Transcripts For KDVR Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace 20160214

I really wish the president would think about not nominating somebody. After marco rubios damaging debate performance last week this notion that barack obama doesnt know what hes doing is just not true. There it is. There it s the memorized 25second speech. He can get his campaign back on track . If our next president is even half the president Ronald Reagan was, america is going to be greater than its ever been. Senator marco rubio on his strategy to regain momentum. Then one of us ran against barack obama. I was not that candidate. The Democratic Candidates clash on who is building on the barack obama legacy. Bernie sanders in his first interview on Fox News Sunday since starting the president ial campaign. We break down both races as bush xliii prepares to hit the campaign trail for his brother. He tried to mother, that didnt work out so good. If donald trump wants to go after my brother, man, i think that wont be helpful. Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. First, the news that broke late saturday, the death of Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia. The passing of this conservative giant leaves a big hole in the court. And it sets off a fierce struggle of a weather barack obama should name his successor or leave that to the next president. Well ask two leading candidates for the white house, marco rubio and democrat Bernie Sanders in a few minutes. Fwifrt, lets bring in fox news chief Legal Correspondent shannon breen, reporting from the Supreme Court. Shannon . Chris, hes been described as larger than life and that was true of just Antonin Scalia on and off the bench. He was a spirited jurorist an unapology etic of his philosophy. I look to the words of the constitution. I ask, what did those words mean to the society that adopted them . Legislation. What do those words mean . Whats the fair understanding of them . Scalia was known for being rather immovable once he reefd a decision and had fiery dissent when on the leezing end of an opinion. Dissenting from the courts decision to legalize gay marriage last year, he felt the majority ignored the will of millions of americans who had voted at the state level to preserve the traditional definition of marriage. Scalia wrote, a system of government that makes the people suborder nant to a kmst committee of none lekted lawyers does not deserve to be called a democracy and now a showdown over his replacement. I plan to fulfill my Constitutional Responsibilities to nominate a successor in due time. There will be plenty of time for me to do so and for the senate to fulfill its responsibility to give that person a fair hearing and a timely vote. Senate majority leader he believe that should be left to the next president. And while that partisan fight plays out, the court is left to wrestle with the key decisions this term on affirmative action, abortion, the president s use of executive power and the hhs contraceptive mandate. In these cases as in any others, if the court issues a 44 decision that essentially just leaves the Lower Court Ruling in effect. Chris . Shannon, thank you. Now to the race for the white house. Were just six days from South Carolinas first in the south primary. And last night a smaller field of republicans held their final debate before that key contest. Fox News Senior National correspondent john roberts reports from greenville where scalias death and vacancy on court was a big issue. John . Good morning to you, chris. This morning ben carson likened last nights debate to the roman coliseum. It did illuminate sharp differences between the candidates on policy and personally. But the debate started off with the passing of Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia. I believe that president should not move forward and i think that we ought to let the next president st United States decide who is going to run that Supreme Court. I think its up to Mitch Mcconnell and everybody else to stop it. Its called delay, delay, delay. The senate needs to stand strong and say were not going to give up the u. S. Supreme court for a generation by allowing barack obama to make one more liberal appointee. Well, that was about the end of getting along. From there on in, waits a free for all, highlighted by a declaration of more between donald trump and jeb bush. Donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a Security Apparatus to keep us safe. Im proud of what he did. He has the resol to have go he has the gal to go after my mother. A big part of jeb bushs strategy in South Carolina is to be the only one to stand up to donald trump and to try to punch him as hard as he can, chris. Well find out if it worked the week from now. John roberts reporting from South Carolina. John, thanks for that. And senator marco rubio who was trying to rebound from a shaking debate performance last week in New Hampshire, senator auto rubio, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Thank you. Thanks for having me back. Last night you said that president obama basically doesnt have the right to appoint scalias successor. Take a look. I do not believe the president should appoint someone. Its not unprecedented n fact, its been over 80 years since a lame duck president has appointed a Supreme Court justice. Now, senator, when you say lame duck, president obama has been a lame duck since he was reelected in 2012. You are saying that no president can appoint someone to the well, im not saying its illegal. He most certainly has the power to nominate someone. The senate said Mitch Mcconnell is xleer. Were not moving forward until after this lection. The main reason is this president is no longer hes this was early in the second term, thats one thing. But he has less than a year left in office. The voters the Supreme Court can function with eight justices. Theyre not in year round. So they can get through this term of the Supreme Court with all of the decisions. Theyve done this before. And then there will be an election in move. Well have a debate about what kind of justice should replace scalia. The voters are going to get to vote for a new president. I think this will be part of the calculus calculus. I think we should wait until after november before we move forward on confirming any justice to the Supreme Court. The president can nominate whoever he wants. But the senate is not going to act. That is pretty clear. So we can keep debating it but were not moving forward. Ronald reagan named Anthony Kennedy to the Supreme Court in and kennedy was actually confirmed in reagans eighth year. Are you saying somehow that november is okay but three months later is over the line . Yeah. Again, i mean, i dont it doesnt really matter what theyve done, reagan did in 87. It was 87 whether he nominated him. Obviously, it was early in the year. This is november, october, september of last year where the president had more than a year left in office than perhaps this will be a different discussion. But he now has basically about 11 months and 10 1 2 months left in office. We have an election coming up. There will be a debate over what the Supreme Court justices should be like. And voters are going weigh in in november. Theyre going to lekt a new president. I think the president should allow the next president to appoint the justices to the Supreme Court and if its me, and i anticipate that it will be, im going look for someone in the mold of Justice Scalia who while irreplaceable is a model jurorist and one of the great jurorists in american history. You got into quite a battle here some of that. The lines are very, very clear. Marco right now supports citizenship for 12 Million People here illegally. I oppose citizenship. This is a disturbing pattern now. For a number of weeks, ted cruz has been telling lies. He lied about ben carson in iowa. He lies about marriage. Hes lying about all sorts of things. Now he makes things up. Senator, what do you think of ted cruz . I like ted. In this campaign and the last few weeks he has kind of developed a disturbing pattern of telling things that simply are not true. Just this week aloerngs he had an ad pulled off the air because it lied about sanctuary cities and immigration. He also, by the way, lied about my position on marriage, my position on planned parenthood. We saw what he did to ben carson. He keeps actsing like it was a when it per campaign. These are paid calls being made out to his activists in iowa telling them to inform people at the caucus site that ben carson last night, i dont know if its true or not about, the robo calls happening here now. And then he portrays himself as an immigration purist. Hes always been strict on immigration. Its just not true. When it comes to the issue of people that are in this country illegally, he argued passionately in favor of doing something for them, like, legalizing them and bringing them out of the shadows. So he wasnt telling the truth then or hes not telling the truth now. But to portray himself as a consistently does that hes the only conservative in this race, i mean, its just not true. And i think thats being exposed here at this campaign. Senator, i also want to ask you about your closing Statement Last night which has tracted some attention. You said under president rubio, we are going to be a country that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. Now as you well know, the Supreme Court has ruled the other way on. That are you calling for a constitutional amendment . , no youll have a president that says marriage is between one man and one woman. Define marriage has an end to regulate it especially has always belonged to the states. I doesnt belong at the federal level. The constitution already says that. The constitution is pretty clear if it doesnt define a power to the federal government, it doesnt belong to the federal government. But, wait a minute. Thats why the decision by the Supreme Court on thissish sue wrong. You are going try to overturn the Supreme Courts decision . I mean that, is the law of the land. A president cannot overturn a Supreme Court decision. I can tell that you i believe more justices like scalia and any justice irrespective of the personal view on the definition of marriage who is someone who is going to apply the constitution as originally meant by the society that wrote those words at the time will tell that you the issue of marriage regulating it and defining it has never belonged to the federal government. Ed that Court Decision should be overturned on the basis of the constitution. If you want to change the definition of marriage go, to your state legislature and have i believe it should be between a man and woman. Ill engage in that debate. But your elected representatives at the state level will decide it. It doesnt belong in the sfral federal courts. A president cannot overturn a Supreme Court decision. As you know too well, one of the big stories going into last night was your, i think you would agree, shaky performance in the debate in New Hampshire. Do i think that last night you, one dshgs the damage from that debate, should people who suddenly began to worry, is this the guy we want to put up in the general election against the democratic nominee . Have you eased those concerns . Yeah. Chris, if you follow yeah, you have now. Youve been part of two of them. We had nine debates. In 8. 75 of the debates, ive done very well according to everyone who watches them. I had one ba bad answer to questions, obviously. Voters opined that way. I took responsibility. It happens. But im very proud of my debate performances consistently throughout this process and again last night. And heres the key, if im the nominee, i look forward to Bernie Sanders. One of the points im making is i should be the nominee because not only am i as conservative as anyone running, im the conservative that wins. I consistently beat Hillary Clinton in poll after poll and i think last night with the passing of Justice Scalia, we are reminded of how important this election is, how high the stakes are and why we must win. I am the conservative that United States the Republican Party, that grows it that, wins this election, and that begins the important work of undoing the damage barack obama has done to us. Senator, you and your farmer mentor, jeb bush, are in a battle at least right now in the polls for third place in South Carolina for whos going to be the leading establishment candidate. You say he has no Foreign Policy experience but hes been firing back recently. Take a look. Marco can say that he has a record, but what would it be . That he goes to Committee Hearings and talks to people . Thats fine. But what is the record of accomplishment . Argument . He ran a big state eight years and you attend hearings. First of all, that is not the extent of my experience. He has no Foreign Policy experience. As weve gone on to say, his Foreign Policy experience consists of the fact he lived overseas for a period of time when he was young. And he invests overseas and lead trade missions. That is not Foreign Policy experience. Its doing what i did, leading the effort to impose additional sanctions on hezbollah. Foreign policy experience is doing as i did, when i helped lead the effort to impose tangs sanctions on human rights violators in venezuela. Foreign policy experience is doing as i did when isis first popped up warning quickly while the president was saying this is a jv team and no one else was paying attention, i was consistently warning about isis. About what is going to happen in libya, about the situation now putin would conduct their strikes in the middle east two weeks before he actually started doing those things. Thats Foreign Policy experience on which i have achievements. Jeb has no Foreign Policy experience, period. That is the most important job of this president. Im ready to be the commander in chief and head of our Foreign Policy on the first day in office. Senator, we have a minute left. During the last weeks debate, you supported extending the draft, signing up for the draft. Two women said you have no problem with anyone serving in combat as long as they can meet the standards. But this week you seem to flip on that saying that you dont support women signing up for the draft or making them serve in combat. Why the change, sir . It isnt a change. Draft. Selective service is basically a list of peoples names. Second, just because someones drafted, which i dont believe anyone ever will in the future that is not nature of modern warfare, but just because someone is drafted doesnt mean my point, is again this is another thing ted cruz was putting out there that wasnt true, he was saying that i was in favor of forcing women into combat, drafting them and forcing them. I am the father two of girls that are much closer to combat age than anybody else out there in terms of this being debated about. My oldest daughter is 16 years old. Im not in favor of her being drafted and forced into combat. Im actually in favor of a voluntary arms forces. Im not even sure we need Selective Service anymore. Do you believe that she should and any woman should have to sign up for Selective Service . Im open to Selective Service being opened up to women that want to be a part of it. Ive never said and i dont support is that we are going to draft women and force them into combat roles. Thats absurd. I never supported that. Ive also said that if a woman wants to serve in a combat role and can meet the minimum requirements just like a man i would be open to that. By the way, minimum requirements for combat service apply to both genders. Meet it. The men have to meet it as well. There are many men that dont meet the combat standards. The idea that were going to combat, i never said that. That is not my position. And all i said is im selective names. For a draft thats never going to happen. I dont know why we still have Selective Service. Senator rubio, thank you. Thanks for making time for us, and, of course, well follow how this week goes for you and all carolina. Thank you, sir. Thanks, chris. Up next, well bring in our sunday group to discuss the death of Justice Scalia and the politics of an opening on the Supreme Court in the midst of a president ial election. Dying again. Youll need to email us so we can issue you a ticket. But youre right here. Its protocol. Staples Tech Services next day guarantee. Its fast and done right. Ill do that instead. Protocol marsha. In by noon, out by 5 the next day. You cant predict. The market. But at t. Rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. 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George, your thoughts about an ton inxa lee yashgs Antonin Scalia, legacy and whether barack obama will be his originalism, the theory that constitution should be interpreted as the language was commonly understood at the time was written and ratified was an attempt by conservatives to react against what they took to be the somewhat freewheeling creation of nonconstitutional rights by the foreign courts and others. The dissents were written for the law students and the coming generation of judges which complicated the process of getting a majority. Ju Justice Brennan once said the most important word in the Supreme Court lexicon is five. And sometimes mr. Scalia was indifferent to. That he was writing so to speak his most important consideration, contribution conserve ative infrastructure. Im wearing the Federalist Society neck tie. Founded in 1982, shortly before went on the court. Three campuses, its now on 200 campuses. Students right now. Its part of the complex and lasting scalia legacy. And what about this question of whether or not, obviously, he can name a successor, but whether or not the senate should act on it . Well, the senate, i think, should not and certainly will not. The president would need all 46 Democratic Senators plus 14 republican senators which is probably 14 more than hell get. Beyond that ibuster . Thats correct. Knowing harry reid, reid would broken the rules by changing the rules in the middle of the session and blocked bill pust ed ed fill i busters and the president would have got away it with. David and, by the way, good to have you here. Good to be here. The future of the supreme president ial elections. But now were talking about the current state of the Supreme Court playing out in the midst of a president ial campaign. How much of an issue do you expect that to be . This is huge. I agree with georges take on the politics of this in the senate. Of course, if youre president of the United States, why wouldnt you do what is your responsibility is which is to appoint a successor to scalia . And by the way, this is now ideological warfare of the highest order. I dont mean that even pejoratively. This is what ideology and ideological warfare is really about, a contest of ideas in this country. And if scalia stood for a subtler role of the Supreme Court in American Society and if he fought even for that in a losing way, its even more important. Chief roberts said he zparz about the fact that the Supreme Court is so highly charged politically right now. So if obama nominates someone Democratic Base is going to be highly energized in this campaign. If he gets someone through, the Republican Base is going to be highly energized. No matter what happens, the court matters. And its going to be a big issue on both sides. Back in 2012, Justice Scalia sat down for an interview here on Fox News Sunday. We got a real insight into his judicial philosophy and his personality. Youre governed by the text. Thats the only thing that is relevant to your decision. Not whether the outcome is desirable, not whether legislative history says this or that. But the text of the statute. Originalism says that when you consult the text, you give it the meaning it had when it was adopted. Not some later modern meaning. So if it was the constitution written in the 18th century, you try to find what those words meant in the 18th century . Exactly. Penalty. When the electric chair comes in, its a new phenomenon. What did think ey think of the electric chair . Who knows . They did have the Death Penalty and impose death by hanging. So what the originalists say is the electric chair more cruel and unusual than hanging was . And, of course, it isnt. It was adopted to be less cruel. And the same thing with lethal injection. There is one Supreme Court decision reading a lot of your writings and speeches over the years, that seems to distress you more than any other and that is roe versus wade, the 1973 decision that says that women have a constitutional right to abortion. You say that it is a lie and, in fact, while generally willing, you say to accept long standing president dense, you it is the clearest example of being a nontextualist or orginalist. Nobody ever thought the American People ever voted to prohibit limitation onz s on abortion. There is nothing in the constitution that says that. What about the right to privacy that the court found in 1965 . There is no right to privacy in the constitution. In the griz s wald case, they said there was. You wrote in an abortion case, cannot be taken seriously. You called an opinion by chief Justice Rehnquist in a 1988 case, a shortsighted exercise in folly n a 2007 dissent, here is what you wrote. The sheer applesauce of the interpretation should be obvious. Are you con tank us are . No. I express myself vividly. Colleague. Briar. I like hum a lot. And Sandra Day Oconnor and criticize. And if they call one you have your pins applesauce . Thats fine. As long as they can demonstrate that its true. Youre 76 years old. Will you time your retirement so that a more conservative president can appoint a like minded justice . I would not like to be replaced by someone who immediately sets about undoing everything that ive tried to do for 25 years, 26 years. Sure. But, i mean, i shouldnt have to tell you that. Unless you think im a fool. The wisdom and wit. The conventional wisdom is for all the talk every four years about the future of the court that usually it doesnt actually move votes in a president ial election. But im going to pick up on what there is a debate, an angry debate going on in the senate at the time, the president sang here is my choice, republican senators blocking that choice, could this time be different . Could it come . Only 20 of americans say that they think that the Supreme Court is too conservative right now. I think the fact that there is a vacancy on the court is made more important and sort of sent people to battle stations faflter because this is the seat that was held by Justice Scalia. The last two vacancies on the court were justices appointed by republican president s but who sided generally with the liberal side of the court. So president obama nominating someone to fill the seats is not going to markedly change the balance of the court. Here the idea is president obama appointing a liberal justice to replace Antonin Scalia, someone you can see why in that interview conservative law students across the country idolized him. It would really upset the balance of the court. I think thats whats going to make this a debate that conservatives are engaged and ready to have. The flip side is if the his right under the constitution, and the Senate Blocks it as is its right under the constitution, you dont think liberals are going to be equally exercised . I absolutely believe liberals will be equally exercised. The fact you have 37 of americans who think the court is already too liberal, in general i think conservatives are excited about having this battle moving into november. Juan, big picture. What do you make of this whole event . The passing of a legal giant, his legacy on the court and the issue as to what this will play in the president ial campaign . When i think of Justice Scalia, i think back to Ronald Reagan and his attorney general wanting to undo the work of what they thought was a liberal activist court which began with warren in the 50s. Were talking about issues like civil rights. Were talking about abortion rights. You could say were talking about gay rights. Im talking about the confluence it as coming from an activist court that no one lekted. They wanted to change it. That effort. We saw in the interview, talking about text dg ua originalism. Youre going have a 44 court. So lots of things are not going to be decided here and weve got key cases remaining, affirmative action, abortion, environmental regulation just in the past week president obamas effort in environmental regulation. The other thing i say Going Forward is diversity. Huge issues here. President obama, obviously, he wants this as a legacy issue. Hes already put two women on the court. The leading candidates right now, two are women. Diane wood out of i think shes out of what circuit, george . Do you sfleb. Do you remember . And then janet napolitano, hhs secretary. And then also you have an indianamerican for the first time, and you potentially have the first hispanic man. Diversity is going to add to the kind of anger on the left if the senate chooses to somehow say, oh, we are going to ignore this president. This is going to be the kind of politically charged debate that Antonin Scalia would thoroughly have enjoyed. Panel, thank you. We have to take a break. Well see you later in the program. Up next, Bernie Sanders makes his first appearance on Fox News Sunday since announcing his canned da sichlt well ask him about scalia and the increasingly tough race the world a president has to grapple with. Sometimes you cant even imagine. Thats the job. And shes the one whos proven she can get it done. Securing a massive reduction in nuclear weapons. Standing up against the abuse of women. Protecting social security. Expanding benefits for the national guard. And Winning Health care for 8 million children. The presidency is the toughest job in the world and shes the one wholl make a real difference for you. The democratic race for president has turned from a clinton coronation into a real battle. Last night i spoke with senator Bernie Sanders for the First Time Since he announced his candidacy in may. Senator sanders, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. My pleasure. There is already a fierce argument after the passing of justice Antonin Scalia, democrats say the president should name and the senate should confirm his successor. Republicans say that should be left to the next president. Where do you stand, sir . No. I think we want a full contingent on the United States Supreme Court. Important issues. The constitution is pretty clear. President makes at pointment, senate con firmdz, lets get on with that business. You disagreed with Justice Scalia on a judicial basis, not a personal basis, on almost every issue. What do you think his legacy is, sir . Clearly, he was a brilliant man. A very colorful man, a very outspoken man. And i happen to respect people who are willing to come under public scrutiny and serve their country. So youre right, chris, he and i had very different points of view. But i respect people who are willing to serve their country. Senator sanders, lets turn to politics. The Clinton Campaign strategy now is that they have a fire wall as the Campaign Turns west and south in states with much larger minority voters. Shes beating you by 10 points accord together latest polls in carolina. Just how strong is the clinton fire wall . Well, you know, whether we began this campaign, chris, we were at 3 in the polls nationally. We were 50 points behind in iowa. 30 points behind in New Hampshire. But clearly, the results in both of those states turned out to be very different than when we were where we were when we started. I think were going to surprise people in nevada. I think were going to surprise people in South Carolina. In talking you to right now from denver, colorado where we just had 18,000 people coming out to a rally. I think were looking really good with a whole lot of momentum for super tuesday as well. But when you were talking about those polls, that was six months before the voting actually took place. Were talking a week or two before the voting takes place in South Carolina and nevada. And, also, the clintons have such long, deep ties to the why should a black voter choose you over Hillary Clinton . Well, i think because if you look at my lifes work, if you look at the agenda that we are bringing forth in terms of economics and criminal justice, this is an agenda that works for all americans but especially for those who are hardest hurt hardest hit economically. Were talking about raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour over the next several years. Were talking about pay equity for women. Were talking about creating millions of decent paying jobs, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. Were talking about focusing on the outrageously high rate of youth unemployment in the Africanamerican Community. Were talking about having the United States join the rest of the industrialized world guaranteeing health care to all making tuition at public so all of our kids, regardless of income, can get the Higher Education that they need. And were also tackling in a very aggressive way a broken criminal Justice System in which we have, chris, as a nation, more people in jail than any other major country on earth. Disproportionately africanamerican and latino. We need a whole lot of work to make sure that we are providing education and jobs for our kids rather than jails and incarceration. Senator, priorities usa action, the super pac that is supporting Hillary Clinton has Just Announced it is going to spend 5 million now to help her instead of waiting until the general election. When you brought up that super pac during the debate this week, she denied there was much of a relationship. Watch. If you have a super pac like president obama had which says not my pac, if you take donations from wall street, you cant be independent. Senator, how close are clintons ties to that super pac and straight out, do you believe that millions of dollars shes gotten in Campaign Donations and also in speaking fees from wall street, do you believe that they have bought influence with secretary clinton . Look, chris, obviously i mean, i dont think there is any debate, but that this super pac is one in which the secretary has worked very, very hard to raise a whole lot money. If my memory is correct, in the last reporting period, they raised 25 million, 15 million of it coming from wall street. Now shes obviously not the only candidate out there. Many republicans are raising huge amounts of money from wall street as well. You know, every candidate says, hey, all of that money coming in industry, it doesnt impact me. Every candidate says that. Well, the question that we asked, is wall street and all these others billionaires and wealthy individuals, are they really so dumb . Why are they contributing so much money . Let the American People make that decision. Senator, one of the central points in your campaign, you say it over and over again, is that the American Economic system is rigged. But i want to go over some numbers with you. In 1981, the top 1 paid 17 of all income taxes. Now the top 1 pays 37 . Question, sir, if the wealthy rigged the system, why have they done such a lousy job of it . Chris, i think you are missing the major point here. And that is what we have seen in recent years is a huge transer class to the top. 1 whose percentage of wealth in america doubled. Were talking about trillions of dollars going from the middle class to the top. 1 . But, sir, isnt a lot of that because of the economic policies of president obama and of the Federal Reserve which put Interest Rates at basically zero . No. We have policies that have gone on for a long, long time on the Republican Administration and democratic administration. Now, are we better off today than we were when president Obama Left Office and we were losing 800,000 jobs a month . Of course we are. But for the last 40 years, what we have been seeing is a middle class disappearing, people working longer hours for low wages and today as it happens, 58 of all new income is going to the top 1 . Thats a rigged economy in my mind, chris. Senator, you and Hillary Clinton got into it in this last care, medicare for all as you call it. You say that its a good deal for the American People. The family right in the middle of the economy pays 500 more in taxes and get a reduction in their Health Care Costs of 5,000. Senator, a Health Care Expert and who helped devise the single payer plan in vermont says that youre wrong. That, in fact, your plan comes up about 1 trillion a year short and 71 of families would be worse off under your plan than they are under the current system. Well, Kenneth Thorpe can say whatever he wants to say. A lot of the assumptions that he made in his analysis are absolutely incorrect. Chris, heres where we are as a nation. This is not debatable. We have 29 Million People without any health insurance. We pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Millions of our people have huge and, yet, per capita, we are spending three times more than the british who cover all their people, 50 more than the french, and far more than canadians. Kenneth thorpe says that its exactly the problems with your plan are exactly the reason that youre own state of vermont had to drop single payer. Kenneth thorpe, i mean, you know, you quote the one guy. I think it was just a piece in one of the newspapers today by the foremost experts on single payer systems who really denounced Kenneth Thorpe and his analysis. I respectfully disagree with mr. Thorpe. Finally, sir, the republicans have held debates on all the networks but the democrats so far have refused to hold a debate on fox. You are coming on here tonight. Were very grateful. I hope you feel that you havent been mistreated. Would you be willing to participate in a democratic debate on fox news . If we went were clear to guidelines were and what the rules were and to make sure that they were fair and the dnc wasnt paying for it, i would have no objection. I assume youve seen this interview we just did. Interview. Chris, i have seen this interview but i have also seen other interviews. So if i could have a guarantee and knew who the questioners were and if the framework for the debate was fair, i would have no objection. Well, ill take that as a definite maybe. Senator sanders, thank you so much for coming on. Please come back, sir. Okay. Thank you very much, chris. And then there is Hillary Clinton n a clinton. In a debate last month she was asked what she would do as president to bring the country together. I think its an important point the president made in his state of the union. Heres what i would say, i will go anywhere to meet with anyone well, once again this week, clinton turned down our request to speak to us and the millions of who you watch this program just as she has every week in this campaign. Well keep trying for an interview and a debate. Up next, we bring back our sunday group to discuss the Republican Debate last night and a democratic race that has phone ringing you cant deal with something, by ignoring it. But thats how some president ial candidates seem to be dealing with social security. Americans work hard, and pay into it. So our next president needs a real plan to keep it strong. elephant noise donkey noise hey candidates, you probably are worse than jeb bush. Rut single biggest liar. Donald has this weird pattern. When you point to his own record, he screams liar, liar. Well that, is just a taste of the cotton thrust from last nights Republican Debate and were back now with the panel. George, your reaction to the debate and a different part of it which was Donald Trumps apparent search and destroy brother. The straw that broke the camels back didnt break the camels back. It was the accumulation of straws. And the question is people say trump is immune to mere accumulation. The profanity added up but last night i think he may have passed the frontier. The man supported partial birth abortion and gun control and Eminent Domain last night adopted the most vicious line of the hard left in this country, bush lied, people died. No one doubts that bush was wrong and all the others about destruction. To say that bush lied and derivatively pole inpowell lied and everyone else in the administration, the people in South Carolina which rescued george w. Bush and n. 2000 after he lost badly the New Hampshire primary to john mccain. So i think that if there is such a thing as a critical mass, hes david, ways surprised because it seems to gratuitous to go after, i know george w. Bush, bush xliii is going to be on the campaign trail tomorrow with his brother. It seemed odd he would decide this was the moment to relitigate the iraq war. Given the fact that he went into that debate, if you believe the polls with about a 15 point lead, do you think it changed republican primary . I think there is kbangs of the vulgarity and torching of bush. The best defense of bush is he kept the country safe after 9 11 and there is debate of the execution of the war or the basis of the war in iraq. No doubt about that. You have 58,000 veterans in South Carolina, w. Bush, former president bush is popular down there. I dont see the wisdom of it. It allows jeb bush to fight for the establishment. Hes going after trump in an effective way in that regard. There is still cruz who i think is making a strong ideological temperment, ideology, not being a conservative and with evangelical support, he has game. Can you explain the wisdom of trump going after george w. Bush the way he did last night . Donald trumps appeal is that he will be something completely different and his appeal is not that he is a good republican who does good republican things. His appeal is actually to a lot of voters who may have called themselves republicans, maybe participating in prot ses. The options theyve been offered in previous years, the difference between mitt romney and Rick Santorum didnt thrill them. So donald trump, despite the fact hes doing things that any other candidate they would be written off, counted out of this race, because you have a section of people who call themselves republicans but they dont like the Republican Party, that is who donald trump is appealing to. And thats why in poll after poll he actually doesnt do particularly well among very conservative voters. He does well among those who are more conservative and moderate, partisanship and ideology and emotional attachment wanting someone to fail. After the landslide in New Hampshire of Bernie Sanders, do we have to stop thinking of him as a potential spoiler that are going to make things difficult for hillary and push her to left and do we need to start thinking of him as a potential democratic nominee . The trouble Bernie Sanders will have is he is not able to put together the full obama coalition. There is not an exact repeat of 2008 because Bernie Sanders does not have the same level of streng wjt Africanamerican Community in the way that barack obama did. That said, hes got such strength among Young Democratic voters that you have to believe that Hillary Clinton is wondering if this is going to hurt her in a general lection, if this generation of millennial voters that have fallen in love with Bernie Sanders, do they just decide she is so inauthentic and does not they decide sto to stay home in to stay home in november. Juan, what does sanders say about the state of the Democratic Party at this point . What do you think it says about Hillary Clintons strengths and weaknesses as a candidate . I think its clear that Hillary Clinton is not an inspiring candidate. She doesnt inspire people out on the trail. And people see her experience or connection with not only the Clinton Administration but even the state department as secretary of state, not as a plus in many cases but as evidence shes part of the establishment in an era or in an election cycle where people want populism and authenticity, they dont see it coming from Hillary Clinton. Hillary clinton is running on the basis of her experience and the fact that she can win that, she doesnt think bernie can win but, you know, bernie may excite you. He may thrill you right now, young america. But if you are worried about the republicans who are highly energized and youre worried about the republicans senate, and the house, then you got to look at me because i can win this race. Thats Hillary Clintons case. And so when it comes to the Democratic Party, chris, then the Democratic Party which is totally aligned with Hillary Clinton, i mean everybody, Congressional Black Caucus to Debbie Shultz and the likes. The super delegates. She has the super delegates, dont forget that. You come back to the idea that Democratic Party with the problemsst Republican Party which is losing touch with the base. Well, and i wanted to pick up on that with you, george. Its becomes clear as this goes on that both races, both in the republican side and the democratic side are going to continue for a while probably well into march, maybe even into april, who is running more of a risk, the republicans who seem to be getting pushed further and further to the right in this clearly with sandersfrank are being pushed to the left . Theyre both in jeopardy. Bernie sanders message is america is a nightmare of increasing inequality and rampant injustice. Thats a hard sell, it seems to me, even based on the republican side. We know that if the republican nominee gets mitt romneys portion of the nonright electorate, 17 , hell need to get 65 of the white electorate which no one has done since Ronald Reagan in 1984 carrying 39 states. And its going to make it very difficult after this rhetoric about immigration to do that. 20 seconds, david, final thought . I think Hillary Clinton is starting to do a better job against sanders. I thought she was better in the debate. She is making him out to be a one issue candidate. More people are paying attention to what his policies would do to the Democratic Party and the the right. New hampshire was a big loss thank you, panel. A look at the Supreme Court last night as they lowered a flag for Antonin Scalia. Voter revolt anchored by my colleague, bret baier. Thats it for today. Happy valentines day especially to lore rain and have a great news sunday. robert now, i love living in new york city, but the traffic, crowds and stress can sometimes get to me. I was showing all the classic symptoms of what i call manhattanitis. siren blaring the best cure i could think of was a road trip through the great north american western frontier, where the animals arent on the subway. A little bit of movement. Aahah . The landscapes are wide open, as well as the people. both laugh robert on a western road trip,