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It was that it was make you think I can't believe you just said that thanks to the lifestyle thank you for the happy few weeks that followed it up with a little trip to make sure if it was a Presbyterian make you smile he said I don't want to call it is Ok Alaric right memory the body that if you do that I think that I would give you a laugh about the next year by you so you would be well did you get what you oh yes I do out now crowd was with Mary Jane was. It is that time again hi Larry James Bopp here welcome to the Paul Paul radio show got our really good one for you today a little bit later on we'll be talking with Laura materia she would have all called gender on Wall Street and it's uncovering opportunities for women in financial services and I want to find out that glass ceiling is cracked or just got a few little niches in a tell little nicks will find out from her she tells it like ideas and it could have always been worried about that you know it's like you know this is 2018 we still seem to be back in the eighty's or seventy's I don't like that I want to see us moving forward we've got to keep moving forward but before we do that Tom many times have you heard people saying well the Qur'an says this and the Bible says this and they go back and forth and back and forth and it's you know my God better than your God and man is just a little religion causes so many discussions and unfortunately not only this. Questions but wars to go along with it but hopefully we'll give you some straight talk today it's going to be very very interesting hang in there with us it's pop off and you know that we do. You know. You know we hear so many accusations and controversy and you know what the Qur'an says and means versus what the Bible says and means are they more alike or eons apart well noted religious scholar Notre Dame theologian Gabriel Saeed Reynolds takes on the monumental to and I do mean monumental task of making comparisons drawing on centuries of care around ik and biblical stories to offer rigorous commentary on how these books are intrinsically connected that should should surprise you in his book called The Qur'an and the Bible text and commentary now Gabriel is professor of Islamic studies and theology at the University of Notre Dame nice steady with us Gabriel is a game Gabriele Gabriel is trying is great or anything I've been called many things so I added I'm delighted to be reviewing Thank you yeah you and I both you know I never could quite understand why is there such controversy there are so many things that make them alike are they not. Right when we turned to the scriptures of the millions and millions of believing Christians Muslims and Jews what we find is that there were a lot of stories and characters who were in common you know maybe many people may not know that you know Adam Abraham Moses Jesus even Mary the Mother of Jesus they're all found in the Koran as well as the Bible really so in that in the text themselves there's a lot of commonality and even the stories that are told about these characters but it's very often when it comes to the interpretation of that to the text and putting it into practice that we find serious differences between the I think the interpretation is one of the major factors and I want to get into that but also the translation when people try and translate from one language to another the Bible has the same situation there are some words in one language that you don't find in another language it's difficult right right right right translation is a major challenge especially when it comes to the question of the Koran you know the Koran was written in Arabic according to Islamic belief the Koran is a heavenly book it was brought down from heaven to earth by the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad but it was written down eventually in Arabic was proclaimed in Arabic by the prophet and written down by his followers in in Arabic but of course the great majority many people may not know this either the great majority of Muslims today are not native Arabic speakers really so not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs in fact the majority of Muslims are not evidence. And so they very often they may memorize short elements or chapters of the put on for the sake of prayer but if they want to sit down and study and understand the text to do it in their native language so to translation is just central to the whole experience just to give one example you know this very controversial word that many people have heard jihad and you know it's an ever big word which has its own range of meaning and that range includes not only going out to warfare but also striving and personal striving striving for holiness or virtue and it's difficult to stomach that up with one English word so how do we interpret that then you know the word jihad because a lot of people use that in a very negative way these days that again if it has a whole lot of meanings which meaning do they mean right in what who has the right to who has the authority to establish the authentic meaning of that term net net is a big question that that is at the heart of a debate taking place within the Islamic world within the community of Muslim believers so you know when we when we look at the text just to stick with this example of jihad we find these examples where the Koran seems to be speaking oftentimes of some sort of warfare it speaks of jihad in the path of God It compares those who go out on jihad to those who refused to go out but that is that the truth is that Muslim believers to have the right to reapply that term or understand that term in a different context you know the great majority of Muslims would say this and the word jihad in the Koran in the 7th century in Arabia where the fire on was was proclaimed could have been referring to wars going on at the time but we also have within the Islamic tradition many many mystics and spiritual figures who used the word jihad in a different sense they said well there's something called the greater jihad which is actually this personal struggle for holiness the struggle against evil and think that people find within them and so why can't we use that positive instead of the negative right. I mean the big issue is what we find in the Islamic world is that we have certain currents particularly one strand of Sunni Islam known as the the Fiesta law which says we need to establish Islam today as it was practiced by the 1st followers of the prophet the 1st 3 generations and they not all of them but some of them tend to prioritize their give give authority to the violin or martial understanding of now in the comparison that you did did you compare to the Old Testament or the New Testament or both right to both and even a bit more because when we look at the Koran we find that some of the stories that tell most are not found directly in the Old or New Testament but they're found in Jewish and Christian writings which were composed between the closure of the composition of the Bible and the opening of the composition of the Koran just one very quick anecdote you know Koran tells a story of God commanding all of the angels to bow down before Adam really that's not something we find in the book of Genesis there anywhere in the New Testament but we do find it in early Christian writings after the Bible and then it makes its way into the Koran Oh my gosh you know it again. I know that both the Qur'an and the Bible is said to be inspired by God and I'm not doubting that. But you know man still wrote it and one man writes it it's an interpretation of history you know history if we really go back to what history really was like it could be a lot different than way the history was written right right right and it doesn't make it that it's right or wrong but you know be a little flexible is what I'm sayin. Right well in the case of the Koran Moses serve in the case of the Bible so absolutely you know at least from the Christian perspective Jewish perspective is a bit different but Christian perspective is that God and humanity are jointly authors of the sacred scripture Ok and. So and you know a lot of Christian traditions would say if you're going to interpret the Bible you must know both the time and context in which these books were written and your own time and context in order to do the task of interpretation and application when it comes to the Koran it's a little different because you know many Muslims that hold the traditional view that that Muhammad he actually had no role in the composition of the tech he just heard the words of an angel and he simply repeated them he was like you know the voice memo app on your smartphone just. What used to be tape cassette recorder you know you record we recorded memorized and repeated but there are modern Muslim thinkers you know some of them coming out of Iran but other countries as well who would say that's a simplistic and over simplified version of understanding the process of reformation that Mohammad must have had to rule it simplistic to think that he simply heard words in Arabic as though God speaks there's just this one language in Arabic and just repeated them that he must have had some role in the composition of the Koran and that's that's where it gets me because you know there's so much that has changed I mean look at the Old Testament do we do a lot of what's in the Old Testament these days. You know they had concubines and they had mistresses and they did as slaves in all this God will do that today I mean I thought we will accept all this is part I'm sorry except for the mistresses Yeah that's true that's true yeah you're right you know that's never going to always. But seriously I mean we've changed so many things and we've evolved doesn't doesn't occur man evolved the same way to a certain extent right and in fact the great majority of Islamic the Islamic community would recognize that there are certain elements of the Koran that are no longer relevant for the 21st century so just to give the example one of them that you mention of slavery or on like the Bible speak. So slavery the Koran even speaks of the right that every male Muslim has to marry his slave enough blazed if he so chooses so it's there in the Koran there's a special chronic idiom or expression to refer to them but the great majority of us on the tradition at a certain point says the consensus of Muslim scholars and there's a technical term for that. Has ruled that slavery is no longer applicable that a proper reading the Koran said that that was simply a confession to the time it's not an internal decree that slavery must go on and then use the very extreme groups like ISIS that sort of step in and say no we shouldn't think that way the Koran says it we're going to do it and the reports that ISIS brought actually brought back slavery. So but but that's right even Muslim tradition as in Jewish and Christian tradition the great majority of the community recognizes that not everything in scripture is a put up with the 21st century but for the time the scripture was composed another one would be the treatment of women right in the Old Testament they weren't regarded as very high. In the Bible and I'm sure in the Qur'an it was the same thing right right right so this is a topic of great debate and controversy in the Islamic world and you know the Koran just to use the case of polygamy. The Koran and in chapter 4 verse 3 Gorani is the book with $114.00 chapters known in Arabic a sort of so and sort of for verse 3 there's a verse which seems to recognize the ability of a Muslim man to marry up to 4 women but many Muslim societies have said that again was for the for the time and it was a concession because there were wars that were going on at the time of the Prophet Muhammad and so there are many men who had died and so it was in need at that time for men to marry more than one woman in order to protect them and so in countries like Tunisia and Turkey for example to monogamous societies where polygamy is been outlawed and of course in the West including United States Muslims the Muslim community is generally thriving and there's no large great outcry among Muslims to insist that polygamy must take place in the United States temple is just not there and with the Bible there's a certain amount of politics that was involved in what is in the Bible and what was left out of the Bible because of Constantine. Right so the composition of the of the can was called the Cannon Cannon with c. And 0 and $2.00 and the canon of the Bible is an interesting story that developed over the 1st Christian centuries and there was there were different local churches that were using different books then it was eventually through the authority of the Bishop so they were not not the Emperor directly but through the authority of the bishops that the 27 books of the New Testament canon were more stablish and that was that was a historical process that took place through 3 centuries and of course there are books out there know it sometimes as apocryphal gospels. Which I had never found their way into the New Testament an amazing I always used to say why didn't they just put everything in there and let us decide if they don't do their work or get too long I think yeah well for a listen better than it's long and it's all there instead of you know cherry picking what they want to have in their. Do both the Qur'an and the Bible is there any place in either one that says acceptance of other religions. That's a great great question that's the really important point because it's really returns to the to the task of interpretation if we look at the New Testament for example we actually find that Christ. We don't see him condemning For example the pagan Romans for their polytheism you know there's a beautiful episode in the New Testament with a century and the Christ encounters this attorney and he was his servant. There's the. Encounter with conscious pilot and we don't see Christ decrying his Roman religion or attacking him for his polytheistic beliefs so we actually see in openness and in the figure of Christ a New Testament with the Koran we have different verses in this the challenge for most of interpretation we have some verses which really in fact one in chapter 4 of the Koran again are actually 2 verses in the same chapter which seem to make polytheism an unforgivable sin seems to say that God might forgive other things but he will not forgive polytheism But then you have other verses which seem to say there are groups other than Muslims including Jews and Christians so there's a verse in Chapter 2 repeated in Chapter 5 which seems to say listen if you're a Jew If you're a Christian as long as you believe in the last day you knew to do good works there's no fear of telling you seems to be a euphemism for saying that you too can go to heaven Yeah so yeah and so just you know just to conclude on that point that the Koran has both of those messages and returns to questions of authority within the community as to which of those 2 verses is emphasized an amazing knowledge goes back to who's to who's who's pulling the strings at the time. That you know Christ. That's the other thing to Christ in the Qur'an would basically a prophet versus the Son of God in my correct in that right that's actually right Ok so both believe doesn't make any difference if it's one of the other I mean why are we fighting over something so simple because I think Christ would have said stop. Defamed emphasized love over over war Yeah well you know it. When we look at the Koran just as you said Christ is presented as as a prophet from a theological perspective there are significant differences so for example you know the Christ in the Koran or Jesus of the Koran he's he's not divine and there's other differences too for example the Koran seems to suggest that that Jesus never died but that someone else was crucified in his place so the whole story of the crucifixion is not there in the Koran. So there's some significant differences. But of course there's a lot of commonalities but it really is maybe the the key difference is that Christ in the Koran is a figure that leads up to Mohamad and Chapter $61.00 verse 6 Anyone want to look it up there's a verse there were were Jesus is made to say I am here to predict the coming of Muhammad and so this figure who may be analogous in some ways to John the Baptist in the New Testament predicts Christ Jesus predicts the coming of Muhammad So everything sort of leads up to the figure of Mohammad and there's a lot of controversy over you know how Christians or Jews should look at the figure of. I always my question with the Bible was Did Christ really want to start a new religion period or Christianity he was a Jew I think he wanted reform but I don't think he necessarily wanted to start a new religion what do you think. Right that is a critical question for scholars of early Christianity and when we look at the text of the New Testament we see certain passages in which Jesus theme this wrench or maybe completely challenge the Jewish law so you know when he says that. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath challenging some of the Sabbath Laws when he goes when he not only heals those who are sick but he also claims the power to forgive there's then he seems to be challenging notions of what a prophet might be suggesting might be more than a profit but it's true that the formation of the church takes place at least in the New Testament a narrative mostly within the story of the acts of the Apostles and according just to follow the logic of the Christian tradition you know Christ sent down to the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost and the church is sort of formed within those early days after after Christ and the early New Testament scholars argue about you know whether whether Jesus was something like one scholar has called a marginal Jew or he was really read if he was really a revolutionary figure. Now the issue of Mary Magdalen that's another issue that people are always fighting about in the Bible did they all say was she was you know a prostitute and others say wait a minute no she wasn't she came from a very prominent family had nothing to do with prostitution and that she and and Jesus might have been very close. She might have been that 13th apostle right where there's certainly no is no direct association with Mary Magdalen and the woman caught in adultery which is sometimes imagined to know the famous narrative of a few who has no sin let him cast the 1st stone that there's no connection to that or other passages that speak of prostitutes in the New Testament and so but then there's also a lot of speculation and of course some of your listeners may remember Dan Brown and the Davinci Code and a lot of speculation which is great for selling books but it may be gets a little fantastical in imaginary when it comes to what could be the relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene the truth is that the this is not a gospel it's also the 4th Gospel John's gospel but the 1st 3 Gospels known as synoptic gospels those are really along with the letters of Paul our earliest sources for our knowledge of Jesus and the Apostles and his followers and there's a lot they don't tell us and so a lot is left to speculation and remains open to interpretation may go really wild with that when they have been killed in degradation. What about the Virgin Mary did we well when did they come up with the idea that she would have virgin and that it was an immaculate conception that quite a bit later. Right with the official it's sort of doctrine at least within the Catholic tradition of the Immaculate Conception was a late date to the late 19th century to my understanding that was officially sort of promulgated as dog more doctrine for the Catholic Church but you do find traditions within early Christianity of perpetual virginity as it known you know that not only was she a virgin at the time that she gave birth to Christ but even after afterward that she remained perpetually virgin so that some of those traditions are quite early of course for certain scholars doesn't prove a thing it just means the traditions are really an interesting thing is the bar on seems to agree with the virgin birth which might be surprising to some people who are on you know insist that be an angel indeed came to Mary and proclaim that she would be giving birth to a child whose name will be Christ and Mary is like but how can this be no man has touched me that is the exact words he said and then of course in Arabic so but then the voice of the angel comes back and says when God decrease the things he simply says Be and it is on that point at least the price in the Koran in the New Testament or Christian tradition are in agreement Yeah now what about there and I can't I'm not a scholar so I don't have any of that information but when I visited Israel a few years back I was just fascinated with you know. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the cosmic religion and there's so much that we don't know yet. What do you think. Right so in terms of in terms of the dead the Dead Sea Scrolls they were you know this major find in the 1950 s. That in the story of course is great about how you probably heard the story there about how about a young Palestinian shepherd with a growing rocks and one landed in a cave that had a clay jar and of course that really brought back our date for earliest manuscripts of the Bible you know by almost a 1000 years in some cases manuscripts and we only knew that the earliest ones were run the Year 1180 we now had manuscripts going back to the 1st or 2nd century a.d. So these are really important find with the Koran as well we have a similar situation with an analogous story where it was prepared going on in a roof of a mosque in Yemen the country of Yemen a city with the NAACP in the 1970 s. And someone was sort of knocking at the roof and pieces of parchment sort of falling from the ceiling and that sort of improved our knowledge of the earlier shape of the Koran in terms of other other sects or other other religions or denominations of Christianity I think that's a really important point you raise because many people don't know you know when you go to the Church of the holy Seppo quarter in Jerusalem there's not too many Catholics there and orthodox but there are theory AK Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox in Armenian Orthodox are the many traditions to discover and a great diversity within Christianity you know what I was amazed we went to the church and I was fascinated because it I heard stories that they fight each other all the time for their little safety you know now shalt not touch this area because this is ours and not yours but the other thing and I was and this is so we keep us you know we're all in this very special place here we arguing it doesn't make any difference the other thing that I was fascinated about is how close the 2. Of Christ was to. The place where he was crucified and I said I asked that question course there were some people in the group that I was with or who should never ask that yes I will you know I'm going to answer. And I had a deacon who was just wonderful he said Well think about it back then he was crucified on a Friday he was a Jew So we had to be buried by I guess 6 o'clock whatever the. When it 1st answered by sunset and so it had to be someplace close because they can't take them for miles and miles and miles back then and it just couldn't happen so I said thank you you know just give me an explanation I need some explanation on this stuff but I never could honestly gave a real I could never understand why everybody always fights each other we're all here for a very short period of time and you know we should be getting along together you can believe what you want to believe but you know my gods know better than your god and your god is no better than mine and it is long as you have a belief I don't care what you call God or how you believe God exists does it make any difference in your opinion. Right right and then you have the famous passage in the New Testament of Christ as you know they will know you're Christians for the love you have for one another and then you have these examples of of priests in months fighting each other for a little bit of space you know in recent years it's gotten a little better they did major reconstruction work and the different the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in the different communities their cooperated on it but of course Protestants have no place in the Church of the holy separate at all which is too bad that's what they are. Yeah there is a there's a separate trying that that Protestants are Anglican to be more specific established called the Garden Tomb which you may have visited as well as outside the Damascus gate 'd so yeah it is an interesting and colorful site to visit the church always stoker in Jerusalem generally and I love talking about these kinds of things because I'm curious you know I think the Bible was a very good history book. Given that again interpretation whatever the interpretation was and that it's still man who wrote it could be touched by God which is fine just like you say Mohammad you know put the words down but I just don't see what the big difference is and why there has to be one major religion like ISIS You know it's like it's gotta be you know the Muslim religion why it does I don't know what is the mentality I don't understand the mentality is it because will never understand the mentality right right so what we find in certain strands of Islam but there's a pair of those to it within certain strands of Christianity is this conviction that Islam is the final religion you know according to Islamic teaching these earlier prophets came Adam Kadmon Abraham even before Abraham Noah 'd after Abraham Moses and then Jesus all these prophets came but it was all culminated in Muhammad's preaching that's very. Very critical to the way that certain strands of Islam develop their religious practice and they would say that you know God God did . Creed for this for to be the world's religion it wasn't meant just for the Arabs wasn't meant just for Mohamad and his followers in Mecca it was meant for the entire world so there's this video and you know the problem is most people would say listen if you're as Ellis like that's cool you can be zealous and you can preach your religion that's fine in many Muslims in fact the great majority of Muslims you know they're there zeal is contained within preaching what Muslims call Dawa which missionary work but then you have certain strains of Islam which have risen up mainly in this movement I mentioned before called Fall of his i'm some of the saw the fees not all would say it's legitimate to establish Islamic States by force in order to promulgate or spread Islam that are in your stablished state once you've done that you can spread Islam freely within it and of course many Muslims along with the obvious being on Muslims find that to be to be completely astray and not true to the original message of Islam Well Gabriel as we always went on a time when I have bought a 1000000 other questions to ask I'd love to have you come back again would you I'd be delighted to thank you fantastic it's been a great great eye opener in many ways and keep up the good work because we see we need people like you who says stop it you know look at all this the commonality that we have and you know if we could just get along and not fight we could all progress the way God Christ Muhammad whatever I wanted it's to do thank you so much thank you thank you for the opportunity you bet Gabriel cited Reynolds and the name of the book the Qur'an and the Bible text and commentary fascinating Oh are you still there Gabriel Ok Do you have a website. 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Well I wonder if they're talking about Wall Street is there still a glass ceiling so will it be the creation of a new breed of financial planners that will make a difference well Lauren the t. a Thinks so with over 30 years of financial leadership experience she's working to uncover opportunities for women in financial services she goes into the issues in her book called gender on Wall Street Laura is a former senior financial executive for. Fortune 500 firms and if she doesn't know I don't know who does nice to have you with us Laura thank you great to be here thank you you now 2000 a t. All right. I left feeling are there at least some cracks in that glass ceiling Well we certainly hope so but unfortunately there still is a glass ceiling in the financial boys' club and what we see really in the industry is that at this time only one in 6 by man chill services professionals are women really Yeah well that's what it's not like they got a lift you know big block of steel or something they're using their brain what if you can do the job is an ability what counts Well of course but there are a lot of things that are going on really in charms of challenges gender specific challenges that still exist in a workplace culture when women did not historically you have to understand women did not participate in this industry for a long time and they simply has it but now any industry when you go back far enough gas but finance was really I mean not even just from the standpoint of the financial professional but even in terms of the consumer women just did not participate in money at all so this culture has been really stubborn to change Ok Is it the men that are doing it or women are just not taking the chance of going through the pain of the so really what causes it is this idea of unconscious bias it's very much prevalent in the financial industry and the whole idea I guess I actually was at a women's conference room on Saturday and I told her brittle about a situation where who was the Wall Street executive and kind. Pin people into a corner where they had to realize that it could be the man because the man was dead and people couldn't get the answer they were just dumbfounded with the riddle and I said Well clearly it's a woman and everybody just in their brains had just pictured this man in the suit and so there's an unconscious thought that it must always be a man and when we think that of course if. A logic takes you into believing Well if it must be a man then when a woman is that good choice she's not as good she perhaps if not as confident. It just totally amazes me because I mean I know I know men in the financial world and I know women in the financial world and believe me some of the men don't belong there. And the women do and vice versa there are some the other way too yeah but it's hard it's hard to be a woman in this business and not know what you're doing because you're going to be challenged Oh sure absolutely but but why would the men challenge the same way Well well 1st of all there is this kind of club and it's just assumed that the man knows what he's doing is that that's the whole problem with the unconscious bias they see the man they say oh yeah he belongs here you know he looks like he plays the part they see the woman and she's in conflict with the belief system and so is she really is confident let's test it let's challenge it in their own words either do yes yes and there's also that. Idea of being involved in a double bind where if a one man is a 3rd of the and she's in charge and she's perhaps a little controlling and all of the qualities that allow oftentimes you need to be to be a leader and to be respected in the financial community she's not like because she's not behaving like a woman should be. So a lot of times women are teeter tottering and trying to balance this idea between being respected and being like yeah guys aggressive when a woman's bitchy. And it's like really. And they can say the same words by that but it was amazes me I thought Mary Jane this is not just how men perceive it we've seen studies that even demonstrate that even women hold the sun conscious bias yet and there are a lot of women that are still tied to stereotypes of what a proper behavior is for a woman. Well and you know the big thing they used to bring up is the emotion Well women's too emotional really you know I don't know whether that they're very cold and calculating if you really want to be I always used to say you know you want to win a war put the women on the front line feel well you know what's interesting too though in the financial services every night the there's an evolution going on where individual consumers are now looking for financial advisors financial professionals who will really is listen to them and their needs and understand what their personal goals are and what they're trying to achieve and so they're looking for people with the skills of a competent but also compassionate advisor and women make a great financial advisor Vitus financial planner if they actually start. Participating know we had a fun of female financial planner for quite a few years she then moved out of state so she you know passed this on to a person who is a colleague of hers happens to be a male but he has the same attitude that she had you know what is your lifestyle What do you really want to achieve what are your goals you know on and on and on and on instead of just well no this is what you should do don't tell me what to do you know yeah you know I'll make that decision yeah I think it's changing a lot and it really is an industry that satisfies a lot of needs I mean it's a it's a lucrative business and it's also a profession that can be extremely satisfying and women really can add a lot of value so we want to encourage more women absolutely Now what about the me too movement did that help or hinder boys. Well you know women should never accept that victim mentality or status. We really want to demonstrate that we're fully capable of being successful in financial roles on the basis of merit I just talked about the fact that part of the problem is that people don't see us there in the in the profession and so we want to change the belief system deep down that's what we need to do we need to change people's beliefs on whether we're competent and to the extent that we behave or we. Say that we're victims it's not good now I know that there's been some problems with this whole you know definitely people have been treated badly and one of the things that I try to encourage women you know like there is no shades of gray when somebody approaches you and that's they start using that kind of power play you need to lead you just need to sleep there are other jobs and I don't know what I'm going. He should leave well yeah ideally but a lot of work situations you will find situations where somebody is put putting using some kind of power over you and sometimes it's not even sexual and sometimes you don't have the ability to really fight it so well then that the woman has to be stronger too you've got to put up with some stink to let it happen you can you absolutely can the idea is not to just roll over and be a victim and mile allow it to be of abortion just walks away because you know what the situation like that that's being a victim to. Yes and no at least you're protecting yourself so so one of the problems in terms of the negative components of this need to movement is that you may have heard it I've heard it from men where they fed well you know what maybe we shouldn't take her to lunch with us or we shouldn't allow her to come and join us for drinks after work and that's a problem because one of the reasons why women are not perceived as equals and they aren't part of the team is that they don't a lot of times at times women will choose to stay at work during lunch and just keep their head down and after work you know they're in a hurry to go home maybe they have children at home or whatever and I'm trying to encourage them now you need to go to lunch with the guys you need to go and you need even they might be talking about fishing and football but they also talking about business and you need to hear what they're talking about and you need to build reports that they start seeing you I somebody they can trust me you know the only thing I have a question on that Ok that I remember a time when women were dressing like men because they thought that was what was going to make a difference you know though the suits with the will tie as Never had I thought. Why you know I'm a woman I'll just the way I damn well please you not them why should I have to dress like that not is like a uniform or something they don't wear all the same stuff and it's like you've got to stand up for yourself and who you are and what you are and not be a clone of what everybody else is how do you get a whole head when you're a clone absolutely well so a lot of this book is about is really trying to tell women that you cannot wait for the financial services industry to fix the problem and you really need to take it into your own hands disease your financial career and be consciously engaged and so the book offers a lot of tools and strategies to transcend some of these gender specific challenges there I introduced a start planning method which is. A process that I've created which includes business marketing and financial planning tools there's actually scientific in peer goal research that I used to even create is a method but it's a strategic thing that they did in creating a career that beats your needs got it and you say you know the change has to be a by creating a new culture what kind of culture Well we we want to change the viewpoint that women don't belong and in the cult just the right now that there's a workplace culture that doesn't see a woman as being oh I see it as good as a man so we want to change that where it becomes commonplace that people when they see a woman in the business I think yeah she will unfair she's good she does that she's doing but also know what you're doing and I have the technical skills don't exist x x But just because you're a woman that you can get away with anything either right happens so loosely that's what this is Keith. And for in star is technical skills I do really advocate that you need to under and understand the educational requirements any kind of sort of certifications that might help you stand out and don't. Don't skimp on those things you really need to have those so that you can show your stuff got it so what does the woman began I mean what kind of what kind of education what kind of skills and where did they get them well in terms of technical skills there are a lot of skill schools that you can go to and or certification really you want in finance of course ideally a degree in finance just great a master's or an m.b.a. It's always great there are specific kinds of designations I would say the 3 gold star certifications or anybody that's working as an advisor are are the c.p.a. Which most people know about especially when you're looking for tax advice the c.f.a. Which is. The strong designation for investing and the c s p which is a broad certification but all of those are signals to the public that you've gone through a rigor of education and you've gone through testing and you're also helped to certain ethical standards and continuing education and so forth so technical skills are one thing. I talked to a lot of students professor and I talked a lot of students who are developing the technical skills but then they either falter when they 1st go into the industry they have trouble or they're scared to even go into the industry and so I also try to fill out their skill set with other things some soft skills as well as some strategic skills and it really starts with self-awareness understanding where you want to take your career and being very clear in your own mind. You know I actually spoke to a woman beastly and I talked about it a little bit in my book who was telling me. That she her boss cast her up for a job because he thought he was protecting her or the fact that she had children well not only did she not have children she was not planning on having children that was not something she wanted to pursue but because she was not clear in what she was doing and what she wanted out of her career it was she left it up to her boss to make assumptions we don't want to leave anybody in the position of assuming what's right for us we want to be very clear on what we're trying to do and what our goal is not what about women supporting women. Yeah so unfortunately that continues to still be a little bit of a problem as well and we see it whether it's a female boss a female Pierre or even the male the born it and there's a lot of empirical data that supports this is continuing to be a problem sort of it is the same thing unconscious bias and it's also probably a little bit. So unconscious bias in that you know on behaving the way I'm supposed to behave why are you not behaving the way he you're supposed to behave you need to be over here with us girls why are you out there thinking you're going to lead us so there's that aspect but then there's also the question on scarcity and there's only certain number of positions out there for us women and as women are feeling so you know vulnerable and their confidence is not built up they do wind up not supporting each other and so also another component of my book and another thing that I try to work with women on I wish we had confidence classes I mean specifically confidence training classes for women. When a young girl's in even grammar school yeah oh no I agree 100 percent now you have a thing called the 5th wave of the women's movement what's that wave well so I really believe that women need to participate in all aspects of finance whether it be in making decisions in the home whether it be making decisions in the workplace the community the world most of all of the big decisions that we make have a financial component and to the extent that women don't participate in finance and they say oh no I'll just leave that up to my husband my boy boyfriend my father my boss thinks then they don't participate they're not participating in those large decisions I really think that the understanding of money and the participation in those big decisions is what's going to put us on equal footing with the men that's when we're going to actually be perceived as equal got it now your book of course gender on Wall Street a portion of the proceeds are going to a special place Yes So I've started a scholarship called financially empowering women and it's a scholarship to encourage young women at the University of South Florida to enter into the a career in finance and that's great Ok so let's bottom line this whole thing you've got to have the guts to keep growing number one right exactly as if you don't I don't care how much education or technical skills you have you got it you got to build a thick skin right yes you know and there's a lot of times well they hurt my feelings Welp get over it. Yeah so so part of what up what I'm trying to do with these exercises is really strengthen their resilience good that they can get over it yeah and it's not easy it's not easy I don't know I guess because in the business that I've been in believe me you have to have a thick skin and I'm sure and a lot of people ask me you know what's the bottom line just you got to keep You've got to hang in there don't let them beat you down and that thick skin has to be out there with the bits not they will beat you down. There's always competition there's always going to be a bunch of people behind you think they can do it better than you right but if you're very strategic I need focus on your goals and very important focus on your strengths and try to exploit your strengths every day and that being said you do and you are very very deliberate about the way you work you can succeed and and the price is well worth it not just even for you but for. Presidents that use that as being a role model for other women you know and don't sit on your laurels get off your laurels because the man you've gotta keep learning keep getting better at what you do yes amazing you know it's one of those crazy things yes you know what you're doing in the financial world is fabulous I'm glad you're doing it but this this holds true for women in almost any business sure I do think that finance is so much more important because of how I was explaining how integral it is to the big decisions that are made but but absolutely you know technology and other fields where women are still pushing their way through it absolutely does hold up for that as well you bet now do you have a website sure it's women's money Empowerment Network com or if you don't like that you can go to Lauren Makiya dot com and it'll eventually take you to. If you ever want to dynamite and that's. 8 for for those who want to make sure they spell it right in the book gender on Wall Street I assume it's available every place yes there are some Amazon and it's also you can get your progress McMillan my publisher it's called gender on Wall Street uncovering opportunities for women in financial services well keep beating the drum Laura. We've got a ways to go thank you and thank you for your support and I know absolutely it's just I just don't want women to say well you know just throw up your hands and give up this woman are strong and I think they realize just how strong they are absolutely well thank you so much again keep up the good work thank you but I know Ok That's Laura Muttiah and they t t i a gender on Wall Street uncovering opportunities for women in financial services and believe me you can do the job if you really want to make it happen and that's what it's all takes all actually all about in the meantime as I always say. Loved. 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