so much anger and frustration, the more we learn about the murder of 17-year-old chelsea king, the man accused of killing her her a violent convicted sex offender who served, again, only five years in prison despite a psychiatrist's dire warning, innocent chelsea, out for a run in the park didn't deserve to die. did the system fail her? does someone have her blood on their hands. a fire captain accused of luring young girls for sex, a respected member of the community tried to get a 14-year-old on craig's list. his line, the younger the better. what's more infuriating, even if convicted he might keep his pension, he makes about 240 grand a year. we want to hear from you on these topics. you know the number, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us or join us on facebook or text us at hln tv, just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome once again this is "prime news" i'm mike galanos. the more we dig deeper it is heart breaking to think the 17-year-old may still be alive if the suspect in this horrific crime, a convicted violent sex offender was still behind bars there. se, john gardner. there he was yesterday, pleaded not guilty to charges of rape and murder. chelsea king vanished last thursday. went out for a run at a park near san diego. straight-a student, would have graduated from high school this spring. her parents obviously torn apart. a clip from her dad, brent king, who had a chance to talk to on nbc's "today show." >> one of the nicknames that i always called my daughter, my angel." and she's my angel forever. >> just heartbreaking to hear that. joining me to talk about this, paula bunn bereavement counselor at the -- really helping out the king family, helping chelsea's parents. thanks for being with us. >> sure. >> how is the king family doing? i could not even imagine what they are going through now. >> right. well, they -- it's a very strong family. in the type of work i do, i see a lot of families and i can tell you, this is an exceptional extended family. having spent some time with them over the past five days. i've observed them to be very grounded, they're connected to each other, supportive, sensitive, patient, kind with one another. of course, they are heartbroken. but, as they face one of the worst imaginable circumstances, they are showing a great deal of grace and strength and dignity in all of this. >> paula, where do you begin, as a counselor, trying to help out, where do you begin with a family like this? >> uh-huh. well, you know, it's very uncomfortable and difficult for most of us to witness someone grieving such a profound and tragic loss but it's important to allow that person to feel whatever they feel and to resist the urge to try to jump in and fix it for them somehow. right now, you know, the best we can do for someone in that position is to listen, more than talk. and offer our support, let them know we're there for them, sit with them while they cry, maybe offer them a hug. then as the shock begins to dissipate somewhat, just realize that that person is going to experience a whole wide spectrum of emotions, including anger, sadness, confusion, sometimes guilt. and having a person that they can talk to or other ways of expressing their feelings will be important in the healing process. >> yeah, to listen is to love. looking at pictures, paula, of just the community coming together. how important is that to them or has it been to them this great show of support from the communities near san diego? . >> yes. yes. they are extremely grateful for the response. the community has been affected deeply by this. it's a tight-knit commity and all of us are mourning this loss, even those of us that didn't know chelsea personally. you know, it's just been a ripple of shock and sadness that spread through the community and really created a solidarity as organizations like elizabeth hospice and [ inaudible ] united af and laura revery and others have joined in this tremendous outpouring of love and -- and we've had just thousands of volunteers, as you know, show up. >> paula, before we let you go, has the family seen or witnessed or gotten a feel for some of the anger out there of basically this guy still being out there and, you know we saw the graffiti was painted on the garage door of gardner's mom's house, is the family seeing that, tnessing that? and how is that affecting them? >> well, i don't know how much of that they're seeing. i know they're aware of it. and, you know, anger at this point, anger is -- is an appropriate emotion for us and for them. >> is it best to shield them from that, paula? >> well, i think that our -- our very young children, you know, we want to shield them a bit and protect them from some of this. but, you know, the anger is part of the grieving process. it's just only when it gets disproportionate or displaced that it becomes a prlem. >> paula, thanks again. paula bunn, just tell the family our prayers are with them. we could not imagine what they are going through and just again appreciate what you do and are doing for them. thank you again for your time. >> you're so welcome. >> we so appreciate it. we touched on this, some of the anger out there, we know the house of john gardner, the accused, his mom's house, someone painted graffiti on the garage door, a scuffle broke out outside of her home, we'll talk about that. and just talk about what we're seeing as an injustice here, taking your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln, continuing our conversation, the tragic death of chelsea king and of course the man accused, john gardner, a convicted sex offender so many outraged he was out, should have been behind bars, a court-appointed psychiatrist had recommendsed this guy would be a continued danger to young girls. this stemming from a conviction back in 2000, when he attacked a 13-year-old. he choked her, punched her in the face. this guy was not cured, many would say there is no way he was going to be cured. there is some outrage out there. we know this, at the home of john gardner's mom, someone painted some graffiti on the garage and the quote is chelseas blood is on you, move out, so tensions are running high here. some workers came to paint over that sign. here's what happened, a scuffle, brief scuffle ensued. let's listen. >> i can see the sympathy you have for her. i can see it i your eyes. yeah, you're in this [ bleep ] neighborhood. get out of here. >> step away. >> officer, can you get them to step away from us? >> -- because you're scum sitting there protecting somebody who's killed an innocent girl! >> all right. there it is, again a glimpse of some of the outrage that's out there. not only in the san diego community, really across our nation, we've been taking calls and facebooks and will take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. geneka scasares is with us. just outrage he is out and may not only be involved in her murder but others, as well. >> you are right. as an attorney, mike the first i look at when i see that garage door, besides the emotional impact, the potential jury pool that, is san diego county. they are all looking at that and further down the line whoever represents this defendant will probably cite thats one reason the trial should not happen in san diego county. but, you are right they are looking at other suspects thing that complaint, this felony complaint we've been able to go over it and really, reall digest it now, only two counts but, mike, one goes towards chelsea king, the young woman not yet identified and the other to a candice m., a young woman, 22 years of age jogging in the very same park in december of 2009. she was from colorado. they thought initially it was an attempted robbery. she fended the man that was assaulting her off but he is charged now with candice m. as the alleged victim wi an assault and attempted rape. >> jean, has candice m., has she i.d.'d gardner as her attacker? >> authorities are not saying. first of all she hit him with her elbow and they say a dna swab was taken of that elbow to see if male dna was found on it, it wasn't, only hers. but she's alive and able to i.d. since it's part of a felony complaint, i think you are exactly right, mike, i think she i.d.'d this man as one who attacked her months ago. >> you are surprised the swab did not include his dna? >> no, mike, i'm not. sometimes, you know, you just can't pick that physical evidence but i tell you this, there will be two factors a, physical evidence and more so, as she said, the human intelligence. we have an invidual, a victim who possibly i.d.'d this guy. what you are doing, mike, heightening awareness to the public, publicizing his picture. don't be surprised if people watching your program will say i saw that guy at this time at this place and that's how police will connect the dots. >> jean, we have this case here, obviously looking at him december 27th, possibly am burr dubois, as well and what about a case this past october, do you know anything about that, where a girl was almost abducted? >> yes. yes, i do. >> what's that story. >> it's riverside county actually where the defendant resides, according to the convicted sex offend der webbsite in california. she says she saw pictures of john gardner saying to her family, this is the man, this is him saying he tried to kidnap her at gunpoint. she ran away, he didn't do it but a different factual scenario because everything has similarities, 13, 14-year-old girls, broad daylight near school trying to abduct but haven't seen a weapon at all. >> okay. we'll continue to follow this. jean, steve, thanks so much. a bartender claims she was fired because she got pregnant and her boss told her customers aren't coming in to see sexy bartenders pregnant and bulging out. the boss denies he let her go. now we have discrimination charges. does she have a case? we're going to talk to her and take your calls, as well, 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a woman filing a discrimination claim against a new york topless bar claiming she was fired because she got pregnant. she's t a stripper but a bartender and said she thought it could be trouble when her boss at cafe royale found out claiming he cut her hou, treated her differently than the others when she went online to research discrimination on found out it was hard to prove. one way, get a tape recorder, what she did, took it to work and got an earful. this is part of a recorded conversation with her boss. >> guys don't think -- they're t coming in to see sexy bartenders that are pregnant, that are bulging out. i'm sorry. >> i've been here nine times since august. august. how many other people -- that's once a week. >> each week you are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and more unsexy, unsexy, unsexy, okay, it's more obvious, obvious, obvious that you're pregnant, pregnant, pregnant. >> soon after that conversation, she said her boss let her go, left her name off the schedule. she filed a discrimination claim but the boss says she was never fired. a month later she came back to work as a cashier, paid for the month she was gone but the cashier salary significantly less than as a bartender. before we talk to her we reached out to her employer and here's a statement from his lawyer. here we go. my client declines to comment on pending legal acti except to say he considers ms. paviglianit's allegations are without merit. goes on to say they haven't received the formal complaint but will vigorously defend his client, again from the attorney. now her side, joining us with her attorney jack tuckner. jennifer, did we get that right? >> yep. >> basically you are saying you are demoted? were you ever fired? let's get that on the table first. >> no, he never used the word "fired." i was simply taken off the schedule without pay. >> okay so. you were never fired. let me get your attorney in real quick. jack, is that going to be an issue for you as you fight this on a discrimination fight that she's there, still has employment despite the way she believes she was treated? noirchlt >> no, of course not. she was terminated as a bartend bartender. the reason she's no longer bar tending and making less than half the salary is because she's pregnant, conceded in the tape, mike. >> jennifer, why are you still working there if you were treated like this? >> i needed the money still, still needed to work and support myself. any monies are better than no money i received during the time i was gone. >> are you going to go back there? is it true they saw you have a job waiting for you after maternity leave is up? are you going back. >> i plan on going back to rk. they say my job is held so i don't see why not. >> let's listen to a bit more, jennifer, part of the recorded conversations with the bar's owner i believe dealing with job performance here. let's listen to that. >> i could understand if i wasn't doing my job. and i wasn't doing it well. can you just give me a little [ inaudible ] when you tell me when i'll need to stop working? >> i will let you know because i'm going to be non hess with you, i don't see it much past next week, i don't see it much past next week. >> jennifer, how important was it for you to hear him talk on tape talk about job performance saying it raeeally wasn't an issue? >> that was most important to me, him saying i was not doing a bad job and i was doing every aspect of my job and the only reason that i was being let go was because i was pregnant. i just wanted to know that i was doing a good job. >> okay. did you know, once he talked about job performance, all right, i think i've got something here, i think we can move forward with the discrimination claim. >> well, as first, i just wanted it as leverage. i just wanted to keep my job for as long as i needed to to save up enough money for my maternity leave. i didn't expect it to get this far. >> okay. we're going to take a quick break. more from jennifer, want to hear from you, what do you think? call in, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. welcome back. you know, firefighters are supposed to be our kids' heroes, role models not their sex partners. that's what a cop say nearly happened near las vegas. not just any firefighter. he's a fire captain, martin volwinkle, 55, accused of using craig's list to pick up young girls for sex. they caught him in a parking lot and he was hoping to meet a 14-year-old. think out that, almost four times her age. chime in on this one if you have any thoughts. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. back with us to talk about this lisa bloom, attorney and legal analyst for our sister network, cnn and drew caridas with our affiliate, kntv. what was the add on craig's list all about? >> the alleged ad, he's worked for the clark county fire department for 30 years, fire captain seeking a very young girl and even specified the younger the better, an undercover officer of course here flagged that reply to it, some conversations intensified, explicit material we can't discuss over the airwaves. this man showed up at a parking lot, even offered to bring this girl marijuana. >> wow. a lot to get through there, lisa. let's talk about the sickening correspondences like the younger the better, how damning is that in court against this guy? >> it's very damaging coupled with the fact he clearly thought he was going to have sex with a 14-year-old girl. that number was in the correspondence. he can't claim a young girl meant 18 or 19. he was expecting to get together with a 14-year-old girl and, as the reporter just said, not just for sexual relations which would be a felony in nevada but also to give her marijuana, an additional crime so. he's in a heap of trouble. the good thing about the internet, we talk about per vets over the internet and the ferribfe terrible things they do but the good thing law enforcement can conduct sting operations before they get together with children and hopefully that's what was done in this case. >> john, go ahead. >> caller: how is it going, mike. >> good, john. >> caller: i'd like to say every year it seems one of these firemen get arrested by las vegas metro. and seems nothing -- nothing happens to them and they still receive their benefits. they hang out at the gym, they to the grocery store on city's time and make 150, 250 a year, outrageous. >> not sure about the history of others but let's zero in on him here. drew, another part of this seems outrageous this guy could keep his pension even though accused of doing soming so heinous. is that right? >> a lot of the controversy here and the man on the street i've been talking to people who live in the las vegas valley are outraged over this because according to our retirement system here in southern nevada, there are only two ways people can lose their benefits, lying to receive benefits or killing someone to receive benefits and we did checking. this man apparently makes $230,000 a year, about that. so there's a lot of benefits that have racked up over the years and he may still receive his pension despite all of this. >> lisa, if he's proven guilty that seems so wrong he could do something like this, a trusted -- really a pillar of the community or that's that, he gets to keep the pension? >> he does. the idea is that people have worked all of their lives and they've earned the money for the pension like they earn the money in the bank so unless it's murder or unless there were false statements, they allowed to keep the money it doesn't apply to sex crimes but any felony they commit, retirement money for the security of themselves and their families and they get to keep that money under the law. >> teresa is with us from louisiana. your comment or question? >> caller: yes. i think he should be convicted and i think he should be protected from all children includingand especially his own small children and grandchildren. i do, however, i feel that his pension should not be taken away from him. >> okay. >> caller: i believe in therapy but i also believe in watching them closely. thank you. >> thanks. drew, what i his family situation, is he married, does he have kids? >> we don't exactly know he lives in a gated community here and declined an interview with us through his security guard. we don't even know what his family situation is and the fire dertment does not want to elaborate on that, either. there is a lot of unknown in regards to that. his arraignment is actually set -- in about a half hour in federal court. we'll thereabout a we'll thereabobe there and hope find out more then. >> was there any history. >> no history. he seemed like a good guy, dedicated to serving the public, no criminal record we know of so a shock to his colleagues as well as the community here in southern nevada. >> drew, thanks so much. lisa, i know you are sticking around for this one, a topic we have dealt with a few times. s sexting and kids. what are we going to do to get the kids to understand how serious this is? who's first, who should be taking care of this, parents, teachers, law enforcement? want to hear from you, 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln, kids caug zeksexting, again. this time in the atlanta area. the school says it started with two students, a girl and a boy, both in eighth grade, the girl sentence the inappropriate picture. she was suspended. the boy who received it withdrew from the school but forwarded the photo on to others. police are considering criminal charges. the school is not giving us any of those specific details other than what i laid out for you there. here's a statement from the school. we hope awareness of this situation will prompt parents to have conversations with their children about what is and is not appropriate technology use and about the consequences that can result from poor decision making. makes sense. what do you think? what should be done? call in, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. back with us lisa bloom, legal analyst for our sister network and joining aus, as well, ryan smith. lisa, here we go at the outset i will agree with what the school is saying, it starts at home. i think you would agree we need to tell parents that sex talk or talks we should have shouldn't be just one but have to include this now about this sextinging a what you should and should not be doing with that cell phone. >> absolutely. we've talked to parents you and i mike, over a year about this issue. parents, you need to wake up. my advice, children do not need a camera on their cell phone. they do not need a webcam on their computer because guess what, one in five of them, one in five kids will use that to send naked or seminaked pictures of themselves to another kid. that's not just a knuckle-headed thi thing to do but it is a crime. some kids are being investigated and kids have been convicted of felonies, required to register as sex offenders for doing that kind of thing. why give them this technology? i don't even think they need it but if you are going to give it to them, please make sure they understand the consequences and monitor the technology. >> here's a facebook from la toya writing if parents put their feet down children won't send nasty pics to one another. one point. we've had people come on this show and say don't give them the cell phone with the camera on it. just text and make phone calls with it. cut that part of it out. because, you look at the consequences again, we've talked about it. the picture never comes back. who knows who will see it, could be a sexual predator out there and we've seen, also, the bullying that ensues in a school once that picture gets out, t taunting begins and we've seen teen suicide, as well. ryan, let's get you in on this conversation. what do we do about punishment here? i continuing is a wrong where you get to a felony and registered sex offenders some 14-year-old haunts them and ruining their life. >> unfortunately, it has to be prosecuted as child pornography. i ow it becomes harsh, harsh to say this is going to change the perspective of someone's life, it's happened many times but the problem here is, you talk about telling parents to tell their kids -- to get them phones without cameras and all that stuff. a lot of parents don't have control what their kids are using. look can at the internet kids doing all kinds of things and parents have no idea what's going on. this is a crime. if this kid was 19ears old he would be in prison so we have to -- >> but he's 14. >> the kids are 14 years old, ryan. a big difference because child pornography laws, as you know were designed to protect children from adults and written before this technology was so preservenent never designed to pit one child against another and be so punitive towards our children >> the problem, is we are in a new age. what i mean about that you have situations kids are putting this texts out there and other kids, anthony stencil last month are extorting things from kids because they will be exposed if they don't give them sexual favors or give them money or do other things. this is a whole new generation and to make this stick you have to build in penalties. do we change the laws a little bit. >> we have to. >> but you've got to do something. -- parents is not enough. >> we don't have enough money in this country to do the dna tests sitting in crime labs right now oro th rape kits that need to be done. this to me is an issue of priority. this is a recession. we want to spend money investigating, incarcerating 14-year-olds for doing something knuckle headed instead of second them to their parents where they should be grounded and have the technology taken away is a colossal waste of resources. >> travis from wisconsin, go ahead. >> caller: i was listening in here and i'm a gym teacher at a local high school in madison and i just have to say i have noticed this sexting thing to be more prevalent than ever. it has just been getting out of hand. a line needs to be drawn in the sand. i don't believe you'll be able to take away these kids' phones but need to know the consequences will be dire. >> do you think it should be prosecuted as a felony, should the -- should the judicial system handle this? >> caller: yep. >> you think so? let me throw this out there to you guys. and, lisa, i think you are familiar with judge mike powell in ohio. and he -- here's what he did, he sented, the same thing a boy and girl, i think older but girl sent picture, he forwarded it. 0 hours of community service, they to give up the cell phone for 30 days. i think the boy had house arrest for 30 days and they had to write a paper on the dangers of sexting, if they did all that, their records were expunged. i like that. ryan you are shaking your head. >> you know what, for that today's kid that's nothing, writing a paper, not using a phone. these kids have access to things we don't even know about i'm not trying to be alarmist but i agree with your last caller on the groundworking with kids every day and, lisa, i understand your argument but talking about priorities this gets out of control. there are kids living in fear because a picture was texted about them and they could be exposed to the entire school and we know how kids are at this age, very impressionable, very worried how they may appear to other kids. all kinds of things -- >> there are other remedies for that. >> lisa, 15 seconds i'll let you wrap it up. >> we incarcerate more of o children than any other country in the world right now and having the criminal justice system get involved is not the answer f. somebody is concerned, talk to your parents, to the school, get the kid's camera back and taken away. parents, one more time, they do not need that technology on their phones. they don't need it on their computer. save yourself a lot of heartache. >> guys, we have to leave it there. spirited conversation, ryan, lisa, we appreciate it. coming up, 911 calls released in the death of the sea world trainer. the -- it shows the seriousness, the gravity of the situation with each call. we'll listen to that and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. how about this,t could get worse for toyota finding out some customers who took their cars to get the sticky gas pedal fixed are now complaining, problem is still there. that the repair work did not work. the government is looking into this. what's this mean for toyota? its reputation on the line not to mention millions of lives here. this is a dangerous situation. are these cars safe or not. joining us, again for "making cents" ali velshi from our sister network cnn and author. i did not think you and i would be having this conversation. >> i thought this was over. ten reports of people who had their toyotas recalled and fixed for this runaway problem, this sudden aeleration complaining about it happening again. this is a very, very serious problem if it's true because, remember, mike, we were talking about the fact that some people thought this is an electronic problem and the fix toyota is employing may not work. toyota very clearly at their testimony on congress said not an electronic problem but mechanical problem we're fixing. ten more reports, nothing in terms of the number of camrys out there but a problem if true. >> okay. so, can the head haunchos at toyota in good faith look us in the eye and say we fixed it or not. >> i've got to tell you, mike i've seen the ads in tv and in the newspapers, they are saying they have fixed it. in normal times, mike, i would say toyota is exemplary business. a year ago i would say they say they fixed it, they have fixed it. what has happened is this cloud of doubt has come upon toyota and now when they say it's fixed and we have these we have these complaints, people say is it fixed or isn't it? ten complaints again in the world of cars is very small particularly the camry which is one of the best-selling cars in all of history. but the reality is now with doubt on toyota i just hop they get on this real fast and decide, take those ten cars and look at them a say, was this something more than we thought it was. >> okay, they got to get the fixing and get it right. >> yeah. >> and soon. >> yeah. >> are there -- i'm sure they're coming out with the incentives because they've got to -- >> yes. >> -- they want to draw in, make good on this. try us out we're still toyota. >> yeah, we saw actually earlier this week we saw the sales numbers come out for the month, and toyota has taken a big hit, down about 9%. the reality is while we kept seeing people going back to those toyota dealerships the reality is people were not buying them. and ford has overtaken toyota and general motors as the most popular car in the last mnth because of it. so this is a major problem. they've got to offer those incentives. by the way, you know, mike, toyota has not offered incentives in the past. >> no haven't needed to, right. >> now they're offering you money to buy them. >> ali, we got stuck on toyota. it's a big story. >> yeah. >> got one question in. >> yeah. >> got a tax refund, thinking about settling a debt. that means, what, you owe $10,000. >> your credit does take a hit and yes, i would still advise it. the bottom line is why not get out of that debt so it doesn't actually haunt you forever? the reality is people don't know that when you make minimum payments on credit card debt, it takes you a very, very long time to pay it. so bottom line is, the priority of paying your debt should overcome your credit score concerns so i would do it. >> all right, ali, spirited as always, thanks again, we'll talk soon. coming up 911 calls released after the tragic death at seaworld. right now, so much anger and frustration, the more that we learn about the murder of 17-year-old chelsea king. the man accused of killing her, a violent convicted sex offender, who served only five years in prison, despite a psychiatrist dire warning. innocent chelsea, out for a run in a park. she didn't deserve to die, did our system fail her? does someone have her blood on their hands? and a fire captain accused of luring young girls for sex. trying to get a 14-year-old girl on craigslist. here was his line "the younger the better." and what's more infuriating even if he's convicted the guy can still keep his pension. he makes about $240,000 a year. always love hearing from you, call in, 1-877-tell-hln's the phone number. e-mail us cnn.com/primenews. joins us on facebook or you can text us at hln tv. just start your message with the word "prime" it's your chance to be heard. controversy, opinion, your point of view this is "prime news." welcome, this is hour number two of "prime news." i'm mike galanos. the more we dig deeper into the murder of chelsea king, it's just heartbreaking, to think that this 17-year-old girl may be possibly alive today if the suspect in this horrific crime, a convicted violent sex offender, was still behind bars. there he is, john gardner, and there you see him yesterday, pleading not guilty to charges of rape and murder. chelsea king, vanished last thursday. went for a run in the san diego park. just described as a great girl. a straight-a student. would have graduated from high school this spring. her parents, obviously, torn apart. here's a clip from her dad, who i spoke to at one point, brent king. he appeared on the nbc's "today" show. >> one of the nicknames that i always called my daughter is my angel. she's my angel forever. >> again, it's just heartbreaking to hear that the broken heart of a dad, a mom, a family. we will be talking to paula, a ber evement counselor who's been working with the kings as tay try to get through this but begin with jean casarez "in session" trutv. we're looking at this guy, could very well be possibly involved in the june 27th attack and also wondering was he involved in the disappearance of 14-year-old amber dubois, disappeared a little over a year ago. >> mike, as i was sitting here waiting to go on your show, finally i got a call back from the lead detective on the amber dubois case, lieutenant craig carter from escondido police department. that is the leading investigative agency, escondido, that is san diego county. when he told me is that they are working overtime on the amber dubois case. they consider john gardner a new lead in their case. he said that they have so many pieces of potential evidence that they have already collected. they're now determining what should be tested, what shouldn't? i would have assumed they have tested before. you can always retest things. i asked him if any pieces of amber dubois' clothing were found as part of those pieces of potential evidence? he hummed, he hawed, he said can't comment. i read between the lines on that. that makes me think that possibly they did find some clothing. he said they have over 500 interviews already in the amber dubois case. and i said, what about that person that did that interview with you that said they saw amber with a tall man. remember, john gardner is 6'2". he said, they found that interview, they're going to be reinterviewing several people that already have had interviews. i asked him about gardner living in escondido, because remember the sex offender registry says he's in riverside county, but he was, at least raised for a large part of his life in san diego county. his response was that he knew that john gardner had lived in escondido for two years. but he would not confirm any farther if he was there living at the particular time that amber went missing. popular opinion is that he was. but he says if anything can help solve this amber dubois case that that is what they are working toward and if anybody out there knows things that they've not come forward with before this is the time. >> jean, let's's get everybody up to speed here on how many possible attacks this guy could be involved in. chelsea king, he's facing rape and murder charges there. by just mentioned amber dubois, there was an attack late december. he's been i.d.'d by the victim in that attack as well, correct? >> that's right. >> her name's candice. >> that's right candice emmons. count two of the felony complaint so he's charged with assault leading towards attempted rape of her. she got away, but she's alive. she can testify. >> okay, let's get a call in. keith's with us from texas. keith, go ahead. >> caller: hey, how are you doing? >> hey, great, keith, go ahead. >> caller: as you stated i'm the calling from texas, which has one of the largest penalized institution in the state of course and we have the higher rate of recidivism and one of the reasons they think that the juries are uneducated. if they spent more time to educating, spending more time educating the jurors as too let's say a person is getting seven years and they think that this person going to stay in life for the entire seven years or maybe the entire ten, 15 years and they don't, they make parole. let them out at some point but if the juries were more educated then they would probably give longer sentences for such crimes to people like that and it would hold people in prison longer. you give them a short sentence they will stay a short while. >> keith, throw that to our experts. jean, what do we know about gardner, clear that one up. in 2000, john gardner convicted of attacking a young rl. i believe she was 13 at the time. accused of strangling her, punching her. did a jury have anything to do with the sentence athat time, jean. >> no, this was a plea deal. he pleaded guilty. he pleaded guilty to two counts of lewd and lascivious contact and false imprisonment so an 11-year term turned out know to a six-year term. he actually served five years. and, mike, to answer keith's question, the jury the fact-finder. so they look at the facts, determine guilt or innocence. they do not, though, look at normally the amount of sentence that someone could serve. that up to a judge. >> okay. steve, as you look at this, steve clark joining us now, steve former prosecutor. so many are infuriated, steve, as to what happened here. violent guy, court-appointed psychiatrist says he is a danger. don't let him out. how -- let's get your take on this, steve, as to how this unfolded and here we are today. >> right. that is the key here, mike. that court-appointed psychiatrist that said, i don't recommend this plea bargain. this guy is dangerous because he wasn't amenable to treatment, he wasn't acknowledging that he had done anything wrong and he had brutally sexually assaulted a 13-year-old together so when you couple those things together so that is someone with a high likelihood of recidivism. the initial charges against gardner i believe around 30 years he could have received and whittle that down to six and he only does five, i mean he's only off of parole for a short period of time and only linked to three serious crimes and one could be involved in the death penalty. >> and you know, then people, what about the monitoring? the guy should have had at least a gps on him if you will let him out, that didn't happen as well. we're going to continue this conversation and again we're going to talk with paula boone, working with family, she's a ber evement counselor. get that as well and take your calls 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. we're continuing our conversation, concerning the tragic death of chelsea king. and also we're talking about the man accused, accused of rape and murder, john gardner. why was he out on the streets? that's the question we all want answered. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. debbie's with us from west virgin virginia. hi, debbie, your thoughts? debbie, you with us? debbie? no, debbie's gone. let's go back to steve clark here. steve, i know i think that debbie wanted to hit on the monitoring aspect of this. why's a guy like that not monitored? fitted with a gps, at the very least? >> that's a great point, mike. and he should be, and we're catching up with these guys. now a statute called the sexually violent predator constitute here in california, allow for a lifetime monitoring, lifetime in a mental institution. you don't let these people back on the street until they've demonstrated that they've been rehabilitated, that they've gone to counseling. you don't just sit in the jail and get out. that was the biggest problem here, mike, is that that this guy never acknowledged what he did was wrong initially, and why would you give him the benefit of a down the of a low sentence if he's not willing to show remorse and get treatment? that was putting a loaded gun out on the street. >> yeah. >> and now you've got three new cases. >> yeah, and the court-appointed psycatrist, to your point, steve, he said he was a poor candidate for any kind of rehabilitation. and you said it, he didn't even acknowledge what he did was wrong. i want to bring in paula bunne now, bereavement counselor working with the king family. paul athanks again for being with us. >> sure. >> paula, we talk about it and obviously we want fixes done but on the other side there is nothing that can be fixed for the king family. how are they dealing with this tragedy? >> they're actually a very strong family. i see a lot of families in the work that i do, and i can tell you, this family is exceptional. they're very wl grounded and very supportive of one another. and although they are -- they are so heartbroken, facing the worst imaginable circumstances, they're holding up. and handling this with grace and strength and dignity. they're doing well. >> yeah, you know, i had a chance to talk to the father, brandt, and at time we talked to him we didn't know but it was not looking good and there was a strength even then. >> yeah. >> but there still has to be that realization of this nightmare that you never thought you'd have to live through. >> that's right. >> how do you begin to work with them? how do you begin to help them, paula? >> yeah, well, i think it's hard for any of us, even a professional, to witness such profound grief and loss. but it's important to resist the urge, as you say, to try to fix it. and the most important thing we can do right now is to listen more than we talk. to offer our support. to simply sit with them. to cry with them at times. and offer a hug. but there's -- they're still in shock. and eventually that shock is going to give way to a wide spectrum of emotions. and then it's important to just continue to talk to express those feelings and it's part of the healing process to get it out and talk about it. >> all right, well, paula, thank you, again. please send our thoughts and prayers to the king family. again, they've been so brave and so strong as they go through this. and thank you for all that you do, by the way, paula. appreciate your time. steve, jean, thanks as well. coming up, a bartender claims she was let go because she got pregnant. says the boss told her customers, are not coming in to see sexy bar tenders that are pregnant and bulging out. that's a quote here from the boss. this is a gentleman's club, by the way. so, discrimination lawsuit's on the way. does she have a case? welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a woman's filing a discrimination claim against a new york topless bar. jennifer paviglianiti claims she was fired because she got pregnant and now she's not a stripper but she's a bartender. now she said she thought it could be trouble when her boss at cafe royale found out. she claims he cut back her hours, treated her differently than the other girls and that's when jennifer went online to research discrination on found out it was hard to prove. one way, get a tape recorder, what she did, took it to work and got an earful. listen to part of this. this is part of a recorded conversation with her boss. >> guys don't think -- they're not coming in to see sexy bartenders that are pregnant, that are bulging out. i'm sorry. >> i've been here nine times since august. >> since augt. >> august. how many other people -- that's once a week. >> jen, jen -- >> that's each week. each week you're getting bigger and bigger and bigger and more unsexy, unsexy, unsexy. okay? it's more obvious, obvious, obvious that you're pregnant, pregnant, pregnant. >> soon after that conversation, the bartender says, her boss, john doxey let her go, left her name off of the schedule. she filed a discrimination claim but the boss says she was never fired. a month later she came back to work as a cashier, paid for the month she was gone but the cashier salary significantly less than what she was making as a bartender. before we talked to her we reached out to her employer, doxey and here's a statement from his lawyer. here we go. he goes to say to say, "they have not received the formal complaint but will vigorously defend his client." again that is the attorney for jennifer's boss, doxey. joining me now is jennifer paviglianiti and jack tuckner. jennifer, did we get that right? >> caller: yep. >> basically you're saying were you ever demoted? were you fired, get that on the table first? >> caller: no, he never used the word "fired." i was simply taken off of the schedule without pay >> okay so. you were never fired. let me get your attorney in real quick. jack, is that going to be an issue for you as you fight this on a discrimnation front that on a discrimination fight that she's there, still has employment despite the way she believes she was treated? >> no, of course not. she was terminated as a bartender. that was the job that she was hired to do and that's the job that she did an outstanding manner for the entire time that she worked at these bars. and the reason that she's no longer bartending and making less than half the salary is because she's pregnant and that's conceded in this corroborated audiotape, mike. >> jennifer, why are you still working there if you we treated like this? >> caller: i needed the money still. i still needed to work, i needed to support myself. any monies are better than no money i received during the time i was gone. >> are you going to go back there? is it true they saw you have a job waiting for you after maternity leave wraps up? are you going too back? >> caller: i plan on going back to work. they say my job is held so i don't see why not. >> let's listen to a bit more, jennifer, part of the recorded conversations with the bar's owner and i believe it's dealing with job performance here. let's listen to that. >> i could understand if i wasn't dng my job. and i wasn't doing it well. can you just give me a little notice when you tell me i need to stop working? >> i will let you know because i'm going to be honest with you , you know, i don't see it much past next week. i don't see it much past next week. >> jennifer, how important was it for you to hear him talk on tape talk about job performance saying it really wasn't an issue? >> caller: that was my most -- that was the most important to me, him saying that i was not doing a bad job and that i was doing every aspect of my job and the only reason that i was being let go was because i was pregnant. i just wanted to know that i was doing a good job. >> okay. did you know, once he talked about job performance, all right, i think i've got something here, i think we can move forward with the discrimination claim? >> caller: well, as first, i just wanted it as leverage. i just wanted to keep my job for as long as i needed to to save up enough money for my maternity leave. i didn't expect it to get this far. >> okay. we're going to take a quick break. more from jennifer, want to hear from you, what do you think? 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