er. good mopping. michael will be back in the next week. good luck with that. we are overflown . and information is everywhere. how will change our lives and then. economists and professors. he shares overheated. the human cost of climate change. thank you for the show. thank you for joining us. i have to ask you first of all on the cover of this book. i figure it was either katrina or sandy. >> it was hurricane sandy from new jersey. and interestingly enough, i say nothing in the book about the potential for hurricane to hit new york because the book went to pets before hurricane sandy and i was trying to describe what might happen including in the united states, but the prospect of a hurricane in new york didn't seem. you're follow a scientist, you say. >> one of these things is it needs to be clarified. our policy makers are mostly interested how people are going to be affected. and the link between glaciers and mountain glaciers melting and my life is not well-spelled out. at least in my view not in a way that a popular audience can see so i was trying to make that connection to human institutions. we don't seem to get it though in the sense of taking the action that is strong enough to change things. and one reason is among the physical affects for example are the ice in the antarctic is melting and causing seas to rise but most of us don't know what that means to us. most of us don't know that it's going to mean even in the bay area that is not especially vulnerable to that. we're going to see flooding in san francisco and some of the other areas. we're going to see a risk of the failure of the sacramento and delta levees increase. >> that's a scary section. we're going to see a bunch of affects but when i say the ice sheets in antarctica are melting, that doesn't resaying mate. >> unless we see the polar bears. >> i'm not even persuaded about the polar bears. we need to know it's going to affect us which it will. it's important for people to understand how that will happen. >> we also talk about the phak that when something happens with the water level and you talk about two degrees of celsius and you talk about the numbers of people who liver. is it one meter which is about a foot? >> no. a meter is a little more than three feet. okay, sorry, so a meter of sea level. and yet, it seems like that won't happen for a while. it seems like a lot of this stuff is so remote and you say this is a threat when? >> well, it depends how yarrow going to count, so it's a threat now. possibly hurricane sandy. certainly if you live in sub saharan africa. if you live in the maldeze you're facing the end within a generation. lots of people are feeling the affects now. the affects just get bigger overtime. if i have is young kids -- kids by the time they're adults at my age, very serious affects will have reached us. if you go to any grandchildren i might have, it gets more serious. the problem is the harm gets worse and worse as time goes on. they have already started but to date they haven't been as bad as they will be. >> let's talk about some of the actual affects that we have to deal with. for instance, the flooding is one thing. we have seen that in other places but i a lot of people don't get hurricanes in the bay area. water shortages is another. if the sea water gets into places it shouldn't or the water supply, that is going to be a huge problem. >> it is. and that is actually a very hard thing to explain because water distribution systems are complicated and if we observe that a particular -- in a particular corner of the country of the world, salt water is going to intrude into our water system, it doesn't seem that serious. the problem is that you multiply that over lots and lots of systems, so you have a death of a thousand cuts where there are a lot of small affects that are hard to persuasively argue about. on the other hand there are lots of big affects which is frankly what i talk about. >> the next thing. you don't go out and water the crops with salt water. >> well, that's right and there's going to be -- the water crisis is clearly going to happen partly for that -- partly for intrusion of salt water, partly because we rely on mountain gracer -- glaciers to store our water. when those glaciers melt as they're doing, that storage facility won't work so we'll get more flooding when we don't want it and less water when we need it. >> gas prices we certainly have had a taste of that already and those will really go sky high and what about mass migration and you talk about climate refugee camps. >> right. so we're facing again with a high degree of confidence, we know they'll be displaced people on a scale we really haven't seen before and there's an additional problem which is what we normally do with displaced people is we try to get them to go back home after a while. you can't do that when rising floods move them out. so we're going to have proximate cause blue this century something like three% of the world's population displaced just for chi mat change, plus how they get displaced by water and all the things that we normally see and as far as i can tell, nobody has a serious plan to deal with this and i don't know that we could. where do we start in our time is precious and short here. one of the things you like is a carbon tax and i think people who are uh oh. we just got out of a recession and some of us are still feeling it. how much more is my gas going to cost is going to be the reaction. there's little enthusiasm as you say again to do this. >> i'm not prepared. i wouldn't say to anybody that this say costless thing that it's free to fix this problem. but we should be paying for what we use and what we use includes the harm for future generations. and we don't need to raise, for example, total tax rates. you can impose a carbon tax and provide tax rebaits, somewhere else. so the tax burden doesn't have to go up or you can use the revenue to pay off the deficit. but it's true we have to increase the price of fossil fuels. >> and is it too late? >> no. the skeptics are probably going -- maybe you should buy a copy for your favorite skeptic. i don't know about this stuff. anyway, andrew guzman we thank you for being here. the book is called overheated, the human cost of climate change. on thursday at 6:30 you can see dr. andrew guzman and dr. richard joseph jackson at the la fayette library in la fayette and that's all by the commonwealth club. you can check their website at commonwealthclub.org. thank you. stay with us. more ahead. she sang with beyonce and kelly rowland with the r and b girls group destiny's child. michelle went on to the solo recording with heart to yours. next she hit the broadway stage playing the title role in ieta. her music continues through recording and song-writing as she was cast in major roles in stage productions of the color purple, chicago, and what my husband doesn't know. recently, she performed again with destiny's child at the superbowl. michelle is currently in oakland performing in the musical at the paramount. take a look. at oakmont's paramount theater this afternoon and tonight as we take this on a thursday. michelle williams, we welcome you. >> thank you so much for having me. >> first of all a lot of us have seen clips of that and we certainly saw a little bit of that here, but who was cela? >> he was an amazing musician to come from nigeria. i have is heard people say that he is the bob dylan, bob marley, mohammad ali, james brown all into one person. i named a lot of people but i named a lot of great people and he ended up being a human activist. he didn't want to leave his country of nigeria until things were correct and people were treated equally with justice. he made music his weapon. >> wow. >> and you play the love interest? >> i do play the love interest, but i play more than his love interest, but i play the woman by the name of sandra isador who is still a diva and still kicking it in los angeles. she is the one that helps him to month lit size his music because she introduced him to to people like malcolm x, martin luther king, nina samone, angela davis is, wow, you know, just responsible for the change of the message in his music. >> and when you knew this story and you knew that this role was offered to you certainly, did you check and say does this resaying mate with me? am i going to be good for this or i am going to do it and i'll do what it takes to make it happen. >> i have seen it before on broadway and in london, and i was sitting in my seat saying i was -- there is no reason i shouldn't be in this show. i just love when i put stuff out there in the atmosphere, it always comes back. it's a show i've always wanted to be a part of. >> we're going to talk about that. you have done so many -- i'm reading your biography. no, she didn't do that and but goes on and on and on and on. destiny's child. first of all you met beyonce in a hotel lobby in atlanta. >> yes, we met in a hotel lobby in atlanta and it's funny when i would always meet destiny's child, i would only meet beyonce and kelly. people don't know i am not an original member. i got into the group into the year 2000. there were four and the amazing three. >> you made up for two. >> the checks got bigger. we didn't have to share the other part with anybody else. >> you got that one. you started a career in criminal justice. my dad had a job in a factory. >> i'm not seeing a lot of show business here. when you say all of a sudden after a couple of years of college, what did the parents say? my mother hated it she absolutely hatedded it. she wanted me to go back to school. i said mom if you let me do one more tour, i'm going to get you that chrysler 300 m. they were called the chrysler 300 m. if you do that, i'm going to get you that 300 m. she ended up getting more than that chrysler 300 m. i was blessed to be able to bless my parents. >> the first time you sang was seven years old in church. >> i was seven years old singing. i sang the him, blessed assurance. my uncle heard me mimicking my aunt who had all seen another song called great is thy faithfulness. if you can sing that song, you can sing another song. >> with destiny's child, everybody kind of went are you with it? you guys get together every now and then and it seems like the superbowl. oh, they're all going to be together. you had this reuniting kind of thing and that's not off the charts. that could always happen any time. it sounds like you guys are always talking to each other. >> we are always talking and in contact just keeping each other lifted up and it's hard out here especially alone. you know, we had so much fun as a group, you know what i mean. but it's harder alone. just to get a message to say hey girl, i'm thunking about you. i do that for them vice versa. it means a lot. you have won grammies. you have been nominated mogul which is what is the first word? >> original and black music. you want all these words for singing. and then you get tapped to play a lead on broadway. >> i wasn't my first acting experience but it was my first major professional broadway role and then you have me to be the lead, and i'm like oh my goodness. when i look back, that was like ten years ago. i am like i was pretty much a little girl. >> were you scared? >> i wasn't. >> i was nervous because you want to do a great job. heather hatley was a -- won a tony for that role. then i came after tony braxton so i had some big shoes to fill. so it made me step my game up a little bit. >> and then you played the color purple. the national tour and then you did roxy heart and you were the first african american woman to play that role in chicago. >> i was the first african american woman to play that role in london. >> i did chicago for two years. quick yes or no. do you ever wonder. you have done all these things and succeed at them. do you surprise yourself? >> i do. it lets me know and encourages myself to let me know that i'm stronger than i think. >> you are. michelle williams. you can see her today june 9th at 2:00 p.m. at 7:30 p.m. the paramount theater in oakland and for tickets and information you can go to the paramounttheater.com or ticketmaster.com. michelle williams, break a leg tonight. >> thank you so much. the last two shows, you don't want to miss it. stay with us. more ahead. thank you, michelle. >> all right, thank you. casey rice is here for the lgbt film festival. frameline 37 which opens at the castro theater on june 20th and runs 11 days. casey price, welcome back. >> susan, thanks for having me again. the longest-running largest lesbian and gay film festival in the country -- >> in the world. >> it's first ever. >> how has it evolved? >> it has evolved from a small group of films that were procorrected on a sheet 37 years ago in a very small community center that we used to have in san francisco that no longer exists to being one of the largest film festivals of any kind in the united states which is extra in order air. how do you think you are doing in 2013? >> pretty well on top of the festival which is our flagship program. we also have six other lgbt media arts programs that we do throughout the year. a lot of those films try to accomplish our mission to help change the world through the power of clear sun ma and we have a lot of success especially with helping youth and tolerance within schools. >> your festival. a oneliner. it's our closing night film. it's a comedy about a gay guy who comes out accidentally in school both because he wants to be the most popular kid in class because everybody wants to have a gbf now. let's take a look at gbf. >> you brought us an ensamble. get it together, girl. >> do not call me that. >> why? i meant girl with a you. gurl. oh, okay. um, so, hey, when we dust this off, can you take me to the mall and pick me out some eye shadow just like the old days, huh. you're so good with color. >> yeah, i don't think i'm leaving the house until college, but thanks. >> listen, i get it. i really do. what happened with tanner, i know that you didn't get to come out to me in the way that you wanted to. we didn't get to have our extra special mother/son lifetime movie moment. i know that. you don't want to go out tonight; right? i got a plan b. did you know that web plex has an entire gay and lesbian sex show? it blew my mind. okay, milk. i got that it's about a gay mayor. boys don't cry. this is a girl that wants to be a boy. that's a tricky one. brokeback mountain. that's the cowboys. >> okay, that's megan -- megan mullaly playing the mother trying a little too hard there but it's interesting because the evolution is going we can't talk about this. don't say anything to there she is trying to be cool with him. >> exactly the opposite. >> let's take a look at the second tip. it's called fire we make. >> it's from a collection of shorts called fire we make and this one is called the devotion project, forever on my mind. >> let's take a look. fire we make. >> we met officially on february 7th, 1999. we didn't start dating. our first date was may ones, 1999. >> prior to that, only men had been in my life. most of the men that i went out with were fabulous men. this friend of mine. >> you don't have a man in your life. if you were looking for somebody, what would you be looking for? tell me about this man? >> well, he would have to be a bmw. a black man working. he would have to be taller than me, smarter than me. younger than me. and would you believe within two weeks i met gail so she's my bww. she's 57. and i'm 75. she just twisted around. so it is 17.5 years difference. in age. >> evidencely she enjoys it. >> the age difference hasn't proven to be too much of an inhibition outside of we're able to introduce each other. maybe she wouldn't have come to a basketball game or to some of the clubs i might have gone to. >> that woman does not look 75. there it is. there's people of color and there's more women, i would think, and they're older. those are all things that maybe i haven't seen as much of before. right or wrong? >> i think the film festival has always shown a really representative film festival so we have always had a lot of representation, but i think what we're seeing is more and more of it, and just a higher quality, better film. >> you see breaking the stereotypes is the point? >> absolutely. >> are you happy with the way it's handleed in other media? for instance, tv, what comes to mind is modern family with the gay couple with the little girl that they adopted. and you see we were talking before saying the same parennal problem that you had with a child seem to come up. >> yes, i am happy in terms of the number of images that you're seeing on television now. i do think it gets back to what you were just bringing up in terms of i think the range of story telling is a little bit narrow in terms of the characters that you see tends to be a lot of times more upper class or upper middle class white men more than anything else. so one of the things that the festival fulfills for the community and the public, the general public is that we have a more representative selection of stories about how the community really is. >> and of course what it goes back to, the stories people tell. that is what these film festivals. that's the beauty of these festivals. it comes in gay pride month. there you go. thank you so much for joining us. the 37th frame line film festival runs june 20th through june 30th at the castro, roxy and victoria theaters in san francisco and the realto cinema in burkely. for more information visit frameline.org and we'll leave you now with the festival's lesbiana. i'm susan. thank you for watching. >> thank you, susan. >> you know when you're living in it, you don't realize you're making history until after it's over. santa monica shooting rampa this is kpixfive news. police have gunman in the santa monica shooting rampage were armed for battle. what they are revealing about his plan. >> ing fog swirls through the golden gate bridge. that spells relief especially inland. 8:30. sunday morning, june 89th. a whole lot to talk about in the next hour. we are talking about immigration. we had an in depth conversation and also all this talk about