Opportunities in the year two thousand for tea. On todays program were delighted to have doc today to laurens old who is an associate professor of the college of International Affairs at National Attention university to discuss with us to stay top of our two nations will come to the probe and a bit thank you rain in the area good to be here with you for bringing me here was all into having his supplies into heavy on the program. First of all the start of class who question to ask you to come was a little bit but still ok i am originally from the United States. This tidy when two of my undergraduate college was university of arkansas folk which is where i grew up. I then went to yale team of work for the federal government for lil bit and then worked for several colleges in the us could until i came here ok and distribute into town one in the year and two thousand and ten in the fall of two thousand and ten pesos over two years he has to be taught what guests and the neo this is not usual that we see you Younger Generation of American Scholars income on building a tenured position now also at the very Prestigious National university in taiwan. Why dont you wanna come to taiwan. Oh well. Ncc you provided me the opportunity to come and visit here is a visitor passes here. Well that really was very good for me and and im very grateful for is the dean of the college in the chair of the department of diplomacy for being the good and. But then that turned into essentially a permanent position than i was very happy about that because my wife is here and sell that that makes things much easier. While its getting to some of the Research Topics and baby have brought with you a copy of her recent book there you have to publish about the conceptions of chinese democracy. While reading the old son gets in the hotel cache and son team will get kate ellis a little bit about the book you have a copy with. Yes this is the book gets published by Johns Hopkins university press. All i can now keep in april of this past year that of its the result of about eight years of work. I actually started in about two thousand and five cm when i was in the actually started i e was visiting my life here in taiwan during the summer will and she at that time worked for gio which has now been merged into most of it and i went to visit there one time Mentor Office and she wasnt able to leave at that time because he had lots of work sia went to the gio library and a head. All of the back issues of the free china of preview and i to sch to start looking through them because i was curious and they had the speeches that of Chiang Kai Shek and changing clothes. He gave on the patients of ten and the constitution day. They were just right in and they were filled with references to democracy and i thought this would be an interesting opportunity to look through those and see what it is that they had to say about democracy open though were some of the important findings will highlight of the book. Well that night i tried to do to sing some whiny is too soon to determine whether or not there was any substance to the discussions of democracy that of Chiang Kai Shek and changing will again help with the purpose of thinking about their species as a form of democratic learning. Because scholars had argued previously that. The kmt and and leaders of the kmt by talking about democracy so much and had helped pave the way for the democratic transition that look that came later and the solos wanting to explore that and i found in fact if there were important discussions particularly justifications of democracy. The second simi is to attempt to understand the place of those discussions in the larger Chinese Community of oak ridge cheekily going back to sun yat sen in his discussions and also to link it with discussions of democracy on the mainland and here are what what i found these is that sundance and Chiang Kai Shek unchanging quilt gravitated towards particular models of democracy that when were relatively popular in the Chinese Community but theyre not really totally chinese conceptions. Theyre really just alternative models of democracy that can be derived from the general theory of democracy. And gave it the book we know that with the title of conceptions of chinese pockets and wars some of the similarities and differences. Built between the notion of chinese constitution of chinese democracy versus western type of democracy. I think there are significant overlaps and yet i think what happens is that people in the Chinese Community tend to gravitate towards particular models of democracy. Of those that are mobilization all in character than other call upon the energies of the general population. The suicide vest my son yet send one to democracy. He cited was the only form of government that can mobilize the population and create a strong state that all would allow china to overcome the problems it was experience. Experiencing in the late evening and in the early republican period so mobilization all a little bit of the league is numbed the area is that confucian argument about the importance of knowledge and understanding in the find that particular insight yet send them on to some extent and in the Chiang Kai Shek off as well is liberal elements of discussions about the importance of constitution is the importance of procedures the importance of law which can also be an illegal list understanding in Chinese Philosophy as well. So in the bay theres a gravitation towards particular models which you can also find the end. Western conceptions of. Go other model that theres a tendency to adopt is a unitary model the thinking about the entire population is united and not pluralistic and any game you find that in greek so when other western philosophers use. And the given the fact that you have been caught one they have been doing research on taiwan. And that based on your observational so youll find its what is your view of of taiwans democratic transition which you know most people will greet started to feel back in the nineteen eighties rhino once you no timetable was still alive right and then hubby to see the whole process in the last thirty plus years. I think its been a very complicated process in there and there have been. I think lots of players need to be given credit. Of course sample. The changing cool nice to be given credit for of talking about democracy of promoting democratic learning and two when the dpp was formally established. Not creating another Tiananmen Square situation. You know when as happened on the mainland of the leaders of the democratic opposition that came to form the ppp has to be given lots and lots of credit because they initiated the actual process in the nineteen eighties that lid to the transition while they had overcome a lot of opposition they were not necessarily seen as being patriotic. So lots of credit has to be given to them. I think the influence of the philippines the Peoples Movement of People Power Movement in the philippines the transition into place in south korea was very important so is what Samuel Huntington calls one of these waves of democracy mean i think those outside influence we were important. And i think the United States and pushing. Democratization has to be given a little bit of credit that were ok then given all these factors together. The wheelbase home what you are youll continue to research and feel finding about the bill collins democratic transition. Were you surprised or are you happy though with the democratic achievements and talents today. When i type this the democracy become established died. I started coming here. In two thousand and two two thousand one two thousand and two open door still open in the stalls you for the old waste less of me in too many politicians are fighting theres not enough agreement and now pretty much everybody except democracy. But they dont necessarily accept all of the formal procedures. You see people going outside to proceed years of demonstrating of mobilizing followers to go out and put pressure on the legislature of which. In some ways is a good thing because it shows that people are committed and that there were and are trying to create various ways of Holding Officials Accountable. The problem is sometimes those mobilization all models can get out of hand and then they can threaten the institutions of democracy. So there has to be a balance in i think it i want a strike that balance fairly well so yes im crying as an outsiders alike or not and im fairly happy with with with twenty three years already. But before we end this part of the program data from the nest. Some people would say itll come one is too political. As some of the politics of very emotionally confused and very confrontational and would you agree with such assertion. To some extent yes no and again i think this is a relatively typical of a new democracy young democracy people are still excited. People steal one of preachers of hate and there arent long traditions of how it is a huge debate in the do it in a democracy do you people talk about heal the problems and in the ladies leave yet in the United States can for fighting tools they were killing each other the early in the eighteen century date they were taking pains in the senate and each other up so this is something it gets its not something that you want to see its not something you want supporters celebrate. But its something thats relatively typical of the young democracy. So i can im not worried if this is still going on in another fifty years i think. Probably should be wary. The signs of concern. Yes when you think that over the years they have to have lost taiwans democracy. It is moving in the right direction. Yes even though theyre still conflicts and is still inherent tensions already many parts of society by thinking people and learning braille when i will only want to make it is in with my pc will only learning that democracy should be a way of life can be a way that people interact and social future good thing we need to take the first break them up when walking back. Fan. It is. Six season. Steve. The welcome back to the second segment of the scroll and key on the cob while that on the host week will will will continue our composition without that the bill will wrestle who is currently an associate professor of the college Cup International fears that the national ten g university is that theres talk about the other two very important meal articles state that green one is on the you know changed i feel a assisting victims and constitutional models for taiwan and also the other ways of democracy and the roots of consensus frederick in taiwan and tell was hoovers about those two articles. Theyre both published in the american journal of chinese studies which is the journal of the newport instead he opted to import a society in the United States that that focuses on the greater Chinese Community but particularly on taiwan the first on cars possible constitutional changes i wrote. So four years ago actually before the latest round of constitutional changes in taiwan people were talking about what it is that it could be done to adjust taiwans on constitutional democracy and my argument and ive since found other people have made similar arguments argues that perhaps moving away from a president ial system would be good the president ial system is up. Our little more likely to turn into authoritarian regimes and the four young democracy that might still be a little yellow risk and it may be moving away from that of the dove president ial systems also candy create two large parties are two large blocks and cars are fighting over this very powerful office and so dividing into lots of blue. Parties doesnt allowed to compete so. But when you do that and then you see this in the United States to have these to be a major major parties. And. If it doesnt allow for people to be represented in and all of the diversity of their political opinions as well as a parliamentary system with a proportional representation system that allows for lots of parties now you have to strike a balance. I think two big parties is probably two feet. But if you look at what happened for example in russia right after the transition in nineteen ninety two they had hundreds of parties in that and thats just too many and it doesnt promote stability so that the ideal is to have four or five representative parties that allow everybody to find a home is where they feel like theyre comfortable with it i think with two big parties lots of people dont really feel it home. And he sees and knows is the direction that i once democracy this movie for its origin nice to be for the reform was needed. It moved away from that it did get away with with the latest constitutional changes in this majority carrion direction so what you find yours theirs consolidation in the blue camp and consolidation green cap. You know in so the smaller parties that use to be able to get a couple of seats in the legislative yet the not able to do that anywhere and i think thats a little bit worrisome in them id also be one reason why people are little more prone to go outside established institutions and demonstrate an aid camp down in front of the president s office and things like that. The hub of the other. The hero democracy and the roots of consensus but it can get along. And this was when i was really good actually came partly out of the bike lock up and its hard to better incorporate in the final chapter but as i was looking at. How is that people talk about democracy and other generally in taiwan when i found is lots of references to consensus. We need to have a consensus on this we need to have a consensus on that whether its gambling or Cross Strait Relations or whatever or if you know a new Nuclear Plant the need to have a consensus and the arguments that i saw said well what comes out of Chinese Culture. And im not convinced by that because Chinese Culture is quite diverse in eugene in very close right wing inclusive and diverse in their lots of different schools lots of different ways of looking at society that no confucianism is different from legalism is different from taoism. So i was unconvinced by this and and when i was looking at sun yet synching contact me to call there are lots of references to the need for them. The population to be united. With that and that what the government is doing is expressing the general will of the population its trying to tame the common good. And so my argument is is that you have to take those kinds of discussions into account. You have powerful leaders or in the case of sun yet cent of powerful founder of the republic insane. We need to come together is an entire people and express a common will. And so i think. In a more immediate sense thats where these conceptions of the consensus come from there might be some routes to go back into Chinese Culture but their courtney mediated by these other people. So i am an adsense site night. Indian design the cake in the book im not convinced that chinese coal to generate swan understanding of democracy is capable of those supporting several different models years. And that they do is go back in time the will of the day your email you a chair and regarded as a pay wall established a scholar on your College MarketSeattle School meal asian politics in general. And though why and why and when you first start your inches developing interest in the snow the open no democracy and overcome well my my general research area. It is. Understanding how it is that people make policy arguments. Oh and that goes all the way back to mike them to my dissertation which i did only group in india. So at high tide line. I wanted to look at policy arguments and increasingly i wanted to look at them comparatively on in terms of buying but dun work on in the eye then worked on in Great Britain ive done things in the United States. And when i married my wife nice taiwanese i had the opportunity to come here and start thinking about it other than another. Political culture in which ideas are debated policies or do they get new so it gave me yet another way of an another dimension of comparison. Yes and and discussions of democracy of course are are very important policy discussions and given the recent nature of taiwans transition that was something that i gravitated towards them. And though other people say that note they dont want him to start you know two new restraint on countries in many parts of the developing world for example Africa Latin America and then those seats that you mention you are new things how come you know compared to places in the suburb of doing some comparative studies ill with the development and peace you go to east asia and the overseas development in the nomad american accent thats a thats a possibility that are part of the problem is when you do things comparatively new half to master a whole new literature. So tight i actually started out in political theory them and at the time soviet studies. Yes me and so i thats what i was trained in the fall when i did my dissertation on india i had to catch up with the entire literature on india. Its when i did the things done today in the england which had to do with religious toleration and some imperialism up. Ive amassed another literature prize doing a stunt iguana have to master yet another leadership. So it takes quite a bit of time to be able to do that is and if i were to compare taiwan for example with countries in latin america. Theres been a tremendous amount of work done eleven america. Alot of the early discussions of the democratic transitions are real and american things in it. Im not sure that the hiking i can master it which is yes. But the pace on the observation up to the legal developments and hot one day that the war some of the more valuable lessons they use the towel was democratic transition has offered to the rest of the developing world who also thinking of going democracy one k white. I think the fact that it was successful despite the fact it was very complex and quality is very important to you. I think the people looking at taiwan and saying you know that this was a difficult in some ways it is a difficult transition you could argue its in the end to some degree i argue this new book from the goes all the way back to the early nineteen fifties with institution of local bubble actions. So it was a very long and in the case it was a very very long process of but it was eventually successful in school i think that something in support of the development of democracy that the cans with local elections is also i think very important and i think it may be very important for the mainland because theyd actually taken that step. And so if people can become used to holding official accountable movement which is one of the main colors of democracy this and the us officials can get used to being held accountable. And then you can m up to the regional level and eventually the national awhile back and the new way of of the transition. So i think that is an important thing. The story thingy is there was another difficulty in the transition which is no question of taiwans identity thieves and eight which is still ongoing but that didnt matter. An enticing for some countries they wanna settle the eye candy the issue first and then make the transition from bike thing tying one shows you dont have. You dont have to do that you dont have to wait. That identity can be part of the discussion of democracy itself. And though one thing that we dont walk and talk about is technology can be no interests of helping democracy milk until the end of the unit at the yearling emergence of social media right now especially the last five years old. Sir we have the impact of that democratic element can be many parts of the well bred including the United States track and how would you think the deal the social media. What have they impact the development of democracy in china. They could possibly help in two ways one is paid to help mobilize. Its the people who are interested in promoting democracy weve seen that in the color revolutions it weve seen that in the middle east and for showing the middle east its its sometimes turn violent. And thats always a problem that so its a possibility the other possible way that they can help. Is it can be a means for Holding Officials Accountable for that. People can identify problems they can point and again in the boat bring attention to problems. And. Officials and to some degree are forced to respond. This move unless they are capable of censoring the use of social media and and one fortunately weve seen that also happen in the soul of their third theres a boundary is. Of those in terms of the kind of technological of media. One part of the downed regained the ability of the government to censor the other boundary being the willingness of people to use it and for political purposes and not just in the note reading about cultural settings or the news pops on hold. We need to take another break on oprah what will be back in just two minutes. The sells says. The welcome back to todays programs he undercut one of the on post we will will will continue our conversation without that the villa rental whos currently an associate professor of the college of the International Fears that the national ten g university here in taiwan. They did was talk a little bit about the eu is rebalancing corps nation policy under president barack obama. Think i was a little bit about that policy how is it intended to reveal effective relations with new delhi to be treated us and was awaiting for now i see the huge Pacific Coast elites relations with china. Aida i think that the administration had looked avoided been happening in the world and with American Foreign policy over the past five ten or fifteen years and noticed that theres been quite a bit of attention paid to the middle east and of course attention had to be paid to afghanistan because of nine eleven but that the situation in the east asia in particular what is becoming more and more complex and the United States has had an interest in the pacific. Going all the way really back to the eighteen fifties with with trade between the United States and china whose missionaries coming over to china and sold the administration appeared to him to believe that it was necessary to redeploy american diplomatic and other assets into the area of at least in part two to engage china in its emergence into the world scene and then i think of the thinking was is that the United States just couldnt. Busy itself with the rest of the world and allow all. That theyd be in the pacific or we can to take care of itself because it didnt look like from the us perspective that it was going to be able to do that. And of course the known him since what happened on the nose nine eleven. The two thousand and one. You know theres been tremendous shift in us policy was to warn that global war on terror. Miranda and ill do a global war on terror is coming to you know some of the above conclusion the bill u s troops out of you know in afghanistan. Also on the skin over the iraq threat is so not the attention of deal turns to the seizure of the parts of the world. And though with the rebalancing procedure policy. Heres the eighty s probable conclusion that some people eat all that this would you know hes kind of complicate of very complex you know relations with china. And no soul mate neil policymakers can be changed very very nervous and thinking that the us is now packing feel that what china might consider it as his home territorial home turf and the tc that you know it will need to be linda feature inevitable. Neil conflicts between the two leading powers of the world today with a gift if you listen to what they say theyre saying no but they always say that if the people what who when british leaders and in german leaders are saying and nineteen candle and sang the same thing. There is always the possibility that an emerging power on is going to challenge the dominant power in one to change the world order so that its more amenable to its Interest Rates and to the degree that sweat thats what kind is doing in the region is its taking out its claims in the end of the various territories and of course edens indictments and so forth. And that complicates this relationship in particular with japan and south korea and japan and south korea are very close american ally. So you have a historical American Interest in the region and you have the other the emergence of china. Creating conflict with two very close allies. And then you have the United States as the only superpower in the world facing a Rising Economic power in china. So i think that those three things make it inevitable that the United States would be paying much closer attention to and one would think that china would realize that today would see that coming up and i sing to a certain degree that they have bought there are also pressing. Is there an agenda with their pressing their claims relatively aggressively on if you think about it and im eyeing the supposed that they believe that the United States isnt going to act very forcefully and given that the United States doesnt want to upset the world economy. Its from then given the fact that a lot of people in asia pacific by looking to see what washington would do next. You know despite the claim of rebalancing it was nice to know what happen last year deal in two thousand due october two thousand thirty at the apec summit. You know president barack obama because of two massive politics was not able to attend the summit had a lot of people so this has the feel disappointed and that this might be indication the us is not really serious about coming back into a genre that was key to a seizure. The one you agree with such an assessment. No i i dont think the bill is an indication that the us is in serious about it i think its an indication of the of the domestic problems that the United States and working through right now im in awe of it. Things are difficult in the United States has given the stresses of of economics. Given that the same search on several politically there is a very deep political tensions within the United States and the structure of government in the United States. Just makes it that much worse because the way that things are set up government isnt suppose to come to an easy agreement. It is supposed to be conflict are supposed to be checks and balances. And of those factors come into play when there are deep conflicts. So i ate i dont think that it says its a sign that the United States isnt serious. Its a sign that obama thought that it was unnecessary. Not to go to the summit because of the damage it would do to help. Given the problems that were going on at the time he can be flying off to asia and standing millions of dollars when they were the rest of the Government Shutdown and then just doesnt work all day and throughout the year two thousand thirteen gave it to be elaborate developments he sees you. You know your name mentioned about the tensions that were um you know surrounding hill in east tennessee and South China Sea else will you look at the heel of the situation regarding the treaty issue of law the regional trade blocs of now being formed and will would talk about our set and keep you all later. But given the fact that hell present obama was not able to attend yale the apec and also the sea to summit the last year and the nob hill Vice President you know chosen by them. The old tricks ups according to the trip feel to many of the important allies he sees her in November December of two thousand that in dili including countries like to mention japan and south korea and china. And what were some of the meal and most Important Missions then maybe you know Vice President you dont know why then have in mind when he parked on the trip was that because stuffed eu malacca with the cooperation of the year Defense Identification Zone but kind of forest because of the rising tension built between china and japan over delhi. Either its orleans because of the potential instability. The north korea which is for all of the above i think this is partly in all of the above and i think is partly an attempt to put an american official in asia given the fact that obama was unable to come early for now in him to do was stay was planned before the air defense of information as the thing came about. And that made it it grew in importance because of that theres a load of those. Of those age old problem of reading too much into this of the american Vice President s get sent off all the time on trips. Frankly they dont have anything else to do. So you know sometimes their entire job is to go off and can be no swearing in ceremonies and funerals. Im not entirely sure that biden is in that category but do they do. This was obviously something that was. Put on for an eon to give him something to do and to show u s interests and in the region it became more important given the events that took place immediately before he laughed. And that you know you couldnt cancel the trip know all you could substitute the president for him because that way. That would be really all i can so i think more responsibility was placed on him during that trip and was originally intended. And that night and i think what he does he try to do two things one is i think he tried to get japan and south korea on the same page. Its what i was there then. Darebin tensions there been historical tensions of course between youtube and thered been more recent tensions between this and that theyd they boasted of having united front in the us estimation they should of had a united front against china that but that didnt happen no no the south korea declares its own information so they overlap the part of china is unlikely that well start with part of japans and that creates tensions and in so when he was trying to do i think was to see some of the tension between those two still that a general plan could be in a room with regard to china with regard to china if you want to wait he asked of the chinese he didnt ask them to do away with that. With that information so nice it will be over United States has won it and so forth to the problem is is the overlapping parts. And so would he ask them to do was to engage in confidence Building Measures with other countries in the region and of the message again. You created to ease tension she created this mess and i its its up to you to defuse the tension you know dont dont use the isis antioch dont do these things and create tension and then stand back and say what everybody said so whys everybody said you should know why theyre upset and its up to you to you. And given the fact that you know the trip is now over and the tension this deal seems to be the ots to manila and then do we do think the trip was overall a success. I think so i write i think you is. I think was excess at least in part on and on both fronts open up and bite you dont know yet you dont know whats going to happen in the next few days and of that. It is clear that none of the three you are going to officially recognize those on this. All of them but they are going to to a certain extent complying with and as a practical matter because theyre not going to tell commercial airliners is go through when ignore the zone the prize is in you dont know what will happen of course of it. But you know the United States might fly more b fifty two using the you you dont know if thats good. I dont think so i think they did it the first time to make a point of this and then afterward said well we made our point and were probably not going to see more and less though theres some sort of exercises that you previously scheduled. We need to take the final break the program will be right back. Fan. I have. It is. Session. Says. The welcome back to the final part of these programs hell become law look on the host week will will will continue a costly route but this fascinating conversation with up to the villa rental whos currently im so stupid to sit off the college of International Affairs at the national can see university. Did that the spark a little bit about how one to match the space and people dressed in a split Neill Collins meal plans or intentions to join the Trans Pacific partnership ppp. Oh and we all know that without the support for washington come on what not be able to be invited as a guest to attend the thirtieth assembly of the international syllable Aviation Organization meeting in montreal in october of two thousand the team. And the given the fact that you know it i was also won the present mom made a very clear repeatedly that will like to be healed. Integrated economically on the regional level with specific reference to the us proposed a ppp no cost. And though we all know that you dont own one so some ways away as making of the western market open man making hell cut down some barriers to free trade. But though what word to say you know in terms of how ones prospects of becoming more often. Regional elites in the economic domain. Theres no clear and become a real member of the guilt part of the guilty pee pee in the foreseeable future. I think that the prospects are our good indie great guy to like it i sing to their good byes i think the United States who wants taiwan to become part of the ppp and other Regional Economic lot more unity of blocks that it is this a part of but the United States of course doesnt have the final say in the United States a sort of taken over ttp from others and i think of that pushes too hard. Theres going to be problems the United States is looking out for its own interest is. Its not. If it hits its not going to do things in it believes is is going to hurt its own interest and so its not necessarily going to give away its own capital negotiating capital to get taiwan into these so. The us will. Will support taiwan but i think there are definite limits to what is willing to do them to support taiwan okay i dont think its willing to pay a very heavy price. So when it comes to you know observer ship and in various International Organizations to have a practical purpose. I think the United States will support that. Theyre not going to make a big deal out of that day and i going to press very hard. All of them but i think that there is american support. I dont think either one should look to that support as his own condition yellow you know yet neither unconditional or as guaranteeing that timeline actually is going to get membership. And then of course there are also domestic things going on here in taiwan that day and i can provide problems of opening up. You know the Agricultural Sector is problematic for all countries the United States doesnt want to open up its Agricultural Sector friends doesnt wanna open up. Duke and doesnt wanna open up so it is a continual problem for those who think about free trade is being very beneficial. And and and free trade can be beneficial but some people benefit more than others and its always an ongoing political process to try to figure out this me out with who who wins and loses and and and and who should be paying the price is very interesting read that babies should mention lost all the political problems that we have here in town want this is to be here on this most recent trip. Some three plus years ago. The war some of the changes and developments. You have seen the town was the west the political divide. Other idea i think some of them are driven by the recent constitutional changes you again i mentioned before theres been a consolidation of the blue and green caps yes i said i think that the pocketbook the possibilities of a strong Third Party Candidate emerging and are much less than they were early in the two thousands years. I think that barry is. Again theres a greater acceptance of democracy and invite you to the greens theres a different kind of disillusionment. Also setting in on the margins of the earlier dissolution was theres too much conflict and things are good said was they were under the previous regime and now i think part of the unhappiness is there is not there is not people in the legislative the innards are not parties really represent my interests. And i think that theres going to put up a little bit of frustration with that in which two degree is a natural in a democracy not everybodys going to be able to be completely and fully represented. But i think that there was greater expectations that that would happen and that big and the constitutional changes i think of me that a little more tearful call. To attain than. There might be the taps to undo those changes in my life heard about in my book i talk about. You know theyre either been tense from the dpp that perhaps they might want to revisit the issue of its own. And though one thing that we cannot ignore this you know if we talk about the lindfield domestic developments from taiwan specially since two thousand and eight. One has the mind or was he elected to office whats the progress that we have seen in costly relations record china. And though over the last meals me almost six years now that the oman people would say you know on the one hand that deal with the crew men in relation to the gate through which i now economically is certainly helping heal the wonderful being a big boost. But taiwans economy doing the use of financial crisis and also the europeans top and debt crisis. But on the other hand you know theo so people you can really go see the opposition camp hill thinking that over the years to come one is now being slowly absorbed by the chinese economy but did you know huge potential in the chinese film as the market and a lot of the exodus of capital and then hell personnel. He still continues and aiming to reduce the hauling out the banks failed taking place at the launch of mine tom wants long term prospects though and these two views youll know one scene the position to say which one is no right to which one is wrong. But these two views who represent some of the common thinking you know wolf with the Development Across relations. Whats your take on this i think new politically things are much more stable and and and but thats a good thing he is using political tensions i think is the way she can say its not economically. Isnt it good as it is a very mixed kind of thing im on the one hand yes its that time one had to develop closer ties other economic ties. Ie i think going to be and much much worse economic shape. On the other hand there is a means of diversifying i think the invite i think both parties recognize that that there is a need to to diversify. Taiwans economic ties and i think a lot of the discussion about tying one being a Regional Economic cold winter its transportation or technology and so forth is an attempt to try to to develop that kind of understanding and think about positioning tide line is this gateway into asia which i think is an interesting concept of. Im not serious. China is going to allow that to happen or if its going to encourage than to have. I think it would be in their best interest to do so. All i think that having a prosperous tide line bag is able to continue to provide expertise and capital to the mainland. Its always in its interest. And its tied one only sees capital flight and in an intellectual flight to the mainland from there tnk tharees going tooe done abg come in the form ofeople whining. 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Well i know id been working on several things since this blog i ate i have another book coming out on an utopian and dystopian spoke of the arguments behind how it is that we can use utopia is and this copious to think about contemporary problems and all. Im also working on another book right now on people who have opposed american activist foreign policy. In particular we sent people such as ron Paul Chalmers johnson and noam chomsky. So im hoping to have that finished and my keychain. He is is is sort of scattered in the school that of International Relations of a league of American Government over the World Politics and my students are very good view of the taiwanese students i have very english. 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