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Our side of the road to the other sometimes when I see this I hear myself saying good job to the sight of him and my window I've seen a blur streaking through my yard which I know was a rabbit chased by a fox and determined pursuit it pains me but I know it is the animals I respect living out their own version of necessity I've heard terrible sounds rising from the trees at night and I've gone outside to stop it only to feel like a trespasser in my own yard which is when I turn back to the safety of my human rooms a group of foxes is called a skulk a leash or an earth when she was very little my daughter Naomi took foxes as her personal mascot when I was 3 I was given a stuffed fox I named rascal who lives now on a high shelf in my closet there is something about foxes that makes me feel so great fully alive as if there's a part of me out there running through grass with them I've come to believe that all animals allowed to live free and wild protect something holy and The World Today's poem is Jane Hershfield 3 foxes' by the edge of the field at twilight one ran her nose to the ground a rusty shadow neither hunting nor playing one stood sat lay down stood again one never moved except to turn her head a little as we walked. Finally we drew too close and they vanished the woods took them back as if they had never been. I wish I had thought to put my face to the grass but we kept walking speaking as strangers do when becoming friends there is more and more I tell no one strangers nor love this slips into the heart without hurry as if it had never been and yet among the trees something has changed something looks back from the trees and knows me for who I am. The slowdown as a production of American Public Media and partnership with the Poetry Foundation. To get a poem delivered to you daily go to slowdown dot org and sign up for our newsletter . Follow the slowdown on Instagram and Twitter. Check. You're listening to Q one c.b.c. Radio one Sirius and 116 from Public Radio International. Name is Tom. Over the past few decades Linda Perry has helped create the kind of hit songs that we've their way into the fabric of your life she's worked with check this out Alicia Keys Adele Weezer the Dixie Chicks James Blunt I mean I could keep going but we run out of show before I ran out of names as a producer and as a songwriter Linda Perry has figured out how to pull something from a performer that they might not even know that they have in them she saw that massive pop stars like pink and Christina Aguilera and Lady Gaga Gwen Stefani all had something to say but Linda was willing to listen and give them some of the biggest hits of their career so far you're going to hear a bunch of these as Lynda takes you through some of the stories behind these huge pop songs but 1st we started with one of the most recent legends She's been working with but this is a new artist This isn't someone who hasn't been using their voice this is someone to be intimidated by this someone who has the kind of legendary career that Linda has always looked up to we start with the legend Dolly Parton Delhi like was someone's like tell me with your ideal situation would be like where do you want to end up I want to and like Dolly Parton yeah she is amazing like she has so much energy she has taught me so much because she really lifts people like Dolly does not there's nothing negative coming from her at all and everything is very about lifting everybody in the room you know and it's extremely inspiring she's operating on a frequency that is far. Most people and we get along awesome because we are we our work ethic is incredible and we write well again I mean we wrote 6 songs in 2 days so we can we listen to one of them take a listen to the. T.v. And in the. Lead. With glee. That's girl in the movies a song written by Dolly Parton and Linda Perry who is my guest and while we're playing that little look to be in said I tell you a story about writing with her yeah well I work with a lot of people right and I barely King get these kids to sing a whole song and one day. To do one sing one song and get the vocal I've been like sometimes up to 3 days no kid just trying to get a vocal just trying to get a vocal Yeah and so Dolly So I do all the the tracks and and l.a. Because although I love Nashville I didn't want that Nashville sound so I recorded everything in my house and my studio and I put the band together and I took band members you know from different bands so she comes and Dolly sing 6 songs and one day I go that being one of her on the movies red shoes I mean fairy complex songs she just comes in and one day you know saying all 6 songs that we wrote and I'm like going on. You know like and all great like all keepers like not a flaw and then she'll stop and go oh I can do that better not me you tell me what you think but I feel like I can do that better I'm like you did it great like 5 takes ago it was amazing so the work ethic today is very alarming to me because you know I don't see the kids putting in the time and the focus that needs to happen in the in their careers right you know and when you've got some 76 years old and when she's blowing through 6 songs in one day I would step it man I'm going to step it up severely I want to take a listen to this this is something that you did with Dolly Parton that I couldn't believe you did I'm happy you did it don't get me wrong but I could see it being sort of a risky thing I could see it being like being where you paint a mustache on the Mona Lisa or something to take a listen to this. Julie. Need. To get the city a. Real. Meaning similar. To the Rudy. The song is already so sad you know that's going by Dolly Parton kind of reproduced by Linda Perry who's my guest Linda like vats but you did something really different with that one I have that you know why I love that version not because it I think is absolutely brilliant but so when they wanted to put Jolene on their album there was like a remakes and they wanted to put that one on the album like you're not putting that bad Remax on my perfect album it's not going to happen and then I guess I am like a remake so yeah yeah that was in the movie they wanted to use it. You know in the on the soundtrack and I'm like it's not going to strobe light scenes exactly I understand so I said hold up and then I just went and I made a phone call and I called my string guy and I'm like I need to do a 16 piece version of Jolene right now and so I go meet with him and I tell. Dolly how we do Jolene and we do you know all strings you know like Eleanor Rigby right and she's like Oh Ok I can do that all right that sounds interesting I was into it yeah she's always like she's always you know like always open minded so now I got the strings I mean literally it will happen in 2 days put the got their arrangement go to Blackbird and so and it's kids and I went with I'm always doing I never go with the norm so I got kids because I knew how old. They're like you know in their early twenties Ok well you know not like old seasoned session players Yeah because I get it sometimes something happens there that's not my jam right yeah so I get these kids are like you know whatever Oh my God Dolly Parton there in black bird and so they're all in their night bring Dolly in like you know it should go in there and prior because she wasn't going to sing with them she was going to do you know in another booth and maybe after so earlier I had put a microphone in there just in case because my dream was that she would sing with them right so I take your in there and I'm kind of in this on a little bit I take her in there and I'm like Dolly Here's the strings and tell everybody and they're all introducing she's like oh my God Well where do you want me to sing I'm like well you know I have you over there but it would be great if you were in the room she's like well I can't be any here right now and not sing with them and I had a camera going and I'm like role and that version is one take one take that perfect perfect vocal you know is one take with Dolly in the room singing live with a string suitable for you to live and I remember I had chills Yeah everybody in the studio freaked out it was that you saw something happen historical So I'm happy to be talking about this stuff and talk about your production work I mean you were the 1st woman nominated in 15 years at the Grammys for producer of the year the last nominee was a member of a team of producers called The Matrix I mean you know this industry inside out and I feel like I'm asking a bit of a dumb question but I need to ask it how can the industry go 15 years without nominating another woman producer of the year well there's many things you can say one a lot of the women that were doing productions are so certain amount of. You have to be eligible for a certain amount of songs or it's volume thing yeah yeah so there could be that because when women produce they're producing their own stuff. And then there's not enough of like them doing you know other material. Too I think that we fall into the norm you know we just got used to scene men producers and then choosing the man producers right Ok yeah I understand what you mean we just are used to that and so you just make those choices when you've got this record coming in you choose that guy because he did all that so we don't go to the girl producer So right now that's part of what I'm trying to do is change the language instead of people asking me why are there no women producers I am now saying there are you're talking to them so why don't we focus on what it is that I do yeah you know and so I started a show where I have Dolly grimed. Sheryl Crow and we're all talking about being in the studio I did one with Alicia Keys and I'm putting the show together called We are now so people can see that women are all over the place we just got changed language. I like I like the story of the song because I hope and you can tell it because you were talking earlier about I said you know you know why has it been 15 years since a woman been nominated for this year and 6 I want to talk about what I do I want to talk about why would be more when the producers that I want to talk with I want talk about what I do I want a frank discussion is what I want to do with these are what I was I was a person do as a producer and this is a cool story to me can you tell the story of of what's up here because someone else produced it of original writing yeah Woolridge unlink the producer. David tickle he . Had a marching drum solo and you know. He asked me to change the lyrics because he didn't understand why I was repeating and I try oh my God I was right whatever all that. Put a solo in there and I was at the end of it I went into enter scope and I said I can't stand this is not the song I wrote and the like can't you just be happy land sounds great Can't you just be an artist you know and and then I was like actually no I can't and so I grabbed the band we had one reel a tape we had no more money no more budget they weren't going to give us a dime went to back to San Francisco and went to the plant and said hey can we come in and can you just give give us a day you know we have you know real tape so we go in there they give us an engineer I don't know anything about production but I know what I don't like so I sat in there thing engineer and we started dialing in sounds together I started moving microphones around until the drums sounded right 6 guitar everything and then we just started recording the song and what was great about it was funny on tape you only have 3 options so we had to be sure that when we we were going to go over take that it wasn't that was not going to be the master take so we were rolling over takes so then we get our take and then David tickle walks in at the end of it while we're gaining in our last take and then I was so annoyed because the producer the producer Mike what are you doing here but I didn't realize that we had to mix and make mastering the next day we worked all night yeah got the song mixed and done and it made the mastering day and then when I asked for production everybody said Can't you just be happy that you saved the day yeah and that you know you're an artist that you know wrote the song and saved it and said. That version Yeah that was my really my 1st production production and that was my version that all over the world Len I remember away and I said we're going listen to some of the songs you've written for other artists now and I remember like being in school and some of these songs came out and people saying to me Did you know that you know from what you know they're going to say it kind of blew our minds take a listen to. That . And the song that defined my lonely high school dance is get this party started and that was written by my my friend here my guest Linda Perry I heard a story that I whole thing came about with you sort of like getting some new gear and trying to figure out how it worked yeah I was a total analogs. And when I moved to Los Angeles I had this really great studio in San Francisco's all analog and then when I moved to l.a. I was like All right you know what is the sound that's on the radio so I asked a friend of mine I'm like tell me what this the sound is 2000 was 200-2002 something like that right. And he's like oh it's a tritone keyboard it's a role an expansion right you know but I get all this gear and I hook it up and I know I'm just playing with it and like literally 30 minutes later I have this song what you just heard and there's no vocals the hook and everything I grab to you know well yeah everything and I at the end after I got the music and mind you today you have probs I don't have Pro Tools I was still going to tape right so you know that loop I played down for 3 and a half minutes whatever I played bass for 3 and I mean everything was just all live that I played the Kool-Aid all the samples live you. And so then I just grabbed a bullet microphone which is a harmonica microphone and I just picked it up and I'm like Ok I'm the think of every you know friggin cliche I can think of now and so I just started. And I just wrote this song and I laughed I played it to my manager on the phone and she's all what's that I'm like I just wrote it down you know and then literally a week later met Pink and then play that to her and she's like oh my God And then what's his name her earlier Thank you l.a. Reid was like well that's our 1st singer it is surprising to you that you were writing top 40 pop and know you know what was interesting I think is so me because I went in to enter script records and I told them that I will never write a pop hit for them ever again so they better just leave let me go right because that I was being held captive was kind of to them a pop Yeah yeah but I was being held captive they just wanted me to do that over and over and I said I wasn't going to do that but even if what part 2 was in my pocket I would never give it to them so finally they let me go and then it was so funny that the 1st thing I'd started doing was right. We could listen to another one of the big the big pop hits Take a listen to this. That is Christina Aguilera and beautiful Linda Perry who again co-wrote wrote that song with Christina. Wrote that song because you know I go there. Is in studio with me right now I was looking at the piano and I sat down yesterday at the piano trying to work it out it's I couldn't quite get there that's. Number one player but yeah. Suddenly. Very. Short version. Now. From all the peg chain. I'm going to hand this. And bring. It Down to bring it down today Linda Perry sing in the song she wrote What's wrong with me the song she wrote because the Maggot Lair is beautiful I got a couple questions for you and I know you got to move on but he tell me a little story to read in that song well I wrote that song thinking that you know I would go back to being an artist because I was I kind of disappear Thanks for doing that by the way that's the coolest thing. I rarely do that I don't really perform but you're welcome yeah I have yes I'd like to think that like yesterday thank you . So I was thinking alright I'll go do that again and I was got to that chorus and it was like I am beautiful no matter what and then I just I stopped dead like I don't think I'm beautiful like it had a very crazy emotional effect on me and then I realized oh I don't think I'm beautiful I'm trying to tell myself that and I need to realize that people. Can't make me feel bad for you know what I look like you weren't wearing me down exactly so that's where it kind of came from so it was going to be my song that was going to be my hit and then Christina. I played it to her because she wanted me to break the ice I played her the song and then she's like I want that song and I was like and then I said I'll tell you what you let me hear you sing it because you are beautiful there's no way you relate to this song and then when I heard her sing it she literally at the top of the song was to her friend she was like talk you know and I knew I was going to keep that at the top of the song which I did and I knew she felt as vulnerable and secure as I did when it made sense Linda I got to tell you by talking to you today I mean we talked a lot about how the music industry is in some trouble you know and I know that like compared to when you were when Watts Up came out I mean I was reading about you yesterday and I saw a sentence that I never see anymore which is that oh the what's up by 4 non blonds the success of that single catapulted the album into you know x. Amount of sales and out of the West it's never going to happen again this is never going to sell an album ever I believe in the power of the album I do believe it's coming back and the way I write like if you notice that I don't have a bunch of songs coming out all the time yeah you know I just am very I just do what I do but lately my phone has been ringing off the hook Yeah and I know that means something because I said I'm not going to write what people want when people want songs again they'll call me and lately everybody's been calling me I think that means you might be a little hopeful and that's Ok so you know I mean like I'm super hopeful yeah I mean I am I'm I love music I love the industry as crazy as it is and how negative it can be I find it very thriving always because there's so much you can do there's so many ways to step in and make a difference. But not just the music industry like music Yeah but you're hopeful about music I am I am I'm hopeful about what I'm doing I'm hopeful about what we're talking about. About a lot of my friends I'm hopeful and what I'm seeing in kids right now you know I'm hopeful and just the energy of the world as crazy as that is it feels very right on the very spot on right now where we are I really appreciate taken so much time and of course I really I really love this. This is a good guy I know you can't see him but he's very sincere and I get why you're popular. He was back right after this. You're listening to The Daily. From the c.b.c. . Programs confused here will have news from the Canadian perspective coming up with the c.v. Sees as it happens Stay with us. If you want to do with an old car with a low trade in value consider donating into your favorite public radio station called Triple 85 to 5 to 7 to see if your. Website. C.b.c. Radio one across North America on Sirius x.m. $169.00 n.p.r. I published Radio International My name's Tom our it's not an exaggeration to say that Steve Martin and Martin Short are each comedy legends but these 2 dude's they're funny on their own but when they get together something special happened somehow they get even funnier and that comedy bromance is right up there with Key and Peele Cheech and Chong Smothers Brothers they've done movies like The 3 Amigos father of the bride and now they've taken their friendship on the road in a show called now you see them soon you won't partly a variety show partly a stroll through memory lane the highlights of a long friendship partly a testament to mortality and if you have a friendship that's lasted as long as there is you can appreciate by now it sounds like this did you see me and Ellen No I missed out on of course with my thinking that's on at 3 pm and that's when you're having dinner I by the way Mark the short is also the name I use when I check into a hotel and want to be anonymous I approve. The other friend like that never friend like that who you like isn't someone said this to me the other day that said you know you know you have those friends who are you've been this mean to each other jokey mean to each other for so long you don't really know how to be nice to one another. That's a clip from Steve Martin and Martin Short their show is touring through the us right now you can stream their special on Netflix now so when your chance to talk to them I started by asking them what they get out of making new material after so many years in the industry so the show's called now you see them soon you won't I should point out for anyone expecting like a greatest hits here this is pretty much all new material Steve you're not doing King Tut Marty you're not doing Ed Grimly now you know I'll start with you Marty is it still fun to create something new even with this catalogue behind you Oh absolutely I mean I think that. You know I don't think this show is a best of show it it is as you said new and so that's for me a continuation of what I've always done and that's what makes me happy Steve haven't you. You know we just for someone to comment on you talked about comedy teams and Marty and I are comedy team by team by accident the other people you mentioned they designed themselves to be comedy teams and. You know we were just I don't even think of us as a we're not an actual professional calm comedy team we're 2 people working on stage together but in a sense I guess we are a comedy team and I kind of like that idea. So you know we're just having a lot of fun doing the show and like you say we're it's not a not style detour we don't I don't really want to do you know old material and I don't think the audience really wants to see it anyway so yeah and I know you said that the applause can feel different when it's a recognition applause versus when it's a new Laughter applause right yeah you know what happens is if you come out as grimly you'll get a great applause but then you have to follow it up with something right and that's the hard part Steve it was nice to hear you say that like I get when I was obviously you guys aren't Burns and Allen you know and you're in your Nazis and Chong stuff like that but I guess when I was watching the Netflix special in particular it did feel like something I haven't seen in a while that well used to be a standard of American and Canadian comedy which are these these dual acts and whether that was intentional or not I did certainly feel that way. Well usually in a comedy team there's a straight man and a funny person I think we're we do both We're both straight men and we're both funny people to eat you know to the other person so I love the set Marty up with a joke and I think he was like the same and. It is different in that sense I can't really think of. There must be by the way there but an example but I can't think of an example of a quote comedy team that works like this. It's also it's a bit of that the show is interesting because it reminds me of like an old time variety show when I say that as we also don't have a whole lot of variety shows anymore where there would be right impressions and there would be acting in there would be sketches and there would be music we don't we don't see that as often anymore. Well in a television show variety show it's much easier to do because you just cut and go to the next thing in a live show you have to set up the band you have to do whatever but we don't we never set out to do a variety show we just combined 2 shows that we already had and work from there and developed into you know what it's become Yeah I tried don't even know how to describe it to me it's more like the feeling of a Martin like the feeling of watching something that's and that's a form that's that's gone but also kind of timeless at the same time. And I think that if you analyze anything in comedy too much it's kind of a mistake I think that you know 2nd City is a form that's been existing and thriving. For well over 50 years and ethanol is now in its 44th season I don't look at us now and say what an old fashioned farmer. She Is it making me laugh or not yeah you're right I mean it's always a danger of analysis if you just tuning in if you can with Steve Martin and Martin Short about their tone touring show now you see them soon you won't so I won't ask anything analytical here you said and I just tuned in. I said I had someone yesterday when I did that in the middle of the interview say hello to the new listeners. Well that's a good idea. Steve Martin met on the set of The 3 Amigos But do you remember the 1st time you were aware of his work oh much earlier than that. I became a fan of se t.v. And I think Marty you came on and what eighty's 81 I came on yeah in 82 right but anyway I was a fan of s.c.t. Even be the c.t.v. Even before that so I was a fully aware of as he thought only a few t.v. But then when Marty came on and Marty haven't you do you remember when you 1st became aware Steve Oh absolutely I became aware of Steve in the mid seventies certainly through Saturday Night Live and before I had his albums and. They would be played at parties you know were Goldeneye and people and John Candy would be laughing hysterically so I never knew at all. You know it was exciting to actually then finally meet him and then I let down. Did you do you play a Toronto or Hamilton back in those days yes I certainly did I played a place on it was either bore. Or what's the other big cross street the main street the main drag young Toronto there was a place called the chimney Yeah. And it was upstairs and it had a the stage next to the stage was an active salad bar. Always always a good environment for comedy you just need to guard perfectly focus. Steve it is funny though because when Marty was talking about hanging out with Gilda and hanging out with John Candy you know I have for whatever reason whether it's accurate or not I see with many ways it's like a solo performer so where does that attraction to collaborate in come from for me for you well I would certainly only do it with a few people I think I want to one of them is Marty I had a very nice collaboration with Alec Baldwin love when we hosted the Oscars one year I really enjoy it that's where I 1st thought hey it's more fun with 2. And you know but also Marty was his own that's our own choice that came out of nowhere Martin a few months ago I spoke with Steve Young he's a filmmaker he's Director David Letterman about his film back to Obs over Broadway is and it's about industrial musicals Well if you're listening to this these were these were Broadway shows produced by companies like Ford or General Electric they were performed for company conferences they were full scale musicals performed only for employees of an organization I founded the you were in in these productions right that's right I used to do them when I was you know I was living in Tron a primarily until the eighty's and this is in 74 and I do the Chrysler industrial show the spirit of Christ 74 we come up with dry ice. Dancing girls and another one of the sack that anybody aspect. We got if we got Wal-Mart on the phone you could probably put one together but Ok. Martin the outside of just money for a hungry young artist do you think you took anything from that time. Oh I think any time you perform you're you're better these are big production shows yes they were about a fury and a Ford but the bucket seats power at your feet you know those lyrics but still it was you were in costumes and they were lighting and there was an audience of 15 and it was you only get better if you do that so strangely I meant when I 1st found out about the things I I didn't even know they existed and they were so huge multimillion dollar production absolutely Steve creations your musical career a couple of times so far as your banjo player I'm also a banjo player and as a Scruggs banjo player it was nice to see you eventually place drugs down not just clawhammer the whole Netflix special Well I started with Oh I see the actually we recorded a Scruggs tune but we didn't include it in the show. We just didn't think it was I mean you know it was the number wasn't appropriate but I still I started out as a Scruggs player as you probably know that yeah you know I'm an climber came later I can't climb or I can I can I can only do this God can't bring myself you know it's like ballet and tap it's like they're 2 different very different disciplines and they're and almost have nothing to do with each and they have nothing to do with each other so you're really just learning a new instrument if you want to learn climber but the way I learned to move was just sit in front of the television and just have the banjo in my hand and just do the do some quiet Ammar. Licks until they tell it happened you know yeah I guess that's the way I remember doing there's nothing like getting the audience to jump in tune in it and here is banjo player talk about the fire and for the audience just so you know Scruggs style is played with picks on your fingers and you pluck essentially up with the finger and claw hammer you don't where picks a new pluck. Down with the back of your fingernail But speaking of like different disciplines I did find it interesting that when it comes to comedy you need an ideal you can get a reaction from an audience every couple of seconds whereas with music you need to sit and meditate and play something for maybe 3 or 4 minutes at a time and us wonder when you 1st in the doing that was it was Was it challenging at all to not be able to get that interesting question because it was very different and I wouldn't even suspect anybody would think that but when I started playing music on stage with the band after comedy you have to wait 3 minutes before you even know if it's going well so that was a shift for me because I kept wanting some kind of feedback but what you really want is silence on what you're playing. Music and then say and then the either you know some kind of reaction at the end. So it did take a while I thought I gotta get used to the silence here it's a scary Martin do you find the same thing when you play music with the I know you sing generally funny songs but you must have the same experience. I think I do but I do tend to just view my musical ability as a way to get a laugh you know I don't think anyone wants to see me sincerely saying you know the ballads I mean I think we're at an interesting moment in comedy especially when it comes to what you can say what you shouldn't say on stage maybe I should say rather than can is this something that you guys think about when you crack this particular show and how audiences have changed Well I think you have to I think you have to be more sensitive of what you can say that there tends to be. A ramification from it I do think that the ramification is slightly over exaggerated I think that people are concerned more than probably the end result. But you know there's always there's always limits of what you shouldn't shouldn't say on stage I think Steve how do you . Yes I believe I believe in limits I mean I believe in. You know letting the audience trust you so if you are a comedian who is known for not having any limits that's fine we're not known for that so I don't want to have the audience come in expecting one thing and then suddenly we're out being completely outrageous and filthy. But it don't it's up to the performers to define what they do to the audience ahead of time I read that you guys had a had a bit where Marty comes out in drag from an earlier show and you guys it felt like it wasn't landing with a contemporary audience no it was you know it had the opposite actually it was it was really landing but we made an intellectual decision that it was pretty a fashion Oh really but it was working so much that was the hard thing but you know what was behind that intellectual decision I'm just curious I think the sense when you see it 1st of all you know our show was our live show was longer than what Netflix wanted you know so we had to lose 30 minutes of material 20 minutes of material and we both looked at that number and both said it seems a little something not work yet so well a little unstable time even though I have some not going to work on television Right right yeah it's a it's a change of heart but I think it was a Jerry Seinfeld said that if you're out there to please your audience then you have to please the audience that you have not the audience that you may have had 20 years ago yeah that's true Yeah well he's smart guy you know he's his he's done Ok yeah yeah so how have you guys find being back on the road touring again we love it it's really fun I mean look if if if we were not deeply enjoying this we wouldn't be doing it and we don't do it we're not on the road continually remember we take. 4 shows a month and then we take a month off so it's not a grueling schedule I'd guess you've been on the road for off and on for about 2 years you made time to be in a call and ask to be clubbed with Tom Hanks. Well it's not really a club. What is what are we talking about there. It's a it was a way of making Colin hospitals no more tolerable but all the guys would hang out at my house and we'd have dinner and drink our fluids and then go on the same day that turn it into a party instead of a pain yeah. I was so I want to thank you for your time today I just want to know what like what does doing a show I go each of you what does doing a show like this do creatively that maybe you can't aren't getting anywhere else Mario start with you why I think that you know being if you work on stage it's a totally different set of muscles and if you work in a film and I think for me it's the most exhilarating because it's in the moment it's live and there's energy in the room that feeds back and makes you even more on your game so to me this is the favorite for Steve but you. I am so happy doing this and it's really I have no interest in movies I have no interest in. You know going to work at 6 am and rapping at 8 pm and sitting in a trailer I just I've lost that I like this we fly together we laugh we rehearse the show in the day to get soundcheck and then we have a great time on stage and then we have a great time after the stage I forget that it's creative though sometimes I think we're not doing anything creative I go yes I am I'm doing 60 shows a year with Marty and it also just must be beautiful I think about this and then I'm in a radio studio where I have you know and people I know intellectually that people are listening but I kind of have a kind of forget it that until they go out and stage and do a show live I can imagine the same thing when you make films when you make records intellectually you know people are going to hear it but it's only when you get into theater that you actually get to see the people who are actually engaging with your work if you see their faces it's exhilarating guys thank you so much for your time I do really appreciate you taking a lot of back by by Steve Martin and Martin Short's live show is called Now you see them soon you won't it's touring throughout the u.s. 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Or Public Radio International My name is Tom. Is the former host of this program also a Juno Award winning rapper also host the documentary series Hip-Hop evolution which has won both an Emmy and a Peabody Award no big deal but on that show Shad talked to some of the most influential and seasoned deejays of all time and reveals a lot about how hip hop came to be his latest album is called a short story about a war it's been short listed for this year's Polaris Prize That's the award for Canada's best album of the year only on artistic merit not anything else but when Chad went to make his latest album he couldn't help of be influenced by the experience of talking to his heroes for Hip-Hop evolution now you're not going to hear these heroes in any obvious way you're not going to hear any covers you're not going to hear a record that sounds like Grandmaster Flash just as he talked Grandmaster Flash. It was the nature of the conversations he had as an interviewer and what made him think about how we all interact that shaped his message here's what he had to say about it when that album 1st came out if there's anything that impacted this record I think it's kind of the experience of meeting so many people and meeting them in these particular situations like you and I are in but you know when you sit across from a stranger for example and just that dynamic of your coming with whatever you're coming with however you're feeling that day or whatever nerves you might have they also are nervous because they're about to be interviewed on the radio you know in front of a country or whatever and that energy and what we bring in our posture that we bring to social situations to economics to political conversations that is basically what this album is about so that's why it's a concept album it's a spiritual record ultimately these characters exist within us you know and I say towards the end of the album I guess the moral the stories of war continues within us this is a struggle and so as much as there's political resonances and all sorts of stuff on the album I think it's a spiritual album I think having the perspective and holding on to the perspective that's required to live peacefully and by that again I don't just mean in terms of physical violence I mean in our posture towards one another that's that's a spiritual. Think And you know if if I'm able to find that full character and that character's voice and wisdom it to me it's through something spiritual you know that comes from my spiritual education and through people all through religion you know so yeah absolutely it's a spiritual album and there's a lot going on and. It gets dark before it gets light on this album. Of the east. That is Shad recorded live in the key studio with his song All I need in from his incredible album a short story about a war which has been nominated for a Polaris Prize the award annually given to the best album in Canada any year based only on artistic merit not on anything else like sales or favorite cereal The winners will be announced in September. Ok we have one more song for you and it's the beginning of August I mean August still young and that means It's wedding season I don't know what it's like everywhere across the country but if you live in a place that has poor weather. You Finland usually get 3 good weeks to have your wedding that you know the weather is going to be all right so maybe that's why I'm staring down 3 weddings in 3 weekends none of which are my own by the way but I'm still pretty excited to head home and go to them and help celebrate love witness love and maybe start thinking about wedding songs so what are some good wedding songs I love dancing to you know. May December that's a nice one you know I was at a wedding recently and they played best I ever had by Drake everyone danced to it celebration love everything was good one I heard Gloria Gaynor I Will Survive which seems like an inappropriate wedding song. But then I heard this one and if you're getting married this year consider this crooner on your list here's Michael bublé with arguably the greatest Canadian wedding song. To. Call. Me old be annoying. Me what you told the because you concede. The be the best. I am feeling a subsidiary of heat for him to eat everyday for me to eat. You. In my opinion the greatest. For you to listen to while you're talking to a stuffed chicken breast or. By the way produced by David Foster sung by Michael bublé. You can watch videos of David Foster and on q. At our website c.b.c. Q. And that is it for me. In the show tomorrow with Jeff Daniels who you probably know . But did you know he's a singer as well. Later on. Public Radio International. When I think of those composers that we preserve there are are obviously very few women there are few minorities and so that can make someone like me question where do I belong if I even belong in the strictest composer Evan Williams addresses the issue of diversity with his harpsichord concerto dead white man music that's next time on living American composers new music from Bowling Green and that next time is tonight at 11 pm rounding out our musical evening together on David La to lead new music from Bowling Green at 11 backing up an hour exploring music with Bill McLachlan exploring Ottery no respect he more to hit this man's music than the pines in the fountains of Rome as you'll learn tonight at 10 and the music begins with music from Spoleto at 9 including music of Antonio Vivaldi Dmitri Shostakovich and Maurice Ravel Zz string quartet that's at 9 here on 91.7 San Francisco where city visions is next prerecorded this week. Latest. Stories about. Learning to say This is Kelly's 4th book she's also written the middle place lift glitter glue is also a creative director of the Nantucket project and host of The Conversation series about what matters most She's been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary She lives right here in the Bay area in East Bay Welcome Kelly Corrigan's so thrilled to have you on city visions Thanks sand and we'll invite your listeners to join our conversation in about 25 minutes by dialing our top toll free line 86 a pre recorded city visions we hope you enjoy this rebroadcast with your other 25 or you can e-mail us it's a division's. Org opposed to come on our website or follow us on Twitter hashtags are divisions. So Kelly before we get into your most recent book Tell Me More I'd actually like to start with your 1st memoir The middle place. At the at the time I found myself recommending the middle place to when it came out to friends I would I would say something like You know it's amazing it's a memoir about this mother of young children you discover she has breast cancer and just a few months later while she's undergoing treatment her father who she adores gets bladder cancer and it's so funny. And they look at me like I wasn't saying but it is a very funny book which is surprising given the subject matter I mean and this is kind of a consistent theme throughout your books you you how you find the humor in really dark places and you hold. The serious and the funny at the same time what's what's that like both in life and you know writing is a tricky Well it's funny to hear you say that about the middle place because when I 1st shared it with the woman who became my agent she said that the trick with getting a publisher to pick this up and put it out there is that it's could get set aside as quote unquote a cancer memoir and they just don't do well typically And she said only the people who read it will know that it's really about the difference between being someone's kid when you're a kid and being a kid when you're all grown up and Herm pression of it and the reason she liked it is because it was like a love letter to my dad right and so it does cover this one year where we're both fighting cancer but it also every other chapters a flashback to childhood and. And she then when the publisher bought it they said Our biggest fear is that people are going to stand at the bus stop and say to each other what are you reading and they're going to say I'm reading this book about a woman a breast cancer and then her dad have cancer and then everyone's going to be like great. Moving on and so they yeah it is I mean there are funny people in my life I guess that's why the middle place is funny is my mom is a really like a 1000000 dollar character he couldn't write her and my father is his own distinct character from her and then I have these 2 older brothers and they are in real life very amusing broadly drawn people and so it wasn't terribly difficult to keep a sense of humor about everything because that was the truth of that year that we went through things the way we always go through things which is you know a quick hug and then you look funny bald you know how they feel about you writing about them you know it's interesting. Very positive generally to cut to the chase but it is interesting at a very specific level what a given person who I'm writing about or touching on in a story what they might object to and I have discovered over 4 bucks in 10 years that it's very difficult to predict what will. Be a problem for someone so like I wrote a line about my older brother that I thought was very funny.

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