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Spreading in there all day every hour we have them all the remains of a man or discovered early morning he had been partially eaten by a lion which is believed to have strayed from the Jasons level be National Park the Kenya well of services said in a statement that he was saddened by the tragic death and has sent a team already just end of that to look at the lion members of the public have been cautioned to stay indoors at night until the lion is stopped in and a Monday and that's the b.b.c. News. Hello I'm Gerri and this is Outlook the home of extraordinary personal stories Paya go to strip has worked in the Danish shipping industry his whole life coordinating the movements of cargo ships loaded with goats heading to destinations all over the world by 2002 he was c.e.o. Of clip a group in charge of 250 ships as you can imagine to reach a position like that you have to be very organized very pragmatic and know a thing or 2 about striking a good business deal but nothing could have prepared him for the day in November 2008 when one of his caucus ships was attacked by pirates. to maneuver erratic as it would if it were trying to shake off an attacker. And there. Radio silence. It was kind of fun and the ship its cargo of industrial steel and the lives of its 13 crew were all in the hands of a gang of heavily armed pirates. My immediate reaction was anger and frustration that we had to put up with this because it just it was surreal at the time that we had a ship that had been hijacked at the high seas and that we as a shipping company there was nothing you can do you are completely powerless you can call the police you can call a cab or you can call the Navy you can call anybody you are lift to deal with this at your own device 'd. You're on your own it's just you and the pirates What do you do. Pay as fast movers to put together an emergency team to deal with the various problems that immediately arose. You have to know how much fuel you in the ship go with if you will have one port how many provisions do we have in Port how long time can the crew sustain themselves in the food court where are the next of kin because the one thing you want to do with as soon as possible you want to get hold of all next of kin inform them of the situation so that they don't pick it up in the press from an emotional point of view I think be very difficult for anybody to learn that your son your husband had been kidnapped so so that was one of the things that we were racing against time then you need to make sure that the next of kin there is comfortable as they can be and that we give them as much support we can give them who was a crew they were mainly Russians Russian historians and Latvians and one from Georgia the shipping companies insurers advised them to employ a professional in a crisis responder who had experience of dealing with this kind of situation the responder explained to pare and his team what was likely to. Happened Next what normal procedure was in these abnormal circumstances tamale pirates would take the ship to safe haven along the coast of Somalia and until they had that ship at a safe haven they would not contact you they would they would take the ship then they would drop the ng and then they would put an crew aboard a ship to defend the ship from other pirates on the Benders in the air and then they would call you and they were introduced himself like you and say that they held the ship and that they wanted money this is what you were told to expect they would introduce themselves politely Yeah that's an appropriate time yeah. It was the 1st of many new normals that pay would have to get used to for a start he was informed that there was such a thing as a going right for a ransom payment to release the ship with us size about $1200000.00 Us dollars at the time he was told that the pirates would be well aware of that he was also told that they wouldn't just demand that figure but as a procedure the thing is one have to understand was Somali piracy in this absolute do not want to sound callous but but it's it's a business transaction they have something that we wanted. And how could they extract the most value out of that so we knew it was going to be a long drawn out matter we knew that we couldn't just give in to the 1st demand that came with because there was a big risk that if if they started our asking the $7000000000.00 which is a lot of money but seen in relation to the Congo value on the ship and the crew and all that you say the insurance company pay so let's pay the risk of doing that is that the part of say that was easy so then they would come back to maybe and say Well that was just an installment or we actually didn't mean 7 we want 10000000 so so the mentality of the opponent was that you have to give them a run for the money they had to have a sense that they earned the money otherwise we were just going to escalate the violence and payments and the result of that would be you would encourage even more hijackings and you would give these people even more money and even more incentive and so that's that's what you're caught up in that sounds very rational but do you feel that rational you've got to try and stay rational in this situation you cannot let emotions get into it and that's easier said than done and that's the value of having every spawn at your side you need somebody to hold your hand and tell you what to expect and how to deal with it. You have a fast mom that came from the pirates for $7000000.00. This demand came 3 their own negotiator and I quote any yet. How did he 1st make contacts with your team and was he as polite as you've been told it's not very public statement of his life in the u.s. Spoke American English and very American mannerisms if you will did you get the sense that he also was regarding this as a business transaction or he was hired as a consultant by the pirates for sure that that's what you get them claim and he was supposed to get a commission of the total amount he would be able to negotiate on behalf of. 7000000 was the fast amount you'd been told that they are going right for this kind of situation was one to 1200000 that's what the time is. Your 1st offer comes an awful lot less 400000. Of us about nice and such a comparatively low off you lot of people slice Yeah but the thing is there had been no incidents of anybody having been hurt or had their fingers on the ears of the noses of anything like that cut off happening so we had a very strong sense that this was purely transactional and every previous piracy incident had been dealt with and have been solved in that manner I was going to have told us very clearly that you're going to start with peculiar slow because they start with the cliff and it's a whole street and it's silly because you might as well just say hey we know the mob is 1.21 we just agree I'm going to go there we're going to rational way of dealing with what out of rules that you've been told You have to abide by to make us walk the route of negotiating that you never give 2 of us in a row in other words it's often called off or called off account off you give something to your counterpart and then you say Ok what what's your best offer you don't. Talk you so don't recall the 400 you said. The father said no it's a correct. That's alluding. To having made this offer you have to just wait then you wait and it's sometimes it took a few days sometimes it would take a week and there was just no way you could push that. How could he you know I think I'm very good at leaving. First the strategy seemed to be working the pirate stroke that amounts to 5000000 dollars responded by upping the company's office to 700000 dollars a slow back and forth continued unpaid began to feel confident that he would be able to get a crew home by Christmas but then he received a cool from the ship's captain things on bolt seemed to have taken a turn for the what. The pirates were getting frustrated and upping the ante the captain reported that the crew had been confined to a threatened with removal to the mainland and that the pirates were starting to sabotage the ship at one point the pirate supported to pay his team that a member of the crew and had a heart attack but was any of this true oh what a Pirates bluffing to get that demands met so we had been prepared at that that there was a good like you were more than likely they were going to try and play these tactics out of so when they came with a heart attack we didn't buy into it in some ways they were very infantine in the way they were negotiating I mean they had this people going. I guess they were sitting around at night and then there was saying Oh I did this on this ship and this worked or this didn't work and they kind of made a list of things to troll and it's like destroying the electronics of the ship overboard and that's your stupidity because then the ship can go in any way so why would you want to do that or run the ship aground you run the ship aground it's a sitting duck you take the crew members ashore the Trading with that then you are exposing yourself to all your other powers I'm fascinated by this lack of doubt because that relies on the people on the other side of the negotiation. Being as rational and us focused as you and you couldn't touch it because I'm a bot at some point you found that they were high on cuts a kind of leaf that chain makes you high I mean you've now got people on drugs armed with Kalashnikovs waiting playing this waiting game getting increasingly frustrated and still you didn't doubt that this would work itself out no when they were told but you're talking a very good point here because the one thing you cannot know and that is exactly that when that category they can get him and his nation so you have a very dangerous combination with young people hiring trucks with Kalashnikovs So there's obviously always a risk that somebody inadvertently would be shot and that's much more of a risk than. One of our crew members have an architect I was much more concerned about that the mental anguish and the men through torture that they would be exposed to it was Spector what we did because sitting on a ship in close quarters for 2 months with people. And running around screaming and yelling at times shooting at each other fighting each other at times I mean that is very very very tough on the on the human mind and that was I was much more concerned about that my concern Drew out was to try and make this. Short as possible. The weeks went by November turned into December Christmas Day came around and the crew was still imprisoned on the ship to spend the day at home in Copenhagen with his wife and children but the crew and their families never far from his mind of course I thought about the situation because you couldn't help. Not to think about it because your to the crew member the next of kin they were on their own so that. The fiction. I don't want to Barassi. But I can see that you. Wiling up the thought the thought of a Christmas list on I clearly upsets you and I. Will be important to say because you sound so calm so rational so on top of everything having is going to be fine and yet clearly under me there was something going on of course it's because we're all humans and but but you've got to put a show on because people are looking to you for the answers if you start showing that you have doubts about what you're doing Who else can deal with it and it is to time to be lonely at the top this is not always that you can talk to other people about what you're going through and this was one of those cases where you really couldn't. Within days things changed dramatically the pirates negotiator Ali fell out with pay is negotiating and refused to continue dealing with him pay was about to find himself drawn in even deeper it was right after New Year and I was home early evening with my wife and I have got to call my cell phone and and I could see was a call from Somalia and I didn't have many friends from somebody at the time so I knew who it was instantly this wasn't the 1st time Ali had tried to get pair on the phone but pedal was found at the strict advice not to negotiate directly this time he took a risk I thought about it for a split 2nd at the time I decided that I was ready to take the call I had lived this for 60 days know I mean intimately 247 nonstop I also have a negotiated you know all my life in the business sense and the 2nd I didn't go. Stakes were high I mean everyone really high where you were you comfortable playing this well but that time yes it becomes part of you in a sense because you know all the moving parts in this so I had a very good idea of how far I could push this man my immediate approach was to go on your attack I mean I was not going to be meek to him I went straight in his face and I said why are you calling me I'm you know I'm I'm I'm a I'm at home this is been going on for 60 days you've been wasting your time and if you're going to call me Are you calling me to have a sensible discussion and try to bring this to a close because if you're not then we're nothing to talk about and immediately he said no I want to you know I think you and I can make a deal and I'm very serious and I want to put this to an end then I felt that he was too because I had a sense that he was in a precarious situation although he was brought in by the pies and he hadn't delivered and when he said that the pious would threatening him or whatever it was he was I could sense of the maybe wasn't such a good sport the 2 men spoke regularly a record of that conversation so he could discuss tactics later with his necke I say so and I got to know Ali pretty well I had a very good picture of the man on the other end and it was also clear to me that having followed him all the way he had an ego. Ego And as to who he was and what he couldn't couldn't do with all that so so you we need to go if you're trying to play into that So what kinds of things would you say to him like you have a friend to business conversation with anybody you're dealing with that it was not antagonistic going to thing like that you knew your friends your house of with and I was a kid that that that kind of thing you'd have those conversations it's not quite how the kids but basically. 'd 'd I don't. You know. Are you doing I. Know you. 2 business men trying to conclude a transaction and I was playing into exactly because I mean that nobody had ever paid anything like this and I don't understand what you're trying it's crazy. I think I understood. Why it was a very good sense that he was actually doing what he could to protect the crew when the captain and the captain confirm at the time later on so positive so in a moment 1st of all we need to have an occasion to depart the series to conclude just slowly slowly the amounts of money being demanded and offered came closer together. With some very expensive. Until finally on January the 13th the 2 sides struck a deal I'm going to send your fax now confirming the 1.7 on the condition that the ship has sufficient fuel and that the drop will be made and what mystique about we're not going to have any nonsense tomorrow morning this is under control right. It was agreed that a plane would drop the cash in a sealed plastic container into the safe next to the ship is relief was enormous but it was a bet a sweet moment he didn't feel good about paying ransom money for them too long conference room into a tree duffel bags in the wood that was a pretty surreal situation you with $1700000.00 in front of me and the money within the next 24 hours would be dumping your vision off the course of someone you know of a subset of both I thought it was ridiculous because we were not an isolated situation this was going on every day and those days almost there was not a week without a ship being hijacked and these rentals just wind up and open up and big. I was very frustrated we were all very frustrated ownership bones at the time until the logistics had been sorted and the deal done nothing to be taken for granted but Peer felt confident enough to share the news with the ship's captain that this awful situation for them and the families is coming to an end so that all the families have been informed now a thing with phone them about 20 minutes ago or 30 minutes ago thank you 6 and a half Thank you very much for a walk on the boat if I'm going to show Suits very very quickly because personally if my wife she's there unfortunately very far from condition there are no or no but the pirates provided one final twist the money was dumped in the sea the pirates picked it up and then pay a hug nothing for heart stopping 24 hours. And that was agonizing that was really agonizing because there you say Ok what's what is holding them up now according to your so they ended up fighting over the money and supposedly shooting each other and also we could see even the pictures afterwards there were traces of blood they were literally fighting. There is a very strong. Order of payments step is for who did what so. He was the attack there when the boat to Ship One was hijacked supposed to gets the highest amount of money and then you have the crew they've got crew that they're putting on board which are typically young kids with Kalashnikovs then you have the ship Chander that are supplying the ship with all the food for the pirates basically and then you have the investors this turned into a very lucrative investment for a lot of the people so you had actually invested there would pay to equip a boat with whatever it was necessary to were hijacked ship and then if and when they would see if they would get a return on the investment this really was a business venture and big business about eventually the pirates managed to divvy up the money and left the ship Piers team goal was that the coup. Crew were on their way home after 71 days of being held hostage at sea so there was a big sigh of relief sure I don't think we thought of champagne but we shouldn't. Figurative you with that we have made up a whole program on how to deal with the whole situation off the wish with a coup in the next of kin because if you want to try and reduce will avoid p.t.s.d. That they're sword and things you can do to try and help. For us the test was whether they were going back to sea so they did go back see all of them and they all went back with our company for me that was a true test because if they felt in any shape or form that we hadn't treated them well as a company they wouldn't come back to us Jim in the office meeting with the captain it was very moving and because I mean he knew what I've been through and I know what he's been through and you've been to far more than I have but but but he understood why we went a different situation he said that much he knew we couldn't just a little and so it's not so for him to say that that he believed that we've done everything that was humanly possible to solve the situation for me was that maybe there was one was a handshake or a hawk. Russian bear hokus or. For many people the story would have ended that but not for Paya will find out what he did next after the break we'll also hear what happened to the pirates and to Ali stay with us this is our. 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World Service in the 1st half of the program we were hearing how in 2008 pig got a strip then c.e.o. Of a big day in a shipping company had to learn on the hop how to negotiate with pirates when one of his cargo ships was hijacked ship and its 13 crew were taken hostage off the coast of Somalia and released for ransom off to 71 days but para didn't leave it that he wanted to understand why piracy was taking off in the region why so many young Somalis are getting involved in such dangerous and criminal activity and how to stop them there are people that are where they are not because they want to be if that makes sense I mean I was you to say that we people never thought that it was probably that one for. And then you know go get a job but it's not that easy a lot of people they end up in a bad situation Fun Fun number of reasons not because they want to together with other leaders in the shipping industry he set up an organization called Fast fishing providing equipment infrastructure and training to encourage Somalis to enter living through fishing rather than piracy we went to big things should go on and I asked them if they would donate we frequenting for future way to containers and then we went out to know them to be nice if they would give a stainless steel tables and knives and we went to with shipping company I asked them for free transportation of all this equipment interest in Mali which is very very expensive and they were just yesterday everybody said yes and then we board and Dr sized flake ice machine in China that we brought in from one of the no we could deliver fake ice to the fisherman so when they went out fishing in the morning they had all the ice in need so this is what for packing fish in the pecking fish in the middle to catch a fish so we put it in ice you start killing the fish the minute you catch it instead of keep on warming it up you bring it to shore instead of being forced to sell the fish ashore when you arrive because writing you can know if there's an awful fisherman say I'm not selling it today and putting into. Stores has it what we know that we have made a difference there's a lot more people involved in the fishing industry locally you know there's a lot more people involved now in in the whole value chain and also in general it will magically improve the reputation of fish in Somalia because Somalia is a nomadic hunter they're used to eating meat not fish fish is something that's relatively new do you know of any individual success stories people whose lives have been changed by us yeah not least women don't that have opened up a fishmonger's in occasion. Because they've seen that they can all get fresh fish the pool and them evolved into other things we started making book agent training of young people in the how to cook fish instead of just deep frying it all not too hard to properly prepare fish to taste good I should me you know my specialist had to protect the shipping industry by having fewer pirates on the sea and creating an alibi for him to make an income doesn't mean more to you now than that of course it does because I've been to Somalia now 3 times the 1st time in sort team and it was the last time this year and just and that's short time span I've seen a dramatic improvement the conditions of my I mean that's a lot of reasons for that's nothing to do with us but what I'm saying is that I have a completely different view once under Somalis and Somali land than I had 10 years ago let me say that and it's but it's a very positive you would say there's a lot lot of lovely people down there pirate attacks off the coast of Somalia have all but stopped now mainly thanks to greater stability on land and increased security is see very few of the pirates have ever been brought to justice there is an exception as we're about to hand 1st pass something more to say about early he was the negotiator for the pirates brought in by them because of his English language skills he spent many years. As in the United States when he and pair were wrapping up the deal I made it clear that he wanted a little something extra Most likely for himself $75000.00 Pierre agreed in the interests of getting the deal done I kept in touch with Al you afterwards because well 1st of all what happened was that the $75000.00 was supposed to send him. Bank account is giving us was not the right tone so the money bounced back to us after she'd been released and in the course means that all by the way I miss my money. So if that's that so then of course you ask yourself Should I pay you because you don't want to ship anymore but on balance my fear was that if we didn't pay him and not knowing what his role was let's say one of our ships had been taken later on I think we would have had a real problem so I decided to pay him the $75000.00 and that fee I think for him was a big sign of trust so I said in touch with him afterwards so what have I want one day he called me up and say oh by the way one of the pirates that was a new ship is no rest in Norfolk Virginia because that's interesting so yeah because he this guy had actually in it virtually attacked an American warship in the government the very big gray ship with big white letters on the side but the Americans of course they didn't take kindly to that so they arrested him and the other pirates in the boat and they took them off to Virginia and accused them of piracy and I ceased which in America carries a lifetime sentence that pirates name was John Abraham a fetching 9 year old Somali Paya contacted the u.s. Embassy in Denmark to pass on what he'd been told by Allie that this was one of the pirates had attacked his ship in 2008 also in the Gulf of Aden office Somali coast and so he brought him was charged with that crime as well and pay a travel to the United States to give testimony at the trial the court also had written testimony from the crew describing the psychological damage the ordeal had done to them and their families Ibrahim was sentenced to 25 years for that attack to be 7 alongside his sentence for attacking the u.s. Navy ship it's thought this was the 1st time in 150 years that someone had been convicted of piracy in the United States the American authorities than their attention to Ali to answering the question of whether he was made. Really an interpreter as he claimed or part of the pirate gang had actually gone on to become education minister in Somaliland but was arrested in 2011 while visiting the United States he spent more than 2 and a half years in prison awaiting trial and was eventually found not guilty of piracy the evidence was not enough and he claimed he was just a consultant and the American food you the judge said let him go would you like to see him in prison. It's hard to say at some level yes no lives No I don't have a clear answer. Why not. Because because I think at one level he helped us a lot and we hope was a good one of the point I was sentenced you know you never any personal gain not that you can get in commission out of it he said and and you also will help me there was a couple of ships going there were there were hijacked where did you hope to get some inside information you was quite helpful you know asking for time off but you know you actually name the comma after me which was thought was kind of the he named a camel. Is it called that I don't know. They're going to strip for my ca of a Danish shipping company and co-founder of fair fishing at the start of the interview we had short extracts from a Danish Broadcasting Corporation documentary about him called dealing with pirates and the comments where on email look at b.b.c. Dot com and on Facebook where right now you can see photos of our next guest who's famous for her voice and for her looks alone a sovereign a stage name alone or alone or is a superstar rapper in her native Ukraine she is plus size was bullied because of her weight when she was younger and is passionate about rapping on the subject of body image outlooks Katie Davis reached her on the phone. Thanks to. I managed to catch Elena as she was having a break back in the village she's from south of the capsule Kiev but she's now so much of a celebrity in her native Ukraine and for that I feel that throughout our interview we kept getting interrupted by fans who wanted to have pictures with her I think there you were in the b.b.c. Sort of this happened several times I gave interviews sort of the interviews with is that another person wanting it so yes. You're in demand and. He did it I got. A loan his whole life changed dramatically within a really short space of time far from her current celebrity world it was only around a year ago that she was working as a nursery school teacher understandably when her former students see here on the t.v. They get quite excited Oh they always say Oh. I know her I know you're so from teacher to rock but not the most conventional career path but Elena told me that she actually started writing poems as a 6 year old but she was drawn to penning rap lyrics because they gave her more of a chance to indulge a passion of hers I liked more blah blah blah. Let's talk I want to say so many things to get the line and I started in that like you know I can say you know more information the book me about my life. And so what kinds of rap were you listening to when you were a young child 1st it was. That but then my father. And Father abides. And I started to listen American Dad. But. And I like it's more than. Why did you like it more because I don't understand the words but they don't why I was American music rock me but. You. Know you you obviously listen to all this music you started writing some rap yourself what kinds of things when you rapping about when you were a young teenager. Sometimes social thinks because different. People always so feel good to me home alone all is born but yeah how did it make you feel when you were that age as you said because I always said that fellow people like you yes they have different body but I think the same ol I talk to you with the same words why you look to me so but did rap in any way support you through that time how did rap help you I don't like to be a glass if I'm sat I just sit and read think and I started something was it you and I started it being because I want to so people. But it's also me who would be and nobody here it was so it was kind of like your secret hope a that you'd stay for yes yes it was my whole being she kept a secret for many more years while life continued she left school went to university then returned to have Village and that's when she became a nursery school teacher but her love of rom couldn't be contained for much longer so. When I was 25 I thought that. Goal and have sold or I stopped actually because why I'm directing myself home like all b. I want that people listen my music and I started. In 1st of all. And so you became more popular more popular when did you decide this is going to be my new career I can leave my job as a teacher and become a professional rapper I go to my work in the hall but in the lambada above people from my religion they look at me different because when I was. Only a preschool teacher mobile goals that I'm. They see read read or they start to look me in mother because to my depot in my really it's dark it's down and they started to talk about me but not in my eyes they talk on the severe do you think their own yards blah blah blah and I can't be. And I feel that I want to leave my job because I don't want scandal and I leave my job 1st of the Sam but last year and you kind of had a meteoric rise to success because now you've been reported as Ukraine's biggest rapper you've had some hugely successful singles you've released your new album How does your life now compare to your life only a year ago. It's a big big show Up My Life changes to so so. Her old life in the classroom is a world away from high current rap star schedule a days are no longer filled wait for crayons and the alphabet but write your song speaking to journalists when you go to for the session we think to some concept of soul. When you 1st started rapping you were rapping about certain subjects and then you realize that some of your former pupils were listening and so you changed what you were rapping about to be more responsible role model yes because I don't want to write about but thinks about drugs and the whole I want to write about girls who was say much about the fight and ski and you've got on a different legs so kind of the body positivity angle yes. Yes because I'm the girl who always cry because I think of a different body because people see on the t.v. On youtube only beautiful beautiful models. Have you faced any trolling online and how do you deal with that kind of thing all my life people trolling me you realize. When I was younger but. I think that people who are truly there not to have one of her songs called Fish addresses this directly it's about a girl who faces bullying but finds solace in a beautiful underwater world where the words can't hit. The video for the track features alone or riding and rapping on a jet ski in a soap assuming cost. To watching it you really get the sense I will pay Sheila and the fact that she really did longer cares what people think of what you did. So many people here truly do they've soaps and this song is like to help save save souls. How do you feel when you're wrapping you know when I 1st 1st time go to the stage my dear they say when you pull to the stage you take microphone and it's not teacher it's different human. You take Mike and just through all this why did this and the whoa. I remember you said at the start when you 1st started rapping in public and you felt like people were talking about you in your village and it was a scandal how do you feel now coming back with your success and getting people trying to take photos. Do you feel proud you know my. God that I am willing to go. Home all. Alone and thank you so much I'll let you get back to anyone who wants any more selfies with you Ok yeah. That was a long waiting a year for me anyway yeah. The Ukrainian rap icon alone are alone as speaking to Katy Davis now witness history and the story of another hostage taking in December 975 full Ira gunmen took a middle aged couple hostage in central London the siege was covered live on British television and gripped the public for 6 days Simon what's reports this is starts restaurant in May set the scene of a Chicago style shooting I don't Ford Cortina motor car drove by an automatic weapon for 2 political history these windows it's December the 6th 1975 London's Metropolitan Police are chasing on our wish Republicans who've tried to attack one of Prince Charles's favorite restaurants it's the 2nd attack on Scots and this time officers are lying in wait the terrorist talked about it was immediately chased by the freaks I have several shots and the officers immediately radioed all of the units in the vicinity. Of the car chase sped on through a maze of small streets. In the tension and chaos the terrorists finally took the wrong turning and looked to a halt in this town to say. There was in fact a running gun battle between here and Dorset Square. We were up one of my friends was trying to go from. Running back in service people shooting at far Steve Moyes he was a psychology student at the time of the siege and is now the author of the book annoyed book The Road to Borkum street 4 guys were shooting at the cops and so having a couple of beers and being young and foolish was 1st thing in the pot we were in a circus it was going well there were more gunshots sirens going everywhere chaos. The 4 guys ran down the staircase into a low area near Balkan street that's when they went into the apartment and took the 3 misses where he was hostage John and Sheila Matthews a quiet couple in their fifty's were doing what a lot of people did in the 1970 s. Enjoying a night in watching the police show Kojak John Matthews thought the gunshots he could hear was actually on the t.v. And he wasn't sure so he went on to a little balcony that they had before how many guys ran up the stairs and rang the doorbell and it was the Matthews are sort of the only force that wanted the couple were held at gunpoint for 6 days Sheila Matthews in her own chair and John Matthews tied up with tight some string their captors were the 4 members of one of the most lethal of the IRA's active service units a s. Use they were very well trained very professional they start of the attacking military targets such as the Army Navy Club and they quickly switch to a war stand which meant targets restaurants and clubs where establishment people were going they were either throwing bombs through windows or they were placing bombs in bags or in some cases under cars you know their mission was really to drive the British to the negotiating table and to get the reasonable and. But Met Police detective said Notice that the a.s.u. Sometimes went back to the same place twice that's why officers were on duty near Scott's restaurant. And how the north Marshman which chased into a corner every few minutes 3 police marksman stepped from the shelter of doorways on either side of the seats flat to aim their point $38.00 police specials at the 1st floor window the Met dug in for what they expected to be a long siege they trapped them into the living room cut themselves off from food water and toilet facilities their years fertilised basically keep them awake most of them cold as well because they eventually turned off the gas supply. The surveillance teams from the metro in place what sort of drilling holes in the wall placing the microphone so they could listen to what was going on but you know yes you were aware they were going to be doing so they would use their record player as a lasting device as it were and they played pretty much over and over and Engelbert Humperdinck speak here please release me let me go kind of ironic for of siege situation. The police also lowered in an Army field telephone through the window there were days of tense negotiations between the a.s.u. Leader Jo O'Connell Thomas he called himself and Superintendent Peter him but of the Met He had a reputation for being Mr smooth talking he was very experienced. Republican tactics and how they would go about things when you come out whenever hard to talk but I don't want you to come out with something more under control but a matter of record mark here not bad. Food and cigarettes that was the 2 key things they wanted and it wouldn't give them any if you said well if you'll let Mrs Matthews go some distance soup and I would be like No Will anybody. Come broken down a little bit thanks to their listening devices the police knew there was a radio sat inside the flat and the i.s.u. Were listening to the news so one day. Day 3 they arranged for a Sheila Matthews is sister to appear on the b.b.c. Don't least she laughed we're all thinking of me with you 100 percent and I'm sure these men more lecture please let me see Sheehan or any John k. That was a psychological master stroke kind of a real humanized situation for the foreign guys and it obviously got to serve a quote because after that call Peter it was really goading him pushing his luck a little bit well well I we're going to work. Think about what I said. Are you going to well Tom Gardner. Right here are. Going to make up your mind that at one point the window of the apartment building opened and in that source of utter horror as he watched a call through the filter phone out and it took him another couple of days they could persuade O'Connell to take a field telephone back in again don't try this one out of one. With the irate gunman now rattled the police were able to negotiate to get pills the Mrs Matthews into the flat and water and soup for everybody else then on day 6 they used the media again the b.b.c. Very helpfully reports it if the Army's elite S.A.'s troops were poised to storm the building it was mentioned that yes the b.s.a. S. Are on standby knowing full well that these guys were listening to the radio sort of fell apart pretty quickly after their willingness and capacity to hold any long it was a pretty rich the breaking point the News of the U.S.A.'s potentially coming in to kill them was just what he going it was then they negotiated a phased release of Mrs Matthews 1st and then they had a meal and they started phasing out everybody else. You know much about. That it was a for a very tense and for period at home. With a lot of on the offices and shell instructions to where I guess what the teacher thing is. Anyone else come until I tell you. I had no. Family and about. As far. As going next. In that sort of control the situation and to know slowly persuaded them to sort of come out alright orderly fashion. Not let anybody touch anything and. Ok Tom. All right we are also your station later. Off to being questioned in the nick the full members of the a.s.u. Were tried and convicted for 7 murders and the Matthews kidnapping the late Peter Imbert went on to become commissioner of the Metropolitan Police that report by Simon Watts thanks for your company on outlook today Emily will be here same time tomorrow. Have we been winning the war in Afghanistan turns out even the people closest to it don't know the Washington Post spent 3 years in court obtaining hundreds of documents about the war what we told about America's longest armed conflicts and what's the truth the Afghanistan papers next time on one at which you can hear at 11 o'clock this morning right after your call here on 91.7 k. a. The programming you hear on k l w is made possible through the support of our members including Gary and Ruth Friedman of Sandra felt now Shawna Franklin Bolinas and Polly from Berkeley. 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News Hello this is Gerry Smit the International Court of Justice in The Hague is hearing opening arguments accusing me of genocide against his Muslim range of minority lawyers acting on behalf of the Gambia the country which brought the case have described graphic witness accounts of mass murder torture and rape by me on Mars Army me on Mars defacto leader the Nobel Peace Prize winner on science hoochie is attending the proceedings she's not expected to speak until Wednesday our correspondent Anna Holligan is outside the court what we're dealing with here over the next 3 days are emergency measures requested by the Gambia for the judges to urgently intervene to prevent any further acts of genocide and prevent me Amar from destroying any evidence of genocide in that kind States and the reason for this is because according to the u.n. Fact finding mission report the 600 silos and there are so just who remain in Myanmar are still at risk of genocide to form a Algerian prime ministers and 7 other former senior officials have been jailed for corruption just days ahead of a presidential election medal Yahia received a 15 year jail sentence Well after my legs a law was jailed for 12 years both have been convicted for abuse of power a misuse of public funds protesters have been calling for Thursday's poll to be canceled. A man in the Czech Republic has shot dead 6 people and injured 3 others at a hospital in the northeastern city of Ostrava he later killed himself the motive for the attorney is unclear Danny Aber hard reports the shooting took place early in the morning the suspect a 42 year old man entered the waiting room shooting people at close range in the head in the chest he fled in a car sparking a major police search including with helicopters they tracked him down but the suspect shot himself in the head the motive for the attack is unclear the Czech Prime Minister Andrei Babbitt called the shooting a terrible tragedy offering his condolences to the relatives of those killed the former mayor of Moscow Yuri Luzhkov has died at the age of 83 Mr Luzhkov was a hugely significant figure in post communist Russia this report from Steve Rosenberg you really became mayor of Moscow shortly after the collapse of the u.s.s.r. .