and when the union troops returned after the end of the war all the telegraph operators base were summarily replaced by the experienced army telegraph operator and so Edison who'd studied hard to be a telegraph operator down in south kicked out of a job because he was replaced by a veteran well so Edison left. His he left Port Huron he left the place where he was living to seek his fortune 1st in Boston and then or New York and that was where he was going into and this was right during the gold stock prices big crisis in gold and. He was at the other j. Lot of gold company that had that was using the gold stock ticker because the people investing in gold needed almost hourly gold quotation prices because the price was fluctuating back and forth and the machine shut down and it was a lesson for Edison he was waiting to get a job there is a maintenance engineer when she convinced the president to vet company that he could fix that device and when he realized when he's worked inside the device and so that was a very simple fix and he fixed the connections again spouting out the prices of gold and they hired him on the spot that was his realization that if he were going to be a great inventor he would have to win vents typically into a market and that was his motivation to see what the current trend was in technology we didn't core technology back then but it's see with the current trend was and he looked for the kind of invention that would fit right into the technology we lived through this in the 1960 s. When i.b.m. Came up with the idea of office automation and said everybody should have office automation and then by the middle sixty's they'd invented office automation devices that's what Edison did thanks for the call joke right. I'm sorry No I'm saying Tesla was different Tesla had an idea for an invention that was its It was that would that had its own purpose but it wasn't just for a consumer market but that it would extend the knowledge that's why Ed is Tesla was always experimenting with. Frequency radio waves and new ways to generate power and new ways to communicate I mean he invented the theory behind television way in advance of the invention of television. Joe thank you for the call we go west of the Rockies Howard in Vancouver Washington Hey Howard Hello George and Bill you know I have heard numerous times that Tesla was involved with the Philadelphia Experiment that supposedly occurred in 143. Would like to your opinion do you think that really happened with the so what happened was and this story comes from Agnew or Lee Burke Ok 6 comes from the source and it was told to me by Phil Corso So the story was this no Tesla absolutely was not involved in the still he did the Philadelphia Experiment at the Philadelphia Navy Yard because he was dead so that's 1st of all. The Philadelphia Experiment. That was based on a story told by this guy Carl Allen he called himself Carlos I Yenda he told this to Morris Kate Jessop who did one of the 1st early books on U.F.O.'s what really happened at the Philadelphia Navy Yard I'll try to make this really short we were going to invade the home waters of the Japanese islands and the Japanese had underwater mines and ships hols of Europe bitterness ship you know the ship's hull is like a battery it generates current and the current generated by a ship's hull especially metal hauls metallic cones would set off the proximity fuse on the underwater mines the Canadians had developed a device that would demagnetize ships hols it was called the glossing there were these huge cables so the experiment was as arly Burke explained it to still Corso explained it to me it was the 1st experiment in stealth technology electronic stealth technology and they would have these big to go sing cables cables big devices and the u.s.s. Eldridge that was a destroyer tender was right. Through this to go sing device but he was so intense that 2 of the sailors were actually fused into the whole Well you can imagine this is for the United States this is a secret weapon so what the Eldridge did was on this very foggy day at the Philadelphia Navy Yard the elder children write down the Intracoastal Waterway and the fog closed in behind it and this person coral Allen who was a witness to the whole thing will tomorrow escape Jessup and told the story of the Eldridge traveling Foden time in the missing crewman and that's how the Philadelphia Experiment story started Howard thanks for the call 1st time caller Rob in the brassica I Rob you're on with Bill Burns. Bill. You know I had. I want to have you written anything about that for areas through thick and 9. Of I'm sorry I didn't hear that or that latter theory about 9 being like that either the universe. No no no I didn't write about that but I I mean I kind of know about that cheery. Tesla was not the world's greatest mathematician so it was kind of a theory that never really brought to a conclusion but I'm not really an expert on that Rob you want to explain it. You know I are going to go up or. Engineering and they've got about it and. Fascinating theory how you know most. Numbers and. Their graphical are very. Irritable during her. Down and I. Right and one of the agony that's going on all what you hear from people who who who who do a lot of work with numbers and business people don't talk about the steer you freeze but that's not the same thing is as a test with their use 36 and 9 Thanks for the call Rob welcome to the program trying time for one more call from New York me odd Hello Yes good evening good morning gentlemen excellent excellent show. Things like I'm the lone female caller But listen do you know anything about Louis Ladd I'm a and. George touched on it a little bit in terms of the ruthless aspect of Edison where Lewis Lattimer was a black assistant yes yes yes yes yes yes and let me get the 2nd part and I listen over the air the Kraven filament which was so important for and of his in life but the 2nd part is Tesla earthquake machine right in Manhattan he. Almost brought down I believe it was a flat iron a building and whether what they did with that technology and whether you think it might have been used recently like maybe signs that we see and Mexico and and Haiti and I listened over the at the anchor dance for the call it was good questions we got about a minute question yet. Edison to answer your question Edison did have all of a lot of assistance and he did have African-American assistants working at his lab in Menlo Park and a lot of his assistants were the actual inventors I mean this is kind of the the negative side of Ella of of Edison his assistant did do a lot of the inventions I mean unlike people like retaining Shockley who actually after they got the piece of the integrated circuit from the crash at Roswell did invent. The transistor but they got the patent for it from 18 to. Didn't do that what Edison did was he took the work of his assistant and added the material in his own name and that is what he made his assistants sign so they never received the actual property rights that Edison took for themselves based on their work the bill I think we're going to have to wait to answer that earthquake question another time and I'd love to know if anybody picked up the work on The Spirit phone and continue did in secrecy but we'll have to deal with that in another program as well the book is called Edison versus Tesla the battle over their last invention as always great to have you here Bill Burns and hope you'll come back. 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