N.p.r. . Is Live from n.p.r. News in Washington I'm Jack Speer one than 70 former u.s. Attorneys are calling on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant families at the border N.P.R.'s Ryan Lucas has more in an open letter a bipartisan group of $75.00 former u.s. Attorneys calls the administration's 0 tolerance policy that separates migrant children from their parents at the southern border a quote radical departure from previous Justice Department policy they say the policy is dangerous expensive and inconsistent with the department's values previous administrations have struck a balance they say between the need for effective enforcement with humanity and compassion the troubled ministrations approach has abandoned that balance in the name of deterring illegal immigration they say the former u.s. Attorneys also say the quote unfolding tragedy at the southern border falls squarely on sessions shoulders and they call on him to end the policy why and look it's n.p.r. News Washington a top White House aide who helped to organize last week's summit meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong own is stepping down early next month N.P.R.'s Scott Horsley reports Joe Hagen has served every Republican president since Ronald Reagan Joe Hagen was one of the few experienced Washington hands in the Trump White House spokesman Sarah Sanders as he brought unparalleled expertise and institutional knowledge to the deputy chief of staff job one of his most high profile assignments came just a few weeks ago when he was dispatched to Singapore as head of a u.s. Team organizing logistics for the president's summit with Kim Jong un own Hagan's team was initially stood up by the North Koreans but eventually they were able to meet and plan the summit President Trump praised Hagan's contribution to recall one of the most historic foreign trips ever made by a president although Hagan reported it was considering opening as deputy director of the CIA the White House says he will instead return to work in the private sector Scott Horsley n.p.r. News the White House Milwaukee Bucks guard Sterling Brown has filed a federal lawsuit against the city its police chief and 8 officers in January. N.b.a. Rookie was being cited for parking illegally across a disabled parking spot when the encounter abruptly escalated an officer used a stun gun on Brown after Dodd immediately comply with an order to remove his hands from his pockets Mark Thompson Brown's attorney says surveillance video proves police used excessive force 12 minutes he was left sitting or laying on the ground after being in a abuse this kind of conduct must stop police chief has apologized and 3 officers were disciplined over the incident Milwaukee's mayor says he hopes this will be a turning point for the city the summer and u.s. China trade battle he had up another notch with a threat by President Trump to impose a 10 percent tariff against 200000000000 in Chinese goods response from both China and the financial markets was quick in coming today the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 287 points 224700 the Nasdaq closed down 21 points the Standard and Poor's 500 dropped 11 points today you're listening to n.p.r. I.b.m. Is testing a computer against 2 human debaters in the 1st public demonstration of artificial technology it's been working on a company unveiling what it's dubbed Project to better this week in San Francisco when asked a debate in favor of government subsidized space exploration a topic it had not studied i.b.m. Says it's computer quickly delivered an opening argument using information that had pulled from repository of newspaper articles in journals and listen to the humans counterargument and delivered a 4 minute we're bottle. New York City is changing its marijuana enforcement strategy Beth Fertig of member station w.n. Y.c. Reports the n.y.p.d. Is pledging to make fewer arrests the police department has been heavily criticized for arresting blacks and Latinos at 8 times the rate of whites even though studies show the groups use pot at similar rates Mayor Bill de Blasio says he wants to reduce that disparity by cutting back unnecessary arrests later this summer those caught smoking marijuana in public will be issued criminal summonses which carry a fine police predict $10000.00 fewer missed meaner marijuana arrests each year but officers can still arrest anyone who's got an open warrant or who's a threat to public safety skeptics worry that discretion means arrests could still be racially biased but the n.y.p.d. Says it will watch for that in the data for n.p.r. News I'm Beth for take a New York crude oil futures prices move lower ahead of Friday's OPEC meeting and mounting tensions between the u.s. And China oil was down $0.78 a barrel today and the session at $6507.00 a barrel in New York I'm Jack Speer n.p.r. 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Border illegally House Republicans are trying to pass a broad immigration bill this week and on the Senate side g.o.p. Lawmakers are working to pass a separate more narrow bill such as an strums family separation policies N.P.R.'s congressional correspondent Scott d'être has been following all this he joins us now from the Capitol Scott so this meeting just got out right what have you learned so far it's apparently a pretty broad conversation according to what we're hearing President Trump talk about the need for border security he said he supports House Republican leaders on this broad bill he said he was with them 1000 percent but you know he's doubled back many times over the last few months when it comes to what he actually wants in an immigration bill and tonight trouble apparently did not get into the details of what he specifically wanted to see he talked about several other issues as well he even took the time to take a jab at Mark Sanford a House Republican who lost a primary last week mostly because he criticized the president just a reminder House Republicans are looking to a couple different bills but what they're mainly trying to do is pass a broad immigration measure that does a lot of what the president has said before he wants to see on immigration including a permanent path for people in Dhaka and also a lot of money for border security. So that's all on the House side how has this issue of family separation been playing in the Senate is this something that could be addressed there yeah many Republicans in the Senate who were very concerned about this both both in terms of their own personal reaction and also political concerns about how voters are viewing this issue you know as the president keeps insisting he's being forced to enact this policy because of Congress many of his close eye allies. The senator saying that's just not true Utah Senator Orrin Hatch a very close with the president sent a letter to Jeff Sessions tonight the attorney general calling for a policy that is as he wrote consistent with our values and ordinary human decency and putting the blame for the crisis directly with the administration 12 other Republican senators signed on to that letter they're pushing for a quick vote on this and they want to do it pretty quickly and just focusing on this one issue now would that be a stand alone bill or are part of this more comprehensive immigration legislation that the House is talking about yet the one interesting thing is that Senate Republicans seem to have no confidence at all that the House would even be able to pass this bill so they don't want to wait for that and amend it Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said today they want to do this very narrowly My assumption is in order to fix this problem you can't fix all the problems because obviously we've wrestled with this issue for a decade as you know I went to it in February wide open for amendment we couldn't reach agreement this requires a solution but earlier today President Trump seemed to oppose these narrow efforts and he criticized it saying that we need to have a real border not more judges rule referring to the fact that some of these bills would add more resources to process these claims quickly if he does want a broader bill that leads to questions about whether Trump is trying to use this crisis for political leverage or whether he just thinks this harsh crackdown is simply good politics as far as he's concerned and before I let you go Democrats Democrats are rejecting the idea that Congress needs to act at all they're saying President Trump has the power to fix it Chuck Schumer the minority leader referenced President Trump's famous statement in 2016 that he alone can fix it saying in this case you can fix it yourself they're saying President from can reverse himself and the span of 20 minutes or so and end this today N.P.R.'s Scott d'être Scott thank you thank you. Colorado Congressman Mike Coffman was in that meeting with President Trump this evening the Republican broke with his party by reaching out to Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein he says he wants to help her put a stop to what he calls a human rights disaster at the border and would support the House version of her bill to end family separation Congressman Coffman joined us earlier today and I started by asking him about another g.o.p. Bill that would do something similar and why he decided to reach out to a Democrat Well certainly learned of her her bill 1st time and read Senator Cruz's Bill I think she was the 1st one to have a bill out there that corrects this particular problem and I think it's important to do so and I do think the administration has the ability to suspend this problem right now through prosecutorial discretion in deciding the intel we get the law right not to prosecute these these families coming over in the house the immigration compromise bill may have a provision that allows families to stay together when a parent is charged for unlawful entry but it could mean that that entire families detained for maybe in indefinitely is that a better solution well that's not I mean the better solution is certainly to have a very expeditious process to make a decision but certainly in the meantime to keep these families together I think that's the most important thing I think that there's we sense emotion I don't know if we sense the depth of the emotion that these that these young through these young this children go through I mean they come from countries where there is no social safety net that that the family is is their entire life and so when you when you pull them apart it's such a. Traumatic thing for them to experience I've been developing countries like this where they come from and it's horrific I think we sense that I don't know if we sense it in its entirety but we have to stop it I want you to respond to some. Thing the president said earlier about what he sees as the conundrum of stepping up in force meant when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally which should happen you have to take the children away. Now we don't have to prosecute them but then when not prosecuting them for coming in illegally that's not what's your response to this defense of this policy Well the mere fact that we apprehended them and then we can return them to the other side of the border we should surely do that I think that he believes that as you turn in general believes that by prosecuting them with this misdemeanor in a 1st offense of crossing the border illegally somehow we're going to deter that from happening in the future I don't think that that's going to work I don't think that that's going to deter it the president talked about border security let's address those issues about border security but the this is a nonsense breaking these families apart like this is just a nonstarter Numbers USA the Federation for American Immigration Reform these are conservative groups who have opposed the so-called moderate legislation that's moving in circles in the House they're calling it amnesty because it offers a path to citizenship for dreamers or DACA recipients are you ready to go against these conservative groups Garbin ready for a very long time I have a large span of community in my congressional district I've had the opportunity to meet with these families to get to know these families that have these children who are who are taken here. Young people were taken years children and so you know they have they're really part of the fabric of our community now they're part of the fabric of this country and they really the darkest status although better than nothing is a gray area so if I can just 30 go jump in for a 2nd President Trump has said that border issues are good for Republicans right now politically are you feeling that's the case. Not now not the way this is that how incompetent can you possibly be that think that this is a win a win for who a win for whom. Not for the American people not for this country not for the view of America internationally is as a beacon of hope for others and so this this has got to I mean this this is got to stop anybody who thinks that this is a successful policy is wrong that's Republican Congressman Mike Coffman of Colorado thank you for speaking with All Things Considered Thanks for having me. The funny pages in the newspaper there kind of visual comfort food the same characters day after day which is why the success of a new comic strip called Wallace the brave is unusual it launched just 3 years ago it is already appearing in more than $100.00 newspapers N.P.R.'s Glen Weldon explains how this comic strip is shaking things up at a time when the funny pages are shrinking think peanuts if Charlie Brown were less of a mope or Calvin and Hobbes if Calvin weren't a bit of a psychopath Wallace the brave is about a family there's dad a fisherman mom a gardener there almost feral young son Sterling who never met a bug he wouldn't eat and his older brother Wallace a rambunctious imaginative kid big on exploring Mostly we see the world of the strip through Wallace's eyes a sleepy east coast beach town called Snug Harbor where the streets are lined with ice cream shops and the beaches are dotted with Rocky type pools it's all like Jamestown Rhode Island where they strip creator 33 year old will Henry turns out $365.00 strips a year for growing audience which devours them in newspapers online or collected in book form he runs a gourmet one in chief shop in Jamestown we reached him on his day off I'm trying to get that sweet spot where kids enjoy it but parents also enjoy it too you know I don't want to be so late that the cutie I'd like the fantasy of a good. And out of that I don't buy the book after all the tone of the strip is gentle but not toothless Wallace's friend Spud is a ball of anxiety and indecision and his friend Amelia is a tough as nails trouble maker the world of childhood depicted in the strip is a timeless outdoorsy one reminiscent of strips like Calvin and Hobbes and cul de sac both of which Henry cites as influences I truly love comic strips and the art of it and how you can get a feeling of the joke across 2 seconds and I just then studying it and working on it I've been wavering for the last 15 years this year Wallace the brave is nominated for 2 or awards the comics industry's Oscars basically but its creator won't be attending the prestigious ceremony in San Diego next month be to a family clan take every I see all my relatives and I go on lobster and clams and it's the same weekend I got to tell you it's like Christmas like I can't go with the family Clambake Glen Weldon n.p.r. News. Considered from n.p.r. News. 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You'd see in news Governor John Hickenlooper has joined the growing chorus against the trumpet ministrations policy separating parents and children at the Us Mexico border Berkland reports he called it child abuse in the 1st signed an executive order banning any state resources from going toward separating children from families on the sole grounds that they are violating federal immigration laws Colorado isn't spending state money to do that now but the governor says he wanted to send a clear statement that the policy is unacceptable it's hard to imagine that you take children away from their families in a traumatic situation it's not going to have you know negative consequences right that's that's abuse right also wrote a letter to congressional leaders in Washington calling for the passage of the keep families together Act It's a bill that he says well only allows separation of children from their parents and the event as suspected abuse or trafficking it's estimated that several 1000 children have been separated from their parents since May I'm going to Markland at the state capital. 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News I'm Mary Louise Kelly And I'm Audie Cornish there are more threats of tariffs from the Trump administration on goods from China if you're keeping track at home that's up to $250000000000.00 in addition to last week's announcement tariffs on $50000000000.00 worth of Chinese imports yesterday the administration threatened tariffs on another $200000000000.00 worth of Chinese imports Beijing has promised to match the u.s. Response and on China's list of tariffs u.s. Soybeans this has American farmers worried because half of all soybeans grown in the u.s. Are export it to China as N.P.R.'s Rob Schmitz reports China's government has asked its own farmers to grow more soybeans to prepare the order came in April China's government instructed farmers in the country's northeastern breadbasket region to grow more soybeans labeling a quote a political priority. Soybean fields lay empty here in the village of sound all grown English name 3 ditches in Wyoming province it's been a dry spring yet he adds a lot. Had a drought this year so we planted soybeans late the ceiling should be out by now we need more rain farmer Leo only gives her surname for fear of trouble with local authorities soybeans as the government edict announced have become political China's central government has ordered local authorities to set aside 1600000 acres of land to grow more soybeans but here in 3 ditches farmer Leo would prefer not to show only grows soybeans because the farming collective she belongs to makes her on the plots of land she finds herself she grows corn Yeah I have been you don't need to know the Latin conquer legal it's too risky to grow beans on the income is less stable than growing corn you don't lose money growing corn soybean yields are too low and government subsidies is Leo aren't enough incentive to grow soybeans China produced $14000000.00 tonnes of Sorkin's last year and it imported nearly 100000000 more tonnes to meet domestic demand a 3rd of those imports were from the us but I don't wish you off I don't want to get mentioned yet none of us wants a trade war but if it happens we need to think about what's important China agricultural universities so ways nationalizes in soybean trade so says Chinese tariffs on imported soybeans will have a big impact on both the us and China markets it is really down both ways we don't mention it in judging from the land and water resources we have I don't think it's realistic to grow all the soybeans we need ourselves and completely replace u.s. Imports we use u.s. Soybeans mostly for oil we'd have to replace it with peanut and rapeseed oil says China can import those oils from Australia Canada and Central Europe instead but it won't be an easy transition for China. Back on a soybean farm in 3 digits village farmer Leo says she hasn't heard about the trades 5 between the u.s. And China Chen plugger television months ago Senator son will focus on his studies but if the guy. Herman asked her to grow more soybeans she said she would if the money were right. If they give me a better subsidy and provide sales channels for me then why not Chinese farmers who are willing to grow what ever a guarantee is more money Rob Schmitz n.p.r. News 3 ditches village China. If you've listened to Carty beat you know she has expensive taste I like. Her to be as a spokesperson for a brand that is much more affordable than Valencia a new n.p.r. 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Is incredibly important they have followers and they're able to influence their buying decisions Fashion know the has also used social media to fill this void left by the big brand names and high fashion magazines it caters to curvy women and women of color I'm fat like models aren't fat that's what Gabriella Connel thought when she was a kid now she's a 27 year old plus size Instagram model for fashion novas curve line she has 220000 followers she's gorgeous but also relatable living a normal life here in the Bronx let's kind of 1st gain some popularity on Instagram for her make up tutorials then in 2016 fashion Nova started sending her clothing This is another dress. Is that creating the race I 1st she got to the outfits she wore in the pictures as her following on Instagram increased fashion Nova started paying she won't tell me how much and she looks carefree and glamorous but the page is meticulously well planned out she watches her audience numbers intensely She's like a marketing team rolled into one. Like 6263 percent women and their age the age for women is mostly between 18 and 34 which is perfect she even times her posts to get maximum visibility this is her full time job I do my own hair my own makeup the photography the editing all of that work I do myself like a magazine ad but unlike supermodels she talks to her fashion Nova followers responds to their adoring comments this is not Twitter there's no nasty trolling Instagram has a filter which allows users to block words from the comments section Connell's list of blocked words and phrases is long early. 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Agent remove from the special counsel's Russia investigation for sending anti Trump text messages has been a scored out of the f.b.i. Building N.P.R.'s Brian Lucas has this update f.b.i. Special agent Peter Struck has come under intense criticism and scrutiny since it was discovered that he exchanged anti Trump texts with an f.b.i. Lawyer while working on 2 high profile investigations the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe and the Trump Russia investigation last week the Justice Department inspector general chastised struck over those texts saying they damage the F.B.I.'s reputation now struck has been escorted from the f.b.i. Building as part of the bureau's ongoing internal disciplinary process that's according to structure attorney who also says struck has been the target of unfounded personal attacks and political games he says struck wants to continue his work for the f.b.i. To keep the American people safe Ryan Lucas n.p.r. News Washington Meanwhile on Capitol Hill President Trump met privately this evening with House Republicans telling them they need to get something done on immigration right away pressure is intensifying on the administration over its policy of separating children from their parents who are trying to illegally cross the southwest border Meanwhile the Senate is considering a more narrow bill to stop families from being separated at the border Here's Majority Leader Mitch McConnell obviously it would need to be a narrow agreement to fix the problem that we all agree needs to be fixed Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer says Trump can put a stop to all of this Mr President you alone can fix it in fact the president alone can fix it with this flick of a pen by signing a presidential order to end the agonizing screams of small children who've been separated from their parents Mr President I'll lend you my pen on Wall Street stocks finished lower today you're listening to n.p.r. News. 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Europe and China Cooley advises entrepreneurs investors financial institutions and established companies around the world where innovation meets the law and from Americans for the Arts. From n.p.r. News this is All Things Considered I'm Audie Cornish and I'm Mary Louise Kelly. A recording of a migrant children crying for their mothers and fathers has gripped the nation and a man's voice saying well if we have an orchestra here what is missing as a conductor Ginger Thompson of the investigative news organization Pro Publica obtained this recording from a civil rights attorney who works on the Rio Grande Valley and ginger Thompson joins us now hey there how you find Thank you I want to ask you what you thought when you 1st heard this recording. It was it was shocking to be honest I have lots of small children in my own family and you know their voices kept ringing through my head as I was listening to the voices of these kids and thinking about what must these kids be going through. And it's just incredibly powerful and you to ask you some questions about the provenance of the tape and what you've done to go about trying to authenticate it. You got the recording as women. In from a civil rights of turning her name is Jennifer Harbury I want to play what she told c.b.s. News about the person who gave her the audio that particular person and I certainly know I. Did in fact make that tape recording. In person in person and brought it Ginger Thompson you have also spoken to the whistleblower can you tell us who it is what they might have been doing this in this facility the they were recording and I can tell you this Mary Louise This is a source that has had access to this the syllabi has had access to this facility on a number of case occasions and has legitimate reason to have access to this facility and has access to the people who are in the facility I can't tell you who the person is and I can't tell you what that person does because that would identify the person and that person is justifiably worried about retaliation for making this recording Do we know whether this audio was edited it was not it how do you know I spoke at length with the source about having all of this audio and had a long discussion about why we would not accept a tape that was edited so you were assured it was not edited and you found no evidence to the contrary none yeah I guess what I'm driving at is this question now is it possible to judge how representative this recording is of what's happening at these detention facilities Well a lot of times journalists what we do to try to explain a reality a big you know reality that involves thousands of people and we try to find one case go in deep on one as a way. That kind of show a larger reality could we say that this is what it looks like in every place I don't think we purport to say that this is what it looks like in every place but we say that this is certainly what it looks like here and if it looks like this here it raises questions about what it looks like in other places and I think gives some indication of what things might look like and other places but you get what I'm asking you is it in your mind a possibility at all that this was a particular way awful 7 minutes taken out of context Well not according to my source who as I've said you know has had access to these facilities for a while and has seen these kinds of separations and has been in the middle of this policy for a while so you know I got no indication from this source this is an average day at a Border Patrol facility. I want to ask you about one moment on the tape we hear it sounds like a little girl trying to call her Aunt and she were sorry it's her phone number. So she starts researching a phone number you took down the phone number and called and reached her and what have you learned about the girl and her aunt so this is the little girl who. Has come to the United States from El Salvador and her aunt tells me that this little girl and her mother had traveled more than a month from now Salvador across Mexico and across the u.s. Border to get here and that they were intercepted fairly quickly as they made it across the border and you know that they were taken to a Border Patrol facility and that the separation happened pretty quickly do we know . So if this moment where the was in the chronology is this right after the separation or do we know well the source who provided us the tape said that the children who were being recorded had been in the syllabi less than 24 hours can you paint me any more of a scene of what was happening at the moment this recording was made well one of the things you can hear fairly clearly are consular officials talking to the kids and trying to console them there is that one point where one of the officials talks to a kid is handing the child a toy and then there is sort of trying to urge the kids to eat something and they're handing out snacks and they're asking the kids where they're from Yukos. Border patrol official is also trying to console the kids I think in his comment about the orchestra he's he's kind of I think trying to lighten the mood and maybe you know cleanse that leads trying to joke with the kids it's just clear from the tape the kids there are inconsolable or past them. Where do you think this recording the 7 minutes where does that leave us in terms of our understanding of what's going on at the u.s. Border. And I think that there's been a lot of debate about this policy and where this policy came from and who started this policy and there's been sort of an effort to kind of keep it at a somewhat sanitized level where we talk and sort of sterile political terms I think the voices that have been left out of that conversation are the voices of the people with the most at stake the children are these children unless we hear from the children we don't have a real understanding of what it is what this policy is and what it's doing and what we are hoping is that that. What this tape does is provides a sort of real look at what the policy is and what impact it's having on on children. Ginger Thompson senior reporter with Pro Publica thanks very much thank you. You're listening to All Things Considered from n.p.r. News. It's been a decade since the financial crisis that devastated the global economy in the years that followed the collapse Congress and federal regulators drew up rules to rein in big banks and prevent another crisis report out today says banks have found a loophole around some of those rules and it warns that taxpayers could be on the hook if the economy takes a bad turn N.P.R.'s Jim Lee has been digging into this he joins us now and Jim the 2000 a crisis was caused by a lot of complicated financial investment so is this what the report is focused on yes yes let's say you own some kind of investment and you're worried that it might lose value a one way that you can protect yourself is by buying something called a credit default swap now that this is one of those really complex Wall Street products that works like a it works like a kind of an insurance contract you can you can even buy these contracts on someone else's investment and that's exactly what a lot of investors did in the years leading up to the crash they placed bets on assets owned by other people especially on mortgages the market for those those products was huge it was in the trillions of dollars so when the mortgage market tanked there were just enormous losses and they dragged the global economy down and after that Congress came in and set up a lot of new rules to govern these swaps Wall Street didn't like them because Wall Street makes a lot of money off of selling these products now reports as Wall Street as a loophole in the rules can you give us a little bit more background in the study itself in terms of who did it and what do they consider a loophole Well this is based on research by Michael Greenberger of the University of Maryland during the Clinton administration he was with the agency that regulates these contracts called the Commodity Futures Trading Commission Greenberger says all of this comes down to a single footnote in the regulations you know the kind of footnote that most people don't ever read it essentially says the regulations don't apply if. Audits are traded overseas and Greenberger says the banks interpreted this to mean that they could you know slot these trades off to their foreign subsidiaries wait a 2nd you're talking about swaps overseas why would that be a problem for u.s. Taxpayers Well it comes down to a question of who's on the hook I mean remember after the financial crisis u.s. Taxpayers had to bail out the banks for losses the the banks are saying that won't happen again this time because the East you know these trade swaps are traded overseas so u.s. Rules don't don't apply Victorien Berger says that's a fig leaf the fig leaf because even though a foreign subsidiary will be doing the trades these are still u.s. Banks so u.s. Taxpayers will have to bail them out the u.s. Economy seems to be doing fairly well right now how much should we really be concerned about this well we don't really know how big a problem this is Greenberger says a lot of these trades you know we just don't know that much about about how many there are but the former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker appeared at a press conference today to talk about this report and he says history really shows us that these these problems have a way of festering and then all of a sudden you have a you know a really big problem on your hands or charged or sugar bowl for. All for. Different degrees of competition so Federal regulators are aware of this loophole they've been working on this before under the Obama administration there was an effort that took some time to to try to tighten it. I reached out to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission today to find out what's going on with that but but they declined to comment That's N.P.R.'s Jim Jim thank you you're welcome. 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News this is All Things Considered I'm Mary Louise Kelly And I'm Audie Cornish the trumpet ministration is reversing another decision made by the Obama administration and pulling out of the UN's Human Rights Council the u.s. Ambassador to the un Nikki Haley says the body is not worthy of its name for too long to Human Rights Council has been a protector of human rights abusers and assessed for a political bias she stood alongside Secretary of State Mike pump a 0 to announce the u.s. Withdrawal 20 itself on the State Department is N.P.R.'s Michele Kelemen Hey there Michelle Hi Audie So tell us more about the case that the secretary Secretary of State pump ale made and Ambassador Haley what did they actually say about why they wanted to leave the council Well a couple of big reasons one concern is the focus on Israel let's take a listen and see what Secretary of State. Said about that since its creation the council's adopted more resolutions condemning Israel against the rest of the world combined so that's what officials mean when they talk about the political bias of the Human Rights Council this focus on Israel the other concern that this administration has is the membership of the this body countries with poor human rights records are on the council and that includes For instance Venezuela that's one reason that country didn't face grew to a for its human rights record this year Haley said she worked for the past year to try to force train changes to try to get things like Venezuela on the agenda but she complains that she didn't get much help even from European partners now our membership in this is relatively new right I mean why did the Obama administration joint Well the Obama administration if you know its idea was yes it's biased against Israel but maybe we can push for reform from within and it did have fewer resolutions during that time on Israel than it had previously and it was also to make a break from the Bush administration which didn't join the. And Rights Council u.n. Expert Columbia from Columbia University Richard gallon says that it was a way for his then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and for President Obama to kind of draw a line under the anti u.n. Period of the Bush administration and he told me in a Skype call today that there were some successes the u.s. Allies like quite small used to the council as a platform to highlight human rights abuses of Gadhafi in Libya and more recently Assad in Syria obviously the Human Rights Council has not affected the outcome of the Syrian war but at least a very t. Cells wreck who see atrocities being committed and already the same can be said of Iran the council did create a special rep a tour on Iran who's been detailing the abuses there so that's another thing that the u.s. Really pushed for so is there concern that the council may roll back some of this with the u.s. Pulling out I did hear concerns about that I talked to a guy name Hadi Ghaemi who runs the New York based Center for Human Rights in Iran and he told me that the mandate for that special repertoire was just renewed for a year but it's not clear what happens next year when members have to vote again Iran is on the Human Rights Council and so too are other countries with poor human rights record so there's a concern that without the u.s. Kind of pushing the agenda others fill the vacuum as anyone questioning the timing of this announcement it comes just a day after the u.n. High Commissioner for Human Rights criticize the Trump administration's policy for separating children from people who enter the u.s. Illegally Yeah that's right I mean critics of the of the time administration were quick to point out this fact former u.s. Ambassador to the u.n. Samantha Power said in a tweet today a government that rips children away from their parents has no room to posture like this on human rights we did ask people at officials at the State Department about the. Very awkward timing of this decision and they say you know this has been in the works for some time and not related to the criticism that's coming from the u.n. Human rights chief Ok That's N.P.R.'s Michele Kelemen at the State Department Michele thank you thank you. All right a study published today in the scientific journal plus offers insight into the complex relationship between drinking alcohol and the risk of cancer and premature death the study finds that light drinkers have the lowest risk N.P.R.'s Allison Aubrey reports researchers studied about 100000 people who lived in a bunch of u.s. Cities including Birmingham Boulder l.a. And Pittsburgh they were in their mid fifty's or early seventy's when the study began and all completed surveys about their alcohol consumption researchers tracked their health for about 9 years and found that the more a person drank the higher their risk of cancer and cancer related death Andrew Kirtzman of Queen's University Belfast in Ireland is the study author We definitely think it gives a bigger picture of what's going on so how much is too much this study suggests that light drinkers have the lowest combined risk of cancer in premature death even lower than people who never drink though it's not clear why in this study light drinking was defined as one to 5 drinks per week it seems to reassure Nightrain to the study suggests that cancer risk starts to increase when people drink more than a drink a day but the increase is modest moderate drinkers in the study had about a 10 percent increased risk of getting cancer its heavy drinkers who are most at risk for instance men who drank 3 drinks or more per day were $3.00 to $4.00 times more likely to develop cancer of the esophagus and liver cancer the study comes at a time when some of the top cancer doctors in the us are trying to get the word out about the risks of drinking too much Here's oncologist Noel low Conti of the University of Wisconsin She's the lead author of a recent statement from the American Society of Clinical Oncology we're not proponents of complete abstinence there probably isn't a monitoring Q That's Ok but from a cancer prevention standpoint if you want to prevent cancer then drinking the least amount of alcohol possible would be the best strategy in this study reinforced that as have other studies. But look Conti says the message has yet to get out most people are aware of the link between say skin cancer and sun exposure and lung cancer with tobacco use but when it comes to drinking alcohol we do not think that most Americans are currently aware of the link between alcohol and cancer in fact a survey done by the American Society of Clinical Oncology last year found that about 7 in 10 adults did not recognize drinking alcohol as a risk factor for cancer Conti says the group is pushing for more education to spread the word and help with the risks in context she says around the globe about 5 percent of all cancers are linked to alcohol that they've ones are head and neck cancers as well as liver color rectal and in women breast cancer look around she says one way to help people cut back is to help them be more realistic about how much they're actually consuming I think in helping people understand what light drinking is I think the 1st thing we need to need to talk about is what is a drink right so that's a single shot 5 ounces of wine or 12 ounces of beer it's really easy to drink more than this without realizing it current guidelines recommend no more than one drink a day for women too for men but look Conti says even this might be too much I think this study is I reviewed it looked like a safer amount would be one drink a day for everybody regardless of gender at least that's what this study suggests more research is underway Allison Aubrey n.p.r. 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