B.b.c. World Service it's 5 hours g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend with Julia morning. Coming up Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen secretly recorded he's discussing payments to a former Playboy model that's according to a report in The New York Times Disney has sacked the Guardians Of The Galaxy director James Gunn after offensive social media posts resurfaced online this is a move on Disney's part to really draw a line and Disney obviously such an association fan weeks and weeks of protesting against government has left over 300 dead in does the government now have the upper hand they succeeded in taking every major city in Nicaragua where rebel forces had created strongholds That's all coming up here on Weekend. First the world news. Hello I'm Rosemary Crick with the b.b.c. News the Palestinian group Hamas says it has agreed a ceasefire with Israel after an upsurge of violence in the Gaza Strip Israel has not commented on the deal but the ceasefire is reported to be holding on Friday the Israeli military said it struck dozens of targets in Gaza after one of its soldiers was shot dead on the border health officials in Gaza said 4 Palestinians were killed Tom Bateman is in Jerusalem the when sirens in some communities close to Gaza or in southern Israel the Israeli army says that 3 projectiles were launched intercepted 2 of them one landed in an open area this is in a couple of months the 3rd at least the 3rd very serious exchange of hostilities and there appears to be mediation involving a secluded Gyptian but also the un we will assume that's happening again but we'll have to wait and see where it goes the Israeli soldier is the 1st to be killed in or around Gaza since the last war in 2014 President Juan Manuel Santos of Colombia has welcomed 10 former Fox rebels to Congress at the opening session of the new parliament the 5 senators and 5 members of the House of Representatives took up their seats as part of the peace deal reached in 2016 President Santos said he was happy to see former rebels who've given up the armed struggle and vowed to respect the Constitution may you know these are the facts yet it fills me with satisfaction that those who for more than half a century fought with weapons against the States and its institutions today subject themselves to the Constitution and the laws of Colombia as we were they were not able to. Face because suspended another data collection firm from using its site while it investigates claims that Boston based Crimson Hexagon may have been using people's information to build surveillance tools Facebook suspended British and Canadian based analytic firms for similar. Reasons earlier this year Dave Lee reports Crimson Hexagon Ses It collects the vast amounts of public data in order to provide consumer insights something that is not against Facebook's policies however the Wall Street Journal newspaper has reported that data firm worked with a group linked to the Kremlin as well as various u.s. Government agencies using Facebook data for surveillance is against the site's policies the us film director James Gunn has been sacked by Disney for offensive messages posted on Twitter up to 10 years ago the Guardians Of The Galaxy director has since apologized for the tweets which included jokes about rape and paedophilia Disney said the comments were inconsistent with its values James Gunn a vocal critic of President Trump will not be involved anymore in the making of the 3rd film in the Guardians Of The Galaxy franchise Well news from the b.b.c. . The Spanish conservative people's policy is due to select a new leader to replace me at Mariano Rajoy who is retiring after being ousted as prime minister in a confidence vote last month the former deputy prime minister Soraya science day sutta Maria is running against the 37 year old congressman public Rosado who would take the party further to the right the winner will lead opposition to Spain's minority socialist government accident investigators examining how 17 people died when their tourist boat sank on a lake in the u.s. 8 of Missouri have appealed for witnesses to send in their videos they will also examine why the amphibious boat was on the water when a weather warning had been issued questions have also been raised why the passengers appear not to have used life jackets 9 members of one family were among those killed a spokeswoman for the town of Branson melody petite said they were providing support for affected family members it opened up the doors to City Hall to allow some of the family members who are involved in the situation to be here to be comforted to have a place to go during one of the most difficult times in their life we have chaplains inside We're talking with them we have psychologists inside and really we just want to help out in any way possible the president elect of Mexico Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has called a decision of the electoral forty's to find his party $10000000.00 and acts of vengeance his national Regeneration Movement was issued with a fine on Wednesday when the Electoral Institute said it had broken campaign funding rules over a trust the party said was set up for earthquake victims Francis sending 50 tons of medical aid to government controlled eastern Ghouta are in Syria after Russia gave assurances that the delivery which reached civilians the supplies are being carried on a Russian plane and will be distributed by international aid agencies b.b.c. News. It's 6 minutes past 5 g.m.t. Welcome 'd to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service with me Julie Morricone coming up in this half hour. Repetition the Western world news probably gets sullied I can get this I mean maybe it's just far more important for me to preserve my culture then to care for what you think of us with the Indian Supremes Court set to rule on whether to decriminalize homosexuality in the country you'll hear from those vehemently opposed to this happening but 1st president trumps former lawyer Michael Cohen secretly recorded a conversation with his client in which they discussed payment to a former Playboy model that's according to a report in The New York Times newspaper The paper claims the f.b.i. Now has that recording which reportedly was made 2 months before the presidential election in 2016 Well Stephen fish is a professor of political science at the University of California in Berkeley and he's on the line why would you stick own have recorded such a sensitive conversation well that appears that he probably recorded such conversations as a matter of course by New York law lawyers are actually allowed to do this he might just be covering his own tracks we don't know for sure why you would have recorded the conversation but it does open questions about what other conversations he recorded and bigger matters of relevance to the Russian best occasion to the record conversations that have president trumps a voice that's a big question that comes out of this I want to come back to that in a moment but if it is true that this conversation has been recorded what will the f.b.i. Most likely do with it. Well right now the f.b.i. Will you know has custody of the conversation but let me say you know it's not clear that the f.b.i. Actually regards this as of great importance in fact it's probably the case that the trumpet ministration release this conversation itself of course he was lying This exposes a trump lie because he didn't die during the campaign that he had any knowledge of his payments to the woman who he had the affair with but we're used to hearing Trump lie it also could possibly in years were law enforcement officials would be concerned with is it raises questions of campaign finance laws because it's Trump paid out of campaign funds to have this woman silence that would be a violation of the law at the same time the release of this actually could well be a distraction planned by the trumpet ministration I mean look we're used to trump Lying there are many investigations of him going that are really just as big or bigger than this issue of the use of campaign funds to silence this woman the really big issue right now the Trump faces of course suspicions that he's working for the Russians and what we're doing tonight talking about this instead of talking about what went on in Helsinki right was recycled but the Trump administrator wants right now let's just concentrate on that for a moment because clearly that goes back to the possible motivation of Mr Cohen and what he might do if funny and if he has other recorded conversations to hand and that his way you think this potentially take says. Yes And I think that's the big question right now this question of law of Cohen having this in this recording in and of itself it affects Cohen but it doesn't really affect the country or anybody else all that much it's possible that law enforcement authorities will use the leverage they have arriving out of his conversations and his notes against him to try to get him to turn on Trump that would just be a smart prosecutor's tactic and that is the bigger question because Cohen was a man who once said that he'd take a bullet for trial but in recent months Trump doesn't seem to have stood up for Cohen and Cohen started to say well you know my family comes 1st my country comes 1st and he's implying that he might turn on Trop if he's actually got phone conversations recorded between himself and trunk of relevance to the Russian bus to get that's the really big news Ok as you say plenty of ifs and uncertainties in this at the moment but thank you very much for your full Stephen fish professor of political science at the University of California in Berkeley. The Hollywood film director James Gunn has been sacked by Disney as director of the 3rd Guardians Of The Galaxy film after a number of offensive social media posts have come to light according to Alan Horn the chairman of well Disney Studios Mr guns tweets indefensible and inconsistent with the studio's values Dana Schwartz a Los Angeles correspondent for Entertainment Weekly told me more about James Gunn he is a massive figure and the Marvel Universe is a massive massive deal within the film community so his firing from Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 really sent shock waves through the entertainment industry today adding to the Galaxy one and 2 have been such colossal hits and the characters were also a major part of vendors and been in the war and other massive box office smash so outlined what he has done wrong here and how it has come to light figures on the right who support Donald Trump have unearthed old tweets from James Gunn that he had previously deleted tweets from from 2009 to 2011 in which he made sort of lewd jokes about pedophilia and having people having sexual relationships with babies and young children they're very lewd jokes that have since been deleted but that have been unearthed in screenshots and what's James Gunn said about it James Gunn has apologized has taken full responsibility said that he had been attempting to be a provocateur or to make jokes that he knew were offensive and taboo but has over the past decade grown as a person both in his sense of right and wrong and in a sense of humor he has previously apologized for these jokes you know in about 2012 some are closely related to when he actually made these jokes and there was actually conversation in some small communities when he was 1st hired for the 1st. Right into the Galaxy film people brought these tweets up and he issued a formal apology but now that the right wing set their sights on him he was fired he issued another apology and then he has sort of taken a step back and the studios for whom he was working have accepted that that is the right thing to do have they this is a move on Disney's part to really draw a line in the sand I think it's important Disney obviously has such an association with being family friendly and especially now that Marvel characters are both associated with Disney World in Disneyland especially I mean Guardians Of The Galaxy characters the very franchise about which we're speaking has become a ride at Disneyland so I think it's very important for Disney in this case to maintain ever the appearance of complete propriety Danish thoughts of Entertainment Weekly since April her around 300 people have been killed in Nicaragua as protests against President Daniel Ortega have grown in strength after a particularly bloody weekend the last few days though have seen a change and it looks as if government forces have gained the upper hand when I spoke earlier to Col David Getty Lucy act who's a journalist from The Independent Nicaraguan media outlet radio see Adama I asked him to sum up the change that has taken place in the country over the past week there's been missed sea change in Nicaragua in the last week the last several months the protest movement has been gaining steady ground universities were turned into resistance and cannons rebel forces within cities barricaded themselves inside neighborhoods and slowly progressed out from there one city after the next declared its independence from the government there was a massive surgeon Wow government forces were able to take back parts of one city or sack one university it seemed like the protesters had the. Bandage This week marks a huge difference the government promised to clean up the streets and have a campaign that would cleanse a number of cities and they followed through on that promise timing their offensive to coincide with the 39th anniversary of the Nicaraguan revolution and on that day which was the 1000th of July and they had indeed succeeded in sacking the students from all of the university and can't ments and retaking every major city in Nicaragua where rebel forces had created strongholds where does this leave the protests and the protest is now do you think well the protest movement is not completely unified There are many different factions of it I think many within the student movement and civil society are hoping that international organizations will intervene and come to their aid and many resistance commanders that I have stayed in touch with are currently in exile in close to Rica and have told me that they are planning to regroup and launch a counter offensive though the specifics of that as I'm sure you know I cannot share. And one of Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega can he now look at the situation from the point of view of somebody who is more confident of holding on to power well on the 1000th of July for the anniversary of the revolution and his party this on the news the National Liberation Front held in Norma's celebration in the Plaza that day and the speeches coming from both the president and his wife and vice president Little Sadie and we're certainly speeches of victory denouncing the cool plot as they called it by say tannic and perverse people and certainly we're looking at the situation as one that had been concluded victoriously does that mean that he is not listening to the international condemnation that has been of his government well he made a he took time out of his speech to condemn the o.e.a. As an instrument of the United States and as an instrument of imperialistic regime change so no I do not believe that the condemnations of the United States or of the Organization of American States has much weight in the mind of Daniel or so when you look ahead to the next days the next weeks what what's is in your mind is the likely next development in all this I think that's really hard to say this streets right now are Kong and cleared paramilitary are patrolling areas that were once rebel strongholds however hidden within houses there are families who are grieving young men and women who have been killed in recent weeks and I believe that that human suffering in agony is likely to propel Nicaraguans of violence and conflict yet again I doubt things will remain very Kong for very long Col David Guetta Lucy I could journalist from The Independent Nicaraguan media outlet radio at last you know Donna. Now tensions on the border between Israel and the Gaza strip of been rising significantly in recent months. So now there's been another outbreak of violence Israel has attacked military targets in Gaza after its soldiers came under gunfire at the border one of whom died officials in Gaza said 4 Palestinians were killed in the strikes 3 of them members of the militant group Hamas Well this tweet from the UN's envoy for the Israeli Palestinian conflict Nikolai I'm allowed in off leaves no possible doubt as to the potential risks of further escalation he writes everyone in Gaza needs to step back from the brink not next week not tomorrow right now a mass says a cease fire has now been agreed Israel is yet to comment on that Middle East Correspondent Tom Bateman told us what led to Mr Madoff tweet in such harsh terms here's alarmed because there has been a series of quite serious escalations on the boundary between Gaza and Israel over the last well the last few weeks but really the last few months now what we know happened is that the Israeli army says there was what it described as a severe shooting incident coming from Gaza during these regular protests that have been happening now it didn't go further in detail in what had happened it said soldiers were shocked that it's confirmed that an Israeli soldier was killed in the aftermath of that he carried out what it then described as a wide scale attack a series of airstrikes on militant targets in the Gaza Strip and 4 militants believed to have been killed reportedly from the masses on 2 in the office Samberg aides during all doubt there were then sirens in some communities close to guards are in southern Israel the Israeli army says that 3 projectiles were launched intercepted 2 of them one landed in an open area this is you know in a couple of months the 3rd at least the 3rd very serious exchange of hostilities and there appears to be mediation involving secured the Egyptians but also the u.n. . We will assume that's happening again but we'll have to wait and see where it goes Tom Bateman reporting from Jerusalem you're listening to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service. Now to the World Sport The Open Championship has reached its halfway stage Alister Rossi's with me with the details from that and the rest of the day's borderless Yes Thanks Julian it is Americans as Zach Johnson and Kevin kiss who top the leaderboard at the Open Championship going into the 3rd round both all 6 on the Paul Johnson looking to become the 1st player in history to win major titles at the famous courses all Guster St Andrews and at Carnoustie where this tournament is being held I've completely accepted that my best can be good enough but yet it's not going to be given I got to go out there next year and I got to fight and I think you just got to you know hit a low what you do you do got to use the bumps in the Rolls and I think that man you got to get solid solid shots and the last 2 days I've done a pretty good job plenty of others in contention Rory McILROY is 2 shots off their lead with Jordan speed than Ricky Fowler one shot further back Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson 6 shots off but the big shock was that apology of the top 2 goal for us in the world neither Dustin Johnson nor Justin Thomas made the halfway cut elsewhere Kenya has a new world record holder bad Chris kept Kohak not more than 8 seconds off the 3000 meter steeplechase record at the Diamond League athletics meeting in Monaco coming home just over 8 minutes 44 seconds Catherine Manuell also looked for a long time like she might set a world record the South African ahead of the pace for much of her 800 meter race but she ended up clocking one minute 54.60 that is still only one and a half seconds off the 35 year old world record Meanwhile in the sprint race is really just a to Lou lead my Florian wants in the women's 100 meters the Diamond League shifts to London this weekend World Championship silver medal 60 meter sprint to Chris. Jim Coleman will be competing in the 100 meters there but is concerned this is coming off a hamstring injury you know you look you know the guys compete in. Your own affairs Tom as in you know you're looking at of videos of you you know running in you know just wishing to do air their level of health now term is really tough physically you know emotionally so I'm just you know I came back in. And one other side of the now and cycling team Skyrider Karen Thomas held on to the overall leader's yellow jersey going into stage 14 on Saturday Peter can pounce light to secure his 3rd victory of the top of France as he won a sprint finish on stage 13 and Italian football side AC Milan have had their one year ban from European football overturned European governing body u.a.e. For had issued a punishment after deciding Milan had breached their financial fair play rules spending $260000000.00 on transfers the Court of Arbitration for Sport partially Apel the club's appeal though and I told you I for to issue a more proportionate measure that means the club is now free to play in this season's Europa League Alister thank you very much Allister Ross with the latest sport against the order of nature that is how Section 377 of India's penal code describes gay sex the law which is a relic of British rule outlaws homosexuality and puts it on a par with bestie ality when other countries Supremes court is poised to repeal it after India's Conservative government signaled it would not stand in the way but will the removal of legislation that is rarely enforced make a great deal of difference Joe Millionaire reports from Delhi. It's a muggy Thursday night in Delhi and in the basement of one of the city's hotels 3 drag queens in a macular makeup and convincing for statics a sashaying down a glitzy runway to the rouer of a well dressed crowd. By day these drag queens are high flying lawyers and chefs by night at least in the confines of this club they are out and proud free to celebrate their gender fluidity and their sexuality was the only that was eventually Hi My name is better nonstop and I am 25 years old from New Delhi I've been doing jog since last time 17. Idea is to be fearless is to accept yourself and the more people come out with their own already nation in there and people who are comfortable in that I'm skint the better it does for the whole community. But for many in India such liberation is but a distant dream. To meet a jewel the total who. This man who asked to remain anonymous moved to the capital city from a small conservative town in northern India to study hotel management and to live free as a gay man but soon after arriving he claims he became a target of India's colonial era ban on homosexuality known as Section 377 tours and a demo by Lee I made a move to snap a police officer stopped me took my phone and noted all my family contacts he later asked for a bribe of 10000 rupees or else he'll tell my family that I'm gay section 577 has become a tool for them to extort money that. Was made no such affidavits are currently being presented to India said. Priem court which is for the 2nd time considering a constitutional challenge to section 377 surprisingly Modi's right wing government signaled that it won't stand in the way of repeal but Superman and Swami a Harvard educated prominent member of the ruling b.j. P. Party is adamant 377 should remain on the statute we don't have one people of the same sex pretending as if this is normal behavior he considers her sexuality edge an attic floor and he's unmoved by tales of discrimination by law enforcement to learn that the law. Is not going to trouble you unless you use front it don't front there must have exhibited that they must of celebrated that this is a it is that kept it private to the whole of the police no I don't think that anyone in this country who privately practices homosexuality would be troubled at all on she worried about how this makes India look in the eyes of the wider world you're in the company of people like the United Arab Emirates and Yemen and countries that outlaw homosexuality I think you are saying that our reputation in the western world probably. I couldn't care less I have made this is far more important for me to preserve my culture than to care for what you think of us how long do you think India can resist a sentient being swept along in the toilet of progress India has resisted all or for centuries. We know what we want to do. Was to Delhi's drag show revelers snap explicit photos readily uploading them to social media with a hash tag noted 377 the repeal they're beginning to believe is just a formality. But India's l g b t community once dismissed by the court is a miniscule minority have learnt not to celebrate too early and they know that even if they score a legal victory the battle for tolerance in India's traditional society is yet to be one. Drag queen better nonstop once more a lot of people fear that how their family will react and they will not accept it but till the time you do not really try you will never know if they accept it or not and was going was there in large docu for a week or maybe a month but then used their family so then they'll come C. Joe Miller reporting from Delhi With weekend from the b.b.c. World Service just a word about what's coming up in the next half an hour you'll have been more than aware I'm sure of what happened in Helsinki at the beginning of the week and that press conference involving presidents Trump and Putin then what was said subsequently 24 hours later by President Trump in terms of where he said he misspoke in the original press conference and we now have that invitation to President Putin to come to Washington to have further discussions with President Trump at some point in the future reflections on all of that to come including those of Warren Davidson who's a Republican congressman for Ohio who is broadly supportive of Donald Trump and what he has done since he came to office that's to come I have to guess to introduce you to as well in a moment Sally leaves Lee and Justin quirk of both with me in the studio you'll hear from them after the latest news headlines. Distribution of the b.b.c. World Service in the us is made possible by American Public Media with support from Exact Sciences offering Colo guard for average risk adults over 50. Noninvasive colon cancer screening test that can be used at home available by prescription only information at Colo guard test dot com. 2 It's 530 g.m.t. This is weekend from the b.b.c. World Service Still to come to Helsinki there is now that invitation to Washington we'll hear from one of Mr Trump supporters in Congress and Kipling racist. Students being oversensitive That's all here on Weekend with me Julianne Moore. Summary of world news. B.b.c. News with Rosemary Creek the Palestinian group Hamas says it has agreed a cease fire with Israel off an upsurge of violence in the Gaza Strip is reported to be holding though Israel has not commented on the deal Israel said it struck dozens of targets in Gaza after one of its soldiers was shot dead on the border 4 Palestinians were reported killed form a fault rebels in Colombia have taken up seats in Congress for the 1st time since the end of their 5 decade insurgency in 2016 President Juan Manuel Santos the new parliament to maintain the agreement to ensure ongoing peace in Colombia he steps down next month Facebook has suspended a u.s. Data analytics firm from its platform it's investigating claims that Boston based Crimson Hexagon was providing data for government surveillance purposes Crimson Hexagon denies using data inappropriately old tweets discovered by a conservative Web sites have led Disney to sack the Guardians Of The Galaxy director James Gunn for offensive messages posted up to 10 years ago Mr Gun has since apologized for the tweets which included jokes about rape and paedophilia the president elect of Mexico Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has denounced the decision of the electoral Thora tese to fine his party $10000000.00 over inappropriate campaign funding he described the fine as an act of vengeance and said his party would fight the decision in court u.s. Investigators have issued an appeal for witnesses to send them video footage as they examine how a tourist boat sank during a storm on a lake in Missouri on Thursday 17 people including 9 members of one family were killed when their boat was swamped the Spanish conservative people's policy is due to select a new leader to replace Marianna who is retiring after being ousted as prime minister in a confidence vote last month the winner will lead opposition to Spain's minority government b.b.c. News. You're listening to the b.b.c. World Service I'm Julia Moore Iker with that weekend and a little later on the battle of the poets. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing inventors and blaming it on you you may write down the history twisted nice amount you may trod me in the very debt if you could still might not just carry rice or being lied about don't deal in lies or being hated don't give way to hating and yet don't look too good nor talk through why he means unlike some in the certainty of time just like Hell explaining Hi I'm doing all right while some students in Manchester have scrubbed out Rudyard Kipling's poem if from the walls at the university I replaced it with Maya Angelou's Still I Rise they say he was racist we will discuss that a little later on this hour and I have to guess with me for the rest of the program to offer their perspectives on the news and issues of the day the managing director of new risk Ltd Sally lease Lee is here Sally welcome good Maggie and alongside Sally is Justin quirk writer editor and cultural strategist Justin Welcome good morning good morning. To you both about current work Sal your work concentrates on risk and security and you are going to a panel on catastrophic risk Yes Well catastrophic risk is not a fun thing. I wasn't imagining it was but at the moment around the world the scientists around the world and really particularly nuclear physicists who are r.c. Is the guardians of public safety in the nuclear weapons that they've originally designed. Meeting and in one particular panel in a Ricci later this year there's a regular meeting of a lot of physicists from around the world who start to talk about the concerns about nuclear proliferation which are now much more acute. Than they've been in past years this means how do the tensions reduce in North Korea what is going to happen with Iran and very particularly what are the new weapons going to do and particularly some of what we've seen with Russia on Violet's hypersonic weapons what's going to happen to the warning systems for the public because in the end it's the populations that suffer it's interesting that you highlight the cost list of an event like that is that to say that the people who design these weapons are best placed to know the risks and therefore to curb the use of them or the effect of them absolutely and a lot of the politicians in the world have got very little understanding now of the real impact the Japanese if you see the Japanese through several generations the Japanese are terrified of nuclear weapons and they've had North Korean missiles going over Japan and that's a very clear message Japan over generations hasn't forgotten Morty is a small nuclear impact compared to the 10 times very important very sort of rough type of device that North Korea could now produce and nothing like the sophisticated weapons that Russia or the Americas could produce So we're into a different ball game and it's warning in the cold war you'd have a number of minutes here in the United Kingdom but now we're down to very short warning time so how can we keep people alive. Just in a word about a new book project that you have coming out I think which is a collection of photographs from heavy metal geeks Yes it's a much more lighthearted project than the my colleagues itself work on for about a year it's called Battle docket number one so these are the if you are a 14 year old boy who's obsessed with heavy metal These are the sort of sleepers then in jackets covered in patches and badges of various kinds. You still get for thousands of these things heavy metal shows people work them for decades of almost comic labrat little works of the people walk around on so often photographing them for about a year at different heavy metal shows on the country and we've turned that into a book project coming out saying for which there is clearly a sit well serious interest among those 14 year olds who are now of a certain age and a market for them as well but this is a nice thing because you're internees old guys at the gates he said well you know Arthur started building this when I was 15 and put away childish things in the patches came off it went into the loft and then at some point they go back to it and they've been rebuilding and reconstructing the of Memento Mori almost their sort of heavy metal gates but I think in prison a lot of longsuffering moms and partners had been roped in because of seamstress skills were required and yes I wonder who had done the sewing just think with a Sally leaves early with me if you have any thoughts of what you hear from them then by all means get in touch as we turn our attention to invention Helsinki and Moscow and Washington in recent days the repercussions from Monday's extraordinary press conference in Helsinki between presidents Trump and Putin continue the meeting between the 2 presidents came at the end of Mr Trump's European trip that included that rather divisive NATO summit then a trip to Britain in which he criticized the British prime minister's Breck's it plans in a newspaper interview and was then much more supportive of her on live television before Helsinki Mr Trump and suggested that he's meeting with the Russian president could be the easiest leg of that trip even though u.s. a. Curity services have accused Russia of meddling in the u.s. Election of 2016 Well immediately after meeting Mr Putin President Trump seemed disposed to give Russia the benefit of the doubt people came to me then coats came to me and some others they said they think it's Russia I have President Putin he just said it's not Russia I will say this I don't see any reason why it would be America's intelligence services were furious President Trump's director of National Intelligence Dan Coats who you heard referred to there reaffirmed the u.s. Clear view that there had been Russian meddling in the 26000 election and that Russia was continuing in its pervasive efforts to undermine democracy one former director of the CIA James Clapper even went so far as to call President Trump's comments treasonous the speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan insisted that there was no doubt that Russia had intervened to try and sway the $26000.00 election Lattimer Putin does not share our interests vitamin Putin does not share our values we just conducted a yearlong investigation into Russia's interference in our watch and they did interfere elections it's really clear there should be no doubt about that I understand the desire in the need to have good relations that's perfectly reasonable but Russia is a menacing government that does not share our interests and it does not share our values and I think it should be made very very clear Well the following day President trouble offered an explanation and he said he did trust his intelligence services and a key sentence in my remarks I said the word would instead of $100.00. Percent and should have been I don't see any reason why I wouldn't or why he didn't want to invade Russia so 'd. Just to repeat it I send the word want instead of waiting. Well at the end of all this he has invited Mr Putin to the White House this autumn the Republican war and Davidson represents Ohio's 8th Congressional District and is a member of the house freedom caucus what does he make of President Trump's apparently new relationship with Vladimir Putin. The u.s. Has really kind of gone out of its way to try to build a positive relationship with Russia and Russia has continued to be an adversary they've continued to do things that undermine our way of life here the engaged in influence operations not just in the United States but in Europe and around the world but they've also kind of come close to aggression in the West and they certainly engaged in aggression against their nearby neighbors whether that's Georgia Ukraine Crimea you know there's a there's a lot of history there and I think when you look at the president sometimes when you look at his words you might not feel comfortable with everything that said or left on Saturday or even how it's stated sometimes but the actions have been great actions the United States has been engaged in have been strong I think that the things the president had said Drew a lot of attention globally frankly but I think some of that was really more because people want to highlight the division that they have with President Trump and they took advantage of the words and they should be focused more on the deeds right let me break that down a little if I may because you highlight the woods in the criticism that they received in some cool of course the president today later said that he misspoke in one particular way did you believe him when he said that well I think you as you know playing defense on the president really doesn't play defense well why he's been successfully he's been able to just move forward and get things done and he's not been the most eloquent speaker but he has been very effective at getting results but let me just break that down in that case when he was playing defense in other words he said he misspoke and I also you if you believe him I wasn't sure what you did on not. Well you know I really spent little very little time paying attention to the explanation because I felt like that was the wrong course of action I think that were advised and to go down that path you know it's just hard to undo what was done and I think that you know the really the right message is what do we really know we know that Russia and gauged influence operations in the United States election I think for the president it's really hard for him to continue saying that he has said that repeatedly because every time he does u.s. Media certainly on the left exploits that to try to consolidate their involvement in our election with a collusion with Russia but that's that's where that's where the doubt lay wasn't it over those woods because initially the clear indication from President Trump at that press conference was that he was mourning Klein to believe President Putin's version of events than he was he's own intelligence agencies a day later he seemed to reverse that now that 1st statement must surely given the history you have just outlined have worried you significantly but I think if you go back to 2016 and I think September 26th team President Obama at a press conference in the Rose Garden and this was when president now President Trump and then candidate would be Clinton as well were talking about you know rigged elections and you know inappropriate influence in the election cycle going on and you know people had said Well will you accept the outcome of the election and trumpet said well if it's not rigged so candidate Clinton and President Obama were very critical and President Obama you know came out into the Rose Garden to reassure the world that there's no way to rig or elections and at that point in time not only did he know that the Russians were engaged in influence operations now we know that he had probably an inappropriate level of insight into what was going on in the president into a president trying to campaign and so you know at that point time President Obama wasn't concerned that Russia was going to somehow influence the I. Come election. And frankly he wasn't concerned about it in December no but suddenly but most post has January not only President Obama. Failed candidate Hillary Clinton director of National Intelligence Clapper former f.b.i. Director call me and former CIA Director Brennan have been gauged as bitter partisans to try to undermine our duly elected president you talked as well about President Trump's actions and you felt they were more important than he's words what actions are you referring to specifically with regards to Russia so far in his presidency Well I think if you look at sanctions we actually have sanctions in place they're very strong trumps words sometimes are caustic and sometimes don't come across the way lots of critics want them to and frankly sometimes even fans want them to but the actions of been very strong we've got the strongest posture against Russia didn't i'm since the Cold War were Davis a Republican congressman for Ohio in the United States I'm sorry do you think we are looking at a new relationship between the White House and the president or not I think you're asking very logical questions about truth and honesty in politics. I was not sure I was getting on fire you know you are getting it the reality which is unpredictability you know months uncertainty the public isn't shocked if politicians law I say what you're looking at is a totally unpredictable Trump personality interacting with a very unusual personality Mr Putin those 2 personalities get on very well together as long as Trump remains unpredictable in the world is going to be a lot Sipho what Mr Putin however is doing and what we saw with the Helsinki Conference is he's actually playing to the post Trump president the next presidency because he's subtly using that that public interview to say whoever so. Ports close relations with Russia we're going to support you go back over what you just said because just to look slightly puzzled you talked about an unpredictable Trump making the world safer how so yes and in the Cold War we used to always say France in the same way Ok I'm going to call them where they're going to point their nuclear weapons and it had an effect with with Mr Trump the view that Mr Trump may be under Russian influence is incorrect when it comes to the most serious things he may believe what Mr Putin will say to him in a in a meeting but the but what Russia knows is that Trump is so unpredictable that they cannot control the fact that Trump may decide to turn nuclear weapons on them or to be very aggressive towards him if he sees them as acting in bad phase and Russia's carrying out harbored warfare so I think the cyber attacks and the potential aggression in Europe may very well decrease Ok just in your take on both what Sally said and what we're in a bit and said I think. That these things function as part of a whole. And I think you know if you saw the meeting Helsinki in the context of wages been in Europe. There's an interesting shift going on at the moment if you look at this of language and ideas that inside the far right online there's a sort of pivot taking place towards patrolling Russia as not a an enemy of America as it's been traditionally but as a idealized sort of white Christian Bork as opposed to the which they put try as a sort of racially diverse mix of failing liberal institution and I think so when we sort of say well you know why isn't this playing badly with this but yes if you voted for Trump of ethno nationalist lines then there's no reason why would I mean there's also you know I suspect. Very few people in his of base in America vote on foreign policy lines anyway because it seems these things in very distant removed from the later life that there's no reason why they would particularly see him moving close to Russia in this way as an enemy because that it's being seen as a counterpoint to the now and there's a very strong trend of that we're seeing in the online chatter interesting thoughts and you both I lived in Justin quirk are with me throughout the program we're going to turn our attention for the next few moments to a debate that's gone on in one of the U.K.'s universities and it revolves around poetry because when England lost to Croatia in the semifinal of the World Cup a couple of weeks ago the natural response from our colleagues at b.b.c. Radio 4 was to seek to comfort a grieving nation with these words from Rajar Kipling. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you if you can trust yourself when all men dark to you but make allowance for their doubting too. If you can wait and not be Todd by waiting or being lied about don't deal in lies or being hated don't give way to hating and yet don't look too good nor talk to whiners if you can dream and not make dreams your master if you can think and not make for joy if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those 2 impostors just the same if you can bat the hands of truth you've spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fulls or watch the things you gave your life to broken and stoop and build them up with worn out tools if you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss and loose and start again a job or getting is a never breathe a word about your loss if you can force your heart to know and sing you to serve your turn long after they're gone and so hold on when there is nothing in you except the will which says to them hold on if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue or walk with kings no lose the common touch if not the photos no loving friends can hurt you if omen count with you but none too much if you can fill the I'm forgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run yours as they are and everything that's in it and which is more you'll be a man myself. If it's one of Britain's favorite poems but some students at Manchester University took against it this week saying that Kipling was a colonialist and a racist it had been painted on the walls of a holes of residence but they scrapped it out and used market paint to replace it with Maya Angelou's poem still Iraq. It's you may write me down in history with your bitter twisted lies you may trolled me in the very dirt but still like dust oh rise does my Saxon is upset you why you beset with gloom cause I walk like I've got oil wells pumping in my living room just like moons in like suns with the certainty of time I'd just like hope springing high Still I'll rise do you want to see me broken bowed head and lowered eyes shoulders falling down like teardrops weakened by my soulful cries does my horse Ines offend you don't you take it awful hard cause I laugh like I've got gold mines digging in my own back yard you may shoot me with your words you may cut me with your eyes you may kill me with your hate filled this but still like. A rise does my sexiness upset you does it come as a surprise the tide dance like I've got diamonds a meeting of my thighs out of the hearts of history's shame I rise up from a past that is rooted in pain I rise I'm a black ocean leaping and wide welling in swelling I bear in the tide leaving behind nights of terror and fear I rise into a day break that is wondrously clear I rise bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave I am the dream and the hope of the slave I rise I rise I rise. Maya Angelou Still I Rise just what do you make of this debate that's going on at major to this week. It seems relatively idiotic in terms scrubbing this thing out and it's also I could be a very one dimensional reading of Kipling because that poem in particular you know thing is he's the end of football in things but it was inspired by the mistreatment of a soldier of the by war by society and Sally Amber Scott Johnson think. You know it there's a way of reading it where it's in fact a defense of you know the ordinary man against of overbearing North oratory. But equally I would say that sort of part of student life is making drastic suggestions and being wrong about stuff and I'm rather glad my own 18 year old self didn't have social media in the present but the story turned to bubble up because there's a constant kind of outrage factory in there is a particular breed of columnist who spends rather a lot time every week trawling through the news looking for outlaw stories of students doing things that I think be sort of idiotic and overly politically correct I can wage money that there will be at least 3 newspaper columns tomorrow written about this and the country's gone to the dogs and students are now the good they've got it so I would say on balance fairly idiotic behavior Bartz you know we were all 18 months Sally you're smiling Yes I think it's great fun argue with I've been watching this I think the universities need some 20 year old advisors on their boards it's at it we're reacting to to actually what they're doing Robin saying why are they doing this and for me it's so reassuring to see students engaged and asserting the new values over the old value system where around the world in all universities the other theory is that students will become socially disengaged and very vulnerable to a lot of the terrorist recruitment that's going on so why do you see this very healthy behavior I think it's all part of growth of values the fun thing about students is that when they leave university some of the attitude studies have shown that after a couple of years out of university away from this peer group they're actually go back to some of the parents their use so that's the sad news for the students so they won't hold on to those views very long studies would suggest you're listening to Weekend it's 5 for. The 5 g.m.t. a Reminder of our main news the Palestinian group says it has agreed a ceasefire with Israel the latest upsurge of violence in Gaza. Now a British student says children like her born following sexual violence during the Bosnian war are forgotten 25 year old Layla Damon has spoken out as people remember the 8000 Muslim men and boys killed by both me and Serb forces in this robbery massacre 23 years ago where many women like Layla's birth mother were raped during the conflict in Egypt reports. The Bosnian folksong to remember the victims of the Srebrenica massacre 23 years ago when sharing a few days in July 1000 Muslim men and boys were rounded up and killed by both me and said forces it was the worst atrocity of the 3 year conflict. Over 100000 people died in that will at least a 1000000 Bosnian Muslims in Kratz were driven out of their homes it was called ethnic cleansing but it wasn't just bombs and bullets that cause suffering rape was used as a weapon of war against thousands of women something 25 year old lady Damon news all about my birth mom who was raped in a concentration camp in Fata she was born on Christmas day her Muslim Beth mother suffer wanted nothing to do with her and gave her up for adoption are you going to go back. And get my absence of hotel I me and the woman who adopt Attash on Damon she and her husband were both British journalists covering that war and she tells me about the 1st meeting with latest Beth mother she was raped many many times and she was only released from the camp when she was heavily pregnant and she walked for several days to Sarajevo where she gave birth to life and she said I do not want to touch that baby she had hatred for this new baby not for the baby itself but for her trauma when she was 18 later was told the truth about her past and she wanted to find out more about others like her children born out of sexual violence she thinks as a culture of silence on this issue we are forgotten which is not spoken about it start silence that you know. Basically ultimately not allow Bosnia to progress. Was laid out speaks out. This sharing his story to help others by me speaking out I want to help those children that live in the small towns out in the countryside in Bosnia where the perpetrators still live in the same village is their mother who you know they're a child one of rape who are getting bullied in schools it's important for us and me to let them know that they're not the only ones out there so what have latest with the birth mother suffered last year labor and Shaun travel to both new to me and you know she held my hands and gave me a hug and you know said something in both me and she and she was lovely and it was a lovely experience and I would be different. Both suffered to try and apologize but the 1st thing you said you are not to apologize for anything and Sappho the most gracious thing Sophos said was Thank you for bringing her here I have peace in my heart now by speaking out on this late in the hopes it will help other victims of wartime sexual violence and their children find peace to major reporting you're listening to Weekend from the b.b.c. World Service a full bulletin of news in a moment. The the. This is Terry Gross the host of Fresh Air join me weekday evenings at 7 o'clock on Aspen Public Radio broadcasting on Kate a.j. Ax Aspen and Kay c.j. X. Carbondale.