Outrage came quickly, even f fm repuican leaders. Many condemned his policy ideas, but some like ted cruz were a little more tempered. Paul what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for. Lindsey and you know how you make America Great again . Tell donald trump to go to hell. Ted i disagree with that proposal. I like donald trump, a lot of our friends here have encouraged me to criticize and attack donald trump. Im not interested in doing so. Sabrina on the democratic side, the reaction was even harsher. Hillary clinton saying in urbandale this week that trump is helping the terrorists. Hillary we need to be doing everything we can with people across the world to fight radical jihadists. Donald trump is supplying them with new propanda. Hes actually playing in to he will become part of their recruitment efforts. Sabrina the remarks have also sent shockwaves around the globe. Israels Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu made known he rejects trumps proposal. Later, trump announced hes postponed a planned meeting with netanyahu in israel. British Prime Minister, meanwhile, David Cameron labeled trumps proposal divisive and quite simply wrong. British citizens also responded with a petition calling for trump to be banned from entering the u. K. And scotlands first minister stripped trumps status as a busisiss ambassador for thth country. A university in scotland also stripped an Honorary Degree it had awarded trump. But despite all this, the gop front runner is now backing down, hes not backing down, that is. Fellow republican candidate Carly Fiorina calls it all one big gift to the democrats. Carly donald trump is a gift wrapped package under the Christmas Tree to hillary clinton. But i am the lump of coal in her laughter carly the truth is applause carly the truth is donald trump is the best thing to ever happen to hillary clinton. Because if he is the nominee of this party, she will wipe the floor with him. And we will also lose the senate and we will most probably lose the house. So, she hopes for donald trump wrapped up under her Christmas Tree. Amanda some predictions from Carly Fiorina. So, will they come true . A man who might be able to guess joins us now in studio here. This is dr. Steffen schmidt. Hes a professor of politics at Iowa State University and a regular guest here on this week in iowa. So first of all, just curious what your reaction is to trumps policy. Some people are calling him a fascist, is that fair . Steffen its just donald trump again sucking the oxygen out of the media. Amanda mmhmm. Steffen he knows how to play the media. He is a genius at attracting attention, now global attention. And you know, certainly it is sort of an astonishing position but frankly, the history of the United States is full of sort of immigration policies that are a little bit disturbing. Weve had those before and in times of crisis, we seem to lurch in that direction. I mean, we did that with the japanese internment. We did it with the chinese exclusion act in the 19th century and so. You know, when the country gets panicky, extreme solutions or radical Solutions Sometimes become very popular. Amanda yeah and were actually gonna get in to a little bit of that history that you were just talking about a little bit later on in the show. But like you said, this is a statement frfr trump. Teffen yes. Amanda this is what he does. Is it dangerous ough to do this sort of thing . Steffen freedom of speech, right . laughter amanda true. Steffen its the United States, we have a 1st amendment. Of course, the criticism that hes getting may cost him politically. He is of course, seems to have teflon covering. So every time he gets attacked, his poll numbers go up. Dangerous . It depends, i mean if he was really gonna implement harsh policies like e at, it might be how the u. S. Implemented some of those a little bit later. Amanda yeah, and for people who support trump, i think there are ople who wonder, will this be the moment that theyre turned off . Will this be the rhetoric . Will this be the statement that makes them think, ok, this guy is just too extreme . Or will those supporters keep supporting him . Steffen well not according to polol. I meme, according to polls actually a very substantial nunuer of americans besides his supporters, support a policy like this. In the republican field, in the Republican Party among voters, very large number supporting this. So, you know, are americans fascists because they say that this might be a good idea to temporarily suspend immigration . After all, most of the terrorist attacks have been committed by muslims. That doesnt mean, of course, that muslims are terrorists. But it means that from that particular community, there is a big threat. Amanda so where do you see this whole discussion going next . Do you think trump will ever back down from these statements . Continue to attack him . Steffen you know what . This is like a, like a storm that blows by. I think itll blow by and then well get back to the campaigngn i dont think donald trump is gonna reverse his position. Hes never reversed his position on anything and in fact, he has a lot of support from the conservative talk media. Who keep discovering reasons why his position is not so extreme in the context of american politics in the past. Amanda mmhmm, more to come. Dr. Schmidt is gonna stick around with us, but next our discussions gonna take a bit of a turn. music amanda is what donald trump proposing even possible . We look at whats constitutional and whats not with a drake law thats coming up. Amanda welcome back everyone. Donald trumps proposal to ban muslims inhe u. S. Calls for a little historical look back at some of the other times that the government has identified a Certain Group of people to keep them out. In 19, or 1882 rather, the inese exclusion act was signed to keep chinese laborers from immigrating here. Magazine found that fewer than 5 percent of americans supported raising the quotas for political refugees to allow more jews fleeing nazi germany in. And it was in 1942 when president roosevelt ordered the detainment of japanese americans during world war ii. President eisenhower in 1954 wowoed to deport mexicans as part of the Operation Wetback program. So, is what donald trump proposing right now even allowed by u. S. Law . Marco rubio, another candidate, called it unconstitutional. Marco what he proposed was not well thought out, it was impulsive. He didnt think it through, it violates the constitution. It places a religious st and it isnt the best way to do this. Amanda and joining us now is mark kende. Hes the director of the Constitutional Law Center at Drake University law school in des moines. Steffens here as well, thank you both for being here. Were gonna get right to some questions. First of all mark, what trump is proposing, is it unconstitutional or not . Mark i think it is. I think the thing thats unique usually, you have these prohibitions on nationalities or on people from certain countries. Amanda mmhmm. Mark what makes this unique is really the focus on religion and really contrary to what we think of as the Pluralistic Society we want to have. There are cases that weve talked about in terms of the chinese exclusion cases and things that happened during the world war ii era that suggest certainly immigration restrictions are allowed and our immigration laws would not be characterized as progressive. But i think hes crossing a line here amanda ok. Mark even though there are some arguments on the other side. Amanda because this is targeting a group of people for religious reasons . Mark and its incredibly over inclusive, because to say that, you know, all muslims fit in to this category. But, as i said, there is some precedent and so, you know. If this became a court case, there would be some arguments that he could make, certainly. Amanda mmhmm, now steffen, we were gonna talk about this earlier. We had to hold off till this point in the show. Steffen sure. The u. S. History of exclusion and deportation. Steffen yeah. Amanda so where does this kind of rhetoric from trump fit in to americas past . Steffen well, i think its true that religion is an exception, because i mean the 1st amendment is such a huge part. Religious freedom in this country is an enormous benchmark of american democracy. The problem is that president s, if he could become president and pass such a law. It takes a while for things to go to the Supreme Court, doesnt it . Mark it does. Steffen you know, you can implement a policy and then it takes a while before the Supreme Court actually says yes, this is unconstitutional. With this particular Supreme Court, i dont know how they would rule. Theyve ruled in some very interesting ways that wereret prprictable. So, i dont think acacally trump would do this and hes already walked back from it, obviously. He said, no, no, not all muslims, but you know, not americanmuslims. Not muslims in the, you know, military, u. S. Military and not maybe our allies in countries where the soldiers are islamic. And so i think, you know, hes already walking it back and you he puts it out as far as he can, sucks all the e ygen out of the media and then walks it back to a more doable, reasonable position. I think hes in the process of doing that. Amanda mark, lets talk about americas immigration law. You touched on this a little bit. It is quite old. Mark yes. Amanda so, does it need to have some sort of overhaul or some fine tuning done to modernize it . Mark our immigration laws a disaster. Its s sething that if you r rd it, you would d ly end up confused. Amanda hmm. Mark but there is a provision in there that allows the president to in exceptional circumstances take measures that i imagine and ive heard people in support of the trump proposal utilize. So yes, it very much needs to be rewritten. On the other hand, if you go even farther back, the United States signed a treaty with the equivalent of the Ottoman Empire back this is sort of, you know, late 18th century. Amanda ok. Mark where we recognized, in word legitimacy. But sort of acknowledged the legitimacy of muslims. Amanda mmhmm. Mark so our historys not completely one sidedly unprogressive or racist at all. But the immigration laws are a disaster, even immigration lawyerwill tell you that. Amanda interesting, finally with the few seconds we have left france is doing somethings that many may consider right now to be antimuslim. Closing mosques and that sort of thing, do you see that as reactionary or sort of a pattern that we can maybe expect to stick around . Mark well, ive lived in france. Ive taught in france and you know, the problem is that france almost ahead of donond trump a little bit in this area. They have, you know, banned burqas. They have banned people from wearing things in schools. They have a much more separtationist view of church and state. Much less pluralist than we are. So, in some ways what trump is doing resembles a little bit of what france has done. Franan lets the muslims ininbut then seems to sort of say, you creates lots of problems. Amanda mmhmm, alright, well next up were gonna talk about cruzing to the lead. music amanda were gonna switch subjects here, whats behind ted cruzs sudden rise in the polls . music sabrina welcome back everyone. Well the Republican Party has seen some shake ups in the polls to say the least. Well get to that in a moment, but first, whats going on with the dems. Hillary clinton stays steady on top according to the latest cbs New York Times poll, 52 percent. Followed by Bernie Sanders with 32 percent and Martin Omalley just 2 percent. On the republican side, Donald Trumps still in the lead, but that second place spot has been flip flopping a bit. Right now, its ted cruz, 13 percent support among republicans in that cbs New York Times poll. Cruz getting some new iowa support this week as well, from the family leaders bob vander plaats. Bob and i happen to believe that we nene for these extraordinary times is u. S. Senator ted cruz. Sabrina well thats a big enrsement for the religious conservatives in iowa. Dr. Steffen schmidt, professor of politics at iowa state still with us. laughter sabrina is steffen, what does this endorsement mean . Does it mean anything . Steffen well sabrina, endorsements sometimes dont mean anything. These endorsements that hes gotten from vandnd plaats and from stete king are very huge. E. Sabrina mmhmm. Steffen and thats because both of them have a big constituency bel them that follows them, that likes them and has supported them. And i think that they are important and probably account for the fact that he has risen so fast in iowa. Sabrina now it wasnt just the cbs poll, it was also a cnn poll steffen yes. Sabrina where donald trump is still in on top, but in a monmouth universititpoll, ted cruz was the one who camamout on top. Obviously, the sample sizes are very different. Steffen right. Sabrina but what are you thinking for why ted cruz is coming out on top in this Monmouth University poll . Steffen again, you said it. Sampling, it depends on how you ask the questions and how you how many evangelicals you have and so on. But i think it is now a sort of a contest between cruz and dodold trump. And donald t tmp is probably gonna get a little bit hotter and more belligerent with cruz pretty soon. laughter steffen because he doesnt like to be second or he doesnt like to look over his shoulder and see someone catching up with him. Sabrina that kind of brings me to my next question. Donald trumps definitely taking notice of cruz. Hes already started a little bit, but what can we expect from trump about cruz on the trail . Steffen oh well, you know, its pretty obvious to me. If im writing the script for trump, its do you really want a cubancanadian to be the president of the United States . Because cruz was born in canada, his birth certificate, ive seen his birth certificate. It says canada and his dad was a cuban and i think, you know, even though that doesnt matter, hes apparently he probably is a native born, natural born u. S. Citizen because his mother was american. I think donald trump is gonna take advantage of that. Run for president , right . Steffen i dont know. Its very unclear what it means to be a natural born u. S. Citizen as the constitution says you should be. Does it mean you have to be born in the United States of america on american soil . Can you be born on a military base that is owned by u. S. . Is it enough to have a mother who is an american citizen . I think, you know, there has never been a Supreme Court ruling on it. Sabrina ok, so do you think that donald trump could take it that far . Steffen no, donald trump will do what he did with barack obama. Which is to say obama is not a u. S. Citizen and hell say cruz is not qualified to be president , i think. And also hell, i think hell attack cruz for, you know, not cooperating with the rest of the republican leadership. Which actually, the republican adership, the mainstream leadership, doesnt like cruz very much because hes been so belligerent with the party establishment, lets say. Sabrina ok, so first it was carson who was battling trump at the top. Steffen right. Sabrina now its gonna be cruz battling trump at the top. Steffen yes. Sabrina do you think that therell be another shift before think itll remain kind of here . Steffen that is a terrific question. I dont think there will be another shift. I think the only shift will be who is gonna be number 3 . Who is g gna move up there, is it gonna be marco rubio . Is it gonna be somebody else . Chris christie gonna get any legs . We dont now that, because in iowa, you dont have to come in first to move on and be successful, 1, 2 or 3 is fine. And so were gonna watch it, its gonna fabulous, fabulous race. Sabrina oh wont it, i have my predictions that ill keep to myself. But i am very excited to see it all l ake out. Ststfen, thank you so much for joining us for this whole show. Steffen always, always a pleasure to be here. Sabrina well take a quick break, but coming up. music sabrina we go one on one with jeb bush. Why he says hes not worried about his iowa ground game, stay music everyone. Well last week i spoke to republican president ial candidate governor jeb bush. At the beginning of the election cycle, he was the presumed front but thats not how this has all shaken out. Hes not even in the top 5 in the most recent poll, of National Polling that is. So i asked him about it, take a listen. But 4 percent in iowa, does that worry you at all . Jeb no, because, you know, the candidates that were winning in the year before the election in iowa never win. Theres always, at the end, these are discerning voters. They make up their mind late and i think theyre gonna want to have some one who has the leadership skills to fix these big complex challenges we face now as a nation. Sabrina well, governor bushs campaign has been spending a lot more money and putting more resources in to n hampshire, more than iowa. But he says that doesnt matter, he says hell be spending just as much time as he is here in iowa as he in New Hampshire and different ates have different needs in order to win come caucus night. So when we spoke, i also asked him about terror and National Security given the paris attacks and most recently, the San Bernadino shooting. I asked him about one of the most pressing concerns for the americans are so concerned about. Jeb yeah. Sabrina what i mean, the president says that there is, that isis is contained. Then just yesterday, the chief of staff said its not, so. Jeb of course it doesnt matter, i mean, being contained would be actually a victory for isis. They want to, containing isis means they exist in the form of a caliphate the size of indiana with 30,000 Battle Tested terrorists organizing to destroy western civilization. The e tion that containment is actually a strategy is part of the reason why president obama has failed in this regard. We need a comprehensive strategy to take out isis. Where we create safe zones inside of syria allow for the refugees, safe harbor for them. But more importantly, to train and to equip a fighting force that would take out isis with our support. Air power and support in every way. Sabrina well take a quick break, be right back on this music efore we go today, we have some must see tv for you. laughter Amanda Donald trump, of course we know he is known for ruffling feathers, but its never been so literal before. These are the outtakes from times person ofofhe year issue. Trump shared the shoho with a bald eagle, which asou can see, got a little excited at times. Sabrina now dont worry, the eagle and trumps hair were not harmed during the shoot. The bald eagles name is uncle sam. Now look, this is my favorite part, because you have to see his face and the reaction on his face when he laughter amanda ok. Sabrina wait, i think hes gonna, they might have replayed it. It was really good. 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