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On a Tuesday September 10th a very good evening to you I'm Larry Perella Here's what's happening at 7 o 4 state lawmakers have approved a bill that will put a damper on the trumpet ministrations push to establish new oil and gas wells on protected land in California Gillum says the bill is an extension of legislation signed by former Governor Brown last year. The legislation signed by Brown prevented the building of pipelines Piers wharves or other means of getting oil from off the coast to the shore this bill sent to Governor Gavin Newsom's desk would similarly block new oil and gas projects in federally protected areas from installing pipelines or other infrastructure across state land the bill's authors the Democrats in the South Bay He tells The L.A. Times the bill is all about fighting the trumpet ministration and preserving California's National Monuments and protected lands Marts issues proposal would join a host of other laws passed by the state to counteract the administration's efforts to rollback environmental protections and promote resource extraction The bill also prevents state agencies from green lighting any energy infrastructure on federally protected land opponents say the bill is a job killer and would boost reliance on foreign oil the father of a 9 year old boy found at the bottom of a pool in Inglewood says he still doesn't know how the tragedy could have happened those of my concern how did he get in the pool had to get in that gate. Of the airport as he was diagnosed with autism was visiting his mother Sunday before wandering away from her car later that afternoon his body was found a few hours later his father remembers him as a good natured and playful boy he makes you happy you know you see he's funny and certain Conway. Had to be in for severe had been in foster care and both parents were working on regaining full custody his mother says she believes he was upset going back to his foster mother's home which may have prompted him to try and escape an investigation is ongoing people have battled for years over public access to the beaches at the privately owned Hollister ranch in Santa Barbara County but a bill on Governor nuisance death could put that argument to rest Eric Roy with more on efforts to open up one of the most pristine stretches of coastline in California for decades wealthy homeowners have kept the public away from homeless to ranches beaches even though all ocean beaches in California are public property under state law howls of protest went up last year after the California Coastal Commission agreed to a deal which granted access only to landowners their guests visitors with guides and anyone who could swim. Surf boat or kayak their way to the beaches of Santa Barbara judge temporarily blocked the deal the bill sent to the governor Monday requires that the public be allowed to enter Hollister ranch by land to get to at least some of the shoreline by April 2022 further access would be spelled out in a comprehensive plan to be drafted over the next 2 years the Hollister range board of directors claims they have largely been left out of the legislative process and they say some of the bills mandates are legally questionable and the waters off the southern California coast are not usually reddish brown in color but some spots this month are just that the so-called red tide was 1st spotted last week off the Manhattan Beach pier Roundhouse a Korean official Valerie Hill says the color is caused by an algal bloom some of these blooms can be harmful but no health warnings have been issued in connection with this red tide Support for N.P.R. Comes from. So. There it is Support for N.P.R. 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The Michael Cohen hearing didn't work out the way they want to work out the way they wanted and of course the Bob Miller hearing that investigation didn't work out the way they wanted but that doesn't stop and they're going to continue to push this ridiculous impeachment narrative at the at the cost of the 1st things you learn in college economics class $1.00 o one is opportunity cost so when they're focused on this war Listen PIETSCHMANN require inquiry you're not getting done the things we need to be doing like fixing the border situation dealing with the intellectuals theft of intellectual property of China that's Ohio Republican Jim Jordan speaking to Fox and Friends yesterday about how the Democrats priorities as Congress returns from its summer recess this week well i'm day one House Democrats revved up their investigations of President Trump and his associates Burbank Democrat Adam Schefter remains one of the key players in those probes has had of the House Intelligence Committee he's overseeing ongoing investigations into the tram campaign's contacts with Russia with Trump's financial ties to 2 big banks Deutsche Bank and Capital One and now a new lock into the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and his dealings with Ukraine Congressman Schiff trying to be now welcome. Thank you it's great to be with you well before we get to all of that I just want to get your reaction 1st to the news today that national security adviser John Bolton is no longer with the administration Trump said he had disagreed strongly with many of Bolton suggestions on Iran North Korea and Afghanistan what is your reaction Well I think John Bolton was always a terrible choice as national security advisor someone who had a very bombastic reputation even before the job and I think proved all of his demands well in the job but of course with the trumpet Mr ation it's always an issue of replacing bad often with worse so I'm not sure who will follow or whether we'll be even worse than Bolton but a bold was a was a pretty terrible choice to begin with well saying that Secretary of State my pump had disagreed a lot with him and perhaps there were a lot of internal disagreements and Pompei it seems to have won out does that reassure you in some way that foreign policy will be on a somewhat even keel. No because the foreign policy is driven by the president and the President is nothing if not erratic and we've seen that time and time again with the initiatives the president has been involved and then like pump a 0 has the North Korean initiative for example the repeated ill prepared ill thought out some months with Kim Jong Un which have done nothing but enhance the North Korean dictator's status have resulted in the loss of joint military exercises with the United States and our South Korean allies and brought us nothing once again the North Koreans are testing missiles they continue to develop their nuclear program and the president maintains that he's in the love affair with Kim Jong un and that's perfectly copacetic for my pump A.O. So they have been single and dangerously ineffective and I think that we. Saw the lack of thought and preparation in this ill fated. Summit with the Talabani at Camp David as yet another illustration of just how dysfunctional their whole team and White House is well what about the overall idea of talking with the Taliban perhaps not a Camp David or in Washington but talking with them and and trying to hammer out a peace deal I think we're going to have to talk with them we have been talk with them and we should talk with them there's only one way to ultimately resolve this is it's going to have to be a peaceful resolution it appears that the negotiations have made a lot of progress but they haven't resulted in a final agreement but the president was insistent on inserting himself in the middle of it by hosting this made for T.V. Reality T.V. Production the Camp David which ended up partly blowing up the agreement and that may have set back those discussions significantly Let's talk about this investigation into Rudy Giuliani and what was going on in Ukraine what exactly are you looking into. Giuliani has made no secret of the fact that he is trying to get the government of Ukraine to interfere politically to help Donald Trump in the next election by investigating. The rival that the president is apparently most concerned about Joe Biden investigating his son. And it appears that Giuliani and Trump of gotten exactly the wrong message from the 2016 debacle with Russia and that is that they can seek for help and get away with it because that's what they're doing once again and at the same time they're trying to get the Ukraine government to help investigate their opponent they're also withholding desperately needed military assistance to Ukraine to fight off the Russians and that's something that was approved on a bipartisan basis and the idea that they would withhold that support even while they're improperly and potentially illegally seeking Ukraine's assistance in the next election is the subject of our investigation and just to give people the context in case they don't know the story and the details in it you are investigating whether or not a prosecutor was pressured into investigating the presence of Hunter Biden on a Ukrainian board he was on the board of a Ukrainian company and the prosecutor looked into whether or not there was anything improper with Hunter Biden and the few Crane and Company. Yes I mean there's never been any allegation of impropriety involving Joe Biden in all of this but nonetheless the president thinks that if he can get Ukraine to somehow tar the vice president's son that will impact the Biden campaign and so Giuliani's made no secret of his ambition indeed he was asked I think just yesterday. What do you what do you think about seeking foreign help. In the context of this Alexion and his answer was. What so what and that is apparently the Trump view of things which is it is not illegal I think it is illegal I think it's absolutely go but they seem to have decided that because the president is immune from indictment that they can continue seeking foreign assistance in presidential elections and our efforts to investigate this to flesh out the facts of it to put pressure on administration to provide the military assistance that it should have provided to Ukraine we hope will not only result in facts that are relevant to our own processes here in the house may be relevant to the Justice Department when the president leaves office but they will also exercise exercise a deterrent function on any improper for assistance by the Ukraine government so distant so I'm clear are are you saying that there is a link between the foreign aid which is about $250000000.00 The time administration threatening to withhold it and his campaign's desire to get dirt on Hunter Biden and by extension Joe Biden I think that there is a direct link Well you know we know both are going on the same time the military assistance has been authorized the administration is holding it up and the same time the president's making it clear through his emissary this is what I want from you now whether they have made an explicit quid pro quo our investigation will determine but it's not lost on Ukraine whether they make it explicit or not that they're desperately in need of this military assistance and there is something that the president desperately wants from them. Are you still pursuing leads that could lead to an impeachment of President Trump you know I think certainly what we're looking at of the Intelligence Committee with the Judiciary Committee the Oversight Committee the Financial Services Committee are looking at could lead to an impeachment. And you know the president with his violations of the Emoluments Clause with the illegal receipt of assistance during the last campaign not just in terms of Russia but also in terms of prohibited corporate contributions the Such money payments to try to influence the election by keeping damaging material from from the public all of these things and many more could become the grounds for impeachment and that is something we are certainly weighing in addition to the president's obstruction of Congress the lawful function of Congress because we have I think the most comprehensive stonewalling of congressional oversight. In history . OK Even though Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem to be terribly in favor of pursuing impeachment at this moment House leadership and also the majority of the American public is not behind it so does that weigh on you in any way as you pursue this inquiry. What weighs on me is. 2 things really I think you are going for impeachment is also the strongest argument against it and that is the. Idea that this president's conduct is somehow compatible with Office the idea that you could commit these kind of acts and not be impeached is a disturbing precedent at the same time if he isn't PH then acquitted in the Senate. And adjudication that this conduct is not impeachable is equally troubling So this is the dilemma that we face. It may be that the president leaves us no choice but to impeach him but I haven't reached that conclusion yet OK you are introducing a bill that would criminalize domestic terrorism attacks with the goal of targeting white supremacist groups but the A.C.L.U. Is really pushing back against that saying that this bill might have the opposite effect could be used to target minorities or other marginalized communities. What do you make of that that opposition and would you change your bill to factor that in. I can certainly understand the concern people have over giving this president any new authority. The reality is that we have not investigated and prosecuted and devoted the resources to domestic terror that we have to international terror and I think many of the minority communities and states have been the victims of that policy of disequilibrium that we don't view domestic terror as. As seriously as we do international terror. But I think the answer is not the status quo it's not to do nothing it's not to withhold the privatization of going after domestic terror because of a fear that the administration might abuse the authority it's to shape the authority in a way to make that not possible and one of the things that we have. Done in the bill is we have provided no authority for the designation of domestic organizations as terrorist organization or that authority exists in the international context but we don't duplicate it here because we are concerned the administration could use that improperly. But we do think that the putting these crimes at the same level of equivalence is important we think devoting the same resources as it is important because frankly Americans now on American soil are more likely to be the victim of a act of domestic terror than they are to be a victim of international terror and for somebody that's at a Kmart and mowed down with an A K $47.00 they it makes little difference whether the holder of that case $47.00 is internationally or domestically inspired terrorists the fact is they went there to commit mayhem and providing these new authorities we think will provide the focus and priority of domestic terror that it is it needs and deserves and I'm sure if he's the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee thank you thank you. Coming out of the respected editor of a local newspaper is fired as a new company takes over the uncertain future of the L A downtown news next on press. 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As bunker hill chavez a ravine are angels fight for the last 2 decades he's been reporting on our city mainly on the downtown part of our city and watching it change big changes recently his 15 year rom at the los angeles downtown news came to an abrupt and surprising and he is now no longer editor of the l.a. Downtown news john regardie joins me now hi thank you madeline hi hi well so your departure of prop to as i just described it i suppose not your choice anything you want to talk about regarding mout well you know as as you said it was e.o. It was a wonderful 15 year run a got to cover a lot of happenings other papered been around for 47 years but it was us old last month to a new owner so no my departure was a neither of my decision nor my desire but look we've seen these things happen the you know in newspapers across the country it is part of the game do you know what their plans are for the paper oh you know from what you're from what i hear they intend who are you know keep downtown ooze going n.d.o. Gosh i hope they do and i hope it's great because this community really needs a good thriving newspaper the covers the heck out of everything going on in downtown l.a. So i'm really hopeful that the a covered will be a strong as it always has been right well the stories in downtown l.a. a Really the stories of allah valet right a mean their city hall Of course we've got the government offices there and the political power there of course the headquarters for the L.A.P.D. But also you have this incredible expanding real estate all this construction of big buildings office towers people are living there now. And brands are really high there's a gigantic homeless population that really is a microcosm of everything that's happening in Los Angeles right. Absolutely it is ending you know and one of the things that you specifically mentioned there you know you know what was that growth and what you know which which I think is phenomenal because one of my favorite parts of chronicling downtown for all this time was literally seeing what might have been described as almost a decaying urban core you know come back and blossom into this vibrant 247 community you know I still remember the day when a brash young New York developer named Tom Gilmore called me up said John come meet me at the corner of 4th and Main streets I showed up there you know he pointed you know and this was a rough corner it was right on the edge of Skid Row He pointed to these 3 buildings had I just bought that I just bought that and I just bought that and I'm going to build apartments and all those you know I thought Tom was nuts Tom knew people thought he was nuts and he literally said to me people say the neighborhood is lousy Well I just bought the neighborhood that ended up being the 1st step into this really residential revolution that we saw in downtown 1st end up being other developers like Tom who would buy these defunct old office buildings work through what was called the adaptive reuse ordinance turn them into apartments then later we started you know things slowed down during the recession but then after that there were more projects and we started to see a rush of national and international developers and you know you'd see some 7 storey buildings then you start to see these you know huge glass and steel skyscrapers I mean ultimately we've got to a situation where downtown which had about 800000 residents at the turn of the millennium it's now got 75000 residents and it's this vibrant buzzing hub I mean you know as a downtown news I got to see this area be reclaimed it was amazing to cover Yeah well and also stunning to see the absolute highs and lows of downtown right I mean as you're talking about these new residents moving in they're largely wealthier residents who can afford the higher rounds but you know living literally at their doorstep are people who can't afford a place to live or can't afford a meal Yeah and you know covering homelessness you know it's long been one of the most frustrating you know. Elements of my time at downtown news but I do like to think that you know for better or worse we you know we were ahead of the curve in terms of covering homelessness because of the presence in the downtown of Skid Row And what's really frustrating is that so many of the issues that we reported on a long time ago they still persists today in fact there were even a couple you know Casey R.W. Staffers now who were formerly reporters of downtown news they did some amazing stories you know year and a Scott she was writing about efforts to you know get restrooms and hygiene facilities in Skid Row You know a decade ago Evan George over at your station I still remember an amazing piece he did about homeless individuals who were being given you know snacks and treats to sign petitions to wind up on the ballot still things that have persisted you know one of the pieces that I'm most proud of that I worked on was a 3 part series a reporter named Ryan Valen court did back in 2011 it was called Skid Row's perfect storm and over those 3 weeks he laid out detailed some of the situations and factors that were contributing to a burgeoning homelessness crisis now I'm not going to say we full on predicted you know what would happen with homelessness but we did lay out a lot of details the magnitude is worse than we could ever and you have anticipated but you know the clues were there as you correctly noted just a moment ago yes it was part of the highs and lows you know of covering this unique community talk of the politics the politics in city hall and in downtown in general you called it in your goodbye column the gift that keeps on giving what do you mean by that specifically Well you know one of my favorite parts of downtown news was a weekly political humor column that I wrote the Regardie report and there was just this amazing cast of characters in these bizarre unlikely stories I mean every so often I you know I you know I almost would think gosh were all these politicians getting together and going oh OK well we've got to blow something up and give the media. Something to write about who wants to be next you know we you know I was able to chronicle you know the rise and hard fall of Antonio Virago suffer the past 6 years I was able to chronicle you know the ups and downs of Mayor Eric Garcetti there have been real characters former city attorney Carmen true tannish current sheriff Alex V. In a wave and you know then there was the guy who you know represented downtown for the last 12 years City Councilman Jose weeds are very popular liked by a lot of people for a long time and then of course last November his office and home were suddenly raided by the F.B.I. We saw that So all of these things have just been really amazing incredible stories to cover it's never gotten dull in downtown L.A. But you do point to something that is increasingly of concern not only here in Los Angeles but nationwide and that is this economy is making it a lot more difficult for our local out let's to publish journalism local journalism to thrive it's just you see newspapers closing across the country are you worried that yes with your departure and with a general pressure on media these days that there won't be those eyes on power players like. People in the city will absolutely and I think it's something that we should all be you know worried about you know certainly where you know as you point out we've been seeing newspapers decimated you know across the country and you know while it's a great time for you know that while there's never been a better time for the spread of information it's a really tough time for traditional journalism and you know there does need to be this watchdog approach you know I think we can all agree on that and again particularly you know for this community for downtown L.A. It really needs a strong voice you know a quality publication able to you know comment and report. on what's going on there because you talking about $1000000000.00 projects in that area you're talking about a community were $400000.00 people work each day that's larger than a lot of full cities so you know i'm really hopeful of the not jest downtown news but you know weekly newspapers daily newspapers were websites radio stations t.v. Stations independent journalist across the country can do this job because it's vital yeah absolutely well i'm hopeful you will find an of a perch to do that as wow my best of luck to you and it's always great talking with you thank you so much matalan i appreciated john regard from or editor of the las angeles down down well you heard at their put eloquently by john mccarty at journalism is under threat lots of local news outlets are drying up for lack of support so that's why we have to come to you twice a year to ask you to do your part to keep us on the it's that simple $1605.00 or join we have lots of thank you want $32.00 a month you can get a new york times and n l a times so there you go you get 3 great news outlets for at the price of $32.00 a mob com and thank you coming up 5 years ago a palestinian teenager was kidnapped off this burned alive he became a martyr for the power and his father with instantly turned into the leader of a political movement a jerusalem urchin the few hours In a position to represent the resistance of an entire nation a conversation with one of the directors of our boy the new H.B.O. 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This is press play on case here at Ali I'm Madeleine Brand it's Tuesday that means it's time for our regular T.V. On the radio segment and for today we're going to talk about a controversial show airing on H.B.O. Called our boy it's about the murder of a Palestinian teenager and the aftermath Mohammad Abu career was kidnapped and burned alive by 3 Israeli Jews that murder was in response to an earlier kidnapping and killing of 3 Jewish teens by Hamas and this all took place 5 years ago in Israel during the summer of 2014 that led to a 50 day war in Gaza and which thousands of Palestinians were killed 5 Israeli. Millions and scores of Israeli soldiers were also killed our boys is a fictional story but it really tracks real life events obviously and it intersperses documentary footage in it it's airing in Israel too and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has condemned it he called it anti-Semitic propaganda and has called for Israelis to boycott the television network accusing it of committing a terror act against democracy Grant talk about all this now with one of the creators of the show just Cedar He joins me now welcome thank you hi OK So are you surprised at all by the reaction by the prime minister to your show. I was surprised when it happened but when I think about it when you know there's actual anti-Semitism in the world and some of those anti semites are boycotting Israeli culture so calling us Israeli Jewish filmmakers at least 2 of the 3. Are Jewish and Israeli who are deeply rooted in our in our heritage in our religion and are proud of that calling us anti-Semitic is is upsetting and I don't want to try to interpret his motivations I think they're not they're not really connected to the content of our show OK Well let's talk about the content and how it was written in the 1st place as you say you wrote it along with another Israeli and Palestinian Can you talk about that process Yes So the 1st mandate came from H.B.O. H.B.O. Spoke with an Israeli company called cash it and suggested a show that takes place in the summer of 2014 in Israel H.B.O. . To their credit didn't tell us what the story should be about but they wanted something done from the inside by Israelis. That would help viewers I get get an insider's look into into what happened in the summer so that's how we began after a few months of research we realized that the murder of the year it was interesting for us as Israelis This was before there was a Palestinian partner involved there was something terribly upsetting and shocking about the notion that Jews can do something like this and as why was that so upsetting and shocking because after all it's you had killed Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. This is true and yet and that's shocking on its own right yeah. This was just our feeling when it happened I know I can speak for myself. At 1st I I thought it just can't get worse we. We found ourselves getting you know going lower and lower into this really tribal hatred and the morning. Muhammad there was found I thought this is this is just terrible everything's out of control and I knew it was Jews even though people around me couldn't believe it but I understand that denial because. It's not how how we see ourselves and that in itself was very interesting to us why can't we see ourselves as as these cruel murderers so this this was all material that from an Israeli point of view was not obvious it was extremely sensitive we knew that. And really interesting dramatically we wanted to know who these murderers were and I think what turned this into a series for me was. Finding out who these murderers were and realizing that they're not they're not monsters I recognize them or at least one of them. There was a 29 year old's business person who he had an eye where store and his 2 minor 16 year old nephews who who murdered Muhammad the year one of these 16 year olds was a. Sweet. Boy with some problems but Mark sensitive and and when we when we found out something about his his his personal circumstance. We knew this was a story we could spend a few years working on so that was our motivation and then once we once we set out on this route we knew that we needed a Palestinian partner to tell the Palestinian side this was also an important principle for us we can tell a story about ourselves but we don't presume to understand the nuances of the Palestinian side of the story so we we invited Tuffy couple while who was in a great Israeli Palestinian filmmaker or I should say Palestinian with Israeli citizenship filmmaker. Who came in and and took the Palestinian side of the story. On himself he wrote and directed the scenes that involved a Palestinian characters and when Palestinians meet Israelis we would write the scenes together and we would direct them together we've been made on set can you give me an example of one of those circumstances where you were in the room with ham and he wrote something and you were just either initially disagreed with it or you just surprised by that perspective OK So there are 2 things that. That shape this show and there's there's a political side and there are a lot of political issues that come up in the story but there are also just you know there are. Character arcs and the 3 of us Guy to feet and I. We're not we're not political writers and this is the 1st time we've done something that is so straightforwardly about the conflict so we were drawn to understanding the character before anything else. The father Omaha Madame who. Is someone who. Who became a public figure because his son was the most famous martyr of the conflict or at least the most famous in the last couple of decades so understanding his character a Jerusalem urgent someone who gets along with everyone who suddenly really suddenly get within a few hours finds himself in a position to represent the resistance of and entire nation really not not knowing what his role is and ultimately acting just on his fatherly instincts these are things that I can definitely understand but with I'll tell feek bringing life into it we would have never reached such nuance and the father's name is Hussein Ibish there. In the 2nd half of the series he's he's under tremendous pressure not to cooperate with the Israeli legal system. I wonder if you can explain that pressure because to an outsider it's a little hard to understand here is the Israeli prosecutor prosecuting these Israeli Jews for this murder of a Palestinian are an Arab israeli I should say and the goal is to get a conviction. But they are all on the same side if you will in the larger conflict they're all Israeli Jews and so is that why the father. Hussein is so suspicious that he doesn't think that the prosecutor will really try to put these 3 behind bars so as we said in the beginning Israelis didn't want to believe that Jews could commit such a horrific crime and in the 1st couple of episodes most Israelis really deny that it's them but then when they can't tonight anymore or when we can't tonight anymore . The next step was how do we present this to the world and one way to present it is that this isn't something that reflects Israeli society in general it's one crazy person and his 2. You know vulnerable nephews who couldn't resist who did this isolated thing but it doesn't really say anything about our our values now in order for that to be the message. You have to prove in court that at least one of these killers though the older one is legally insane in the story there is another 4 back to be a plausible defense line for his defense lawyers. And that's on the one hand on the other hand the Israeli establishment represented at this point in the story by the prosecution knew that if the key murder was found innocent because of insanity. The entire Israeli legal system would be put into question because it would mean that they're not really punishing these murderers so they had an interest of showing the world that the Israeli legal system is so autonomous and. And has such integrity professional integrity legal integrity that it will do everything to disprove this insanity claim and find this murderer responsible for his actions. So these 2 forces are happening within Israeli society and between these 2 forces there is a Palestinian father who is afraid that the murder of his son will be found innocent because he's insane and at the same time can't really scribed to the Israeli establishment efforts to prove him guilty because that would be normalizing the Israeli democracy by granting it the legitimacy of like if the father of the year is telling the world that the Israeli legal system is doing a good job. In his circle of reference that would be normalizing something that. He doesn't want you know there's another very interesting character in the series and seem on she Mond Simon he says he's the one who cracks the case he's the investigator the internal He's with the Shin Bet I guess. And he's Jewish obviously but here he is trying to track down the killers whom he knew instantly were Jewish and but he is then castigated as a traitor. I guess he's he's also called anti-Semitic and his brother is very observant his brother is against him doing this it's really tearing his own family apart and yet he has to keep doing it and then he suffers at the end for that Simone is played by an actor named Salome of combat's he's a pretty high ranking. Operative in the Jewish division of the shock or what Americans call the bet and see most job is to find the murderers as fast as possible because as long as they're at large everything is out of control so he suddenly has this really important job and in order to carry out this job. He ends up using his personal connections and that's where it gets dramatically complicated he finds out that the killers are actually really close to him personally and that there's a family connection and that in the way that for him to get close to them and collect evidence about them is to use those his his personal knowledge and those family connections. So for us as as storytellers as filmmakers This of course is is fantastic material but I don't think it's that the tach from from their reality of any Israeli in the Jewish division Israel's not a big country and in order to infiltrate any kind of you know closed community and Israeli would need to use something that he brings from his personal life and he gets close to one of the murderers the one that you described earlier as the sensitive issue of a boy who has less culpability than the other 2 and there's a moment at the trial where he could have saved him and he doesn't. He makes a decision that his job and his duties to ensure a conviction are more important than. That then the human side because he knows he knows who instigated this and who's who and where the real responsibility lies. And many but he doesn't do that so cmon is a proxy for us Simone is the character in the story that. I think is voicing or inhabiting our own set the creator sentiments within the context of the story that's that's on screen and one of the biggest questions that we had while we were working on this was that. We tried to put ourselves in this young killer's shoes he's not as responsible as his uncle. And yet he is responsible the only way to dramatize that is to really get into that tiniest nuances of of what he did. Simone who. Goes through an reenactment with this killer at a certain point realizes that it's not as ambiguous as you might think and he does have a moral. Decision about what happened and I won't give that away but he does reach this this clear understanding that what happened here. Is terror even though there are ways there are different ways to see it and the trial brings out these other perspectives and the personality of this killer is is suggests that there's there's there's no evil here it's something else and yet Cmon has this moral clarity that he arrives at. About a 3 third's into the into the series this is the same kind of moral clarity that. That I think we arrived at we didn't start with that and as a director of this side of the story and working with this actor. I was or am on his side throughout most of the story we gave his perspective. A human texture that I think will generate sympathy or at least allow an audience to identify with him but then when you break it all down. There's no way to relieve him of. The responsibility of what he did. It's a fascinating series and. Credibly riveting incredibly well thank you very much and thank you so much. Do people really want another. Natural beauty. And so much more. To be automatically entered. 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This is press play on case it'll be I'm Madeleine Brand Apple held its big annual product unveiling today Cupertino as usual there were shiny new i Phones i Pads The Apple Watch but the tech giant is moving away from relying on the newest most expensive toy to keep the money coming in we are so excited about Apple T.V. Plus that we wanted to do something really special and so starting today when you buy an i Phone i Pad a macro an Apple T.V. You'll get one year of Apple T.V. Plus a. A one year of Apple T.V. Plus for free sounding like Oprah giving away a car or a game show host Tim Cook pushing Apple Service is now Apple T.V. Plus the new version of Apple T.V. And a new video game service Joining me now is Will are a mess senior writer for the tech magazine $10.00 Hey there well. Well so they lead the event today talking about this new gaming service is that an indication of where the company is putting its attention. Yeah it's either that or an indication that they didn't have a lot to announce that was really exciting today so they started out with a demo of a new version of the game Frogger which people of my generation will remember from childhood Yeah Apple is absolutely moving from being just a hardware company to being a company that makes a lot of its money from various services and it still makes the majority of money from the i Phone but in the latest quarter its services represented about a 5th of all Apple's revenue that has vaulted past all about other devices that you know the i Pad Apple Watch the MAC and become the 2nd biggest source of revenue for the company so it makes sense that they are now out there flogging the service is trying to get you to sign up for a bunch of different things that cost you know for $99.00 a month and then another $799.00 a month 9 and 99 a month sooner or later you're paying for what amounts to a 2nd i Phone just in the services that you're buying on the i Phone and those services include the Apple T.V. And they include Apple music of course wealth. Yes the gaming services called Apple arcade that's launching later this month Apple T.V. Plus launches on November 1st. And they also have Apple music of course news which is really a misnomer because it's mostly subscriptions to magazines and a couple newspapers so it's a full suite and I would imagine that they will add more over time because this has been enormously successful for them in a recent quarter the profit margin on their services division was something like 65 percent so they're making just a ton of profit on these well they just unveiled a new credit card which has some people scratching their heads like why would you need an Apple credit card I think if you have Apple Pay or Few have to regular credit cards what's the point. Yeah I think they're trying to get into payments because that is a hot space the traditional credit card is being pushed aside by all sorts of new technologies Facebook is working on a big initiative to get people to use its own crypto coin to buy things within Facebook Messenger or whatsapp. It's already very popular in East Asia and Southeast Asia to purchase things in apps using coins I think that. The techno ors see this coming to the United States sooner or later Apple's play on this is as you mentioned the apple card backed by Goldman Sachs and they were there to consumer privacy angle privacy and convenience and financial tracking So if you if you buy stuff on the Apple card it will actually do some of the stuff that a site like Mint dot com does where it'll help you budget and see how much you've spent on various categories although that only works if you buy everything on the Apple card when not sure if you are going to do especially when it had all of these problems saying that it wouldn't work if it was next to other cards or if it touched like a jean material or something like that yeah I wouldn't necessarily bet against Apple only because so many people have i Phones and Apple is very good at making it convenient to do all sorts of things on your i Phone but certainly the rollout has not been flawless for the card and Apple has come under some pretty heavy criticism lately for copying apps and then offering their own version on their i Phones So basically cutting out the individual developer is by offering a version of what they've developed for free. Right so there was a good Washington Post article recently about that and it lead with the example of clue which is up for tracking your period for women it had become one of the top apps on Apple's charts course Apple has all the data on who's downloading what apps you can see what's really popular must be a really nice guide to have for what apps Uppal could copy it's making it's incorporating a lot of the core features of this app clue into its own health app which comes installed on your i Phone when you buy it so you know why go and download this 3rd party app when you already have it native to the i Phone Apple can integrate its native functionality in deeper when it's than any 3rd party developer can I don't think 3rd party apps are going away anytime soon Apple recognizes that this is a healthy thing to have an ecosystem where lots of people are developing stuff for its devices but certainly as the company sees that services are more important to its business as software being a bigger competitive edge I think developers have to be aware that Apple can do this at any time we've seen it in the past with you know Spotify Apple music is basically a clone of Spotify and in the browser space and this gets overlooked but Apple's own Safari browser is so ingrained into the operating system of i Phones that there's very little browser competition if you think about your computer you could use Chrome or Firefox and a number of browsers on the i Phone almost everybody uses Safari because it's just already there yeah well doesn't that raise some antitrust concerns. Yeah you know this is something that Apple will probably have to be a little bit more wary of going forward there is this growing faction of critics who see the type of stuff that Apple is doing as anti-competitive in various ways I think they have a really good point I don't think they have yet fully cracked the mainstream when you listen to the top and to trust regulators in Washington currently they're listening they're interested in the these ideas that Amazon or Apple are squeezing out competitors and they have launched investigations how those play out I'm not sure I don't think that people currently in charge at F.T.C. And have yet fully bought the line that these companies need to be broken up but I think we certainly will see some action at the margins at least well meanwhile we spend this entire conversation and we have a minute left not really talking about the fountains so he did they unveil anything new in the phone department that we should be interested in yeah I mean it's kind of apropos because this was one of the least exciting i Phone announcements ever and they did unveil 3 new phones there's the i Phone 11 which is the successor to the 10 are that's going to mid-range phone and they came out with an i Phone 11 Pro and pro Macs their name to these phones just keep getting worse and worse but that's what has 3 lenses in the camera and will let you do things you can use apps to like take videos from multiple cameras at the same time if you're doing filming so I think the 11 is probably the one to look at the 10 are with a very successful phone I have one in my pocket right now it's not as pricey the 11 will start at 699 the pros are 801100 bucks what people are really waiting for is next year when Apple's expected to unveil 5 G. Phones I think market research suggests a lot of buyers are actually waiting for those to upgrade OK Well Arema senior writer for the tech magazine 10 thank you. Thanks Madeleine. We really do. Thank. You listening to members of. The Los Angeles. Where community service Santa Monica College National Public Radio for southern California Stay tuned music begins for Tuesday night.