July 4th. Only. This is. A 50th anniversary edition of The Beatles groundbreaking album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was recently released with a new stereo remix and lots of outtakes Today we hear from Giles Martin who produced the box set and several other Beatles projects and is the son of Sergeant Pepper's original producer George Martin we'll hear stories about the new production and the original album when Paul said we should guess I'm. Sorry I said. I mean oh this big sort of you know thing it just blows your mind and explodes on the speakers and we'll hear some outtakes Well the reassuring thing about The Beatles is even they had bad ideas that's on Fresh Air. First news. 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This is Fresh Air I'm Terry Gross I hope you're enjoying this July 4th this summer marks the 50th anniversary of the Beatles' groundbreaking album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band as part of the celebration of 4 cd box set was released collecting archival recordings from the Sergeant Pepper session including several of the basic vocal tracks before the addition of the orchestra sound effects and processing the box also includes the original mano version of the album that's the version that was originally released in England a hastily remixed stereo version is what was originally released in the us a new stereo remix is included in the anniversary box to my guest Giles Martin produced that remakes and over sort of this entire anniversary project he's the son of George Martin who produced the original Sergeant Pepper album George Martin gave the Beatles their 1st record contract produced their 1st single and work with them on all their albums through Abbey Road from the time Giles was a teenager he worked with his father in the studio Giles has worked on several other recent Beatles projects including the Beatles soundscape for the Cirque du Soleil production love the audio restoration of Beatles concerts for Ron Howard's documentary 8 Days a Week and The Beatles Rock Band video game was the executive producer of Paul McCartney's 2013 album new last month Giles Martin spoke to me from the Abbey Road Studios we started with his stereo remix of the title track of Sergeant Pepper from the new anniversary collection. Giles Martin welcome to Fresh Air so well why did you decide to do this project with the rehearsal takes on the outtakes and the stereo remakes and Amano version Well 1st up I mean it's not me that decides I'm kind of part of the process but it's really the Beatles that ring go in Poland and Yoko Ono Livia Harrison that kind of they run the Beatles and I work for them but I must in now what can we do here and what can we do with the fifty's on a verse or release and with that outtakes we wanted to really show how human the making of the Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was and I really opened up you know open up the engine and see what's inside and with the remakes we wanted to you know really eat. Explore the band's vision was when they mix it originally and sort of bring it into today's world hospice it was originally mixed in mano with the Beatles helping to oversee the mix but it was released in stereo and apparently the stereo the original stereo remakes was done very quickly whereas the original model mix was incredibly time consuming and meticulous what happened. Well I mean you're absolutely right the the band did mix the motto I mean the money you see in the u.k. Especially the time it was the thing I mean stereo was kind of a novelty and the way music Willis and was listened to through one speak in fact even as far as the Says the record was made to be played out of one speaker so when it comes in the mix and you know in today's standards the album did take very long but event it took an eternity it's 3 months to do the bandits you were hands on with a mix a mix of performance and they had their hands on the desk there with my father George Martin and Geoff Emerick and they mix the album physically and then when it came to the stereo the band name turned up and it was done very quickly they didn't really put the same effects on. It was more a question of crazy panning and in that for that for that reason what we did going back to this mix we kind of listen to what the boys did in the studios with the with the motto it's almost like the spirits who with us and was the Create a stereo mix out of that. So when you were remakes ing Sergeant Pepper's that the title track did you go back to the original recordings of the crowd sounds and the tuning up down to it you just have remakes the layers of tracks that we live in when we have to be we have to be it's a bit like Jurassic Park in a way have to find the yet to find the mosquito inside the amber to make the dinosaur and we we went back that the the audience sound the begin is such of absolutely host a band the song was taken from a recording my father did of a comedy troupe called Be on the French were to come to ship consisting of Dudley Moore Peter Cook Alan Bennett and Jonathan Miller who were a Cambridge University and he went up there in record of them and that was the audience so we found that tape when we we actually led it it was in stereo so we could now have stereo audio and so cause the you know the Beatles. Would would have bounced it down tomorrow sounds different and really the way to think about this mix is we're going from the the freshest possible serial thing about record. As that recording Rick at the end of the performance never gets old it's the you know we get old and recording as a sort of things are frozen in time and so everything we took was the earliest generation and that's lost to with why the album sounds like it does now so I want to play back to back the stereo mix that was released in the u.s. Back in 67 and your new stereo Remax and I thought we'd hear. Mr Kite being for the benefit of Mr Kite. Because I think Think you can hear how much more like vivid. The new remakes is I guess part of that is the technology to like you can just. Yet in a fit in a structure where in a strange way as technology but it's also we don't actually make things clearer if you think about the way my father had to record the Beatles he had they had a 4 track tape machine a one inch 4 track tape machines so you could have 4 things on one tape but of course when it came to Sergeant Pepper the album they wanted to have loads of different elements loaded and soundscapes and so what they would do they do a copy of a copy so or another copy save us in the days of cassettes we was to make a set copies that cassette copy would sound little bit dull or a little bit less dynamic there's no real button that says you know make things sound more live or more real as if this is what we're doing is we're taking away technology by having the 1st generations of tapes being played which they couldn't do when they mix they couldn't they couldn't sync up tape machines in the same way we can now and so a lot of the reason why people say that they with this new version of the album they can hear things is just because that's what's on tape and so I think my dream is to make people feel as though the close the close the band in the studio and they feel you know they can as my dad said John Lennon said to him you know I want to smell the sawdust and on this particular track we want to get them close to smelling the sawdust is there anything you'd like to say specifically about the stereo version of a song that was originally released in the u.s. And you're Remax. Well what you'll hear is that the West recorded at his record at life with ringer playing drums my dad is playing a harmonium which is kind of a wheezy organ that you pump your feet pulls playing live bass and John singing that's the 1st 4 track and then that's sort of in the verse the Kemah 67 that's the bounce down on bounced on against those 3 copies of it where we're working from that source material so you he'll hear them a lot clearer and then all of the Worley organ sounds which of the chopped up tapes the chops of Calliope's we have that tape and so we lead that across and we can swirl that around your head a lot more so if it's in stereo you can hear it go left or right and on the original it just has to stay in one place that not it's at all a g. So it's much more merciful and it's as you say it's clear and you feel close to John. So so let's hear 2 versions of being for the benefit of Mr Kite the 1st version from the original stereo that was released in the States in 1067 the 2nd version is the new 50th anniversary stereo remix we're going to hear the 2nd part of the song that the latter part of the song so we get to hear the Calliope stuff going on at the end. And that was the original 967 stereo version of For the benefit of Mr Kite and the new stereo remakes on the new 50th anniversary edition of Sergeant Pepper's produced by my guest Giles Martin who's the son of the original producer of Sergeant Pepper's George Martin So before we heard that you alluded to the chopped up tape of Calliope's So explain the chopping up because we heard that part. Well what happened was is that in the in the sort of bridge sections you hear sort of swirling and a lot of the chromatic runs so all the notes played on Octave slow down on how many organs as a guitar part as well and then then the tape sped up so it's double time. But they still couldn't get the sound of a circus or affair to match the division of that John Lennon had the of the poster he this song stems from a post of the John Lennon from the store which has base your lyrics on it of the Victorian circus and what my father realized that's do is they had a skit that fairground sound but a calliope is basically a steam organ that old steam organ that you see in fact grounds now they don't play what you really want to play you can get to play a part they sort of put in a punch card and the old well played will pay back what's in that punch card so all they could do was record a number of these organs and then chop and together Cripps to read his colors of sound so there's a swirling color. That creates a sound bit they always wanted my father in the Beatles always was a piece hit people hear sounds that I've heard before and being about being for the better Mr isn't is an excellent example of that. Let me reintroduce you here if you're just joining us my guest is Giles Martin he's the producer of the new 50th anniversary edition of The Beatles' groundbreaking album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and this edition includes the original version the new stereo remix the Charles Martin oversaw and then lots of like outtakes and rehearsal sessions and stuff so we're going to take a short break we'll be right back this is Fresh Air support for k.z. Comes from talk Blanche formally shop works on Pacific Avenue in downtown Santa Cruz be touring cooking tools bakeware coloring accessories for holiday meal preparation baking entertaining and gift giving details that might talk dot com and from farm discovery Live Earth offering farm camp scholarships and a new teen fields and meals camp where teen campers prepare 3 farm fresh dinners for their family plus serve the community more at farm Discovery dot org slash farm dash camps. This is Fresh Air and if you're just joining us my guest is Giles Martin and he is the producer of the new 50th anniversary box set of The Beatles' Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and I have to say that I'm that definitely produced the Beatles' appearance deftly it was definitely my father all right your father produced your George Yeah it was the only live version whole Yeah I've done is we've really mixed we've remakes the album and I was filled nervous about you know talking about it because you think I was in born when this came out and all I'm trying to do is serve them in a way that makes sense so I'm one of the things that made this album such a kind of cultural turning point musically is that it was it was a psychedelic album I mean there were things going on in the album that seemed almost designed for people to listen to while smoking marijuana are taking l.s.d. There's like weird effects that people thought of his like really trippy. If you want to talk at all about the I know you weren't this isn't 1987 you aren't around yet and yeah but you know what we took loads of that when we mixed it and. We have real lives you know I mean I was here and we go in the suits and we stay in we was it was you know what I think there's a lot written about that I think it just blew people's minds I think blue subsite brás Well as you know I don't think the album was designed for drugs and it wasn't really designed on drugs either you know I don't think I just I think it was they said if there's any fairly loose in the studio when they're recording it so I think they were experimenting with everything and music was one of those expire experimentations and I think that it's I think with the album Funny enough I think that you take the songs in isolation and they're not that wicked and they were they really are not weird it's just the fact that next to each other I think that's what makes a great album is the fact that you go from within you without you to When I'm Sixty-Four to a lovely reach I mean death reading Crilly be different songs almost by different bands it's almost as. It's a frantic record so we've been talking about how you know people who in 1967 or listening to Sergeant Pepper often thought of it as like really trippy because of all of the unusual processing and sound effects and overdubbing that was done on it. And distortions and so you could look at it as like wow psychedelic or you could see it as really borrowing heavily from the experimental music of the era so I want to talk with you about the end of a day in the life for all of this is like very evident so it ends with. A kind of dissonant piano chord that very slowly dissolves which we'll talk about it later but before that there's this kind of weird mix of sound and so before we hear it I want you to explain what's happening before that piano chord at Televisa is a extraordinary song you know it's almost you know it's like at the lake and it's thought process and it goes that's sort of you know almost it's 2 mindsets as John pull whereby you know John had this this beautiful haunting melody and then they had nothing to put in the middle and pulls it out got a. Little song which they just you know stuck in the middle and they had to join the 2 together. And when they record it they left a big hole they just left a hole where they where nothing happened at all and it was pulled it came up into my father and such no you know he was doing it being it was but also you know John Cage and all sorts of people just said you know we should do no casual orgasm. And I thought and I've said I'm sorry I'm sorry I said was do you do it to the quest log or some you know this big sort of you know thing and just you know you know blows your mind and explodes other speakers and and so they got a symphony orchestra they said they were going to get saved your show Mike My dad is amazing Think of a time he actually said I think you know we don't go over budget here chaps and so they go 60 piece and so I ring go say what I mean record them twice and if that what they did as a record of them 4 times and so we have a 4 track tape which fought with 4 orchestras on it which we can then combine for this new mix. And it's just extraordinary it's it's I can't think of another album that just has a symphony orchestra and as an effect you know it's like you know well it's a good sound here of the sound of a symphony orchestra be a good idea and so what here at the end of the. Of the song is this Christian dough from a low e. Which the sustained no to the end of the verse into a high e. Which is the final climax. And then they have to think Ok how do we finish this what we saw there and so everybody in the Arcus Tra is sliding up an octave ever in the ocean with my father telling when they were 2 not 2 to an learn everything they had let that with the way orchestras work as they have to work as one body you know that they are they are sort of there's a brain which you could argue as the 1st followers of the conductor and then all of the limbs you also have to work and complete not to harmony and you know teach to use the correct word and. My father told me if you're playing the same note as the person next to you're playing the wrong note but but there's markers on Egypt to reach this this at this stage you know and so they that it's a lot. The long list as we call it and and that's what they also played and because it was a Beatles session because of the 1st time we had the you know a symphony orchestra and that she did Beatles came in they invited I think Mary and faith and Mick Jagger and a whole lot of people were there and it was very you know read to marijuana smoke and maybe the Beatles maybe also as a clown costumes and animal heads and just does the video of it and this well they did it was like up it was like happening you know that's what they had in those days it was a happening in Studio one and I was coming extraordinary sound it's a sound that I do this is never to be repeated it's like it's incredibly intense and and then they had to once they come up the climax they had to finish with something and they had did not she recalled the piano Corps for quite a while later they knew they needed to resolve but they couldn't decide what to do so I'm going to play the new stereo remix that you've done of the end of the day and. My guest is Charles Martin who produced the new 50th anniversary box set of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band we'll hear outtakes from the ending of a day. And the life and hear more of the story behind it after a break I'm Terry Gross and this is Fresh Air. I I I I I. I. I. When you buy our Family Foundation supports w.h.y. Wise fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from Super of committed to doing its part to make the world a better place by supporting philanthropic initiatives in local communities learn more at Subaru dot com slash love promise love it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru and from Whole Foods Market offering 4th of July staples for barbecues and picnics such as meats side dishes and desserts ideas for 4th of July entertaining are available at Whole Foods Market dot com Whole Foods market we believe in real food. 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Hip hop artist Chris styles bacon takes the Oval Station seriously and invites artists from different cultures to mix it up on stage with him in the nation's capital the story in the music on the world join us for the world Tuesday evening at 6 o'clock on 90.3 you this is Fresh Air I'm Terry Gross back with Giles Martin who produced the new 50th anniversary box set of the groundbreaking Beatles album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band which includes the original model mix and Martin's new stereo remix the box also includes many outtakes from the session Giles is the son of George Martin who produced the original Sergeant Pepper album when we left off we were listening to the new stereo remix of the track a day in the life the end was intended to sound like on our Kestrel orgasm and finishes with a crashing sustained piano chord that very slowly decays now the new 50th anniversary box. Also has rehearsal sessions of what went on to create that that chord at the end so would you describe the piano chord that ends the track and how many pianos are there. Well that the they needed they did a beginning of a piano court was the way to go forward and what they did as a poll and John and Mel Evans They're already played 3 pianos but they played 3 pianos I think 3 times so and it's a 4 track tape and then they played a pianos and a sort of very distorted low end sort of Wurlitzer electric Orgon. On the 4th track to create this massive sort of sustain and it's very tricky you have to because what the pick is the other because they want the longest piano chord ever what they would do is ever to record it they would turn up the mike Pre as it were the the input gain so the piano chords it as it died away they'd make it louder in the studios. And that's what it is it's they wanted the biggest coat ever and they come they kind of got it Ok so what's really great is on the 50th anniversary album of Sergeant Pepper you have like a rehearsal track at the rehearsal track. That's like an outtake of this and we hear them putting together the piano the piano court so you know this is this isn't a rehearsal track actually this is this is what they actually use this is that music you know this is how they they're just trying to go for it you know you haven't talked to each other and this is this is once they decide to do it this is the process of them recording it Ok so here's that. 23. 66. Or. You know you know with. 0. 3. 7. Or. 3. It's. Just. Like 9. To 3. So that's like the raw material of the end. Of. A day in the life now there's another track that is an outtake of this and it's kind of the Beatles doing a vocal harmony version of an ending chord that isn't nearly as dramatic. So explain what's going on with this and then we'll hear it well the reassuring thing about The Beatles is even they had bad ideas but you have make it a sell by a better That doesn't mean that you know. For anyone aspiring to be an artist out there never be scared of a bad idea just be scared of sticking with it I think is the is the answer and and so they their their original idea not theirs before the piano reside there was a credit sort of almost of a choir at the end and and I think I don't know who's in the studios with them you can hear other people jetting and they're giving directions but this is their original plan for the end of a dead life and the end of the most famous album of all time. So let's hear it. That you know you know. Why. Why. Why. Oh. Ok so that's that's an outtake that's on the new 50th anniversary edition of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band So why did they reject this I just think it doesn't you know you know I think it is your listeners can tell doesn't have much impact you know they needed a big big ending and and that was in it and in fact you can hear it at the end of the at the very end of that week by put the the 4 check the record on for check did they did a properly I mean think about the Beatles that stick to their guns and they wouldn't give up on the idea and I finished it and then they realize that it's in work. Interesting and great to be let into the process. Well I think it is I think what I think the beauty of listen to the process is that is that you realize that there's a lot of talk about this album being you know the sort of albums you know Davitt delivered by unicorns and some from the gods and plucked from the skies and and you know delivered by a drug haze but really it the beauty of it is it's just for human beings making noise in the studios that had to make a very good noise with very good songs. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more if you're just joining us my guest is Giles Martin the producer of the new 50th anniversary box set of The Beatles' 1967 groundbreaking album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band He's also the son of George Martin who is the producer of the original album and produced several of the Beatles recordings so we'll be right back this is Fresh Air support for k.z. 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So I want to talk to you about one of my favorite things on this box set and there are so many tracks on it it's it's hard to choose but. There's just like a kind of cotton acoustic take off strawberry fields and the the final version of it has a lot of like there's processing on John Lennon's voice there's you know a lot of you know added instruments on and this is just like very stripped down there's no processing on his voice and whereas the actual release version sounds kind of like psychedelic trippy the original version sounds very just kind of wistful and alienated. Well it's kind of he has kind of a sweet reserve and I think that's lost in the process of you know Joan My father was just so you know John devil I decide it was our voice that's the thing is you know into demand them to make changes and you know he was just a natural beautiful singer he had always you know and so here I had on this the other thing about the original story feels of course they had to slow it down and that gives that keeps you sort of a demonic edge there your slow down voice and so what you hear is it John slowed down effect it had on this album. There's very few occurrences of a natural voice they played around with the tempos you know on When I'm Sixty-Four Paul's voice is sped up you know and same with you know they Penny Lane his voice is spent up and all sort of feels John's a slow down it's there all over the shop just a church just for a change change things but you're right on the down the demo or on the 1st take a story fills you hear the song what it is which is an incredibly complex but beautiful personal sort of diary to his time in Liverpool what was Strawberry Fields I mean his actual place right yesterday feels a still it's a park in Liverpool John's home and he would you know a I think that the funny thing about them is that very few bands are as are as identified by their place as much as the Beatles are you know I don't know whether it's because they are. No successful but I think it's more the fact that The Beatles never really they took Liverpool with them wherever they went they were very proud of where they're from and I still love and this was despite the turmoil of going around the world and you know picking up in flutes ref where you know the way that they were going to root themselves in this new sort of psychedelic as you say album was to start with the home place which the story feels and then pull councillor Penny Lane and you can to Kemah Kiran to hear this in this very early take you can hear that it's you know my dad always said he was remembers the day the junk came in and he said My dad said in the still and in John suddenly still and played and played in the sun in the studio floor and that was always his favorite one of his favorite memories Ok so let's hear the original track of strawberry fields without any processing or speeding up or slowing down without extra instruments Here's John Lennon singing. That's a track from the 50th on of. 3 box that Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and that's a version of strawberry fields without processing without extra instruments and my guess is Giles Martin who who oversaw the production of this new box set and his father was the producer on the original album Sergeant Pepper's. So you know I hear that and I wonder like what exactly was it that John Lennon didn't like about his voice his voice is just so so sweet and so I don't know kind of captivating. Do you know why he didn't like his own voice. Well I do think it was just his voice he did like you know my father always told me that the sounds that John had in his head but never the sounds they got on record and off the Beatle spit up you know they all had was like a smash and some of the talkie hammer they all clustered in different sections of corners of the world and John did a few interviews nice or criticize my father when it came to you know you know let it be said you know I don't want any of your of your production. A rude word on this album you know I want you ruining it with your production and my dad was a deeply offended because he he was actually very close to John to begin with and there was a you know that everyone changed and he went back he had spoke to John in a long time and he went back John phoned him up anyway because of the Coda building in New York John lived in 1080 just a month before he died I think and my dad said listen John you said some terrible things about him and he goes as a joke you know which pages I was high to him put by for that sort of like you know be my father sort of did really except as an excuse but then he said you know do you know what I let's do George because a lot to record everything again. Tepper didn't really because what about Strawberry Fields you guys are specially Strawberry Fields and he never really was content with that with you know not the sound of his voice but never really thought they know what was in his head and I think this what you know this is why they pursue haud you know sonic perfection or or interesting sounds is because their goals were so high and so with his voice he had you know he's one of the best singers in the world but it was never good enough and so you always wanted some something something else he wanted some sort of change done to his voice I want to play one of the I don't know what to call if this is an outtake or just like the check that was layered over this is Good morning you really get to hear them as a band without other instruments on that because it's a kind of naked track renos drumming us is really so good on this it really showcases his drumming ring as a great drama and I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and you know we talked about this and he just said Snow I love this because you can him you know people to him at my drums and he said let's turn the drums up it's just that we have to be so careful now days of the needle jumping out of the groove or breaking someone speakers 50 years ago we can be more courageous with dynamics but you know he was an amazing and he was you know every amazing band has to have a great drama. And this particular tracks interesting as it says she bring go and pull playing drums together you know the the hits sort of kick drum you can hear the sort of flappy kick drum sound as is pole hitting it hitting a kick drum. So that's the that's what the take us this is that she the Take That was used this is them playing you know playing live and and recording it before they did you know the ever done the process the sort of the sexes. And the bass I think so backing vocals on the animal sounds at the end I mean the funny thing about the animal sounds on Good Morning is John. Demanded that each animal could eat the next animal in line with. This request Yes Oh so you so you this is and I think this is true through the for the whole of this just shows you that it's kind of it's you have to start off with Brewer emotion you know as a as a starting point for something that touches you and then you can embellish it with other full and interesting colors but it's the rule impact that is always you always go back to as a listener So let's hear that kind of naked version of Good morning before all the other things were layered on top of it this is from the 50th anniversary box set edition of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. So that's from the 50th anniversary edition of Sanjay. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and my guest is the producer who oversaw this project Giles Martin and he's the son of George Martin who produced the original album back in 1967 so we're going to take a short break we'll be right back this is Fresh Air. 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This is Fresh Air Let's get back to my interview with Giles Martin who produced the new 50th anniversary box set of The Beatles album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band his father George Martin produced the original $967.00 album the new box includes outtakes and Giles new stereo remix of the album So how closely did you work with Paul and Ringo on this 50th anniversary project. Well you know once we decide we had to in effect it was a strange time because. When we initiate there she will speak in a way because actually my father was very sick and he said he passed away last year in March and I knew I was going do this project and I came back to the studios and the 1st voice I heard was his you know she said to me Well we don't love that that that that that Joan you know she goes it's funny John's chance to foist now and that kind of. Touch me a little bit of might hear my father the studios and so we talked to out what we were going to do you know there were you know that answer to them obviously it's their record it's their music and it's very humbling that they have so much confidence in me you know with what I've done and they like what I do so really in the studios what happens is I go off and I have a great Cal and we work together we talk about I think about for a while with our approach and then we do admin I'll go and sit with Poehler and go and play it's them it's as simple as that and it really is it's just a sort of very very small unit and we're trying to the best we can and you know if they're not happy then no one gets to hear it as I have a sort of idea down this blanket around me which is them where they they encourage me to push boundaries and go crazy because they could say no and that's kind of reassuring in a funny way. You know you have distance on the album in the sense that people who grew up with that album tended to play it like all over and over and over and to be listening to you know what the secret message in this track what are they doing with the Calliope How do they break that chord and you get so used to hearing it as it was originally done that the thought of hearing a death differently is you know originally very off putting in some ways to a lot of people because like no this is how it's supposed to be the way I heard it and you have distance on that like you didn't grow up hearing it over and over again you didn't grow up with it so you can just hear it. As music and you know make decisions about how to improve the mix or like you know historically what's most interesting was something like this I had the advantage of not you know I couldn't and this again of setting people I could have been to probably probably named the running order of sergeant but only hostile band before I started working on it because I almost distance by itself deliberately so I can approach it in a new way and and and then like that I also listen to other people as well I listen to you know the real fans know some you know there's some experts I note on the vitamin to the studios and see whether they're going to fall by my house. You know and and and also this professor who Bob clear mountain is a very famous Mick says news a good friend of mine and a while back I went to studios I was in l.a. And I played him some because the mixes and he goes now Mike I feel like I'm a taken we'd listen to the album for the 1st time he was crying and I said they were Ok well you know this is this is what I'm doing the right direction here's someone who has who's mix you know David Bowie and Roxy Music and Bruce Springsteen and he's impressed so you have to be careful at the same time my job with them and what they will me to do is to try and push boundaries in the same way that they did and that's my responsibility and the use of have to you have to take that and run with it so a question about your father my understanding as you started working in the recording studio when your father started losing his hearing any wanted he wanted you to help him. How much hearing loss did he have and as somebody who worked in sound all of his life what was it like for him when he started losing his hearing. His to his sound loss was gradual but consistent you know he was pretty profoundly deaf when he died. And for him I think it was more the loss of conversation the loss of not be able to his grandchildren more than music you've heard enough music in his life used to say if you tell me upside down notes will fall out. But he you know it I think in a funny way you know he never I was I was good at Muse I nice as a with. A kind of Ok as music as a kid I was going to be a little bit better than my friends a school maybe not Mozart but I was I was I was in bad I He could tell I started busking the streets of London when I was 15 he could tell I had music in me and I had the bug and he was like you know you're not going to music is no way going to music and then he said losing his hearing he thought of. What do I have I've got this precocious son that could be my ears and that's the way we work together I mean for quite a young age I was in studios with him listening and the and we had a sort of a strange to you know he thought he thought we were telepathic it before he died he thought we had telepathic but I'm not sure we were but we did have a complete understanding of each other and I knew what he wanted to hear it was tough my dad because he was so good you know study better than I was and yet his one thing he had that was great he started losing but what he lost one thing else because my father was incredibly intelligent or you spoke to him he was very witty he was charming and people thought if you go deaf people think you're dumb you know people think you know engaging you know and that's and I think that one thing else he made great music it was just he missed out on conversation did your father teach you how to listen or what to listen for. Yeah I think. He didn't sit down and say Now listen Giles that's what you'd be listening for but he would explain frequencies to me the same we did with the Beatles he was fascinated by the colors of sounds you know we do listen to sound and colors I mean I can I think people surprise people I work with that's the edge there is a surprise that I can go you know we did sort of move like today be a Fortune 50 hertz or you know it's a you know the you can you can hear frequencies I suppose that's a speciality that he would teach me but I think that I think I liked I'd learnt how to listen because I knew what frequencies he couldn't hear and I'd have to fill in and then it became more and more and so it's like a gradual imbibing process it's not a no. You know you do you know and I think the other is you have to question what you do all the time you know you know I do this and you know I have to make the final decision but I could always be wrong and yourself you just have to cut your rights because you know quite sure you know it's a bit like Bullet choosing colors really you think you hope you chose the right color and you'll see it in the same way the rest the world says that jazz Martin it's been a pleasure talking with you thank you so much and congratulations on the anniversary box set Terry thank you so much Abbey I'm honored to be on the show thank you very much jazz Martin produced the Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 50th anniversary box set when I spoke with him in June he was in the Abbey Road Studios in London tomorrow on Fresh Air My guest will be Rick warts min author of the new book The End of loyalty The Rise and Fall of good jobs in America it's about the erosion of the social contract between employer and employee will also hear from Sharon Horrigan co-creator and star of the Amazon comedy series catastrophe I hope you'll join us Fresh Air's executive producer is the an emailer interviews and reviews are produced in edited by any salad Myers and we both are not oh Sam Briger . 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