For your walk where you just have a dual purpose and you don't it's even cheaper so you don't have to go in there and try to fix it every time it gets overgrown it's unsightly and it's just it's 2018 we need become a modern city I don't think a lot of modern cities have opened ditches and we've got a couple 100 miles of open ditches here in the city Giles and Dr Charles common talks about by compressed rim paths in Jonesboro and how they would be funded you know pedestrians of all types of all kinds bikes motorcycles The Whole 9 Yards I think there should have been a push for the wiring of the streets you know Jonesborough still to me is an awakening city and awaken a city sometimes don't understand that you're going to have a flux of different type person now personalities move in here that these needs that they have to have that's what they mean used to in other areas but I think when you promote a city that you need to promote promote the whole city and the whole city says and he said walks but I need why out of Seattle and the reason for why out of this because people in wheelchairs the south also have to me still not wide enough and they still are not totally 88 compliant with you get to the vast circles that I think haven't I thought it is I mean the airbags not riding the car to work anymore I mean that's just the playing and so to me if you know growing growing city you need to actively think about the future of your city not just let's do this now or let's get a grant because guess what everything that work on grants and so before the Bassett is concerned I think there's a need for the trails I think there's a need for curves that what I call a curve sat interest that's my state that how about sickle can be able to go all over the city not just from home to their employment but if they want to go to the mall they want to go downtown to you know what I want to go I think there needs to be a safe area for them to write in right now how would these be funded well you've got 3 ways in my particular mind need to be funny I think we have as a city and I say this open before so I'll say it again on this on his radio station we don't. Work Well what I mean is to get funding for some of the things that we need so that's part of the funding going it is probably the best way because of the national tree and for bicycle that's that's going to be the best way and of course the last thing is taxes you know where you like to state the not going to lose this town is going to have to have some contact but but here's what I like to say about the taxes before I go on further I'm for dedicated taxes and what I mean dedicated taxes where we can just move around like we want to move it around you know if they say well here's a tax for bass circles or lane for bass and let that be just for the vast circles and no mess with it you know don't stick if a has hit you don't bring it before the city council don't badger the mayor that particular tax is for that if there is a tax for the fire department or tax for the police form let that particular tax be for those particular into this so back to that fund and that's the only way that we're going to be a we do it you know how do you deal with people those say you know what I don't care what it is if it's a tax and I voted for it Well I think and I have to be careful with this and well not really careful because I'm a Christian and about displaying the say this is will be a battle Bill slate Bob will say really and sees what it sees really to God who is God and this is pay taxes as you supposed to pay taxes I mean that's in about well so how do you not do it yeah I mean that's my personal opinion and Dr Charles Coleman talks about the push for sidewalks is there has been a push for sidewalks and I asked him about the feel that more sidewalks are needed in Jonesborough And what would be the plan for placing more sidewalks in Jonesborough Well we need more side walls that we need to mend and I call in particular let me give you an example which has been my pit people 8 years Patrick street. Every time you have a building goes up or a public complex go up and you don't have sad walks in the year especially going the train that goes into the street that's a major problem because guess what in these apartments you have a group or a bunch of children and if the shooting or walking out in the middle street you know I get talked about all the time about talking about paths of I'm not going to have to stop talk about passion even if I'm not on the council may because firstly the street need to be wet now and this year I'm happy to say that we have appropriated $250000.00 but that's because our battered badge a badge a badge it but I'm still not happy with the $250000.00 what I mean by that you can put sad while seeing it but if you don't wear the streets. You might come back and read a bill sad all the way to St So why not why are the streets 1st then put the saddle back to the may decide well these kids some need some place to all but I have to admit I don't like it is our last everywhere but if you dealing with the model if you didn't. Complexes health complexes if you dealing with. Places like the hill centers and Tate like that you need sound works you know for people welcome What do you think about the sidewalk ordinance that was passed by the council. That took many years I think that sad walk or this should have been passed a long time ago I mean my personal feeling the problem is that when. You know better remember I was I asked the. Not so the home builders to join the city in putting that particular orders together so when just to the city itself I think we could have done it without joining with others into the city you can't be the city all by yourself I mean you that include the interest in this community and so when I asked Mr Carwell if he would join Joe to map out an ordinance for the solder . I was really happy now to say that I'm totally satisfied No I think if you really want to do told the things right then indeed to be more if the Senate and I think gave about a need to join a band not affect I thought even issues should have been part of that media gathering you have to know and call well and possibly issue you know issues that said I had bass if the signals were and I think that's one of things I think that we have not done well I don't know why maybe it's something I have before I got on the council 8 years ago but I think I need to be more committed between the 2 where we are planning for placing more sidewalks and Jones Well the plan number one is what I'm doing now and as Steele talk about it still don't go into the customer when I say the custom of the people and one thing I need to emphasize that I said yes they say it again you know we were for you gas I don't know what people have thought of the council is this a separate entity they do what they want to when they get ready but we work for you guys and so I think that the direction of going should be more if his own what the community wants force I was not what the city council wants for what's coming to work in Tom Elwood address is a sidewalk issue sure because I'm a walker myself I like to walk for relaxation and can enjoy the day especially like an afternoon So yes sidewalks are really important but whenever you start doing an ordinance let's say we're going to make a sidewalk out of cement It's got to be 2 inches deep it's got to be 2 foot and I was certain somebody comes out with a new material to make a better walking material and cement now said you were locked into this ordinance you didn't do it the way it was said so whenever you try to put things in the riding. It's great for lawyers and stuff like that but you always have to have some kind of waiver or some kind of work common sense is involved these walkways have to connect to each other and there's ways of connecting sidewalks and making the city more walkable and I'd like to talk about them later so yeah well and what are some of the I. As you would have way of putting more sidewalks well so really when you think about sidewalks you're kind of limited that if you need to be walkable it could be sidewalks it could be grass it could be it just needs to be safe we're not going to get ran no now a lot of the some of the better subdivisions in town that have wider streets and face you have never noticed so the with of the street is important too because that gives you an area Roger bicycles or wall some cities paint lines so you've got an automatic back trail so if you're going to do anything in an ordinance thing you need to address the with the road so it can be more sensible we are talking to both of the candidates for alderman the city of Jonesboro ward to position one incumbent is Dr Charles Coleman and Tom Elwood is running against Dr Coleman in the race as we continue asking questions I started with Mr Elwood and asked him about there's been a call for an aquatic center or a water park in Jonesborough similar to what's in peril gold or Batesville and I asked about thoughts about an aquatic center and how that would be accomplished and also how something like that could be funded and here was his response Well that's a great deal and parable does have a kind of a smaller one I heard my brother he went to proper blood Missouri and I understand they've got a spectacular water park up there and it's kind of a destination attraction for a lot of people and you can tell me that's most funny their head well they had golf carts and they had everything besides you know it's not just a swimming pool. Location location location location is very important you're going to Water Park City's bottomland gentleman Campbell which I cannot think of a worse location to build a swimming pool of any kind it's a very flat prone area not stable and it's so far away from down downtown or where the restaurants are I mean if your family's going to come into town they're going to spend money they're going to a water park. You're out on Dan Avenue you're going home. You know the water park could be somewhere closer to the mall because there's a walking track down there there's empty spots across or I think either the army or the. Big lot right across from this bank it right now and I'm sure it's very expensive but if it's government owned there should be some way that the state legislature or the governor somebody could get involved and get that land to the city so that would cost that would you know cut the cost of the dune and we've got a family there right there but we're all those restaurants are you know when they get done they're going to go over to Olive Garden or Outback or just any place and you know have a meal or go shop and so to me it makes more sense to put it in the more. People area because even with the grain trail they've got around there people you know young to receive a lot to Roger back to it's already kind of set up for put in there so that's kind of my thoughts on how do you think something like that could be funded well funding is tricky like I said if you could get the land you know for very low cost and you already got you know budgets for the money but yeah it would be I don't know if you could have a bond raise an issue they used to do that they would sell bonds for a specific thing you know I'm not sure that they do that on financing anymore but there's. You know money is always going to be an issue but money is something that we used to get to where we want to go and it's the budget is so big and it's so diversified and it's and I understand the complexities of trying to make this happen but you have to do it kind of piecemeal you got to kind of get your concepts together you got to get everybody on board and that's how things happen and Dr Charles Coleman talks about an aquatic center in Jonesborough Well I think they'll sue things are valuable into the but here's where we get in trouble we try to do too much it's the one at one time you know we don't have now we're talking about we don't want taxes Well most people maybe don't want well how do you get aquatic center here unless you get a grant but a grant can save a great runs out after a certain period of time so here we go back to that designated tax situation so I think if you have tried to get Aquatic Center which I think it's possible to for the have it all there but you've got to have some way to fund it and then once you find it then how are you going to maintain it. You have to have money to maintain it so does the citizens of this community want that in just just put in the sit there and then go away or do they want to hip by employment of what I call taxes which will also work hard people put some people to work particularly for distorting issue hate to say that this one but I've worked here actually belonged to a few for the son of a tad here so you know a lot of students are you need work and so when you put these type into z. And. Then what you got and promise situation coming and also I asked both of them about the city's reserves Jones or Mayor Harold parent saying the reserves in the city are being depleted a rapid rate and uses of action does not take place other measures might be needed and I asked both of them how they would plan to address the issue about reserves in the city budget I started with Dr Coleman 1st. One of the things that I will continue to make the statement you can't you can't be elected but it given out raises you know it's just that simple you can't talk about raises and then talk about the budget has been depleted I decided it's just my personal feeling about it so I think if you're going to deal back to. One of my 1st statements when I 1st talk and you don't have to have dedicated money is going to dedicate it played you can have money go on here and you move it here and you keep at the wow when you start if you keep moving money around guess what you don't have a place for it to move when it's gone I'll be gone you know when he goes in a circle it just goes in 360 degrees you need to have dedicated this time limit you have any you have a sunrise on certain farms that you get come in and take this particular into that we do and don't spare us on a way that we may have had to but in a corrective way where we just don't spend money just to be spent in money and I asked Mr Elwood about the reserves and the city budget. Well budgets are one thing and they're public documents and they're talking about sales tax you know and they always bring you know red flag early in the air because it's got to be the end of the year when your sales tax you compare year to year you don't really compare month to month and quarter to quarter. When you budget in money you don't always run out of money either in your budget you can like to have some less so I have no doubt that the reserves are down and this is down this is down and this is but they're also coming up at the same time that you never hear about that things thing to balance out in the long run so some of that is and it's important not saying it's not but you talk about the budget sit Jonesborough it is so big and so complex that you think one guy's going to sit down to figure this out well I'm sorry but you have to have professionals figure out your budgets and where you go on and I see with the city waste so much money on when they're trying to operate and do something because they don't really know how to how to approach something and do something they always want to get a study and they want to pay for a study and then you're paying for study after study after study and nothing gets done and then when they get the results of the study they don't go bomb so it's kind of a spinning wheel that kind of need to grab a little bit of traction ever noun and so that the rest of us and kind of relate to what's going on and feel like we're kind of a part of what the direction the city just results because we're going somewhere and there's no stopping this train I mean we have to. Kind of make sure it's at least get some of our world views on how things are going right I asked both candidates about their view on the traffic issues that are in Jonesborough and I asked him about what they thought the traffic issues were by way of how this should be resolved in the future and I asked this 1st to Mr Elwood Well traffic issues are always going to be there in course technology may solve the whole problem for all of us they're getting driverless vehicles now and you've got vehicles now so things are going to change in the future. The only thing about the streets is I like to keep them a little cleaner a little nicer there's ways of doing that too without these big street sweepers there's actually a company that makes a little it almost looks like a golf cart it's got a vacuum on it you back up to a dumpster and dump it you go along the curbs there that's where all the nails in the leaves and everything that plugs up the drainage system plus it's near cigarette butts and it can all be vacuumed up low cost and go dump it so the streets and stuff I mean it's it's going to be flushed rain especially as well the vehicles even get so fast they're almost like race cars now you can you don't have to have a high model car now to go 060 from Traffic Live to traffic lots of technology is probably our only resource I don't think. There's a whole lot of physical things you can do I start comin about traffic issues right now we get a say bought and I see this let me just give you the whole picture because Jones when I moved here 20 years ago there's no way out though Joe and it will grow this fat I remember telling my wife I was here a week and I made a statement a mile away we in trouble in a way so what do you mean when show us it is see it is get it to blow away what I mean by blow away we're not going to have enough roads we're not going to have enough how we interest for trucks and stuff to come in and if you look at bit of the whole mostly streets are not white enough Ok that makes sense to Soviet not wide enough then we need to also have and backed. I guess I keep harping on the small we got to have some kind of funding that says these rules need to be wired in the street need to be wiring you go down and we will pull over I remember when I 1st walked in ox us there is a version I can actually go from the engineering department our way down at 63 in a matter of minutes you came in get off this campus in a matter of minutes you can say I live on fish street you can hardly get from my house to the other side of Jones Well so until they do some with the traffic also with the lighting you know we have a good. Probably best rate they have seen in many cities you know they work for the city for the traffic lights and so he has a great concern in the same space concerned I have 3 need to be wired and we need to find different ways we have a gentleman had designated some money for a proper weather over. The North Park as we call it and there's an area they can transport say from 141 back to maybe Patrick that type of thing need to be taken care of so us at the center of trying to get more places for us to go we won't be able to go to the different places if we don't wire the streets and have a better way of you know what our traffic but you can't do it without money right and there's always a big issue the bottom line is about money and so I had to keep harping on it and made it. The point is people have probably for Israel let me but I'm sorry it takes money to do everything that you need to do. I'm talking to Dr Charles Coleman and Tom Elwood Coleman is the and combin and Elwood is the challenger this is for Jonesboro Alderman position Ward 2 position one the next question I asked was about growth in Jonesborough as it continues to increase at about 3 percent a year and I asked both gentlemen what they thought about the city's approach for future planning and infrastructure needs at such a high growth rate and I started with Dr Coleman one of the ways that you do that is the chamber and the city needs to get together and join hands and move it more strongly with it into the keep bringing up the issue because that's what those 3 if this need to work on the plan together because there's no way guess students coming in and polled at 3 percent are you almost 2 percent is actually students that one time so the students got to be able to go here or if it were just like the quarter they talk about doing from a shoot down town that should have been that it should have been not 20 years ago so quit talking about it and let's just do it and if we need to have the financial equity to get it done let's just go into that's always going to be done right and how do you feel about some there's been some criticism from some say that you know when you look at planning in that that planning decisions are made without any future thoughts of how that will impact years down the road what do you feel about that well that's if i almost answered it in my last statement asked them you know plan it can't be one into it it can't be just a city planning it has to be redundantly speak it has to be a issue it has to be the industry of work in industry it has to be the chamber of commerce it has to be the city they need to sit down at the table together but the same time we need communities input not because the community can be left out if you go and bring in industry if you go running in the growth of Jones where you can't leave anybody out of this question and I think when. You have private conversations when you have private. Talk about how we're going to do the street I think you may make a grave mistake right just can't do it and I also asked Mr Ellwood about growth Well common sense I mean. Growth rates are great we're talking about budgets and we're talking about this new time but we've got a 3 percent growth right now we're so well the reserves are going downhill run out of money and absent and I said Well it's 5 people moved to Jonesboro every day and I'm saying and women. Are also to ideals don't go together unless the money lags behind and that's very possible that you know the new people bring in their money and buying houses. Paying sales tax there might be a lag issue there that I'm not aware of so but anyway managing growth is an excellent problem to have we have worn enough engineering firms research planning development we've got so many ideals that sometimes that kind of limits our development because they had a hard time building a laundromat here not too long ago which was an embarrassment to me that you can't even build a laundromat So yeah managing growth is important but you have to kind of let things happen to you gotta let it grow if we start complaining about this and that because you really don't know so someone thought and there's been some criticism that when there's been a look at Pew sure planning that maybe people are not thinking about how things will be over the next 10 or 20 years you know that there's been some real criticism about that we're just putting stuff up for today but we're not really thinking it in the future how would you address that core that criticism yes that is a real concern it really is things do change but the one thing about it is is people don't really change you have to. You know you've got to have good people in anything you do because people are the key anything with city government whether it's education whether sports I mean you can have all these diagrams you want it don't make Alabama you know so yeah it's very important to plan and yeah you have to look long term not just short term you can really see it in the approach to drainage around here that you know that they're not really looking long term on that they're starting to raise awareness and people are starting to think about that and I'm all for retention ponds and then the run off of the water from the parking lot because that's an environmental issue that nobody used to talk about you know Wal-Mart has come in build a big parking lot of a bunch of lights and everybody was happy. And I'm like well that's great and everything but you know the water runs off and has a chance to suck and that's one of our men water trees whatever it purifies the water before it goes on downhill and it makes life a lot better so there's an awful lot of really good ideals out there that protect the environment they may ruffle some feathers and they may scare some people because they don't fully understand what we're talking about and they're thinking worst case scenario instead of the benefit and also the final question I asked both gentlemen many Jonesville residents remember the flooding that took place a couple of years ago when the city has been clearing out over 60 miles of ditches to try to prevent future flooding as both men if there were any other measures that could be taken by the city to address potential flooding and that question started off 1st Mr Elwood Well there you go about clean that is they went about 3 great big excavators I don't know what you know about equipment we're talking budgets these are very expensive pieces of equipment there for making a new did stir not for clean out in the ditch. Never. If you need an escalator it's better to render at least one that is the by one. So there is your budget I mean they're throwing a quarter $1000000.00 around clean that did you know which to me is nonsense so yeah I have some issues with how that that's an issue of working how do you work how do you plan a crew how do you get the crew involved because the crew is only going to do what they're told if they do anything different let's say you're a foreman you say man I've got a better idea how to do this next thing you know you're looking for a job and everybody that works for the city or any organization they understand they have to listen to their supervisor their supervisor has to listen to their boss which is probably the mayor or group of people on city council however that however the water runs downhill it runs downhill but when you're actually down there working you don't want to do a whole lot of thinking for yourself and I'd like to change that because there are some men and women that's got some excellent ideals in how things should be done you save money and then you get budgets to give pay raises you know if you're sitting there looking at 3 Escovedo And you know how much they cost and say well I'm not getting a pay raise this year so let's have some of the also Dr Coleman talked about flooding I remember when that happened it was very devastating I remember particularly since I was a little annoyance I. Don't want to be fitted with the statement but if the excess little bit more than most places because the area that I actually live in that I'm actually water has a flood plain and a flood way and that's a bad bad situation and I think that that should also be at the top of that he a lot of businesses talk about this not too long I've actually been to several businesses asking them to open a business is on the north that particular So there can be some employment for the people so they don't have to go always calls don't fail to be employed and this is what they tell me and to the city this something in the flood plain. Then we're not coming because of the money that they would have to span to actually redo the property when I say redo the property rain prop it up to a certain waited for status and would love a nice rang and so I think a lot of these things back up my state want to go we need to do some of these small things before we try to do some of these big things so that we can win Jones Where does really it's already expanding but we're really bussed to saints if we don't have some of these small things taken care of we're going to wash their way and that right and how do you think the city could address in your area in the north part a just borough What do you think would be the best way for them to be able to try to help in that regard way of of fixing the flooding issues well I brought this up 8 years ago matter think that was one of my primary reason for running was that the Jones Well you know our side has been totally been there and it been there click to because our forefathers in Jonesville in 1970 had decided that they want going to do anything on the north side just go make it a green area bottom line so they didn't do anything so it's going to take years probably past my death to do what really need to be done on the no side but right now there needs to be a push toward getting that done that makes sense if you don't do sort of push now on relieving the stress of the of the water. Different strains of different avenues of push the waters for the flow it won't happen and then start to Charles Coleman you also heard from Tom Elwood both of them are running for alderman Ward 2 position one in the city of Jones borough Alderman race that's taking place and you can get more information on our website on k.s.u. Dot org for k.s.u. News I'm Jonathan Reeves. You're listening to k.s.u. Jonesborough a service of Arkansas State University on Facebook at k.s.u. Public Radio and development director Christy Cates one of my responsibilities is to raise individual funds our fall fundraisers one pivotal way that we raise funds to continue the programming on k s he you can give 247 at k.s.u. 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News this is All Things Considered I'm Mary Louise Kelly and I'm Ari Shapiro the man accused of sending more than a dozen package bombs to high profile Democrats critics of President Trump and c.n.n. Made his 1st court appearance today 56 year olds He's our say yok could spend decades behind bars if he's convicted Danny Rivera from member station was in the courtroom and joins us from Miami hi Danny Hey I know this a court appearance was largely procedural tell us what happened in court this afternoon. Yeah it was really like you said mostly procedural there wasn't a whole lot of you know guilt or innocence talk basically say Aqua's formally charged on 5 counts of federal crimes ranging from threatening former presidents to illegal mailings of explosives remember he was arrested near Miami last Friday he'd been driving a white van plastered with anti-Democrat pro trumps and media stickers and he'd apparently been living out of that van for we don't know exactly how long before some time in court today prosecutors basically said they don't want him to have the option of bail because they consider him a flight risk and a danger to other people in the community what was his demeanor so before the hearing actually got started he was talking with his attorneys and he was wearing a he was shackled at the wrists and the ankles he was wearing a 10 jumpsuit he didn't say much but when he talked he did sound kind of defeated you could hear his you could barely actually hear his voice at all it was it was quite raspy. Before the proceedings you could I caught a glimpse of him tearing up it looked like his attorneys kind of gathered around to shield him from from the view once that started happening. The judge asked him a series of questions you know do you understand the charges brought against you just kind of nodded I mean he looked somewhat defeated I would say. And the. Yeah. Sorry about that you could see you could see he was upset at some point he has his face kind of turned red he was tearing up his upper lip was quivering he didn't look like he was doing too well and this was all taking place in southern Florida which is not where his trial is going to take place explain that. Yet so the charges were actually filed in the southern district of New York he was arrested in close to Miami so that's where the the original hearing is taking place but he will at some point be taken up to New York the u.s. Attorney there is the one prosecuting the case many of the package bombs were mailed there and that office has a long history of prosecuting these kinds of crimes. The trial itself I wouldn't bet on it happening any time soon these cases tend to take years or even longer to go to trial if there's no plea deal in the meantime the next hearing the judge said it's going to be on Friday here in Miami so he'll be here a least until then and at that point we'll learn whether he'll be recently released on bail or if he can be transferred up to New York for more hearings all right that is Danny Rivera reporter with member station. In South Florida thanks very much Danny thanks for having me. We're going to take the next few minutes to remember 2 of the 11 people killed at the Tree of Life Synagogue on Saturday 2 brothers inseparable and devoted to their synagogue Cecil and David Rosenthal Cecil was 595 years older than David the brothers live together in a community home in Pittsburgh run by achieve and that's an organization that helps people with disabilities Chris Shoaf is vice president of residential supports with achievement and she joins me now via Skype to remember the Rosenthal brothers Chris Shoaf welcome and my condolences on your loss I'm so sorry thank you so very much we appreciate that describe Cecil and David for me what were they like David and Cecil were larger than life they were 2 of the most. Generous people they were so in twined into the fabric of their community they 'd loved to walk all through swirly Hill they would stop and talk to everyone and anyone and I read that Cecil had an official role he was a greeter at the synagogue Yes sayso was not only a greeter at the synagogue but I would refer to him as the ambassador to Squirrel Hill he was always hope how are you Dave that was a very reserved person but as soon as you said today that he just opened up they were so close to their family David would call his mother every single day when he got home from work they got up with a positive attitude How's your family how are you doing what your day look like for today blessings for you today and they threw parties for everything in fact one time they had their bathrooms remodeled in their home and they wanted to throw a party for remodelling the bad. Trying to imagine that one and then there was a next door neighbor where they had their house remodeled and they were going to put it on the market and they went to the open house because they wanted to be a part of that yeah what kind of work today do you describe coming home from work David was working for goodwill and craning and cæsar was about to start a job 2 days awake and a family. Business has taken a toll on your staff who work to summon help them for all these years. Yes to lose them at such an early age excuse me and they are such a vital part of their family our family so it is extremely difficult I'm so sorry part of what also must be difficult is letting all your other clients all the other people who rely on achieve a know how are you talking them through this. Myself and another staff member went out yesterday to meet with the housemates and people who are them to offer them an explanation as best we can about the events of Saturday and to offer any support we are also going to offer people kind of a service for people can come and share their memories and their feelings so you're planning some kind of gathering within your organization to honor and remember them absolutely and it sounds like these are 2 brothers who like to party who would have appreciated the gesture and been right there in the mix I think that is exactly correct I think that on Saturdays you could have counted them to be where they were that's where they wanted to have been the best way that we can remember them and honor then is to know that they lived their life well anybody you talk to in school hero knew them they were well respected in their church and their family is absolutely fantastic and it's one of the best situations that could ever be. That's Chris show off with achiever talking about David and Cecil Rosenthal the brothers were killed Saturday as they attended services at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh crucial think you thank you. You're listening to All Things Considered from n.p.r. News. By most accounts Federal Reserve policymakers have been very successful in recent years the evidence low inflation and extremely low unemployment but the Fed success has also undermined one of the basic theories it has relied on to understand the economy and how inflation and unemployment are related it's called the Phillips Curve N.P.R.'s John needs to explains for many years the Phillips Curve accurately predicted that when the unemployment rate was low inflation heated up but these days jobs are very plentiful yet inflation remains very low that's got some people writing the obituary for the Phillips curve if you put it in a murder mystery frame or who killed the Phillips curve it was the Fed kill the scare some Federal Reserve humor from James Bullard the president of the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank who we spoke to about a week ago and what was the murder weapon Well Bullard says it was the feds long persistent focus on keeping inflation low and stable the Fed has been much more mindful about targeting inflation in the last 20 years and because of that we have lower inflation more stable inflation and so there isn't much of a relationship anymore between labor market performance and inflation so bowler's says the Phillips curve isn't working but rumors of its death may be exaggerated it's certainly still invoked during the debates within the Fed about whether to raise interest rates some policymakers argue that with unemployment so low right now the Fed should be raising interest rates much more rapidly to head off inflation Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell is taking a gradual approach here he is earlier this month in an interview on the p.b.s. News hour so he repealed the Phillips I would say it's dead it might be resting a little more central bank humor this time an apparent reference to a classic man. The Python sketch a man walks into a pet shop with what appears to be a dead parrot in a cage I wish to complain about this part of what I 1st just offered her to do for this body boutique Oh yes the Norwegian Blue what's wrong with it I'll tell you what's wrong with it it's did this with rose. On Alice's Restaurant go through the night it didn't help when I see one and then look at it let me break now. It's not that interesting this thing the Phillips Curve could just be resting but with the help of his sleeping pill in the form of slow wage growth says former Fed economist and Owen to traditional way in which low rates of unemployment lead to inflation is by increasing wages and wage growth in the us has been sluggish which is part of the reason inflation is staying low whether the Phillips curve is dead or just resting its long slumber has been useful for the Fed says on who's now a professor at Hamilton College the u.s. Economy's extended period of stable inflation and falling unemployment has allowed the Fed to raise interest rates gradually and to pause after every rate hike to see how the economy response 0 one thinks Fed officials are fine with that situation if you ask the Fed Do you want low and stable inflation or do you want really rapid inflation because that would confirm your belief about how the economy works I have to believe that most of the people at the Fed would say give me low and stable information even if it means the Phillips curve is dead John it's t. N.p.r. News Washington. You're listening to All Things Considered from n.p.r. News. Come on gang let's get in the car the fundraiser drive is continuing as we head toward 55000 to provide the programming you enjoy. 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Streaming live a k.s.u. Dot org. Coming up on the next bluegrass breakdown they're coming in faster than fast acting tin act in a veritable avalanche releases from folks like Davey while and nothing fancy will Smokey's the clay has spanned in traditionally Well I'm David's And we'll have the latest breaking bluegrass school action in spades on the next bluegrass breaking Sunday afternoon at 3 o'clock here on k.s.u. . This is All Things Considered from n.p.r. News I'm Ari Shapiro and I'm Mary Louise Kelly farmers and animal welfare groups across the country are closely eyeing a California ballot initiative that would effectively outlaw cages for pigs veal calves and egg laying hens now the proposal applies to animals raised in the Golden State and it would apply to animals raised elsewhere if products from those animals are sold in California Leslie McClurg from member station k.q.e.d. In San Francisco explains the ballot measure is called Proposition 12 the Humane Society of the United States has been sponsoring ads like this one for months ahead cage so tightly she can barely move for her entire life this extreme confinement is wrong please join the measure would eliminate cages for egg laying hens by 2022 it also specifies exactly how much floor space a pig or a veal calf needs inside a pen or barn the boy supports open spaces for farm animals she runs a small organic operation about an hour south of San Francisco called root down farm her chickens pack in scurry around a dry pasture ducks turkeys and pigs are also running around the point for me is so raise animals in a way that they were intended to live and they get like basically give them the best life possible boys leans down to stroke the snout of a pig she says Cage and animals isn't ethical they're not animals anymore in their products and that to me is like so far from what I'm trying to do lining up on the other side are some egg import farmers from all over the country they're infuriated that proposition 12 would restrict their business for example a pig raised and slaughtered in say Illinois could not be housed in a crate if bacon or sausage from that animal is headed to California I certainly have a bone to pick with people that try to force those costs on to others that would just assume not bear those that's can magic. He's a 5th generation hog farmer based in Carlisle Illinois he runs one of the largest pork operations in the nation the majority of his pigs will spend a good chunk of their lives in a narrow cage while they're pregnant he says confining pigs prevents fighting which allows more piglets to survive in the womb so that animal does not turn around while it's in the gestation pan and the individual pan Madoff argues that the practice is both humane and cost effective I don't believe fundamentally that animals have the same rights as humans there's a difference between animal rights and animal welfare also says the California measure will cost the pork industry billions to build new facilities those costs will likely trickle down to Port consumers though economists say it's tough to predict by how much eggs are easier because cage free eggs are already on store shelves people spend $50.00 to $100.00 a year on eggs it'll go up to 100 or 150 Dan Sumner is an economist at the University of California Davis he warns those prices may not be stable concern for the people investing in these new standards is it's not at all clear that they're going to last very long in fact some animal welfare groups such as people for the Ethical Treatment of Animals say proposition 12 doesn't go far enough so even if the measure passes California's battle and what it will mean for farmers everywhere is likely not over for n.p.r. News I'm Leslie McLaren in San Francisco everyone knows the sounds of hollow Wein creaky floorboards howling winds and wolves now we're going to learn about the musical tones that were unsettling listeners long before they were sound effects Judith Colgan has the story for centuries it was cold the devil's interval were in Latin in music. In music theory it's called the try to because it's made of 3 whole steps. The reason it's unsettling is that it's ambiguous unresolved that's Jerrold Moshe Law professor of music at Trinity College in Hartford Connecticut it wants to go somewhere it wants to settle either here. Or here. You don't know where it'll go but he can't stop where it is there used to be rules against writing music that contained this interval in the renaissance for example all music had a singular official purpose to be beautiful to express the majesty of God Anything unsettling or unstable was studiously avoided but once music was no longer shackled to the church it was free to express all kinds of tension and the devil's interval was ideal for in that regard Wagner used it to convey forbidden love and longing in his opera Tristan and Isolde and. It's also been used to signal danger if you superimpose one try tone on top of another. If you're really hearing or ominous sound here we do. Real. Train is coming. Here because here comes. The tri tone is a signature sound in jazz. And. In jazz people embrace that tried to own it as a way to challenge the audience is a way that they didn't so much in swing That's Hank it's Netsky head of contemporary improvisation at New England Conservatory Duke Ellington said when asked why he use so many try tones of his music it's my life that's what my life is like. Just tried to be an African-American you hear that you need that sound that's a sound a struggle and it's the sound of freedom Netsky says that in rock it's the sound of defiance. It's a gesture that is very confrontational. And. It's a gesture that really makes people pay attention and sounds a little 5 words. The so warring gangs thwarts star crossed lovers in West Side Story Trinity College is Gerald most Shell says Leonard Bernstein used to try turn to tie the whole music and together at the very opening the all. Right oh . Defiance in the song cool. The longing of Maria. And at the very end of the whole musical where the gangs decide to put down their weapons and live in peace you have. Followed by the ominous. Followed by. One more. Load by the last. Ice with no try tone at the bottom signifying to Mr Bernstein that we will all live in peace and harmony when it comes to it our musical world may be more disturbing than it was a millennium ago but give the devil his due sometimes we want to feel his presence because sometimes tension is the order of the day. For n.p.r. News I'm Judith Koch and. You're listening to All Things Considered. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from t. Rowe Price offering a strategic investing approach that examines investment opportunities 1st hand institutions advisers employers and individuals choose to Rowe Price to Rowe Price invest with confidence from Amazon Web Services used by millions of customers a w.-s. 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News and Washington I'm Jack Speer the man accused of killing 11 people at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh Saturday made his 1st court appearance today Robert Bowers was arraigned on 29 federal charges including 22 that could carry the death penalty member station Ses and Li hearing us more hours sat in a wheelchair during the 5 minute arraignment wearing a blue sweatshirt in handcuffs he spoke in a clear voice when the judge asked if he understood the charges lodged against him those charges include fatally preventing people from practicing their religion which is a federal hate crime u.s. Attorney Scott Brady spoke with reporters after the hearing our thoughts and prayers to the victims' families and with the community and rest assured we have a team the prosecutors working hard to ensure that justice is done ours is set to return to court for a preliminary hearing Thursday he's being detained without bail for n.p.r. News I'm on Li herring in Pittsburgh President Trump and 1st lady Malani a Trump will travel to Pittsburgh tomorrow that's according to White House spokesman woman Sarah Sanders sander says the president has ties to the Jewish community and wants to stand with the families of the victims and the survivors the president is the grandfather of several Jewish Korean children his daughter is a Jewish American and his son in law is a descendant of political survivors. Tomorrow the president and 1st lady will travel to Pennsylvania to express the support of the American people and grieve with the Pittsburgh community there have been mixed responses to the president's planned trip leaders of a liberal Jewish group penned an open letter saying he was not welcome until he denounced white nationalism were Rabbi Jeffery Myers with the synagogue where the shootings took place said the president would be welcome their consumers are opening their wallets last month even as monthly incomes are rising at the slowest level in nearly a year the Commerce Department. Consumer spending was up 4 tenths of one percent last month as households bought more motor vehicles and spent more money on health care after opening higher stock prices plunged today with the Dow Jones Industrial Average finishing nearly one percent lower N.P.R.'s Jim's Rolly reports the drop came after news the u.s. May impose more tariffs on Chinese goods the Dow is up 352 points at one time in the morning but in the mid afternoon word came that the trade war with China might be intensifying and the Dow dropped as much as $566.00 points it later recovered part of the loss big exporting companies like Boeing were hit hard and so were tech giants like Amazon which fell more than 6 percent for the day Netflix lost about 5 percent the Dow has fallen 10 percent in less than a month and is now in negative territory for the year Facebook is down 30 percent from its all time high Jim n.p.r. News New York looking at the numbers the Dow is down 245 points today 224000 442 the Nasdaq fell 116 points the s. And p. 500 dropped 17 points this is n.p.r. . Strike by baggage handlers in Belgium continues to cause delays at the country's main airport for a 5th straight day workers at the Abbey on a partner luggage handling company are striking a made calls to improve working conditions the company services such major airlines as Ryanair t u i Easyjet and British Airways dozens of flights into the Brussels airport were canceled today Germans are coming to terms with angle of Merkel's decision to step down after her current term as chancellor expires but that's not until 2021 as N.P.R.'s Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson reports are political opponents are pushing for to leave sooner Chancellor Merkel says she has to answer to the growing number of German voters who have delivered her conservatives blow after blow in recent regional lections why chant anything mentioned he said is over her country is tough but filling in that she is grateful to have been at her government's helm for 13 years she added she won't stand for re-election as her party's leader in December but that she will continue as head of the German government but leaders of the main opposition party the far right Alternative for Germany said they weren't satisfied so it's good sympathize falls it's a group of parliamentary coaching Elise Vida that even Merkel acknowledges the 2 posts she holds are intertwined that Merkel should resign as chancellor Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson n.p.r. News in Venice the water is rising not that unusual in a city which has already got a lot of water over Officials there say the current levels are alarming upwards of 70 percent of the storage city has been flooded by waters of reach more than 15 have inches above sea level that's often floods with high winds pushing water in from lagoon I'm Jack Speer n.p.r. News support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include f j c a foundation of donor advice funds working to maximize the Empacher of charitable giving and to create customized philanthropic solutions learn more at f.d.a. See dot org and the n.e.a. Casey Foundation. The created state podcast is now available on your mobile device the created state podcast is a weekly feature in a state connections and it talks about collaborative research projects between faculty and students at Arkansas State you can subscribe to the podcast at the create a state podcast page on k.s.u. 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