OK so I just googled this right I mean I didn't or software I thought I had off the top and I had but this is back in 2017 so we've probably seen even more divergence then that with. Tax cuts which you know just made a very bad situation even worse but according to for ribs which is certainly not a left wing or even left wing. Periodical. Said I think they do good work I bought or found their articles interesting well written and certainly provocative but 3 richest Americans hold more wealth then bottom 50 percent of the country study finds. And that's Jeff Bezos Warren Buffett who's the 3rd I'm going to guess Bill Gates I guess Bill Gates too yeah so in fact at least in this picture it goes they have pictures of Gates and Buffet and then obviously. Now sure this this wealth inequality obviously something that needs to be dealt with and dealt with in a very serious fashion one of the things that I've been intrigued about for a long time ever since I chatted on the old version of this radio show with some of the guy who wrote a new book about it is creating a maximum wage in other words limiting the amount of money that person can make a centrally having a 100 percent confiscatory tax rate if you make over a certain amount of money and people go all that's ridiculous and on American but Franklin Roosevelt during World War $2.00 considered this and in fact tried to get the Congress to and acted it would in today's terms be essentially $375000.00 you make more than that everything goes in taxes what do you think of that I thing. The highest tax rate barrier we ever had in this country on the margins was 93 percent in 1936 if I'm correct and one American was subject to that tax John D. Rockefeller I can live with that I don't think we need to go to 100 per cent and if we did I probably wouldn't pegged that level of $375.00 or I I mean I that seems Yes that's a very high income and that's more than any family needs by a lot but it's not the kind of. Generational wealth I mean but you know we're talking we have I think people sometimes can make over a 1000000000 in our country so you know I'd I'd be comfortable with maybe a 50 percent tax rate at a 1000000 and then that goes up from there to that 93 percent maybe when you're at $1015000000.00 I think that would be good enough coupled with. A more you know a more steeply graduated and higher top state tax rate I think we would be we would be OK I mean we were we were doing fine as 40 stiff the sixty's with those 90 percent rates that absolutely that we certainly we certainly were doing fine we being virtually everybody in the country. Economically So let's be real clear because I brought up and had pushback from folks who are focused as well as on economic justice but racial gender justice and certainly people of color were in many ways discriminate against and so there are STILL don't do as well but we were seeing the wealth gap and the income gap actually close we're seeing African-Americans income African-American income per capita. Growing at a higher rate in the Czerny's and sixty's then we saw. The income of white Americans. Still probably too great a gap but it was narrowing unlike today when it is growing so those high tax rates to lead to. Economic justice and actually more racial justice when it comes to the distribution of wealth and income and in fact that was the period of time Wendy the civil rights movement was was added to take was it was most as its latest victories absolutely when an organization is formed like our revolution it kind of it correct me if I'm wrong but born out of the Bernie Sanders for president movement although you don't you haven't indorsed him you're not assumed you're you're not going to endorse any particular person at this point but when you form an organization that has bold proposals on virtually every major issue I mean I look if someone and we'll link to this on our landing page that the people get a sense of just want a wide variety of issues our Aleutian is concerned about and the proposed solutions and on a lot of cases these are very specific ideas but one does wonder I wonder this because I have such an unedited feeling particularly lately about the Democratic Party here hand them the Democratic leadership you make Nancy Pelosi speaker of the house again she's begged Please do an impeachment inquiry at least start the process it's getting late she says no no no and then goes on recently to insult some of the most progressive new members of her own caucus in the House of Representatives it seems like a total failure of. Leadership why don't the people concerned with organizations like our revolution just work to literally take over control of the Democratic Party let me 1st of all correctly you said bury our revolution has in fact indoor spurned Sanders for president 2020 and so has our evolution Marilyn Now we don't have to endorse whomever they endorse sure we can't we couldn't do or say after. The timeout determines who we can't endorse so if they endorsed. Bernie Sanders and we want to endorse Elizabeth Warren or. Byrd or come all Harris off and got some support from some of our members that we couldn't do OK but we don't have to do worse at all we could simply not and we made a decision after we polled our members we got about a 60 percent. For Bernie response so that was over our threshold and you know and that was with $21.00 so yeah we have indoor spurning we do view taking over the Democratic Party is a crucial aspect of our mission so I think we're doing what you're suggesting I maybe I misunderstood the question to a degree. But we do. And I can elaborate I think I may have answered a question we do into work we absolutely believe we have to take the Democratic Party back in fact we think that's about the most important aspect of our. Of our of our our our mission but. Our executive director Joe Joseph gave our gaze told told a very good story yesterday about why he believed we didn't get the change we were hoping for and that to some extent we feel we were promised when Rock Obama became president. And Joseph said that there was too much of an inside game played in other words there were a lot of progressives who had the ear of the president or at least we thought we did he believed he was our ally and what we didn't take into account was that he may not ever have been as progressive as we believed him to be as he sometimes signaled he was we did not take into full account that he had many much more conservative and establishment voices as well whispering in his ear and we did not put the heat on him and the party to the degree that we needed to to push to push him and to push the Democrats were there to the lot so we do believe in playing an inside game to a degree but we also believe we have to be completely independent and to be in the streets and to also support candidates who may not be Democrats at all designer on it already does our revolution either you state level or nationally support impeachment proceedings beginning now. I've heard a lot of individuals say that yeah I have not read anything from our revolution national that takes the position we should impeach Bush. Tromp at this point yeah I have trouble I have trouble seeing you're saying that it's not a senior moment it's just like I can't believe every day every day I wake up and I foolishly turn on C.N.N. And I immediately of course. I'm appalled because he's by that time 8 o'clock in the morning he's done damage to something something. I'd like to see impeachment on the table right now the focus being the concentration camps of course to me that's clearly a he's violating the Constitution through those camps where the detainees are denied basic human rights have not been convicted of any crimes. And I don't see how that can be squared with any any reading of the Constitution so I'd like to see a focus on impeaching him for that sure thing else but there's a lot of other areas I'm not sure I would go along with the Russia gate or the allegations of. Obstruction as part of that but but I think there are many other I know there's a concentration camp as are so that to me is evil in our midst Barry that is that is fascism that that should not be tolerated by absolutely any elected official No absolutely not and I think on these other things I mean I one of the things about the Russia connection I think a lot of progress is probably not you or I but what we spent so much time or progress is spent so much time so much attention on him it's N.B.C. Talking about Russia collusion that that everything else got forgotten and and of course I think that the public opinion unfortunately believes just what Donald Trump says no collusion between his campaign and the Russians now if you read them all or report of course there's so much evidence of connections interest by the campaign in what Russia was doing in Russia with an interest in the campaign whether it violates a federal law or not probably it's too late in the game to even bother to worry about that I do think that obstruction of justice. And the issues at the border in the concentration camps are much more fruitful ways to begin but you know we're already talking we're in the summer of 2019 if these guys don't get to work and do something because Speaker Pelosi doesn't want them to we're going to run out of time to do anything meaningful I don't have any doubt how that if there was an impeachment inquiry an investigation of the Judiciary Committee looked at this stuff he would be impeached would he be convicted probably not because the Senate of course overlooks all of his harmful effects and all of his peculiarities of psycho pathology but aside from that that's their problem if it is happens in the United States House of Representatives that's good enough for me impeach him we'll worry about conviction later. Yeah I do you know I don't want to see a page here I mean I do think that the. The immigration immigrant camps are. Clearly unconstitutional I think their crime I would like to see some certainly hearings right now on them and I like to see the Congress focus I'm not sure that impeachment is a good political move at this point at all I think most Americans. Are really looking unfortunately at their wallets at their pocketbooks and they're thinking things really aren't that bad the Democrats overstated how bad Trump would be when it comes to the economy especially when it comes to how it's affecting me and not you know I tend I think it would come across to a degree as political grandstanding I think that's Palosi concern I think if the Democrats really want the White House we have an election next year they need to unite behind a truly progressive populist candidate one who talks about jobs about bringing truly good living wage jobs back to this country who talks about ending our imperialist and adventures overseas which are very unpopular who talks about a peace dividend about rebuilding infrastructure about Medicare for all I think that an economic justice argument married to a true populist. Perspective when it comes to rebuilding. The Great Lakes states sure would be the best way for the Democrats to get Trump out of the White House the most effective the most likely to succeed you mention Medicare for all and I have some reservations about it we've talked about this before but. Let's see if we going to stablish a couple of things about the steps to achieve what I certainly think is true comprehensive health care is a human right it ought to be enshrined and you know there was a time during F.D.R.'s administration when he proposed an economic bill of rights and of course health care as a right was something he wanted to establish and. Course did did did not happen the cost of Medicare for all time it's our $2.00 to $2.00 trillion dollars a year is that it's not about right you know it you know you got me I don't have the exact numbers when I do know is that the cost of economic message here for all is less just in purely dollar terms than the cost of our current system we spend more per American on health care today for a mid-level in terms of a fish in terms of. Results health care system and perhaps the most inefficient in the world when you factor that to be around the 35th 3637 the best results sure we spend about 3035 percent more than the next most expensive country in the world when it comes to the cost of health care or maybe it's yeah yeah that's about right so I to me you know the question is not can we afford it I think the question is how we cannot answer is we can't. If we're not to not to do some magic after all exactly if you I think the issue for a lot of people including me is just how in the world do you get there what is the way in which we start if a president Sanders is an advocate as he is and has been for a long time of Medicare for all what does he start to do to dismantle most or maybe all of the current system in order to move us to Medicare for all oh I just don't take much Barry I honestly don't I don't be downhearted you just. Issue A has to be a law and you talked about killing it by executive order I don't believe that would be possible I don't see any way that could be done by executive order it just seems to me. That it would conflict with so many laws that are already on the books right at the present couldn't do that but I haven't examined that issue closely that just my immediate reaction but if there was all if the laws passed I mean the simple answer is you just let all health care providers know because that's all we're concerned with that in the immediate moment yeah there's going to be people who have good middle class jobs who work for insurance companies we've got to help them out we've got to make sure that they can transition and we can do that without I think too much pain at all in the end we'll have more people making a decent living and health care and no people making tens of millions of dollars in health care if we move to this system but the easiest way to fast this way is just for the government to send out to all health care providers as of let's say it was the law was passed today as of. Let's say January 1 2020. Billings shall be through the U.S. Federal government and we will have regional centers if your dog. You send the bill for every patient you see for every treatment every service you provide you send the bills that you currently are negotiating that you're currently arguing with insurance companies over that you're sending to the Medicare office that you're getting not enough for Medicaid you send all those invoices directly to the regional Federal Center for your area and then we'll send you a check. If you have worked in an industry with a strong union and that union has negotiated a terrific by your standards by the individual. Health care recipients own judgement a terrific health care system that's what they want this is what Joe Biden says we have to keep you have to keep that component of it in order to gain the political power necessary to move to Medicare for All which he does not support as I understand it but what it what do you say to the union worker who has a great negotiated deal for health insurance and really likes it because there are thousands and thousands of people in that category Well I would say Did that really work are several things I through thing I would do is I would listen rather than saying I would ask What is it that you really like about your point or what are the best aspects of it and my guess is that response is going to be well I really like the doctors my plan gives me a lot of leeway as to who I get to pick as a doctor I don't have to go to an H.M.O. Or. And when I do go to a doctor I have low co-pays and and I have a low deductible so and also my health my medications are covered again with a low co-pay and loaded up the bill so I would respond with so it sounds to me just occur to understand you know what you like is the freedom you have to choose your own providers the relatively low out of pocket expenses that you are currently confronted with and I personally would say yes and I would say Well are there problems or anything about your health care plan that you don't like. A great deal taken out of your salary for example do you have a good deal of withholding from your employer what about the fact that it's not portable if you lose your job then you wouldn't be able to keep that great insurance isn't that right and are you concerned that your job could be offshore or outsourced in fact is that a possibility possibly more likely because your employer actually has to pay hackable live for that health insurance or so Aren't those all factors that make you last the lobbying of your insurance then you current then then that that you know that it's not perfect is it so if we move to Medicare for all you still get to all the great things you like Currently you so got to keep you got to keep your doctors and you won't have to even you say you have a loan co-pay you have no co-pay you have a limited doctor you'd have no deductible and then the things you don't like about it were you don't have to worry about because if you leave your job you're so covered because we cover every American because it's a right it's not a privilege that you're lucky enough to because you got the right job also by having this and taking it the marginal cost away from your employer in other words your employer isn't paying more because you are working for employer it doesn't cost you. Employment doesn't add to your employer's health care expenses because we're doing a little have more money available to pay higher salaries to hire more people and don't have an incentive to look for either cheaper health care down the road or even to move operations somewhere else if. I am in Medicare I in general like it but co-pays I mean I happen I thought I'd love to stack medical appointments I mean that is to save I'm going to go I mean the Kaiser system if I if there are 2 doctors and need to see and they're both in Gaithersburg Maryland I try to make sure that I schedule them the same afternoon sign up truck going up there all the time the co-pays in my recent trip to visit it's $90.00 Now I can afford $90.00 for the co-pays and up front costs but a lot of people $90.00 is just in surmountable burden which is why people don't go to the doctors and they don't go unless things are so serious that they're about to die and they and they end up in the emergency room how do you take a Medicare system that has co-pays now and transform it into one where there are no co-pays where you can go any time any place get anything done and you won't have to pay a dollar. Be able to do that are is your concern that those co-pays which dissuade people as you said from taking from going for treatment are you saying that it is would add to the total cost of the entire program is that is out there knowing that you Well I think it would certainly add to the cost but the question is how do you get there how do you take a system that 1st of all you're saying we don't have enough doctors maybe to provide Well we don't want folks. Now for I cuz of the expense a lot of people who need treatment aren't getting it so therefore our overworked doctors actually. Aren't even wrote a very humble response as well or are in terms of the cost again because of the amount of leverage that the government would have to negotiate with the. Pharmaceutical companies because there wouldn't be again a few executives in each insurance company skimming sometimes 8 figure salaries off the top we have a lot more of it I mean when you think about it I mean you have executive making $20000000.00 a year so that that $20000000.00 could pay $100.00 people $200000.00 a year sure for now we don't we would we would even necessarily go have to do that but but you could pay a $100.00 doctors $200000.00 a year just by getting rid of one executive and have them treat the increase in patients but don't want to have healthier people we also have people who don't need to go to the emergency room is frequently we have people who maybe aren't as obese we have better eating habits we have a health care system that isn't necessarily focused on treating people after they become sec but on preventative prevention and this would reduce the demand for medical treatment and this by the way I'm not just speculating this is what has been found over and over by various studies and also by recourse to other countries health care and visas Tim's Barry how Ginsburg thank you very much for talking about this and talking about our revolution which as I said people can go to the landing page for this episode and. Take a look at the IT website for our revolution find out where you can join locally around the country and support is 6 extraordinarily good effort to gain progressive candidates on progressive issues and to work in and out of the Democratic Party to make sure that progressivism is not a dirty word how Ginsberg thanks a lot thank you let me just say our revolution M D dot com would be for our revolution Maryland our revolution and the dot com All right thank you very much we're going to take a little break when we come back a singer sees the Everly will join us and she'll tell her story listen as we always do when we have musicians to a little of her music as well we'll be right back to Barry Lynn you're listening to culture shocks. Welcome back to culture shock so OK so we resolve the issues of kind of how do we transform America in a revolutionary fashion but as promised we turn to music but you know if you listen to the show with regularity I believe music and art and comedy has a tremendous ability to transform lives and to make America better C.C. Absolutely joins us now I 1st met C.C.I. At an event in Cambridge Massachusetts a few years ago and a wonderful venue called Passim which when I was teaching high school in Boston and going to graduate school up there during the dinosaur era I went to Passim a lot to hear the great folks singers of the day and I could even afford to get in because it was a respectful place and now it's become a nonprofit place that tends to do a lot of very progressive singers and songwriters C.C. Lives in the Boston area she started playing guitar when she was in junior high school. She kept the guitar but decided not to perform in public spaces for I think over 35 years she has a full length CD out now called Color of sunlight a new E.P. Cold Anaconda melts down C C Thanks for being with her guest on culture shocks Thanks for having me it's great to be here to reveal a Before we get too serious about things as Anaconda melt down this is not I just want to clarify this is not a song on this is not nice and E.P. About boiling snakes for food. The name came about I recorded in Bozeman Montana and a neighboring town is called Anaconda and it was on the way traveled there while I was out there recording the town is famous actually is a smelter town where all the copper they mined in Sure Montana so pretty much every piece of copper wiring everywhere probably has a little bit of an economy in it and. The meltdown kind of comes I was there right at the end of spring and I got off the airplane and the Bozeman airport in it was about 15 degrees below 0 I had a long walk to the ground a lot over ungroomed ice and over that week we were hitting a soaring into the 40 forty's those during the day and the puddles were tremendous So it's a lot of play on all of that why Bozeman Montana had a great friend from elementary school at lived there our lives there and there's a great studio there and. Comes through on the CD I love the West it's a lot large theme sure that song set so an economy down I I ran out of. Oh I don't know what it means I said. Some days it's just best not to know what something. Means but that's a good story I didn't do hard on it no I've been to Bozeman only once but I have been to blows in Montana. When you took this long hiatus from singing playing your guitar in junior high school what with the why did you get back into music was there some seminal event where you said you know I really have got to do this again you got you never left me and says I fond of saying I kept a guitar with all 6 strings on it all the fun and playful lot myself I played in the basement was my one of the worlds I was in my come out for a party now and then but never lost my interest in it and then had about 2000 I started listening to more folk music. In particular I heard some Dar Williams C.D.'s I guess the Cape bridge folk scene was having another revival right around your time frame started following the music and then shortly after that was my coming out in my transition. And I guess the way I summarize the whole story is my coming back to music and coming out of the basement corresponded a lot to my coming out of the closet. It was a very transitional time and I think what really sensed it I actually played for a conference it happened to be a transgender conference at a talent show and I got up and played music and I had forgotten the thrill of when you leave the stage and how good it feels feels like I just jumped out of an airplane and fell for a live on the ground. Knew I had to get back into music I found that wonderful folk group named so nobody in the Boulder Colorado area was a Colorado resident at a time. And started playing with a group of 3 other women and the leader was a singer songwriter and she kind of told me a long into a song camp and then the fire with slit. Her songwriting. And I've been mostly electric guitar players so you are was a pretty. It's amazing you talk about Dar Williams. She's become a good friend of mine over the years and she asked me to open for her. At a club big club here in Washington and as I said you know I don't I don't play any music and she said I know I just want you to read from one of your books for about a half an hour or so like I can do that and the 1st thing I said when I stood up on the stage was just you know I'm not going to sing and the only musical instrument I ever played was a clarinet I played it in junior high school in high school and as soon as I left my house to go to college I immediately abandoned the clarinet and sold it because I hated playing it I wanted to learn guitar My parents however in high school are very nice to me but they didn't like guitars so my giving up music permanently and your going back to music I think it worked out best for both of us . Yeah the love for music never know when away no hand to just fine right it's all the right time. You know parenting is that you're pretty large and all those things that interfere with just life in general. When you say it is folks and we always look to people's. Internet pages as home pages and so on but not only did you have a gender transition you moved from Colorado you had career changes parenting changes all of these big things happened at once and I'd like people to listen to one song here. It's not available any records but it's available on the Internet will will link to it on the forementioned landing page the song is called illegal in North Carolina here it is. I'm merely. It's getting so small. Get to scare. Put in a rise to the national platform. To deny me my. This. Is not. Easy. Find out there. CAROLINA. Where they believe they can legislate hate. Sister who's. Sister This is. A new 2 way YOU. Sister. Sister. This is damn am. Too. All right that's illegal in North Carolina C.C. The issue of what's illegal in places like North Carolina Mississippi Alabama you say in the song you don't want to be a wedge issue and I think nobody wants to be a wedge issue and the question I guess is why is gender transition why has it become so serious an obstacle to justice in this country why is it that people have so much difficulty with gender transitions badness the great question it's been around for a long long time last much longer than the media or people give give it credit for I've known about myself so it's the sixty's and with a little digging and a lot of library work knew it wasn't impossible or are unreachable possibility in my life yet all the world of. Normal existence kind of I let it over overwhelm that and so it's never been a secret Kony and politically it's never been so super charged as it is right now. You know really they. Yeah I mean there's another line in the song where you saw about. A lot of people don't come to a conclusion or make a decision about something until it hurts somebody you love is I think the way the line goes and I do wonder what's wrong with people I mean when Trump does something that insults women for example there are a couple of Republicans who will stand up and kind of do say the right thing but they almost invariably link it to something like well it's a terrible thing to say and it's bad you know I have 2 daughters or I have been married to a woman for 14 years. As if the only way you can possibly do the right thing in America is if you do have that personal connection and I I kind of think that that's wrong that there is some things that ought to be known as absolutely wrong and hateful conduct directed at anybody in this country. Legally or illegally is wrong but why does it take somebody to say after I got those daughters I sure wouldn't want Donald Trump around them. Yet what does it take it what kind of triggered Why did transgender people in specific specifically become a rallying point I think there were people do all kinds of studies and there was a time when a lot of people didn't know it wouldn't say on a whole that they you any body was transgender Well it turns out I think everyone knows someone who's transgender you just may not know exactly. And it and it truthfully everyone is is one way or another are sons daughters uncles nieces nephews is. It's not. It's not anything out really out of the ordinary in the fabric of American culture white people focused on issues around bathrooms now there's already there are already plenty of protections for people and nothing's ever there have been none of those kinds of incidents that people love to amplify and harp on and make up essentially and that's where issues like when it gets to the legislature point it's clearly become just hate issue and yes everyone shouldn't you shouldn't have to know some somebody or a group to know they're not being treated fairly I think the transgender community in America and around the world is literally I mean it's almost under nuclear attack I mean this is not just something where there's a through a wall of oh yeah well we don't like this further and I mean this is no right to serve in the military if you are for transgender person no right to use the bathroom of choice and soon at the United States Supreme Court we're going to find out Sadly I'm afraid we won't like what we find out that sexual orientation of any kind. Is not even a case you can bring under the civil rights laws of the 1960 S. Because they will read it out of the idea of gender discrimination they will say well we just meant women but we didn't mean anybody else I mean this is nuclear war. It threatens things like access to health care with the new laws masquerading as religious freedom they're talking about it's anybody can deny it's it goes well beyond not baking a cake for a wedding it goes to denying an emergency appendectomy if the hospital happens to be affiliated with certain religious group. And it goes on and on it is nucular attack and. It makes makes Star little sense and I've you know I had my life was kind of thrown in into it. But I it's really helped me see across all the things that get called out in the din a fight is differences among among us certainly. Is my perspective as a woman is much much different in my eyes have been opened. Even within the workplace for instance where I work as a software engineer and I feel I've really had not been paying attention to how the workplace had changed over the course of my 30 plus year career but. I say jokingly and sarcastically that I knew my transition was successful when I achieved the 60 percent of my original salary. I got on a I've managed to go backwards doing the same work it's a matter of fact I was for a while not even able to do the same work and I don't have to fight my way climb our way back to proving my or my worth again as an engineer. So I'm not on many fronts it's been a tremendous eye open. And certainly made me understand really with Raul all groups that get categorized that lumped and other. Just how unjust it really is in the way it is it itself has been a gift to me and it helps me. Right music and usually I write from a place of. Some kind of some kind of notion of social justice or what's right or what is my questioning in my own upbringing sure I know I have plenty of things built in from where I came from and which one of my beliefs needs challenging or introspection because we're all we all are programmed to start from the world we grew up in and and I'm certainly no different but I feel at least my eyes are a little bit more open of course it is none of us can give up on entirely on the past OK we're going to. Play another tune this one is from the E.P. You know about Anaconda copper It's called West and it's about the sense of moving to the west we'll be right back and take a listen to this. He was in an esteemed shop night. Goodness day. See you know you get to weigh. In in a high rise now and looking out the window window with. Your mind's eye she made a plan. For that promised land. And they. Shared Now. From the family tree. Harmony to me will come to me. And my destiny. So Sleazy the West I mean is there's all kinds of mythology associated with the West it was a place that people went because they they wanted something free on the you know if you look at Deal westerns in the 1940 S. And fifty's although there's a lot of stereotypes about Native Americans and a lot of other terrible things but there is a sense that people wanted to be left alone and to leave other people with the exception of Indigenous people but other people basically alone and it seems to me we have gone a long way downhill in the West I mean you talk about Montana Montana North Dakota hasn't had for example a Democratic senator since I think Quentin Burdick who was a pretty liberal guy South Dakota used to have George McGovern Jim Aberlour esque is Senator stay there wouldn't think of electing such a person today what do you have an idea about what's gone wrong with this idea that the West is a place where you live and let live there are parts of it that never the mythology never really lived up to the black and white westerns and movies that I know were a big part of my formative diet growing up and you scratch the surface of history and you'll find out there were plenty of people in the West people who built the railroads sure the people who were in the profit. It wasn't it wasn't a community that the the really imagination of. The west it started with Buffalo Bill and continued all the way through John Wayne that really was I was lucky enough to live in New Mexico and Colorado which are probably exceptions to that writing of states you just read. Although there are plenty of people of all beliefs then sure there's a lot of it is the rural versus urban divide which is very real. And I think. I think the the belief systems in some of the very rural ranch areas live and let live. Somehow I think the perception of and separation I've had people debate me on and sure in certain online contexts about you know the whole fly over mythology that it's been built up lately kind of alienate people from the coasts coastal thinking and I think that's I think it is wrong I think that most most western people I transition to the west and most people were live and let live. But it is why some at so many states politically have gone in that direction it's really hard to understand I think it was a Kansas where they defunded everything and of course watched the whole state government collapse exactly Don't worry they gave the guy who did that is thinking of running for the Senate there's an open seat in Kansas so Mr Clow bhaktas decided he he will fill that seat. And for me because I'm a very partisan person these days. I hope he does because he's probably as weak a candidate as anyone has when we talk about you know just this week earlier this week the president of Planned Parenthood you know when I was dismissed and part of the problem according to most of the reports I don't have any inside information about this but seems to be that she was very red of sin to deal with. Issues particularly transgender issues because she said it just doesn't play well in the Midwest I it's it's saddens me to think that that was something that a person who i always and I a very close friend of of Cecile Richards the former president of Planned Parenthood but that someone in this brotherhood and sisterhood of progressive organizations would use that or say that. It's pretty shocking. That it's politically doesn't play you know one of the 1st big pride of this I went to was up in Kalispell Montana which is. In Montana at the time the entire L G B T community was was looking for there are a few university towns with some acceptance but it was it was a very interesting again I felt like in some ways I had walked 20 years into the past every mounted patrol in Montana was on one side of this is on was at the Pride Parade half the street was haters with nice lady mass produced signs and half was people in the typical Pride Parade people who are just warmest than that just make you feel welcome and and happy and celebrate Tori but it was. Yeah I don't know if it doesn't I don't know when it doesn't play well in my experience isn't it transitioning in the West and meeting people there were people who left very small towns where it wasn't going to wasn't going to play yet there are some. I know I'm quite a few people in Montana and different communities. But I don't I'm not sure if the the the baked in. Politicize the the wedge issue of the wedge issue for the cation the new were about as good of a trans very good friends people as as is. Entrenched as it may be in different regions. I think everybody it's back to you have to know somebody and you need anyone one on one and it's kind of a. Different story and you know you know I had I wish I had that why the West is different. Well I'll tell you in this minute very interesting conversation terrific music and as I said people can learn how to get it listen to it. Even in churches I think the most one of the most powerful single church service I've attended in the last decade a few weeks ago near Washington a couple of that was doing the presentation kind of during the sermon time. I knew these folks for a long time and they talked about the transition of their son into. Woman And it was the most powerful presentation of what the difficulties were and how difficult it was for these super progressive people just to deal with that and to do use the proper language and to make sure that they were doing the right thing by their daughter and it was extremely powerful and it's compared to the creepy horrible things that people like the offspring of Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham have been saying about the old Ubi T.Q. Community for the last well for ever Thanks C.C. Everly very much for being with us thank you so much for having me does it for today will be back next week I don't know what we'll talk about but I know that it will give a chance for people to understand and to listen to people that they may never of known about that's the point of the show who does good work what organizations work hard what musicians what comedians what playwrights should America care about us if we really cared about quality at does it I'm Barry Lynn. This is K.C. A.A. . 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