an urgest report just released today in the casey anthony case. among hundreds of pages of documents, we find this bombshell. investigators did not find any blood in the trunk of her car. but they did find traces of vaporized chloroform, and evidence of human decomposition, not to mention that horrific smell of death. no blood. what's the prosecution going to do with this. is this meat on the bones for the defense. plus this, meet the nurse of the year. although one problem here, she's not a nurse. this lady gave injections, medical advice, threw herself a nurse of the year party, boss is the keynote speaker. nurse betty is now in trouble facing some serious prison time. love hearing from you. we'll take your calls on these topics, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews. or text us, start the message with the word prime. it's your chance to be heard. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome. this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. a revealing report just released in the casey anthony case. would you know, her phone records show a year ago, no calls, no texts to a zenaida gonzalez, the alleged babysitter that she accused of taking little caylee. plus this bombshell found among the more than 1,000 pages of documents. investigators did not find blood in the trunk of casey's car. but what about the evidence of human decomposition that turned up. and the vaporized chloroform. we love hearing from you. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, steve rogers, detective lieutenant for the nutley new jersey police department. also former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force. also joining us, attorney ann bremner, mike eiglarsh, and back with us again in orlando, reporter marva. marva's been on this since day one. marva, give us the lay of the land. what evidence was released today? >> well, there were pictures of the scene where caylee's body was found. there was a 3-d movie there. there was also a detailed list of everything that was found in krasy's car. lots and lots of trash. in a bag in her trunk. as you mentioned already, there was that bombshell, as you say, about the blood, the fact that there was no blood found in her trunk, but there was a hair found there that indicated it had come from a decomposed body. there was also the air test showed decomposition. and there was a heavy concentration of vaporized chloroform found there as well. >> a lot for us to talk about. marva, thanks for setting the table for us. i wanted to bring in steve rogers. let's hit on no blood in the trunk. how important is that to you as an investigator? >> well, it would have been very important if they found blood. but not that very important in this particular case, because we have, as you said, the absence of phone calls to the person she's accused of committing this act. we have trace evidence of hair fibers and decomposition of the body. so it could have been a good thing for the police, but you know what, they're doing a great job. i think we're okay with it. >> mike eiglarsh, you're a defense attorney, no blood in the trunk. is that something you can run with? >> absolutely. to the average person it doesn't mean anything. but to someone who has a dream team of experts, i'm predicting right now, mark it, mike, during the trial, their experts are going to say, if the body was killed in the manner that they're alleging, then there would have been blood. blood even in some type of bag would have leaked through and it would have been in the trunk. obviously she wasn't in the trunk. that's what the experts are going to say. >> do you concur with that? i mean, let's say she did it, casey, and put caylee in a bag, would blood leak through? >> well, i'm not too sure about that. i mean, i've been on cases where there have been, you know, bodies in places, wrapped in plastic and they haven't leaked through because of the time factor. >> no one's saying it's plastic. the question should have been from you, sir, what type of bag. if it's not a plastic bag, and no one's saying it's a plastic bag, a cloth bag, would have, according to the experts, would have leaked through. >> you're saying, you're getting into particulars there. let's bring in ann. ann, this is from the orange county investigator saying i'm a high-profile vehicle death/decomposition is present. says, i did use blue star in the trunk to detect any blood which was negative. ann, we're back to the point that a decomposing body was in that car. >> absolutely. the thing in this case, blood or no blood, the fact is, this is huge. decomposing body in the car, all the evidence. justice may be blind, but she has great listening devices. think of all the things that casey anthony said and what she didn't say, not texting, et cetera. not saying anything about her daughter at a very young age, a baby being gone for 31 days. no blood in the car. i say it is really meaningless in this case with the overwhelming evidence. >> marva, let's take it back, and refresh our memory, wasn't there an exchange, somewhat of a battle, casey keeping her father, george anthony, away from that very car? >> that's right. he wanted to go get something out of the car and look in, and she tried very hard to keep him out, and did keep him out of the car that day. >> let's get a call in. charlie is with us in texas. charlie, go ahead. >> caller: thank you. no blood being in the back of casey's car, circumstantial evidence says the baby was triple-bagged. >> mark, that gets back to your point, obviously. our caller very astute. we don't noe know. we're really speculating on little caylee being in a bag. sad to think about when we talk about the death of a 2-year-old girl. but let's get back to evidence here, guys. and george anthony himself, the father of casey, when this -- early on in this investigation, was very open with investigators when they asked him, what did you see? what did you smell in that vehicle? here's george, again, talking openly to investigators. get back to steve rogers. steve, former law enforcement saying that. he may have changed his tune afterwards, talking about it being rotting pizza. but when former law enforcement says that right out of gate, that's pretty damning, isn't it? >> it sure is. he's trying to cover his tracks, or somebody's tracks. that blood is a small piece of a big puzzle that they're putting together. >> when we come back, we'll take more of your phone calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. we're also going to take a look at phone records from casey. how about this, no calls to a zenaida gonzalez, the person you say took your little girl. curious to say the least. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation, the latest in the casey anthony case. we know in evidence, no blood found in the trunch of the car. but we do have evidence of human decomposition. traces of chloroform. we have our experts standing by. look at that cute little girl. gosh, that's heartbreaking. playing hide and seek with the sippy cup. breaks your heart to see that. traces of chloroform. ginger is with us from arkansas. ginger, go ahead. >> caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. >> yeah. >> caller: i was curious about there being no blood found in the trunk. with this child, is that really that rare? because of -- if her mother used chloroform to kill the little girl, with no manual strangulation or any kind of physical trauma to the body? would it be so, you know, i mean, would they expect to find blood still? or just from the decomposition? >> we'll ask steve rogers that. steve, if that, if chloroform is in the midst here, would you have blood? >> no. you wouldn't expect that, no. >> didn't think so. >> that's a big if. let me just say, assumes facts not in evidence. no one knows. i've been following this case with you for a long time now. we don't know how this happened. we have no idea. >> and we have speculated on the chloroform. another caller wants in on that very topic. tony, your question? >> caller: this is from a person who doesn't know anything. but my assumption from watching this whole case is that she chloroformed the daughter because evidently she wanted to go out and party. it went wrong. the child died. and she could have manned up and got a manslaughter if she would have told the truth. but now she's going to get murder one because of all the deceit and everything else going on with it. >> tony, sounds like you know a little something there. tony with a pretty educated opinion. let's get anne bremner in on this. anne, what do we need to ferret out if that chloroform theory is really the way things went down. there were computer searches for chloroform. and at the time there was speculation that that's something, you know, somebody -- this is, again, speculation -- but somebody wanted to go out and party and they couldn't find a babysitter. they chloroformed the child to knock them out to party it up a little bit. >> the facts fit in the circumstantial evidence. assumes facts not in evidence. we may hear forensically that you wouldn't expect to have blood here. in fact, this was a reckless homicide where she chloroformed her child. and it went awry. so basically wa we have is a theory that fits. the facts fit. and the forensic evidence sure seems to fit the original theory. >> guys, i want to move -- real quick. >> very quickly, tony makes a very interesting point. if they all feel it's manslaughter, and both sides only want first-degree murder and don't ask for lessers, she could potentially, theoretically, walk if they all feel, you know what, it's develop not first. it could be manslaughter, but that's not on the table. >> anne -- all right. go ahead, anne. >> i was going to say, like a suicide, but the fact is you give lessers as a prosecutor, so that doesn't happen. i would assume they would do that under these facts. we'll have to see. >> but they don't know. >> i agree. >> i think i need a gavel. >> you do. >> a couple of things. phone records, mark, let's hit on that one. casey gets out of jail. caylee, zenaida gonzalez. >> shocker, mike. what a shocker. i thought for sure there would be a zenaida. this whole thing about ze nooda, her parents are very detailed about the existence of what zanny the nanny, maybe not zenaida gonzalez who is suing her, but another zanny the nanny. they have specific details of what a that person allegedly looked like. maybe they can move on proving that. but no surprise with the no calls. >> one last thing that is just heartbreaking when you see there's a -- investigators bought a replica t-shirt of what little caylee, what investigators think that she was wearing when she died. it's a pink t-shirt, and it says, there it is. "big trouble comes in small packages." it takes us back to square one. and we see the video and saw it just a moment ago, a little 2-year-old with a sippy cup. that's what's at the heart of it, as many questions as we have, we always come back to that. guys, thanks so much. coming up, a horrific accident. a mother driving the wrong way, kills herself, other adults, little kids. we thought we had it solved. police had said that her blood alcohol was .19. pot in her system. her husband says no way. he's never even seen her drunk. we'll break down this theory and take your calls. welcome back. what a tragedy. police in new york said a woman went the wrong way on a highway, ran head-on into an suv. now eight people are dead, including that driver, diane schuler. we've heard basically she was drunk. system, broken vodka bottle in her car. but her family's saying no way, not the case here. she was not a drunk. joining me to talk about, as we get to the bottom of it, steve rogers, former fbi joint terrific task force. from the nutley new jersey police department. anne bremner, former prosecutor. before we go forward, let's listen to the family's attorney laying out some medical issues that could be at the root cause of this. let's listen. >> a, she was diabetic, b, she had a bump on her leg which was traveling towards her brain that might or might not have been an embolism. she did not go to doctors. and she had an abscess which was more than seven weeks old. >> okay. i've got to go with steve. steve rogers. you're an investigator. we've got toxicology saying blood alcohol .19. how do those factors fit into this, steve? what are you seeing here? >> look, obviously there was alcohol in there. that proves, had she lived, she would have been prosecuted probably for vehicular homicide. >> so you're seeing -- those medical issues would not factor into the blood alcohol reading the toxicology came with, right? >> absolutely. >> anne, let's delve into the different details. investigators say nine people talked to diane schuler as she left the campground before the drive. no one smelled alcohol, pot, nothing. what do we do with that? >> the fact of the matter is, it's vodka, and you don't smell it as much, and it's a favorite of alcoholics who want to be stealth. it's not like she's on skid row. she's a self-drinker potentially. but there was intervening time. circumstantial evidence, of course, the evidence, the vodka bottle in the car and the forensics. it's alcohol, it's marijuana. a bump going up her leg going toward her brain? the fact that diabetes resulting in these test results? i've seen this in my cases, they say i wasn't drunk, it was ethyl alcohol at the scene, diabetes. it wasn't true. she was drunk. it was a tragedy. one more thing, in the press conference he said it's something else when it is when it is. drinking and driving, drugs and driving kills. >> let's hear her husband. this is daniel schuler, again, stating his case that he doesn't believe his wife was a drunk, never saw her drunk. let's give it a listen. >> i go to bed every night knowing and listen to this, i go to bed every night knowing my heart is clear. she did not drink. she's not an alcoholic. listen to all that. she is not an alcoholic. my heart is resting every night when i go to bed. something medically had to happen. >> medically, i believe the family lawyer also speculated it could have been a stroke. anne, what do you see here, a family in denial? >> absolutely. the thing about it could have been a stroke, it would have, could have, should have. the more they explain it, the less i understand it. it is what it is, don't make excuses. the fact is, lives are lives. young lives, they'll never see their futures simply because of what she did, and has to be looked at right now as what it is. no excuses. no excuses for anybody that does this. but this case, horrific. >> mike, can i add one thing? >> yeah, go ahead. >> in the course of my career, i've seen so many people like this, family members in denial. and as anne just said, it is what it is. it's sad. >> it is sad. you know, let's say, this is a husband who's lost a daughter and his wife. so for him to say this, i mean, that's not -- as you're talking about, steve, that's not out of the ordinary. i want to welcome in dr. more ron ne, toxicologist and medical examiner. i'm not sure how much of our conversation you've heard. but we know blood alcohol on this woman, .19. pot found in her system. also, more alcohol. it hadn't even been metabolized yet. yet we've got a lawyer saying, tooth abscess, diabetes, lump on her leg that was traveling in her system. is there any way those factors factor into there? >> everything comes down to this. the amount of alcohol and the amount of cannabis was for being having poor reaction time and making poor judgments. these are not the kind of things you want to have, even if you're healthy. >> okay. guys, let's take a quick break on this, and we'll take some of your calls. folks out there have any thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. so more on that coming up. also this story. and this one's going to get you. we have the nurse of the year in connecticut. 2008 nurse of the year. there she is, nurse betty. treated patients, gave injections, gave medical advice. that's wonderful. we appreciate your service. bad thing is, she's not even a nurse. somebody was getting some painful injections and said, hey, wait a minute, something's up here. thankfully she was caught. 111111 welcome back to "prime news." we're going to meet the nurse of the year. who really wasn't a nurse. oh, yeah, she treated patients in a doctor's office, gave injections, pills, medical advice. people trusted this woman. well, now she's facing felony charges, and years behind bars. we'll hit that one and take your calls on that at 1-877-tell-hln. first this, though. we continue to follow it. disturbing new details on george sodini, the sick man who killed three women at a gym outside pittsburgh. wounded nine others before shooting himself. we know one of the possible motives, he hated women. yet here he is videotaped at a dating seminar in l.a. the guy you saw there briefly, that's the author, art steele, who does most the talking there. there you see, that's the back of the head, that's george sodini interacting with these young girls who are models, actresses. the goal in all this, to try and help a guy like george sodini find out how women tick. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. and joining us now, abbi taten, with our sister network, cnn. you talked to one of the women who interacted with george sodini? >> she was one of the women who was working this dating seminar in l.a. last year. first things first, she really remembered george sodini, but she was at pains to say not because he was mean or stood out in a bad way, but that he was there for self-improvement. but she said he was very, very quiet. very studious. the most studious man in the room of about 20 men attending this dating seminar. she said he took copious notes all the way through. she said he was very nervous as well. she pointed out that wasn't abnormal. a lot of the men in the room were there because they were nervous around women. they wanted to know how to interact with women. but she said other men loosened up over the three days that she was there, and sodini just never did. >> so he remained nervous, on edge around the actresses, the whole time. can you tell us anything else about the seminar? did i describe it correctly there, three days, eight hours a day? >> one of the things that stand out about it, george sodini was in los angeles. spend time and money doing. videos that he made himself, that he made as kind of homework for the seminar. he uploaded them to youtube. one of them is like a self-guided tour around his house. he's saying things like, look at my house, i think it's nice. i think women would like this. that was made as a homework exercise for that seminar. so the woman who looked at it could go online and comment on what they saw. give him some pointers on how to make his house nicer for women. at some point he was really trying to do this. but this was all, you know, a little while ago, a year, year and a half ago, something happened after that. >> okay. so since you mentioned it, abbi, i believe we have that clip. this is, again, george sodini, kind of, as abbi said, giving us a tour of his house. as he's talking, he's hoping it's going to impress a woman some day. let's listen. >> two-inch. my computer. let me pan out a little bit. computer is connected to the stereo, which i listen to my mp3s and everything else. pan to the other side, speakers on each side are large. they double as end tables. okay, couch and chair. they match. the woman will be really impressed. come over here. there's some reading material that we're all familiar with. come out here through the dining room. i just bought this. >> quick note, the reading material he's talking about, there's a book by the guy that we saw conducting the seminar, don steele who wrote a book about older men trying to date younger women. abbi, do we know anything about the time line? had he concocted this death mission prior to going to this seminar? or do we know? >> this is what we know. the seminar in los angeles, early part of 2008. that youtube video was made a couple of weeks afterwards. like i said, the homework assignment. a couple of months after that, around june, he put up another summer. diaries that we've seen at this point. they started in november of last year. and they already started talking in november of last year about all his plans for this attack. so it seems that something was going on. something was progressing throughout 2008. perhaps that he got more frustrated that it wasn't working. >> exactly. let's pick up on that point with stacey kaiser, our psychotherapist. stacey, it just seems like his whole world was wrapped around whether or not he could get a girl again. and if not, we know the end result. is that what you're seeing here? >> that is what i'm seeing. he clearly did not have relationships with his family is what i'm reading. he didn't have a lot of friends. he was really socially isolated. so i think this was his sort of master plan, if he could find a partner, then he could be happy. and that just didn't seem to happen. >> does it make sense to you, abbi, that a guy that had this in the back of his head at some point would go to this self-help seminar to try and learn how to date, younger women, i think specifically there in that case. >> yeah, it seemed he had two forces going on. at one point he's making this monologue video, this is what i'm going to do to improve myself. he writes a few months later, back in the summer i was already thinking about this. well, that was the same time he was making this youtube video. so there's something very confused, something disturbingly wrong about what he was writing and producing at this time. >> exactly. we have to leave it there. abbi, stacy, we appreciate it. coming up, we want to hear from you on this one. it's frightening, let's face it. somewhat humorous. nurse of the year, who's not really a nurse at all. but she's administering medications and giving advice to patients in need. don't we have background checks anymore? rough stories. today, one that's going to remind you, there's a lot of positive in the world. centers around a program that lives by the motto, neighbors helping neighbors. here's prime news correspondent richelle carey with our weekly what matters segment. >> a hand up instead of a hand out. a program in atlanta is giving homeless men and women a second chance. it helps people with a home-cooked meal, a warm smile and the skills to help them move back into the work force. tony harris from our sister network cnn recently paid a visit to find out how many people are going from poor to productive. >> reporter: earnest butler is a hurricane katrina evacuee. he came to atlanta with no job, no possessions, and no family. but because of samaritan house he was able to find a home and help at cafe 458. >> cafe 458 is a special place. we help many women who are unable to work because of disabilities. we offer a great meal that's cooked in a restaurant environment, unlike a soup kitchen. what has this place meant to you? >> it's meant a great deal to me. they accepted me when i walked through that door. i walked through with shorts on, a striped shirt. i wore those clothes for five days without a bath. and they skep accepted me every day just that way. i started slowly pulling myself together. >> reporter: cafe 458 is just one of the programs samaritan house uses to help the homeless transition back into the work force. while the cafe satisfies their hunger, the edge program nur turs their job search with a computer lab, clothing, storage for their belongings, showers, and laundry facilities. in the meantime, there's the clean street team, which provides samaritan house clients with temporary janitorial jobs, until they can find full-time work. >> samaritan house is a chance to get back into the world. >> reporter: two and a half years ago, richard taylor was homeless and living under a bridge. and now taylor is a clean streak team leader, managing five other workers. >> it gave me some responsibilities. and i'm just thankful for this place. this place helped save my life. >> if people watching spend some real time with homeless people, what would they say? >> they would see that persons that are homeless are no different than they are. the fact is, they're homeless because of a situation. but it's only a temporary situation. we're able to make a difference. >> cafe 458 also has a sunday brunch open to the public. the proceeds support the program's samaritan house. for more information visit our website at www.samhouse.org. for where more of "what matters" logon to cnn.com/what matters. richelle, thanks for that. we feel good about that. not so much about this. how about a nurse who threw her own self a party for nurse of the year. she's not a nurse at all. she's giving poor people out there who need help advice, pills, injections? i mean, come on, that scares the you-know-what out of all of us. welcome back. meet nurse betty, nurse of the year 2008. we appreciate her service, don't we? not so much. she's not even a nurse. here she is, betty lickton stein, police in norwalk, connecticut, say she worked as an rn, gave people injections, medicine, medical advice. but cops say she's a poser. never been licensed. police say she also paid more than $2,000 of her own money for a dinner honoring herself as a nurse of the year hosted by the connecticut nursing association. which doesn't even exist. by the way, we did call the doctor's office that she worked for, they're not commenting. take your calls on this. we want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. unbelievable story. joining us to talk about it, len besthof, a reporter for prime news affiliate wfsb. anne bremner, defense attorney, former prosecutor. all right. len, help us out here. first off, how long was she a nurse, working, what, at a pain, neurology center, is that right? >> that's right. it was the pain and neurology center for dr. gerald weiss in norwalk, connecticut, on east avenue. and she was there for about two years before this whole thing started to unravel. >> two years? did anybody get injured because of her -- come on, she didn't even know what she was doing. >> yeah, it was something like that, mike. basically what happened was that there were a number of patients who said that the injections she was giving were very painful. supposedly when you use that needle, you're supposed to do it very slowly, and she was doing it very quickly. and someone eventually made a complaint in march of this year to the department of health here in connecticut, and that's sort of what got the ball rolling. >> when was she finally arrested then? go ahead, len. >> she was arrested in may on a different charge, actually, for forging a prescription. she was trying to get ox i could doan. she was arrested just in the last few days in this recent case. >> do we have dr. william mo ron ne with us? good to have you back, doctor. okay. once you kind of get a heads-up in march, aren't there background checks? let's back track to the beginning when she was hired two years ago. don't we do background checks on our registered nurses? >> here's what you really want to do. as a doctor, you look at nurses as your partners. and if you hire another doctor, you're going to look for a copy of a diploma, a copy of a license, a copy of special training, and then you can go to the state website and verify that they have a license, a board of licensure for the specific state. and other things, too, you ask them to do a drug test and physical. >> ann, how much trouble is this lady in? >> she's in a world of hurt. think about usually its eve just a nursing board that regulates nurses. but she's not a nurse. so you're looking into all the criminal laws. and you're looking at forgery, felony, impersonation. >> yeah. horrible. >> imagine being someone who is in need or in pain and this is the lady who is administering your injections there. let's get back to our reporter, len. so what finally precipitated the arrest, len? >> well, basically this person complained, and the state gave her a cease and desist order. and the state's attorney's office investigated all these claims that she had said she was a nurse of the year, and actually threw this huge banquet for herself, paid for it herself. that's when they decided they needed to cuff her. >> how about that, len. hopefully we get our psychotherapist in on this. she actually throws herself a party as nurse of the year. and gets an award from a non-existent organization. is that all right, len? that's the correct fact here, right? >> that is all correct. in fact, we were at the norwalk facility. white. there's even her check. copy of her check that she paid for the whole thing. >> and her boss was, what, the guest speaker? and he at that point had no idea that this was a sham? >> that's what he has told police, and that's what they're saying in this affidavit. >> wow. much more on this coming up after the break. more on our nurse of the year. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. now this, though. with the nation's highest murder rate and one of the highest crime rates, snrls still struggling after hurricane katrina. the violence is sweeping up children as well. two murders this year involved kids who were just 14. here's a look at how this cnn's hero is using music to motivate kids. >> music's always been with me. i love to play with two drumsticks in my hand. music is a legacy in new orleans is really dying fast. life after katrina is really hard for kids. they have violence, the drug life. i'm just tired of it. my aim is to get kids off the streets. my name is derrick tabb and i start aid free music education program for the kids of new orleans. >> let's go. horns up. >> we do more than just teach music. we offer transportation. instruments. tutoring. we call it the no excuse policy. you don't have no excuse why you're not here. you don't have to have any experience. >> press down on it just like that. >> we meet five days a week year-round. we're constantly learning something new. and that's what keep the kids coming back every day. >> i was getting in trouble. now when i'm here i practice. when i'm at home, i practice. it changed my life. >> i love seeing kids just having fun. ♪ >> teaching these kids this culture, i don't see it as saving lives. i'm giving life. a whole different life of music. >> and you can find out more about derrick and any of our other heroes online. cnn.com/heroes. that's the place to go. and be sure to keep an eye out. in just a few weeks we'll be announcing the top ten cnn heroes of 2009. meantime, more coming up on our nurse of the year. we've got some phone calls lined up. what are your feelings about this? does this scare you? i mean, we look to our nurses for help. we don't want to be part of their sham as nurse of the year. an urgent report just released today in the casey anthony case. among hundreds of pages of documents we find this bombshell. investigators did not find any blood in the trunk of her car. but they did find traces of vaporized chloroform and evidence of human decomposition, not to mention that horrific smell of death. but no blood. what's the prosecution going to do with this? is this meat on the bones for the defense? we'll talk about it. plus this -- meet the nurse of the year. one problem here. she's not a nurse. this lady gave injections, medical device, threw herself a nurse of the year party, boss is the keynote speaker. well, nurse betty's now in some trouble, facing some serious prison time. love hearing from you. we'll take your calls on these topics. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. e-mail us. cnn.com/primenews. or you can text us at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your point of view. this is "prime news." welcome. this is "prime news." released in the casey anthony case. wouldn't you know, her phone records show a year ago, no calls, no texts to a zenaida gonzalez, the alleged babysitter that she accused of taking little caylee. plus this bombshell found among the more than 1,000 pages of documents. investigators did not find blood in the trunk of casey's car. but what about the evidence of and the vaporized chloroform. we love hearing from you. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about it, steve rogers, detective lieutenant for the nutley, new jersey police department. also former member of the fbi joint terrorism task force. also joining us, attorney anne bremner, mark eiglarsh, and back with us again from wbdo radio in orlando, reporter marva hinton. marva's been on this since day one. marva, give us the lay of the land. what evidence was released today? >> well, there were pictures of the scene where caylee's body was found. there was a 3-d movie there. there was also a detailed list casey's car. lots and lots of trash in a bag in her trunk. as you mentioned already, there was that bombshell, as you say, about the blood, the fact that there was no blood found in her trunk, but there was the hair found there that indicated it had come from a decomposed body. there was also the air test showed decomposition. and there was a heavy concentration of vaporized chloroform found there as well. >> a lot for us to talk about. marva, thanks for setting the table for us. i wanted to bring in steve rogers. steve, let's hit on no blood in the trunk. how important is that to you as an investigator? >> well, it would have been very important if they found blood. but not that very important in this particular case, because we have, as you said, the absence of phone calls to the person she's accused of committing this act. we have trace evidence of hair fibers and decomposition of the body. so it could have been a good thing for the police, but you know what, they're doing a great job. i think we're okay with it. >> mike eiglarsh, you're a defense attorney. no blood in the trunk. is that something you can run with? >> absolutely. to the average person it doesn't mean anything. but to someone who has a dream team of experts, i'm predicting right now, mark it, mike, during the trial their experts are going to say if the body was killed in the manner that they're alleging, then there would have been blood. blood even in some type of bag would have leaked through and it would have been in the trunk. obviously, she wasn't in the trunk. that's not what i'm saying. that's what their experts are going to say. >> steve, do you concur with that? i mean, let's say she did it, casey, and put caylee in a bag, would blood leak through? >> well, i'm not too sure about that. i mean, i've been on cases where there have been, you know, bodies in places, wrapped in plastic and they haven't leaked through because of the time factor. >> no one's saying it's plastic. see, the question should have been from you, sir, what type of bag. if it's not a plastic bag, and no one's saying it's a plastic bag, then a cloth bag would have, according to the experts, they're going to say it, would have leaked through. >> you're saying, you're getting into particulars there. anne. homicide investigation where the vehicle odor of death/decomposition is present." the message says, "i did use blue star in the trunk to detect any blood which was negative." anne, we're back to the point that a decomposing body was in that car. >> absolutely. the thing in this case, blood or no blood, the fact is, this is huge. decomposing body in the car, all the evidence. justice may be blind, but she has great listening devices. think of all the things that casey anthony said and what she didn't say, not texting, et cetera. and not saying anything about her daughter at a very young age, a baby being gone for 31 days. so no blood in the car. i say it really is meaningless in this case with the overwhelming evidence. >> marva, i want to take it back. and refresh our memory, wasn't there an exchange, somewhat of a battle, casey keeping her father, george anthony, away from that very car? >> that's right. he wanted to go get something out of the car and look in, and she tried very hard to keep him out and did keep him out of the car that day. >> let's get a call in, guys. charlie is with us in texas. charlie, go ahead. >> caller: thank you. no blood being in the back of casey's car, circumstantial evidence says the baby was triple-bagged. >> mark, that gets back to your point, obviously. our caller very astute. we don't noe know. we're really speculating on little caylee being in a bag. sad to think about when we talk about the death of a 2-year-old girl. but let's get back to evidence here, guys. and george anthony himself, the father of casey, when this -- early on in this investigation was very open with investigators when they asked him, what did you see? what did you smell in that vehicle? here's george, again, talking openly to investigators. >> i got within three feet of my daughter's car, and the worst odor that you could possibly smell in this -- in this -- in this world. and i've smelled that odor before. it smelled like a decomposed body. >> let's get back to steve rogers. steve, former law enforcement saying that. he may have changed his tune afterwards, talking about it being rotting pizza. but when a former law enforcement says that right out of gate, that's pretty damning, isn't it? >> oh, it sure is. he's trying to cover his tracks, or somebody's tracks. that blood is a small piece of a big puzzle that they're putting together. >> guys, we're going to take a break. when we come back, first off we'll take more of your phone calls. 1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. we're also going to take a look at phone records from casey. how about this? no calls it a zenaida gonzalez, the person you say took your little girl? curious to say the least. call in, 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. continuing our conversation, the latest in the casey anthony case. we know in evidence, no blood found in the trunk of the car. but we do have evidence of human decomposition. traces of chloroform. we have our experts standing by. look at that cute little girl. gosh, that's heartbreaking. playing hide and seek with the sippy cup. breaks your heart to see that. traces of chloroform. what about that? ginger is with us from arkansas. ginger, go ahead. >> caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. >> yeah. >> caller: i was curious about there being no blood found in the trunk. with this child, is that really that rare? because of -- if her mother used chloroform to kill the little girl, with no manual strangulation or any kind of physical trauma to the body? would it be so, you know, i mean, would they expect to find blood still? or just from the decomposition? >> we'll ask steve rogers that. steve, if that, if chloroform is in the midst here, would you have blood? >> no. you wouldn't expect that, no. >> didn't think so. >> that's a big if. let me just say, assumes facts not in evidence. no one knows. i've been following this case with you for a long time now. we don't know how this happened. we have no idea. >> and we have speculated on the chloroform. another caller wants in on that very topic. tony in california. tony, your question? >> caller: this is from a person who doesn't know anything. but my assumption from watching this whole case is that she chloroformed the daughter because evidently she wanted to go out and party. it went wrong. the child died. and she could have manned up and got a manslaughter if she would have told the truth. but now she's going to get murder one because of all the deceit and everything else going on with it. >> tony, sounds like you know a little something there. tony with a pretty educated opinion. let's get anne bremner in on this. anne, what do we need to ferret out if that chloroform theory is really the way things went down? there were computer searches for chloroform. and at the time there was speculation that that's something, you know, somebody -- this is, again, speculation -- but somebody wanted to go out and party and they couldn't find a babysitter. they chloroformed the child to knock them out so they could go out and wolf it up a little bit. >> the facts fit in the circumstantial evidence. assumes facts not in evidence. we may hear forensically that you wouldn't expect to have blood here. and in fact this is a reckless homicide where she chloroformed her child and this went awry. basically, we have a theory that fits. the facts fit. and the forensic evidence sure seems to fit the original theory. >> guys, i want to move -- real quick. >> very quickly, tony makes a very interesting point. if they all feel it's manslaughter and both sides only want first-degree murder and don't ask for lessers, she could potentially, theoretically, walk if they all feel, you know what, it's definitely not first. it could be manslaughter, but that's not on the table. >> okay. we'll be -- anne. go ahead, anne. rebut him. go ahead. >> i was going to say, like a suicide, but the fact is you give lessers as a prosecutor, so that doesn't happen. i would assume they would do that under these facts. but you know, we'll have to see. >> what if they don't? >> what if they don't? i agree. >> i think i need a gavel. >> you do. >> a couple of things. phone records, mark, let's hit i thought for sure there would be a zenaida. this whole thing about zenaida. however her, parents are very detailed about the existence of what zanny the nanny -- maybe not zenaida fernandez gonzalez, the one who's suing her, but some other zanny the nanny. and they have very specific details as to what that person allegedly looked like. maybe they can move on proving that. but no surprise with the no calls. >> they haven't conjured that person up yet. >> one last thing that is just heartbreaking when you see there's a -- investigators bought a replica t-shirt of what little caylee, what investigators think that she was wearing when she died. it's a pink t-shirt, and it says -- there it is. "big trouble comes in small packages." it takes us back to square one. and we see the video we saw just a moment ago, a little 2-year-old with a sippy cup. that's what's at the heart of it, as many questions as we have, we always come back to that. guys, thanks so much. coming up, a horrific accident. a mother driving the wrong way kills herself, other adults, little kids. we thought we had it solved. police had said that her blood alcohol was .19. pot in her system. her husband says no way. he's never even seen her drunk. we'll break down this theory and take your calls. 1-877-tell-hln. welcome back. what a tragedy. police in new york said a woman went the wrong way on a highway, ran head-on into an suv. now eight people are dead, including that driver, diane schuler. we've heard basically she was drunk. blood alcohol .19, marijuana in her system, broken vodka bottle not the case here. she was not a drunk. joining me to talk about, as we get to the bottom of it, steve rogers, former fbi joint terrific task force. from the nutley new jersey police department. anne bremner, former prosecutor. before we go forward, let's listen to the family's attorney laying out some medical issues that could be at the root cause of this. let's listen. >> a, she was diabetic, b, she had a bump on her leg which was traveling towards her brain that might or might not have been an embolism. she did not go to doctors. and she had an abscess which was more than seven weeks old. >> okay. i've got to go to steve. steve rogers. you're an investigator. we've got toxicology saying blood alcohol .19. how do those factors fit into this, steve? what are you seeing here? >> look, obviously there was alcohol in there. that proves, had she lived, she would have been prosecuted probably for vehicular homicide. >> so you're seeing -- those medical issues would not factor into the blood alcohol reading the toxicology came with, right? >> absolutely. >> anne, let's delve into the different details. investigators say nine people talked to diane schuler as she left the campground before the drive. no one smelled alcohol, pot, nothing. what do we do with that? >> the fact of the matter is, it's vodka, and you don't smell it as much, and it's a favorite of alcoholics who want to be stealth. the second thing is you hear she doesn't have a history. we don't know. it's not like she's on skid row. she's a stealth drinker, potentially. but finally there, was intervening time. and circumstantial evidence, of course-p the evidence, the vodka bottle in the car and the forensics. it's alcohol, it's marijuana. a bump coming up her leg going toward her brain? the fact that diabetes resulting in these test results? i've seen this in my cases, they say i wasn't drunk, it was ethyl alcohol at scene, you know, it's something like diabetes. it isn't true. she was drunk. it's a tragedy. and i think, one more thing, they do a disservice in this press conference by saying it's something else when it is what it is and it's a tragedy. drinking and driving, drugs and driving kills. >> okay. well, let's hear her husband. this is daniel schuler, again, stating his case that he doesn't believe his wife was a drunk, never saw her drunk. let's give it a listen. >> i go to bed every night knowing, and listen to this, i go to bed every night knowing my heart is clear. she did not drink. she's not an alcoholic. listen to all that? she is not an alcoholic. my heart is resting every night when i go to bed. something medically had to have happened. >> again, medically. i believe the lawyer, the family lawyer also speculated it could have been a stroke. anne, what are you seeing here, just a family in denial? >> absolutely. the thing about it, could have been a stroke, would have, could have, should have. the more they explain it, the less i understand it. it is what it is, don't make excuses. the fact is, lives are lives. very young lives. they're never see their futures. it's simply because of something that she did. and it has to be looked at right now as what it is. no excuses. no excuses for anybody that does this. but this case, horrific. >> mike, can i add one thing? >> yeah, go ahead. >> in the course of my career, i've seen so many people like this, family members in denial. and as anne just said, it is what it is. it's sad. >> it is sad. you know, let's say, this is a husband who's lost a daughter and his wife. so for him to say this, i mean, that's not -- as you're talking about, steve, that's not out of the ordinary. i want to welcome in dr. william marrone, toxicologist, medical examiner. doctor, i'm not sure how much of ow conversation you've heard, but we know blood alcohol on this woman .19. pot found in her system. also, more alcohol. it hadn't even been metabolized yet. yet we've got a lawyer saying tooth abscess, diabetes, lump on her leg that was traveling in her system. is there any way those factors factor into this? >> everything comes down to this. the amount of alcohol and the amount of cannabis was positive together. and they make each of them more potent for having poor reaction time and making poor judgments. these are not the kind of things you want to have, even if you're healthy. >> okay. guys, let's take a quick break on this, and we'll take some of your calls. folks out there have any thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. so more on that coming up. also this story. and this one's going to get you. we have the nurse of the year in connecticut. 2008 nurse of the year. there she is, nurse betty. treated patients, gave injections, gave medical advice. that's wonderful. we appreciate your service. bad thing is, she's not even a nurse. somebody was getting some painful injections and said, hey, wait a minute, something's up here. thankfully, she was caught. welcome back to "prime news." we're going to meet the nurse of the year. who really wasn't a nurse. oh, yeah, she treated patients in a doctor's office, gave injections, pills, medical advice. charges, and years behind bars. we'll hit that one and take your calls on that at 1-877-tell-hln. first this, though. we continue to follow it. disturbing new details on george sodini, the sick man who killed three women at a gym outside pittsburgh. wounded nine others before shooting himself. we know one of the possible motives, he hated women. yet here he is videotaped at a dating seminar in l.a. three days, eight hours a day seminar. the guy you saw there briefly, that's the author, art don steele, who does most the talking there. there you see, that's the back of the head, that's george sodini interacting with these young girls who are models, actresses. the goal in all this, to try and help a guy like george sodini find out how women tick. that's what we have here. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. and joining us now, abbi taten, internet reporter for our sister network, cnn. and abbi, you had a chance to speak with one of the women who actually interacted with george sodini? what did she say about that? >> that's right. this is erin micklow. she's one of the women who was working this dating seminar in l.a. last year. first things first, she really remembered george sodini, but she was at pains to say not because he was mean, not because he stood out in a bad way, but that he was there for self-improvement. she said he was very, very quiet, very studious. the most studious man in the room of about 20 men attending this dating seminar. she said he took copious notes all the way through. she said he was very nervous as well. she pointed out that wasn't abnormal. a lot of the men in the room were there because they were nervous around women. they wanted to learn how to interact with women. but she said other men loosened up over the three days that she was there and sodini just never did. >> so he remained nervous, on edge around the actresses the whole time. can you tell us anything else about the seminar? did i describe it correctly there, three days, eight hours a day? >> a number of things stand out about it. george sodini was in pittsburgh. so this is something he clearly wanted to spend time and money youtube videos that he made himself, that he made as kind of homework for the seminar. he uploaded them to youtube. one of them is like a self-guided tour around his house. he's saying things like, look at my house, i think it's nice. i think women would like this. that was made as a homework exercise for that seminar. so the woman who looked at it could go online and comment on what they saw. give him some pointers on how to make his house nicer for women. at some point he was really trying to do this. but this was all, you know, a little while ago, a year, year and a half ago, something happened after that. >> okay. so since you mentioned it, abbi, i believe we have that clip. this is, again, george sodini, kind of, as abbi said, giving us a tour of his house. as he's talking, he's hoping it's going to impress a woman someday. let's listen. >> two-inch. my computer. let me pan out a little bit. computer is connected to the stereo, which i listen to my mp3s and everything else. pan to the other side, speakers on each side are large. they double as end tables. okay, couch and chair. they match. the woman will really be impressed. come over here. there's some reading material that we're all familiar with. come out here through the dining room. i just bought this. >> quick note, the reading material he's talking about, there's a book by the guy that we saw conducting the seminar, don steele who wrote a book about older men trying to date younger women. abbi, do we know anything about the time line? in other words, had he concocted this death mission prior to going to this seminar? or do we know? >> this is what we know. the seminar in los angeles, early part of 2008. that youtube video was made a couple of weeks afterwards. like i said, the homework assignment. a couple of months after that, around june, he put up another youtube video that shows he was so that takes us up to the summer. but then you have these disturbing online diaries that we've seen at this point. they started in november of last year. and they already started talking in november of last year about all his plans for this attack. so it seems that something was going on. something was progressing throughout 2008. perhaps that he got more frustrated that it wasn't working. >> exactly. let's pick up on that point with stacey kaiser, our psychotherapist. stacey, it just seems like his whole world was wrapped around whether or not he could get a girl again. and if not, we know the end result. is that what you're seeing here? >> that is what i'm seeing. he clearly did not have relationships with his family is what i'm reading. he didn't have a lot of friends. he was really socially isolated. so i think this was his sort of master plan, if he could find a partner, then he could be happy. and that just didn't seem to happen. >> does it make sense to you, abbi, that a guy that had this in the back of his head at some point would go to this self-help seminar to try and learn how to date, younger women, i think specifically there in that case? >> yeah, it seemed he had two forces going on. at one point he's making this monologue video, this is what i'm going to do to improve myself. at the same time he writes a few months later back in the summer i was already thinking about this. well, that was the same time he was making this youtube video. so there's something very confused, something disturbingly wrong about what he was writing and producing at this time. >> exactly. we have to leave it there. abbi, stacy, we appreciate it. coming up, we want to hear from you on this one. it's frightening, let's face it. somewhat humorous. nurse of the year, who's not really a nurse at all. but she's administering medications and giving advice to patients in need. don't we have background checks anymore? so many times we have some rough stories. today, one that's going to remind you, there's a lot of positive in the world. centers around a program that lives by the motto neighbors helping neighbors. here's "prime news" correspondent richelle carey with our weekly "what matters" segment. >> it's a hand up instead of a handout. a program in atlanta is giving homeless men and women a second chance. samaritan house helps people with a home-cooked meal, a warm smile, and the skills to help them move back into the workforce. tony harris from our sister network cnn recently paid a visit to see how many people are going from poor to pruvg. >> reporter: ernest butler is a hurricane katrina evacuee. he came to atlanta with no job, no possessions, and no family. but because of samaritan house he was able to find a home and help at cafe 458. >> cafe 458 is a special place. it's where we help men and women who are unable to work because of disabilities. we offer a great meal that's cooked in a restaurant environment, unlike a soup kitchen. >> what has this place meant to you? >> it's meant a great deal to me, man. they accepted me when i walked through that door. i walked through the door with some shorts on, a striped shirt. and i wore those clothes five days without a bath. and i ate in the same dining area. and they accepted me every day just that day. and after that i started slowly pulling myself together. >> reporter: cafe 458 is just one of the programs samaritan house uses to help the homeless transition back into the work force. while the cafe satisfies their hunger, the edge program nurtures their job search with a computer lab, clothing, storage for their belongings, showers, and laundry facilities. in the meantime, there's the clean street team, which provides samaritan house clients with temporary janitorial jobs, until they can find full-time work. >> samaritan house often is a chance to get back into the world. >> reporter: 2 1/2 years ago richard taylor was homeless and living under a bridge. and now taylor is a clean street team leader, managing five other workers. >> they gave me some responsibilities. and i'm just thankful for this place. this place helped save my life. >> if people watching spend some real time with homeless people, what would they say? >> they would see that persons that are homeless are no different than they are. the fact is, they're homeless because of a situation. but it's only a temporary situation if we're able to make a difference. >> cafe 458 also has a sunday brunch open to the public. the proceeds support the programs at samaritan house. for more information visit their website at www.samhouse.org. and for more of "what matters" check out the august issue of "essence" magazine or log on to cnn.com/whatmatters. >> all right, richelle, thanks for that. we feel good about that. not so much about this. how about a nurse who threw her own self a party as nurse of the year? well, she's not a nurse at all. she's giving poor people out there who need help advice, pills, injections? i mean, come on, that scares the you-know-what out of all of us. welcome back. meet nurse betty, nurse of the year 2008. we appreciate her service, don't we? not so much. she's not even a nurse. here she is, betty lichtenstein. police in norwalk, connecticut say she worked as an rn, gave people injections, medicine, medical advice. but cops say she's a poser. never been licensed. police say she also paid more than $2,000 of her own money for a dinner honoring herself as a nurse of the year, hosted by the connecticut nursing association. which doesn't even exist. by the way, we did call the doctor's office that she worked for. they're not commenting. take your calls on this. we want to hear from you. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. unbelievable story. joining us to talk about it, len besthof, a reporter for "prime news" affiliate wfsb. also with us, anne bremner, defense attorney, former prosecutor. all right. len, help us out here. first off, how long was she a nurse? working, what, at a pain and neurology center, is that right? >> that's right. it was the pain and neurology center for dr. gerald weiss in norwalk, connecticut, on east avenue. and she was there for about two years before this whole thing started to unravel. >> two years? did anybody get injured? did anybody get hurt because of -- come on, she didn't even know what she was doing. >> yeah, it was something like that, mike. basically, what happened was that there were a number of patients who said that the injections she was giving were very painful. supposedly when you use that needle, you're supposed to do it very slowly, and she was doing it very quickly. and someone eventually made a complaint in march of this year to the department of health here in connecticut, and that's sort of what got the ball rolling. >> okay. we get a heads-up in march. when is she finally arrested then? >> she -- >> go ahead, len s&p. >> she was arrested in may on a different charge, actually, for forging a prescription. she was trying to get oxy koedown. she was arrested in this most recent case in the last few days. >> do we have dr. marrone with us? >> how are you doing? >> good to have you back, doctor. okay. once you kind of get a heads-up in march, aren't there background checks? let's backtrack to the beginning when she was hired two years ago. don't we do background checks on our registered nurses? >> here's what you really want to do. as a doctor, you look at nurses as your partners. and if you hire another doctor, you're going to look for a copy of a diploma, a copy of a license, a copy of special training, and then you can go to the state website and verify that they have a license at the board of licensure for the specific state. and other things, too, you ask them to do a drug test and physical. >> anne, how much trouble is this lady in? >> oh, she's in a world of hurt. think about usually it's just the nursing boards that regulate nurses. but she's not a nurse. so you're looking into all the criminal laws. and you're looking at forgery, felony, impersonation. >> yeah. we chuckle, but let's -- >> it's horrible. >> imagine being someone who is in need or in pain and this is the lady who is administering your injections there. let's get back to our reporter, len. so what finally precipitated the arrest, len? >> well, basically this person complained, and the state gave her a cease and desist order. and the state's attorney's office began to investigate this and investigated all these claims that she had said she was nurse of the year and actually threw this huge banquet for herself, paid for it herself. and that's when they decide thed needed to cuff her. >> how about that, len? we're -- hopefully, we'll get our psychotherapist in on this. she actually throws herself a party as nurse of the year and gets an award from a non-existent organization. is that all right, len? that's the correct facts here, right? >> that is all correct. in fact, we were at the inn today. fine dining restaurant, also an inn, also a banquet they showed us the receipts, and it's all there in black and it says connecticut nursing there's even her check. we got a copy of her check that she paid for the whole thing. >> and her boss was, what, the guest speaker? and he at that point had no idea that this was a sham? >> that's what he has told police, and that's what they're saying in this affidavit. >> wow. okay. much more on this coming up after the break. more on our nurse of the year. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. now this, though. with the nation's highest murder rate and one of the highest crime rates, new orleans still a city struggling after hurricane katrina. and the violence is sweeping up children as well. two murders this year involved kids who were just 14. here's a look at how this week's cnn hero is using music to motivate kids. >> announcer: this is "cnn hearos." >> music's just always been with me. i love to play. i keep drumsticks in my hand. the musical legacy in new orleans is really dying fast. life after katrina is really hard for kids. they have violence, the drug life. i'm just tired of it. life, it help get kids off the streets. >> i started the music education program for the kids in new orleans. we do more than just teach music. we offer transportation and instruments, i feed you, tutoring. there is no excuse why you are not here. you don't need experience, we me meet five days a week year round. >> always getting in trouble, now, i practice, when i'm at home i practice. it changed my life. >> i love seeing kids happy and having fun. ♪ [ applause ] >> teaching these kids is culture. i've saving lives, i'm giving life. a whole gidifferent life of mus. >> and you can find out more about derek and our other heros onlin online. cn cnn.com. we have the phone calls lined up. what are your feelings about this? we look to our nurses for help. we don't want to be part of their sham nurse of the year.