Cooperation agreement on july test in two thousand to take the relationship is now even closer. On todays program where can i get to have mrs stephen pate and whos the director of the new zealand industry and commerce and Industry Office hitting taipei taiwan to share with us to stay off the bow tied to relations between new zealand and taiwan. Well come to provo and stephen thank you very much thank you for having me on your program and im delighted to get to talk to. Many people around the world about what new zealand and taiwan to be doing to get the recently yes and this silly thing applies here too happy on the program and then the one thats we discussed those new zealand has always had a very close relationship with taiwan in terms of tree comers Investment Education culture many areas. But neil gillis issued two landmark agreement Economic Cooperation between the two sides. Bill was signed on to like ten cm two thousand and eight. And the name of the agreement is called the agreement between new zealand and the separate customs territory of the Taiwan Police who came in and matsui on Economic Cooperation while and stacked social. What is the significance of signing up this Economic Cooperation thank you very much is that denying that the u s trade data to now full to the base is coated and stick to it at its worst its been a mainstay is certainly a significant development. For new zealand and taiwan. In forever nice to sit together tom. A mistake as both economic and political significance. Okay i think ultimately economically its probably more significant for new zealand than in taiwan because taiwan is such a big market economies even compared to the small black and im single review of the open market and bought it its its called Economic Significance of both of us and optimistically that i won of course its very significant because its the first such agreement that taiwan has been able to negotiate with an oecd member and economy. With that economy that is doesnt have formal diplomatic relations with taiwan and so do with menace to open up a pot and a pathway to protect others can follow the most sickening. It was done something thats very significant for both of its use and will stand the negotiation has taken place for the past few years and also lee was conducted in such a way that was scary how long did it the pto Legal Framework and which is the dead will be as neil some local folk model for other countries that might be interested in signing something similar but Economic Cooperation agreement with taiwan. Hell meet me to consider when even anyone in the future of sydney we had to find a way of doing this because in the absence of formal government cup and relations and how about we couldnt use to the normal approach. For the sorts of trade agreements or Economic Cooperation agreements and he and the pathway that we found was to negotiate as steward of the tm in this because we have both nimbus of the wto that night and the sorts of agreements. Ive generally it negotiated in terms of wto rules and they refer to the wto standards and wto approaches so it was in that role. Mean mean that all Legal Framework to it all and then use havent succeeded. Using this methodology has a twitter this is them. An approach that others stuff up on next thing im not thinking about it may not be the anyway as of the taiwan can negotiate with another common in the future for the sydney now we printed one way ok and will extended negotiations taking the number of years the lse human eye it mean that defra said he had discussed about this. And in the league in on the fact is they give us the pain you know periods of points being the negotiation process there were some differences between the two sides for example on this fee settlement. And then go with dinner at the moment or moments that the two sides held that he wears heels really too far apart on these issues and that we know how the people have problems with people with the ever moments like that they were very few are they waiting until they were very few of. Negotiation handle the sticks that relate to it and took the lead of two years since their last day of this i did actually its one of the fastest that new zealands if the company is certainly time. So we we formally announce that we werent stepping into been to this onto the pathway. In october two thousand with them we had had some discussions before that time preliminary discussions but the oct two thousand and we announce that we would both undertake independent studies excited to see if we wanted to proceed. Now i think a on both sides the puppy already done a bit with it. So those studies didnt take long itll take just one month later knighted in the two thousand uneven. We have formally announce that we would. Take this the knicks to get all of the joint study them and that was sweet we sat down to give a moment and we check to buy cat threw up what might be in the agreement has been talked about what we would want on outside what the side with one hand we built for the bonus that Common Ground peanuts and we tried to start that we have a sensitive issues would be ok and at the end of it consists in fact the new zealand side took the formal decision to proceed of club but i think i won it probably already decided at that point we have slightly different ways of doing the sling. And so the unknown. In july nineteen ninety two thousand total thats when we go once the negotiations for molly and i took a little bit every year. She seemed resigned in july this year with us since they had the ratification process is how we voted for the parliaments in both economies had to re define the meal and in that it has entered into force. I changed into force on the fist it does seem to be. So to just a little over two years and now you are developed from withering the points we we almost all go a little road with a win would not show with the we can proceed on inevitably he has a twist on the areas of difference and its one of negotiation as of now. Ended after a scrum. I think it would be no secret to say they have a new red light to take a Cocoa Products. In a particular what new zealand exports by waitakere Cocoa Products in taiwan. Tom and the seeds of a decent day at time concerns on the part of a can of coke from the ski and then im about to whither they can continue during production in the face of competition from new zealand me. Now the reality is that with very few real concerns like that new zealands agriculture and taiwan second coat of very different. Taiwan has a tropical subtropical agriculture new zealands temperate zone nine the nostril. So we come from each other very well including the native culture and thats why it seems the taiwan would be able to motivate the coco cooks from the ceiling. But there were a couple of the areas in particular. And if you look at the end the outcome of the year of the negotiation that you know that the that the agreement itself. On that in the areas where im from we have agreed to a long face and him so the current era productions take place over long period of time copious the two areas. Liquid milk can and do you feel up. No im not sure where the mania berowra of us would would of told the developer would be an issue then untied negotiation like this but it was because it is one area where we thought it from is producing the same product in time to teach me in competition with each other and held his hands. And so does so. Dell is really a point of contention because of me i can list the real sensitive issues i have to just sew them. There were a few other things but basically the negotiation and very well mostly think about it was a toddler can do with the teams on both sides we can turn on a thousand times yes im up to ultimately be successful. And that given the fact that deal with these negotiations took them to steal altogether fun start to finish. Over two years and then actual official negotiations with the lesson that bill fourteen months altogether people signing in july two thousand fifty. And the meal you mention the fact that because the two economies. Actually more complementary to each other saying hell cup competition against it. Also hell get to the fact that you know what will be pleasantly surprised but the fact that she said you know this is the first no such Economic Cooperation agreement thats how once i did with anybody in a livable a member of oecd has developed a comment. And though the practice hell come on isnt really being involved in this type of bilateral multilateral negotiation for some time those that do people feel the new zealand. What kind of surprise folks like myself pleasantly. They were able to move seemed so quickly. You know and since negotiation is such a short period of time i guess us apart is the only new zealand side to the people were a bit surprise to me that we would during the negotiation an old man. I mistakenly that we did the complete with as quickly as it did to me and reached a such a good conclusion to me and in every match official period of time okay. I would have the time to say that in response to your comment on this is not the first time that taiwan has been involved in technicolor jewels of course im the least having serious issues and in taiwan has some of the five of six that a good idea being that with some of your diplomatic allies set on the particularly from that right there from the wto accession is this which was a very big. The negotiation than the taiwanese they need economy inking the wto that im addicted theres a lot of experience they are reading and then we found that when he sat down at the table with taiwans and negotiate this they did this if it all seemed good. And though were looking at me on to regional pictures. We all know ourselves. Will that and then the signing of the aztec help me clean the ceiling tile wall was surly be a very important. Neil feels hell first that bobo sites in terms of becoming more active on the regionals. The ahl for example how one sortie. Hell sign the phone with china and also the oatmeal that new zealand is part of the ppp else all our stuff and that given the fact that note i was also trying to pee more often regional economics family. The asia pacific. Oh would you think hell truly from the uks meal your observer no point of view dad said this will help both sites into sub branch in l a and b p penetrating deeper into the other markets that might be of interest in the intermediate along with her. We shouldnt forget of course that he dreamt i was also signed with singapore heres another very important state that you take in a state has some up from new zealands point of view we negotiate over taiwan. Not as a state towards it i once that is a patient in ttp or us people or things like that we negotiated for financial reasons. Taiwan is a very important market for new zealand idea these times is the now tag team died just a tv in both the present pontiff the goods on end taiwan is a very reliable and loyal lack of adult meal we had some very longstanding that commercial relationships in this market which are very important to the new zealand high end media was to improve access to pile on the basis of and that we negotiated with the lace um i mean from taiwans what you mean i know the prison than others and pull them off about taiwans interest in joining the ppp youll very aware of whats going on in the region. And youre very wise to be falling the cuts because things are moving a particularly when ppp is is done and with os is happening in the least of the important developments. I answered taiwan needs to be thinking about the positioning itself to an end. Although it was a bit in a scene set our own hair and teach them. Neither the least i think the negotiation that the taiwan is now done with the zeal and in with the singapore for example and does it to the experience that i won already. It is and its more than just the negotiators at the table in the scenes id yell you you have to find team of negotiators from the ministry of economic status but the spirit of these agreements of the complicated than my info but the wide range of Government Agencies and and other organizations sometimes im in the wallabies have to have some experience. Its not in the end you who dont call those agencies nieces charity had the most experienced of these things and they have to develop that contains a three d experience of anstey is interesting that this helps you tube or something got the extent of the time the skill of popcorn might do more to it. And also consulting time. Privately as if were with them with industry with Key Stakeholders through the precious name so that people are surprised away by what to think and i get older or you its important to build up experience of reading this well exactly and then youve got the experience that so that you all are a bad day just like this have to pay he said that they come to this agreement or understanding what that is able to them able to see certain that all complete two to approve the its a very important for step one lot of heat detecting not to take negotiates the would you take the first break on the program will be back in just two minutes. It is. Session. Steve the sea the eye. Welcome back to the second of april then beyond that of wild look on the host read will will continue our conversation with mr stephen pate and acoustic director of the new zealand commerce and Industry Office here in taipei taiwan steve no more talking book signing off as it flew this talk about some of the intangibles built the process of course meal was finished in a little more than the year which is a meal possibly a record. And and that given the fact that the ot will win and then said motivation on both sites but you also some of old tactics that would use but both sides to try to demonstrate a sense of appreciation and sensitivity. Del course the position of your site up some of the more sensitive issues of the bill for example can indeed go sheesh and it was very little if gnome much at all in all of the News Coverage of the negotiation itself. And then the signing ceremony in on july ten. The pair we took place in the university. You know back home in wellington and then the deal also be known though very few if any no senior officials from either side. Hell presiding at the signing ceremony. Your the one of course represented you know in new zealand and the all the scene tentacles key to think that really helped interests of both sides help building up confidence each other. Also keep the negotiations is going for school. Well family is having those were important issues this out but it can i just distinguish between them into two states of issues please some one is question of how much publicity is given to a negotiation as the proceeds and from the negotiators point of view the un says that its the bits of clay now im. Its clear that the year the and to the legislation is another people like that. Umm would like to know what is going on but the reality is you cannot compare to the Trading Commission issue like this on the front page of the newspaper or woman on the internet not it does need a degree of confidentiality of its kind in the in quite a few people of our info and then consulted during the course of of negotiation and its important that both sides trying keeps take Key Stakeholders that hed been in touch with whats happening to them particularly those in the realm of the vm them the most sensitive issues which maggie. You need to be negotiated very carefully in the final stages but generally speaking its not helpful to have a lot of publicity. The end of this negotiation in that mistake was no different from any other one that the wood to conduct an outcome. So that viewers may be a winner of all the discussion thats going on around cpp for example and they have come there is more publicity to a pre negotiating round is being held in a different economy in a different city and that will not in our stakeholders are invited to come along so they can be priests during the course of two of the week or ten days of mom that if a man. Around this time. Inside theres a bit more. People want a lot more done with information about whats happening in the third layout being disappointed because uconn conduct a negotiation that way not in the in the case it was the realm of the straight fourth negotiation the wood seats to the peace that stakeholders with being consulted on both sides through the negotiation but we when telling the world it freed me to tweak it with something. And i dont think people would consider going down. Get the point where we came to us today to start is interesting to them with a fixed the bin there was a lot of consultation of people were wounded with them. A brief two thousand and eight there was opportunity to question to protect it and now they want it to the issues of the other set of issues is a is really about the fact that in the absence of the government a cup of the relationship and in terms of the one china policy that new zealand operates um we head to the conduct of the mission but differently to how we would do a normal the negotiation time. Ive already mentioned that we had to find a different legal basis is around the distinctive name bishops of the wto to abandon some other theory is we have to observe a certain form mohawk negotiation. So that we couldnt fit to keep what we wanted to do than he i make a distinction between form and substance. The substance was the important stuff inside to achieve that we had to observe certain form. For example gets there was a fitting the key signing ceremony held at them. A Sydney University in wellington a very attractive venue i have to say i tend to view this tea had some relationships with the proceeds. One of their academics that the matter independent study and look like they dont cause and effect of all i had the privilege of signing them rather than say new zealand he kept the minister was another way in which we had to adopt a different approach because of the circumstances but ultimately we have come up with that of a world class agreement. That no one has objected to go. In fact its being widely welcomed around the world and yet two articles in the economist magazine in the wall street journal about the disagreement in town. Now that doesnt happen with the knee. Other agreements that new zealand soccer has failed to say that so it was this very special circumstance we found a way of doing it and i think at the end of crosses everyones pretty please their large part of the credit goes to you and you keep staff in terms of keeping the negotiations your getting started. I also keep moving forward i think its fair or twelve they would be quite matched teams among both sides i had the privilege of sharing a common use it inside and out but we had others who would be to cut a shape its in that there is serious and then bam they went to have a good strong backup team and im sure it was the same on the title comes from. Then this tvb taiwan will over two years now. The youngest and art domestic political environment is very active for an amazing sometimes. And though let me answer this call was it you know that was it an easy sell to the people back on the new zealand phone one that developed economies like the siemens is now negotiating the deal of the meal tray cooperation Economic Cooperation agreement with somebody you dont have formal ties with beau was something that people back on what august and poise is something that you do to convince them that because of the attractiveness of the column marked it in all its people its mature than all that and then there is complementary to our all and does so people back on would accept it feel more easily than that it no one needed convincing. Ok so time is that it was a strongly welcome the woodwind when people realize that this is what we would tend to be able to do. I was very tasty. Now thats partly because we do have a history of bipartisan support for the stories of trade negotiations. New zealand a revised thirty heavily on exports. And we export. Motivate the poultry products which in the m in in the tide will now try this incident. They are some of them will protect its time have been puts it in in World Markets the eye and say new zealand has some long history of having too many fights. To open markets and reduce protectionism against our products around the world in time and would be doing the acidity of the many uses in successive governments that support that their hand and a strong interest and support from the news in the on the fifth of it. On this thing we already have a very open masters and nine people on the stain that we shouldnt try and protect their own industries. Even the from the weaker ones. Um we need to be competitive fun in the will to the sins that we have to try to be. With or without the economys save them from that point of view there was strong support from them i think probably some people was surprised when the government to announce that turner who has been cleaned out my office announced the user. We would be negotiating with taiwan some people may actually wanted to tumble with china think condemn that with this impact on the ferry could become tightly economic and political relationship we have to china. But once they realize that there was not the kind soon and that we have found a way of hope of negotiating with taiwan which of which would cause problems i think henry has been welcomed and when people have seen the good result the with the cheese together. The reef and more hippies that will quit the years and before we conclude this part of the program steve that you know this and stacked with new zealand is possibly one day you have to do the least amount of resistance will question is will race with income was legislature wharf of the feel from the at large but you know like you said theyre leading the probe and thats always the case. No new base on the ceiling snow experience. And the reopening not trying to heal tell the back all that we need to open up deals for imported goods tend to come p on the national level. Its never easy. And then the idea in the wheelbase yield on your experiences in the past again the statistics not that you dont know we we need to use it with this critique of pace but being the experiences maybe you can offer. Follow foreign diplomats to help respectable four representatives perspective. The meeting but come on feel to understand that this is the right direction that we should move forward. Well new zealand with through this process back in the nineteen nineties the particularly around the time that we negotiated stadium. The trade cream without the complete but has a name. And at that time you see there was a very protected him and been rather high school is the market is up and it was a painful process and it was a lot of opposition to it but at the time we were in rather pay the economic circumstances and i think the government was able to persuade people that we really had no choice now. But the tie when you dont want to be in a situation when you have to do it because he had no choice. Its that sense it too cute to see you you want to negotiate with the other with tonight ive come across the straits. I mean without those not from a position of strength in understanding and in so i think if if if the taiwanese people understand that other economies have gone through the sorts of difficult times and having to come to terms with typing up the markets to competition this time the narrabeen they will realize that the new taiwan is not unique the economy doing this. Doesnt mean they end up doing it to as we speak. Im here. Ofcom ill let you know it then you know to keep it close so i squeezed the life before use and by buying negotiating with the in this case d c london with singapore and as stockton to do the negotiations with china the experience of that era will i think will prove that before too long that there is bad news for goods Taiwanese Companies and stained and four others in taiwan he can be benefit consumers about the swoop in and it was certainly looking forward to that. We need to take another break on the program will be right back. I know. Six season. Steve. The welcome back to todays programme feel that i wanna look on hosting week will will will continue our conversation with mr stephen pate and whos the director of the new zealand commerce and Industry Office in taipei taiwan steve the best console that hell get down to get to know is whats the coverage often stacked what were some of the commercial activities that we include it in the bilateral cooperation well its because a little bit special and to them that for us its one of the most comprehensive agreement that weve been negotiating with the knee popped out of town its still all the traditional elements of am of the trade agreement and the goods and services in the basement to the customs in cooperation and not despising to include the trouble that will those sorts of things in the head of uncommon but weve also what did the same with regard to the eus time obesity tiger from isolation and speak to the new agreement like this is very important that an agreement on some other things this will help and most importantly it sits up its hits of dialogues between governments and the marine officials this time. So that when problems arise in the future that they can be maurice be dealt with because we know each other and we have to if youd like a hotline we have conte people we know that we do bring in things like that and so it sits out the sorts of discussions around technical barriers to trade. The round so the food safety and type this entry issues. Customs and ive been to. He also ran taken my place environment issues there are ranges based on notes which established the blues by the time. Bring on the two seats of officials much closer together now that theres other stuff in it which isnt unusual come up with some toys Gardening Services agreement of being inside a mistake you think these things might be negotiated separately and we had paid to the new services of arrangement the over twenty years but now weve been improved and we put into his confidence take the time and is a film and Television Co production agreement to begin something would normally be negotiated separately. But we thought what the hey baby i read that i hold it still is today sylvia is all put together is very comprehensive view and you said that the kenyan the probe and stephen day you do saying before the economic legal perspective that the impact of mean to boast of four economy would be great if with the zeal of what is the actual projection people see at the signing of the anesthetic for help the two economies in the long time. You know what what kind of the no poo so we likely to see in terms of trade and gdp growth possibly either one or two numbers are unknown prayed that it inevitably when you win you this do a study of what might be possible. Anytime you do that theyre awesome. Some of the comic is modeling the most you can use to help out but those numbers so im either the changes with time the only musician not a reliable dont like it no doubt that the volume of cook strait between youtube and the taiwanese title race. Yes im that even they have the visa commercial decisions that are the fed decisions that model the old war or officials can take a night to pee and commissioned this is the double sorts of things and if prices go up somewhere in the different markets have been maybe and if its the sort of product that can be thursday and the seat off to another knock at the short notice for example been getting these things one a fake book deal ultimately what the outcomes. I am the other thing is that the numbers e g a new bank would strike next. Mitch and arts groups and of course. We expect improvements in the service is that right between our economies and we sydney hope that they will be in basement new investment in both directions as a result of instinct. And in some mean things like transport agreement effectively it would now negotiate an open skies agreement and said that the airlines can fly as many fights as they want to and continues even today in between his eyes and sigh what is acting in this or not you its how to put numbers around these things. Also why this may i stay away from them. Believe me ask you would kneel in the one thing that people would actually expect following the signing of the air transport agreement is the heel area for tourists. You know there are some tourists going to new Zealand Built on taiwan and probably some coming from the ceiling to neo to come once a while. But though with the open sky the green in the dental school the deal with the air transport agreement in which a sign and then there are we to expect that the two tourists and to increase and also what will be some of the Tourist Attractions destination points today you know recommend for example you buy wood to keep my family to go to new zealand on holiday will be some of the places that you recommend as must see must do of course it is certainly how it needed tourism is growing. Nancy took a hit after the Global Financial crisis. And when it was said to them the reduction in flights between new zealand and taiwan. Yes ive got to the destructive be coming back into the bottom and that is soo this is the range that what happened coming into force of a mistake. Armenian doubts it can fight the week and a witty China Airlines was taking a poll says this about flying via straight into the zealand on a daily basis which is which is great and i and so we or he needed to increase and now work with this open skies agreement we have had. Its taken the pre show off all felines bacon bacon think. And in as new makeup come on stream looking five years down the tackling of a bacon bacon pie and knowing that they dont have to think about this this cap of seven flights a week in the milk they didnt think much more broadly. We are seeing growth and tourists particularly from taiwan to new zealand to the growth of the vet came to see two more honor and a nearly as the months that we have to see. Moreover the more mundane but we had before too long that we can get back to direct flights in which his office team at school convenient for both a business trip was the tourist info on the exporters who wanted to see different time so thats something wed we hope we can do that for long um. What would do a new family to wellness and the thing about these images for this such a broad range of offerings. You can go to new zealand and you can have either been experienced in in in the open for example we go to beaches and parks that you caught talks and youve got a casino in youve got my life and death. Abb think that shopping you to think for the city has to offer. Its a smaller city than here but its a very beautiful city can on a very beautiful meditation in the south island of course we have cross stitch which is now recovering from severe earthquakes of all of two years ago in almost three years ago now. Im crushed it is a very interesting place to visit and its still the gateway to the south island. Am i a goal the beautiful natural scenery of the south island. Im impressed if shell post and still are some shortage of hotels that are very interesting place to visit the station to see a city recovering like it does it sit there and thats what with considering been in the south island youve got to the queenstown and an all too many taiwanese go skiing you know which is a real shame because i like seeing my sil bought it in the season they carry around Queenstown Lakes the fields have iglesias the mountains its its beautiful and you can do all sorts of outdoor tourism. If you think that youre crazy you can go bungee jumping and how does one quarter dropping this hiking. Its its its the beautiful scenery that the people know about from the mold of the rings movies thats what they see to it and actually use this to hear that step out of the lord of rings is not this is not in the computer is the real thing is my entry. No but rather people from studies of some of their talks of peace even promise to welcome people and hear and see if the man experiences of love from him. The fishing and kayaking in the sea and on rivers the book is so much to do. The new zealand. Walking along and on gays in the annual selection of the film and tv production it has been good this is only part of it and stack up well when people knew him talk about the Film Industry in new zealand of course people think about. No blockbuster movie like the war of the rings vegetation and the end of which you really think that bill following the signing of the meal with the aztec there will be more Coal Production in the aerial film nails filmmaking else going to sell tv deal the Series Production while other programs. Collaborating became two cents well there are several elements be a tough guy and i think theyre awesome exciting possibilities with a steam engine the new zealand. And so Peter Dickson this time to reveal hollywoods great to get in. That has produced a vote of the rings and now the hope of movies that id just as taiwan has the frame this sunday. Hughes also makes a man. Its Pretty Amazing movies and now of hollywood movies if you like ive been in both new zealand and in taiwan you have another glass of old for a Film Industry. This mole a time. Local companies. It often but budget movies about local themes. And in the new zealand has a similar industry. It was. Its really the backbone of the Film Industry its way people buy it in their skills and develop their craft. And that and that the thing that Peter Jackson another time the baby directors can use but ive stuck to the real similarities. Im about to Film Industries of the table to know each other very well so i think the important thing now we have this agreement. We are. If there is a Co Production making it Financial Support from both that but scott months provided. We need to find ways of getting under it does to get that produces together learning about each other getting comfortable with each other. Exploring what sort of stories they might mutually find interesting and want to make into a film that is the third element in its Digital Content to which of course cuz it is isnt it does in a tv in it to him today became the standard dual sorts of things like that. India too. Im both taiwan and new zealand have small but quite strong in history. And lots of young people coming through thirty two to get into this. Now there is already contacted them between new zealand and taiwan in that area. It was helping supporting state and i think of that wall built in the futures will produce only looking for two good days ahead of last nights news we need to take the final breakdown program will be right back. Fan. I do. Six season. Steve eye. Welcome back to the final part of the strobe and feel the calm while but the hosts two week will will will continue our conversation with mr stephen pate and whos the director of the new zealand commerce and Industry Office in taipei taiwan. Steven was there and continued talk to my aunts tackle that one unique part of the agreement was t cooperation on issues related to indigenous people. And this is something very rare is probably one of a kind why was that part include the indians its its its it is unique and i think its a one off when all the way it did in the other it trade agreement to use or Economic Cooperation agreement negotiated by the knee. Here upon this anywhere else has done this and we would necessarily put it in any other agreement that either if it reflects a unique element in news the new zealand taiwan relationship has affected our Indigenous Peoples are recite it id been to the end of the scientists of the dead pretty much proves this. Look at the polynesian peoples which include the mari at the scene and id been paid to the region a beer and sistas agreed to make it from the spout of the world game can be linked back to at least some of tribes and both of taiwan. The links over there was already quite a lot of activity going on the one sort or another but we decided that im that we should celebrate this put it in and speak up and extend it and to create a framework in which case we can do more to get in the future. In that sydney the empty tomb but suffered a band that would lead to another aspect of the agreement also see it youll get some ill the attention paid to colt will be changes in your head between two sites and certainly would mention above the tv and Film Productions earlier and now we talk a million digits people cooperation. And then though we can beat any other you know areas related to his brother bill homegrown local court ruling changes cooperation that you can see in the years ahead. I think what you talked about the Main Elements of anstey cocaine but sydney there is an intention to do other things to dry between us said not necessarily under the umbrella are instead woke up and the big one coming up is some his pc and will be guest of honor at the Taipei International book exhibition in a brief twenty fifteen years. We would guest of honor at the frankfurt book seat which is the biggest book fair in the world. Last year and that there was a fig if it around to it and chose decided that wed like a cup of tea is before we did anything like this again. But it was appreciated in new zealand that the type able create a new book it is one of the most important of asia of course. And so do but weve given ourselves a cup of tea is here. I think that it complements during honestly what would be doing on that right side and even within stick. The week we are keen to have developed a relationship with taiwan and the end of the areas including issues to cope with it. As for the Indigenous Peoples chapter in the agreement which will have cocoa and a hard business elements to it. The film and television car production in government and the book fair and realize what else in the future of time with a bit the least important obstacle to its foundations in place and know that things can come up. The lst opportunities to come up. And for the remainder of programs even with the calm cool the body personal experience in taiwan. If the cereal bowl for two years then just before we get to combine into one other thing that links we have established a joint venture at it and come from all between the National Development from the taiwan is a new zealand into the basement from. And this is a this is a an amount of money hundred sixty million us dollars will allow that which is supported by both governments aim which is available to it and paste into privacy to preach Capital Funds in both the comics page and we are not getting quite a lot of interest on both sides of the war theory. Its so there are these the beach Capital Funds with a taiwanese front door and hes even found to have to demonstrate that by ri people that i have the knowledge and that links the seat of the contents contained in based in both economies at indian lake in the week and it is not concerned about what sort of for the sake of the diesel invited to work with the m i t or it could be a film fungal Something Like that we need em. Perhaps theres some sort of influence remains to cut that night that week. I kidding a stronger it the amount of interest from Bucky Zealand and taiwan in this than that we expected said its very exciting to say that the heat and stick to some extent on the supports and promotes the summit additional freight between us and Entertainment Services in the basement but my view related to that the thing to capital found i think. It taps into new areas we read into things to give a talk with us so that the stakes are high. Mel and get onto your personal experience hed come on you being here will burn two years. And then though what was observations of taiwan when you first arrive back in two thousand. Was this field i was in the first time visitor i visited once before when i was a thick senior official title comes through in fact i think that this is twice now but i didnt know taiwan very well okay um i need some taiwanese people were from new zealand in fact a month my wife was born in taiwan. Shes a chinese tea zealand from Southern China but to bow to finish and seven time that she was born here in thailand say theres something in the mix as well so i wasnt totally devoid of knowledge. I was very pleasantly surprised by what i found a thai place it very easy place to live. All these people would put a few theres a lot going on in and being a very stimulating the experience combat. I like hiking and some border the taiwanese bicycle. What i would meet with israeli goals more than a lot of us so i could identify two of those bills come to worst i do all kinds of bills of us liked him a moment of the banks. Do you think on tuesday at bookshops. And great coffee that would have a lot of them yet is that ended that i place an easy place to the campaign. Taiwan has been a great place to school my heaven being tuesday the prices of the facade like to mention having up to ten men. Um ive been up to him. Ive been up to friday an intended to cool in the nissan and to them still in the sixty points is honestly its theres still some places i want to get to the orphanage with it and then that given the fact that you be here lol for two years now what were some of the need to change its. They have seen me in placing along the sea the people becoming more internationally oriented are you looking at you know it seems has become the more the older mature in terms of the pmr tip of the uss time well im the second the decisions of that ability taipei is improving all the time because of the new mixer lines right thing up it places like that creates a pox. In some of the new infrastructure that is being built the new expressway something. Its becoming an easy place to double the time comes. Mike my chinese is improving slightly so that helps me in the to get some of what taiwanese people its still not very good but the other thing that i be the nicest is this the um practice in the relationship between china and taiwan. And things are moving rapidly obesity and getting into some seats in the areas around to some of the tight negotiations but this time much more happening as well other than the chinese and taiwanese tourists who are going backwards and forwards and when you when you think of the numbers of both. Now even just five years ago they would just be non essential things. And of course that creates opportunities for taiwan not in the china then it creates opportunities for the rest of this as well. So thats to be a very Interesting Development that to follow them into an alliance with what has obama been left in the program stephen. If i would ask you to skip one or two experiences moments though and you know it has something to apo still doubt theres really no mind. They are doing it i mean come on what would that be what all to see some of these to the modern myths associated with and speak at the signing ceremony and things by zach are not the opportunity to discuss these with you would need is some of taiwans status of tibet. Um thats been though this being the very significant moments to make a bottle side of it to one of the fist things that happened when i fist. I came to taipei and thats it just immediately after the crust into quite the sea can make a quick weeknight when a number of people died including one Young Taiwanese woman the outpouring of support from from the taiwanese government from taiwanese people that the events that to me speaking the queens that i need some of the people involved. I painted it. We wish we would disown the priest of the of the support that we that we received and that we felt from taiwan in shortly afterwards of course was the poker scene earthquake and tsunami and one watched sarah taiwan respond to that time bb from the from the past. And from the pulpit and numb and yet but it does a great mimis that there are those toby look at that time with these people and that isnt a reason to take with me when i would often. And finally if you were to write letters to people feel friends and family back all the talk of body experience in taiwan. What would it be well i think i went a bit of a hidden secret. This is a lovely place to come. Very friendly people like easier than this. So to ibd encourage people to come and take a look for themselves. I havent been to the faith that this was a little. Yes stephen thank you very much will be just as he gets on the program today wanna wish you all the best you personal professional endeavors in the future. 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